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This message is from: "Bob Stahr of THS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is this the Meat and Europe LISTSERV? Time to lighten up! :-) How to identify if your cow has MADCOW disease... http://www.horsemanshipschool.com/madcow/MadcowID.rtf
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/18/01 1:37:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > For many Alaskans that yearly moose and caribou are essential, as well as > the salmon and halibut. I buy buffalo (bison) when it is occasionally in > the stores here, some local beef raised here without hormones, etc. is sold > at the farmer's market. I sure would like to get some moose meat or > caribou this year! > You got a point. I just read that even though we don't give cattle by-products to cattle... mostly sometimes some cow by products DO show up in the feed. I buy the buffalo stuff when it's available at Fred Myer (good stuff) and try to get out to the health food store often. Have to be careful with fish, cause of mercury, which is another possible source of autism. And I will probably get my son tested for mercury poisoning soon. If we try to chelate his body, it wouldn't do to pack more mercury in. Think I'll go out and buy a book I used to have, but lost. It's called "5 Acres and Independence". It's all about how you can be self sufficient with only 5 acres. We've got 5 acres, but with 4 fjord horses, I think we'll only be semi-independent cause they love that pasture! Pamela
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This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >think of what we do to/for our horses on a daily basis. Fly spray, daily >wormers, etc. Yeah, but think of all the hormones and chemicals cattle are treated with...hormone pellets to make them grow, estrogens, etc., and insect sprays, dips, also Ivomec is used for cattle, so what do we do? For many Alaskans that yearly moose and caribou are essential, as well as the salmon and halibut. I buy buffalo (bison) when it is occasionally in the stores here, some local beef raised here without hormones, etc. is sold at the farmer's market. I sure would like to get some moose meat or caribou this year! Jean in Fairbanks, ALaska, sunny and still in the midst of spring breakup--but much of the snow is gone! Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks Anneli for the info re horse meat. I am concerned that as beef becomes scarce and leather also, the horse will suffer most. It brings back horse stealing when the meat prices go up. Someone saw a furtive acting driver in an old green truck with old trailer attached in front of my place one early morning. When my neighbor approached the truck it sped off. I have a sign on my fence saying "These horses have been branded and micro-chipped" I think I will add "these are old horses and good only for soap." Now I hope the price of soap does not go up Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/18/01 8:19:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Horse meat is selling for about $1.00 a pound at this time and is > expected to rise much higher. The meat is mostly going to France. The > kill buyers were buying horses at this auction for roughly $0.60 to > $0.80 per pound. They're probably making a tidy profit per horse, > especially since they can buy horses in reasonably good condition that > don't need a lot of feeding before slaughter. The prices the kill buyers > are currently paying are comparable to what many people pay for a > First, my congratulations and respect at buying a horse doomed to slaughter. I hope you and her have a long happy life together. Second, about horses going for slaughter and being sent to France as food animals. I shudder to think of them eating our horses on so many different levels. First, horses are our friends, companions. But beyond that.. think of what we do to/for our horses on a daily basis. Fly spray, daily wormers, etc. These products ALL have disclaimers saying "This Product Is Not To Be Used On An Animal Used For Human Consumption". How many of the animals going to France have these chemicals in them? And people are oblivously eating animals who have been treated as NOT used for human consumption. Can't be a good thing! Pamela
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, okay, I confess. I bought another horse this past weekend. And not a Fjord. We went to the local auction Saturday night. My first mistake was going to the "loose horse" section of the auction barn (translation: the kill horse section) and seeing a nice looking draft mare there. My bigger mistake was slipping into the pen and making friends with her. She's smallish for a draft -- maybe in the 15 hands range -- middle aged, bay roan with grizzled gray mane, black/white tail like a Fjord's, and dark points (ear tips, legs, muzzle) very like a Fjord. Nice feet with lots of dark feather. Clean-healing abrasions on her face from a halter left on far too long. Quiet, mannerly, but a little shy. Almost looks like a Brabant (European Belgian). I couldn't stand the thought of seeing her go to the kill buyers, so we bought her for $700 US (I estimate we paid about $0.60 per pound, if you want to look at it that way). Draft horses don't have much of a chance at this auction -- nobody (well, almost nobody!) wants one, so the kill buyers tend to buy them. I've seen some absolutely lovely, young Percherons and Belgians sold for meat that should be at a good home instead. Well, I can't save 'em all -- probably shouldn't have saved even one, but ... the object of my foolish, soft heart is now standing in my pasture quietly waiting for her next meal. I'm keeping her isolated from my other horses until the vet can check her out. Horse meat is selling for about $1.00 a pound at this time and is expected to rise much higher. The meat is mostly going to France. The kill buyers were buying horses at this auction for roughly $0.60 to $0.80 per pound. They're probably making a tidy profit per horse, especially since they can buy horses in reasonably good condition that don't need a lot of feeding before slaughter. The prices the kill buyers are currently paying are comparable to what many people pay for a reasonable riding horse at this particular auction. DeeAnna <- who needs another horse like she needs another hole in the head!
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This message is from: carol j makosky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Lamb! Ugh! Can't stand the smell or fat of it. Lamb Yum Yum Yum We are dying for a good leg of lamb and can't remember when we had it last. I want to get a feeder and raise to butcher, but husband says no. May do it anyway. I can always tell him I found it along the road as a stray. LOL -- "Built FJORD tough" Carol M. On Golden Pond Northern Wisconsin
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Lamb! Ugh! Can't stand the smell or fat of it.
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This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean wrote: >>What are the historical reasons for not eating horses?>> In pre-christian Scandinavia, horse meat was sacred and eaten as part of the sacrificial/ritual meals. The body of a horse was eaten and the skin, limps, head and tail was put on a pole or thrown into a lake, fen etc as a sacrifice to the gods. In later Iron Age the ritual meal was eaten inside the large hall of the king or chieftain. Horse meat was THE meat for these meals. Therefore the church decided that horse meat should not be eaten. It was to connected to pagan cult. The exception is Iceland, where christianity was accepted only under some conditions. One of them was that people should be allowed to continue to eat horsemeat. >>Interesting that you eat sheep one of the very source of "mad cow disease!">> We don't have "mad cow disease" in Scandinavia, so we have no problem eating sheep or cows for the matter. But people have become more careful concerning the origin of the meat and prefer meat from native animals. We have a law that all meat sold in the shops must be marked with the native country of the animal. Therefore, people who wants to eat nothing but Swedish meat can do so. I myself prefer sheep to other kind of meat, because sheep live a decent life. There has been a lot of discussions concerning the treatment of animals. I try to eat as much sheep as possible. I would have no problem eating horse meat neither, but it's not easy to find here. You can't but horse meat in the shops. They make sausage and dog/cat food from it. Regards Anneli P.S. You can always found out what sausages that are made from horse meat, so it's easy to avoid if you want to. It has to be written on the wrapping. D.S. * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Annelli. What are the historical reasons for not eating horses? Interesting that you eat sheep one of the very source of "mad cow disease!" We have some herds of sheep here that have been allowed even though it is known that they carry the disease. Now, supposedly, they are being destroyed. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
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This message is from: "Anneli Sundkvist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Catherine wrote: >>I just finished reading an article. It stated that the demand for horse meat >>is on the rise in Europe, due to "mad cow" and "H&M". I think I will stay to >>the FISH when in Norway. (lol)>> You don't have to worry about Scandinavian meat. There are no mad cows here and no foot & mouth neither. The rules about what to feed to animals has been much harder in Sweden and Norway than in the European Union for many years. The mad cow-disease is belived to be linked to ingredients in cattle fodder that has been forbidden in Sweden (we didn't become member of the EU until a few years ago) for years and years. I belive there's a similar case in Norway. Concerning foot & mouth: my husband works in Oslo now and then and he came back two weeks ago. He said that there were really strict at the border (normally you don't notice when leaving one country for entering the other) and were actually searching trains, cars etc. Anyway, you can always eat SHEEP. That could never been mistaken for horsemeat!;o) In Scandinavia we're scared to death for eating horses due to historical reasons, so I guess there will take TIME and many mad cows before people actually start asking for horsemeat here. Anneli * Anneli Sundkvist Department of Archaeology & Ancient History Uppsala University St. Eriks Torg 5 S-753 10 Uppsala Sweden Phone: +46-18-4712082
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 4/15/01 10:09:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Hello Everyone! > I just finished reading an article. It stated that the demand for horse > meat is on the rise in Europe, due to "mad cow" and "H&M". > Yes. There was a big article in the Wall Street Journal a couple of weeks ago about slaughter house horses in America. Prices are going up due to demand. So people who would sell their horses that don't fit their families anymore, who would raise the price of the horse to a couple of hundred above what meat buyers would pay, better raise their prices too! Pamela
