Re: Very Sore front feet
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jill E. Fishinger CPA P.C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been paying very close attention to this discussion on founder. Our fjords are about 1 year old and getting quite chubby. While they are growing is founder possible or likely? Should they be rationed or are they too young? Many years ago, my first equine, a young donkey, foundered. The vet shook her head, and said that she wouldn't have believed that it was possible to founder a growing 2-year-old on coastal California's dryland pasture in August, but Shadow managed. Part of the problem was that I had let her get a bit overweight during the winter, then she porked up even more when the grass got good in the spring. My experiences indicate that the Fjord metabolism reacts similarly to that of a donkey. I've read that equines that are overweight in their first year or two of life are at much higher risk for joint disorders. Carrying too much weight on growing bones/joints just isn't good for them. And, I can attest that it's much easier to put weight onto a slim Fjord than it is to take it off of a chubby one. IMHO, your yearlings probably ought not be chubby, so, yes, rationing is a good idea. Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re: Very Sore front feet
This message is from: Jill E. Fishinger CPA P.C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, I have been paying very close attention to this discussion on founder. Our fjords are about 1 year old and getting quite chubby. While they are growing is founder possible or likely? Should they be rationed or are they too young? Anxious Mommy In Alma, Colorado Jill E. - Original Message - From: Nancy Blauers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Very Sore front feet This message is from: Nancy Blauers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone!I've been lurking for a spell and when I saw the notes on the potential founder I had to write! Please take this very seriously! My QH gelding had almost identical situation about three weeks before he really foundered. He was very ouchy on his front feet one morning, my trainer called the vet, who ruled out founder.We gave Sam a week off from training. This was about 3 weeks before he really was in trouble, during this time he seemed ok, so we started light work again. Sam then broke out in hives, then had a really bad upper respiratory incident at a show. The following weekend, my trainer found him lying down in his paddock late in the afternoon and could not get him to stand. She pulled her trailer up close to him, managed to get him up just enough to get him in and then hauled him to the closest Equine Hospital. He was given antibiotics DMSO intravenous. After the intitial onset of laminitis, which occured in ALL FOUR FEET! we brought him home and waited to see the degree of rotation, which can happen a month to 5 months after the initial onset. We had several x rays taken during the course of this time and found that Sam had rotated 11 degrees in his left and 9 in his right.His hind feet were fine. We hired a farrier who had extensive expereince treating foundered horses. It was close to a full year before he was sound and ridable again.My vet says he has recovered 100 percent. I now only enjoy him for a little arena work trail riding, I watch his diet like a hawk.He's out right now playing with my fjords, his best buddy is little Theodin! There are so many triggers to set off this horrible illness, and so many ways that it can creep up on you like Sam's did. Please get another opinon fast! Best of luck to you and please keep us updated. Nancy BlauersGeneva,Fl
Re: Very Sore front feet
This message is from: Nancy Blauers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Everyone!I've been lurking for a spell and when I saw the notes on the potential founder I had to write! Please take this very seriously! My QH gelding had almost identical situation about three weeks before he really foundered. He was very ouchy on his front feet one morning, my trainer called the vet, who ruled out founder.We gave Sam a week off from training. This was about 3 weeks before he really was in trouble, during this time he seemed ok, so we started light work again. Sam then broke out in hives, then had a really bad upper respiratory incident at a show. The following weekend, my trainer found him lying down in his paddock late in the afternoon and could not get him to stand. She pulled her trailer up close to him, managed to get him up just enough to get him in and then hauled him to the closest Equine Hospital. He was given antibiotics DMSO intravenous. After the intitial onset of laminitis, which occured in ALL FOUR FEET! we brought him home and waited to see the degree of rotation, which can happen a month to 5 months after the initial onset. We had several x rays taken during the course of this time and found that Sam had rotated 11 degrees in his left and 9 in his right.His hind feet were fine. We hired a farrier who had extensive expereince treating foundered horses. It was close to a full year before he was sound and ridable again.My vet says he has recovered 100 percent. I now only enjoy him for a little arena work trail riding, I watch his diet like a hawk.He's out right now playing with my fjords, his best buddy is little Theodin! There are so many triggers to set off this horrible illness, and so many ways that it can creep up on you like Sam's did. Please get another opinon fast! Best of luck to you and please keep us updated. Nancy BlauersGeneva,Fl
RE: very sore front feet
This message is from: Frederick J. Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct purchase from: http://www.figuerola-labs.com/equineproducts.htm Best deals to be had by calling 1-800-219-1147 such as buy 3 and get a 4th for free... You have to ask for the deals. The deals that Jean mention may work out even cheaper. I just ordered 15lbs of inflammasaver and 15lbs of laminasaver direct from figuerola. I bought 4 and got a 5th one free. Then I got a flyer from them offering: buy 3 and get a 4th for free. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2004. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/friendlyfred98 This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred where did you get that lamina saver? Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
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This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fred where did you get that lamina saver? Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
RE: very sore front feet
This message is from: Frederick J. Pack [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cathy, sorry to hear about Fred's sore feet. This Fred's feet are sore too, but I've only got two. We have a mini-mare that foundered. Since that time, she has been on Figuerola's Lamina Saver and Inflamma Saver. Only one relapse in 4 years. It isn't cheap, but it works... Like has been suggested, check hoof temperature...they should be cool. Check the pulse at the feet. Bute will help, but it can be dangerous if used too longulcers in the stomach and esophagus. NO GRAIN for Fred until you find out whether it is founder or not... Feed him only AIR and WATER for a while Our vet came out and made foot pads out of dental casting material for the underside of the hoof. Worked great until the Lamina-Saver kicked in. Fred All Mail is scanned in AND out by Norton Anti-virus 2004. Fred and Lois Pack Pack's Peak Stables Wilkeson, Washington 98396 http://www.geocities.com/friendlyfred98
Re: very sore front feet
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry to hear that your Fjord is so sore. A picture is worth a thousand words -- can you post some online or send to me in email? / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com www.MillwoodRanch.com
Re: very sore front feet
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you taken the pulse in his fetlock? a bounding pulse felt there is indicative. a heart rate of 60 is higher than normal indicating pain. To feel the pulse in his fetlock run your hand down around the back and sides of the fetlock joint. I wouldn't rule out laminitis (founder) Are his feet hot? did the vet use a hoof tester, feel for heat or a bounding pulse? Meanwhile you can cushion his feet with styrofoam pads, fastened on with vet wrap and duct tape..or get a pair of hoof boots..easy boots or the new boa boots which are easy to put on..and put some foam in the bottom. You can cut styrofoam pads to cushion his feet and put a Frog support there too.. http://www.laminitis.org/fitting%20frog%20supports.html tape the styrofoam pad on with duct tape. Anyway, I would get a second opinion. Here is another reference..: http://www.anvilmag.com/farrier/frandlmt.htm I am no expert..so far I haven't had to deal with laminitis in my fjords, but Bjarne had a hoof abcess which was extremely painful. Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, wet morning after thunderstorms and downpours last night..cooled off from 82 degrees yesterday Our 8 year old gelding, Fred (heavy draft model) has often been a little tender footed after the farrier's trimming. No trouble really - one day tip-toeing over the gravel - fine on a softer surface. This time it's different. The farrier suggested he has had some bruising on the sole towards the toe. (Both front feet) After the trimming, Fred was extremely sore. That was 3 weeks ago. He seemed to be getting better, though we felt he wasn't quite right enough to drive and ride. We have kept him away from the richer pasture too - thinking of founder. I have seen Fred standing with his front heels down, toes slightly raised. There does not appear to be any puncture marks on the sole. Our vet came by the other day and seemed to dismiss the idea of founder.
Re: very sore front feet
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cathy, I do not know where you are but that sounds like founder. Elevated pulse, soreness after trimming etc. Soak in cold water, use the hose to hose his feet. He needs pain meds, bute is good but can cause ulcers over a period of time. Most important is what are you feeding? Here in western Washington we are having many founders as the grass is really richer than I have seen before. Keep him off the grass and on poor hay only. Soak his feet many times a day with the hose to cool them but most important get your Vet to treat him as tho it is founder. There is another diagnoses of seedy toe but I am not familiar with that. Is he over weight? My big horse Charley now twenty five is also showing signs of founder which he has never done before. Best of luck, Jean Gayle Author 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
Re: very sore front feet
This message is from: jgayle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Author 'The Colonel's Daughter Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520
