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This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Update on Fair Hill Spent today at Fair Hill, grooming trails and staining/urethaning hazards. Saw NO 'gators, but by the looks of the water hazard, there could be a couple of Loch Ness monsters in there and no-one would see them before they grabbed a horse. Should be safe from wild animals if nothing else. I didn't notice if the 'fox den' was set up this year as a hazard. Maybe there will be problems with the animals. Martie, LOL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/15/99 19:10:42 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And no I didn't know that gators meant navigators. I hear the term navigator all the time at the CDEs but didn't really understand that a 'gator was a 'navigator' and not a 'aligator'. Sigh and here all this time, I've been thinking it was alligators! Which are not a laughing matter, mind you. One of my friends lives in Florida and tells me gator stories. shudder, shiver, shake. Kinda glad I'm in the Northwest. No rattlers, gators or tarantulas! Pamela Thinking about the local mountain lions
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This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] how about gladitator or instigator? denise
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am reminded of the game of whispering to your next neighbor at the table and then they whisper etc. and the end result is nothing like the beginning. When I said gator it was the Floridian term for alligator!!! Surprise!! I love the quipping that goes on here, gives one a lift.Jean Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 15, 1999 7:52 PM Subject: Re: Trace clipping This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/15/99 19:10:42 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And no I didn't know that gators meant navigators. I hear the term navigator all the time at the CDEs but didn't really understand that a 'gator was a 'navigator' and not a 'aligator'. Sigh and here all this time, I've been thinking it was alligators! Which are not a laughing matter, mind you. One of my friends lives in Florida and tells me gator stories. shudder, shiver, shake. Kinda glad I'm in the Northwest. No rattlers, gators or tarantulas! Pamela Thinking about the local mountain lions
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/15/99 19:10:42 Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And no I didn't know that gators meant navigators. I hear the term navigator all the time at the CDEs but didn't really understand that a 'gator was a 'navigator' and not a 'aligator'. Sigh and here all this time, I've been thinking it was alligators! Which are not a laughing matter, mind you. One of my friends lives in Florida and tells me gator stories. shudder, shiver, shake. Kinda glad I'm in the Northwest. No rattlers, gators or tarantulas! Pamela Thinking about the local mountain lions
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This message is from: Denise Delgado [EMAIL PROTECTED] i have seen coyotes doing lots of things, but never riding. perhaps they howl and yip at sundown to gather up their night ponies and take a ride when the humans are'nt out!!! i was afraid to comment myself till i saw all the others. i did'nt want to take the chance after my last lesson from the list. i hope the original author takes all of this as jest, not a grammar lesson. i trace clipped quinn the other day after all the talk of clipping. he loves it, but did'nt do any acrobatics as misha described, darn!!! that sounds like fun!!! he is recently from canada and looks like a shaggy buffalo, (north american fjord that he is), sans the little pig eyes. next year i am going to add spirls and racing flames. maybe that will make him speed up. though when he lopes, he has a rocking chair feel, like waves. i'm waiting for my husband to fix the trailer plug. i think i ran over it. i hope he hurries, as there is a team penning tonight and i would like to introduce quinny to steers and lots or people, dogs and other horses. we won't be doing any penning till he feels comfortable about the ruckus. i learned a lesson from the knutemeister in turlock. gotta eat dinner, denise in mokelumne hill, calif. cooler and breezy, still sunny. i wish fall would get here!!!
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This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] He he he, Me riding, coyote walking or stalking or whatever coyotes do. Although the buzzards were riding one day. On my horse! With me! And the horse was NOT a happy camper. Of course, neither was the confused buzzard whose meal we had disturbed. Boy are they BIG birds! And no I didn't know that gators meant navigators. I hear the term navigator all the time at the CDEs but didn't really understand that a 'gator was a 'navigator' and not a 'aligator'. So you learn something new everyday. LOL Martie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John and Martie Bolinski wrote: We have coyotes but have never seen one riding. Boy, I hope you never do see one riding 'cause then they could keep up with your horse. [:o)
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] John and Martie Bolinski wrote: We have coyotes but have never seen one riding. Boy, I hope you never do see one riding 'cause then they could keep up with your horse. [:o)
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This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jean,
No gators, but at least no bears or moose either. Just the average
run-of-the-mill
killer buzards (drive my horses cuckoo) and guinea hens ('feral' vs wild?) plus
dogs,
bikes, and so on. We have coyotes but have never seen one riding. Wild
turkeys
spooked us a couple times and the usual deer.
But no gators,
Martie
Jean Gayle wrote:
This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Martie I must have seen a Florida address tucked into your response. I too
have never heard of gators in Maryland!
Jean Gayle
Aberdeen, WA
[Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter
Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ]
http://www.techline.com/~jgayle
Barnes Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martie I must have seen a Florida address tucked into your response. I too have never heard of gators in Maryland! Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jean, Alligators? I live in MD. We get some pretty big snakes but the only other reptiles I know of would be the occassional run-away-from-home lizard. Have ridden in Mexico where we had to watch for and avoid aligators. The horse I rode had been bitten by one as a foal. Martie Jean Gayle wrote: This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martie, do you ever have to worry about alligators and horses?? Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: Jean Gayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martie, do you ever have to worry about alligators and horses?? Jean Gayle Aberdeen, WA [Authoress of The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 TO 1949 ] http://www.techline.com/~jgayle Barnes Noble Book Stores
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martie, I would clip him before the CDE, but maybe not until about 2 weeks prior. Marnix gets an entire body clip, again, I clipped him before Gladstone, but even with a blanket he's grown too much coat to do a marathon. He will remain blanketed thru-out the winter until I go south and then he'll get clipped again. Boots Wright used to wear a black velvet hard hat in cones and dressage phases. She added some black tulle to the hat and some red ribbon. It actualy looked quite attractive. Like somethinbg out of the hunt field from days gone bye. The tulle obscured the harsh lines of the hat and the red ribbon brought the color scheme of the turn-out together. Good Luck in your debut. I'll be looking for you at Fair Hill. How does the place look after Floyd went thru? Vivian C
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This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marsha, And boy do I need a confidence boost! Ran the dressage test today; enter ring zigzag to X; halt at 45 degree angle and salute. Kilar takes a dump. Trot on. Circle right no problem. Circle left half circle plus another zigzag. This is a test we were doing Ok three weeks ago! And I know he can do it. Oh well. I'll get the clippers out tomorrow morning and get started. He'll be an attention getter no matter what I do. At least he'll be comfortable. He is just such a ham! Marsha Jo Hannah wrote: Think of this as a learning experience. You're learning how to clip. You're learning how to do CDEs. My guess is that you'll make enough other (normal-for-beginners) mistakes that a fraction of a point for pretty isn't going to change your placing! Go with what makes you and your horse comfortable. IMHO, the added confidence is likely to improve your performance! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Marty, go for it and clip. Kilar will be ever so grateful - and hey, they don't call it a 'trace clip' for nothing... And my vote is with the hard hat. If it feels right, and safe, JUST DO IT! Good luck, good night and happy driving,Karen (-So says a woman with 5 driving hats, one ea. western straw and felt, and a velvet hunt cap tht's not legal, and one that is.A real fashion victim!) __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to clip him again but plan to show him (our 1st show) in November. [...] I don't do a really beartiful job and I'm afraid he will look 'strange'. The show is a CD, not a pleasure show [...] I had planned on wearing a hard hat rather than a nice dressy hat for this show. I understand that this is acceptable, but my instructor thinks I should dress up. [...] We will only be doing dressage and cones. In Combined Driving, pretty is far less important than clean and safe. Yes, if you get a picky judge, you might lose a fraction of a point in Presentation for a really bad clip job or a really ugly helmet. However, at some events (the ones with marathons), you can get eliminated for having a horse that's overly stressed, i.e. doesn't get his pulse and heart rate down properly at the rest stop, or the end of the marathon. Think of this as a learning experience. You're learning how to clip. You're learning how to do CDEs. My guess is that you'll make enough other (normal-for-beginners) mistakes that a fraction of a point for pretty isn't going to change your placing! Go with what makes you and your horse comfortable. IMHO, the added confidence is likely to improve your performance! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 30 mi SSE of San Francisco, Calif. ---
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Martie, I compete my Fjord a lot in dressage and to me, it is imperative that they are clipped otherwise they suffer by overheating. I live in a warm climate(CA) and I often do a full body clip twice a year. I clipped my competition horse at least a week before the show because even clipping a horse can create some stress because of the difference in body cooling. I clipped him in Oct. and I am sure he will need it again in January. I think Fjords look beautiful with a full body clip...just like a summer coat. And I do sheet or blanket him when his clipped. So clip away! Elaine Olsen
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This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 02:46 PM 10/11/99 -0400, you wrote: Also, I had planned on wearing a hard hat rather than a nice dressy hat for this show. I understand that this is acceptable, but my instructor thinks I should dress up. I always work Kilar with the hard hat. Since this will be our first show, I would be more comfortable wearing the hard hat. Thoughts on this? We will only be doing dressage and cones. If you are more comfortable with the hard hat by all means wear it!!!
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This message is from: Mary Thurman [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Since moving to the more temperate climate here in Oregon, I have found it necessary to trace a couple of our heavier coated Fjords. Some time later, one of our clients, Becky Crosbie, purchased Lars, out of Mary Thurman's white mare, Line. He is another one who grows way too much hair for this climate. He comes by his long coat naturally!! Line grows way too much coat every year, but solves it much the way Molde does - she starts to shed around mid-December, and sheds steadily all winter long(although not in bunches). Don't even own a pair of clippers, but maybe I can borrow a pair and get someone to help me clip her this winter if she doesn't need all that coat. Will wait to see what winter has in store for us this year, though. Mary = Mary Thurman Raintree Farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com
Re: Trace clipping and Athletic Fjords
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:57 AM 10/8/99 -0800, you wrote: This message is from: misha nogha [EMAIL PROTECTED] I like Carol Rivoires idea of putting some of the super athletes on the NFHR page. Whaddya say Mike? I think we should use NA horses as these guys are the ones we are most likely to see around. We have to include geldings too or we would miss out on Wez. I don't have a problem with that at all. All I need is the pictures. I do have one of Laurie's sliding stop pictures of Dusty on the site. One of the pages I love to send people to, other than Laurie Pittman's photo page, is Mike May's personal page with Malla flying over that log jump! What a horse! Not to mention the great rider. I guess I should put that one on the NFHR site too. It is a cool picture. The resolution of it isn't great because it was taken at quite a distance and blown up during the scanning of it. Mike
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anne, You gave a really good explanation of clipping! I did want to add a couple of things. I always try to clip as clean a horse as I can muster, weather permitting. Dirt is THE enemy of clipper blades. I use the big (Oster?) variable speed clippers for the bulk of the job, and switch to the regular Clipmaster clippers for the finish work.Learn how to properly adjust the blade tension, and this will also help extend the life of your blades. It really helps to have a helper, as when I get into the folds of skin behind the forearms, it sure makes life easy if someone can hold up and extend the leg out. (Also when I am getting a bunch ready for a show , and I have to almost sculpt under the jawline,I have someone hold their head up, as a fjord has a pretty heavy head when you are trying to get eveything just right and support their head at the same time!) If you can have extra sharp blades on hand, to switch out to, this really helps. I try to clip at least a full week before a show in order to disappearthose clipper tracks. To clean up some of the clipper tracks that are really tough to get out, and if you are afraid of taking too much off with your other clippers to remedy it, try using a disposable razor. It sometimes does the trick. Lastly, something that is pretty obvious, never clip a horse that is tied hard and fast. On a regular maintenance basis I really don't clip more than the goat hairs and bridle path, but have done allot of trace clips, and only a couple of full body clips on the ultra hairy ones before a fall show - and yes, I blanketed the body clipped ones until their hair came back, which was amazingly soon! Nite all, Karen __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Misha asked how to get a clip to look smooth.. I am no expert here but the theory is to follow the direction of hair growth as closely as possible with the clippers. This might mean curving them around as you move along. Long even slow paths with the direction of growth often work to give even cut. If you go across the direction of growth you will get clipperb blade marks, if you lean too heavy on one side of the clippers you will get the long line marks between runs...I am sure anyone who has clipped knows all about those lines!! ANy way it is a real art that I cannot say I have totolly mastered to get a completely smooth, line free clip job, especially on these beasts with their arctic coats. It is a different experience on Thoroughbreds or thinner coated breeds... I try to clip in the fall when there is still going to be a little growth of winter coat left so that hopefully those lines will grow out and fade away.. Other wise you are stuck with them for the season. Happy clipping. Anne A.
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This message is from: Karen McCarthy [EMAIL PROTECTED] You don't tape the whole horse, silly! You can re-site the tape to get it even, and it also provides a good edge, or guide, for the clippers, sort of a template. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello out there, I am currently riding two fjords year round here in the Pacific Northwest, Wez and Misha. I clip both of them for the same reasons that others have stated ie they get hot and wet from work and then stand around and risk getting chilled. Once clipped I am 100% obligated to provide them the warmth and dryness that their coat would otherwise provide. Different blankets fit different horses but I like ones that have a nylon interior and a good comfortable fit to avoid chafing. I also look for materials that dry well on the horse to avoid fungus growth from damp material against the skin. We in this wet climate have to worry about that. Rambo rigs work well if they fit your horse (Wez always got his legs caught up in the straps). Get a weight appropriate to your climate so they are not too hot on a typical day. Wez already got a complete body clip in Sept. in preparation for the Championships and has now grown another almost complete coat. He and Misha will get a reverse blanket clip at the end of the month. Keep those blades sharp for those thick coats!! Anne A.
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This message is from: John and Martie Bolinski [EMAIL PROTECTED] re: trace clipping and tape We draw the clip line on Kilar with those washable pens before we clip. This works pretty well as you can get an idea where to clip and how it will look. The thought of taping the whole horse is a little daunting. Martie
