Re: virtual evaluations

2006-02-03 Thread jgayle

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Ruthie, I rarely enter into these comments about stallions, breeding etc. 
But I agree with you re foals and cite my Charley as an example.  He was 
huge and the mare was a maiden. We had a struggle to get him out as she 
pushed.  Because of his size his right legs were windswept and he was down 
on his hind pasterns.  I can visualize a picture of him as a foal!! Yet he 
grew straight and went on to succeed in dressage until an injury sidelined 
him.  Jean Gayle






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Re: virtual evaluations

2006-02-03 Thread ChampionPonies
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I personally like the idea  of virtual evals, however if a foal is evaluated 
as a weanling, it should  absolutely be evaluated again when it is older.  
Speaking from experience,  weanlings can be perfect, and then change as they 
grow...  I assume  the opposite could also be true, but I don't have personal 
experience  with that.
In any case, I'm all for the betterment of the  breed.  Because of that I 
would have all three of mine evaluated  - even [especially] the two that 
would score poorly.  It's hard to not  allow emotions into the equation, and I 
certainly don't want to hurt the  breeder, but the fact of the matter is, 
knowing 
as much as possible -  the good and the bad - about what stallions and mares  
produce is what's best for the breed.
 
Jamie
In the Mountains SW of Denver,  CO





RE: Virtual Evaluations

2006-02-03 Thread Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\)
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What would be interresting, is to have some that are video evaluated,
also evaluated live to see how similar the results were.  

I also think that it is a good idea.  I think it would be of the best
interest of the breed for the NFHR to invest in making a professional
quality dvd of some actual evaluations and all the steps necessary for
the video evaluation, etc. We could purchase a dvd if we would like to
do these types of evaluations.  Then of course, there would be a fee to
actually get them evaluated, going to the evaluators and a small fee to
the NFHR.  Once you have the dvd, you wouldn't need to send it out with
every evaluation package.  All comments about movement, physical
characteristics, breed standard, etc would be given by a professional
evaluator and not the possible biased comments of any breeder, etc of
the horses in the dvd.

It would also be nice to see some examples of good conformation and
movement, as well as not so desirable conformation and movement
characteristics and told why they are good or not.  

It would even be nice to have a dvd like this even if we didn't
evaluate, just so we could better judge our own horses.

I don't know how many people actually have dvd video camera recorders,
there are ways to take them from your 8mm or vhs recorder and tape them
to a dvd recorder though.  More high tech gadgets and toys!! 

Just my 2cents.  Mark Skeels in Helena Montana 





Re: Virtual Evaluations

2006-02-03 Thread Warren Stockwell
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I Know that Parelli has some training done this way with their up and coming
trainers. May be the wrong wordage but you get the idea. I bet somke good
ideas could come from looking into that?

Roberta





Re: Virtual Evaluations

2006-02-03 Thread Beaver Dam Farm

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Hello Everybody from Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia --

Arthur and I were sitting in front of the wood stove having our afternoon 
chai -  which is something that's become a habit this winter.  --  I started 
to tell him about my idea of Virtual Evaluations, and much to my surprise 
(because he really is an old cumudgeon), he thought it was a great idea.  == 
Even  Brilliant ==
He remembers about 26 years ago, when Bob van Bon told everybody at the 
Woodstock, VT show (and first U.S. Evaluation) that the most important thing 
we can do in North America is to identify and inspect our foals.  --  
Well, for some years now, the NFHR has required identification in order to 
register.  First it was bloodtyping, and now DNA.  -- That's a big step!  --  
But, there's never been a real attempt at Inspections.  --  Yes, there are 
Evaluations at some places across the country, but think about it . . . . 
How many people bring foals?  --  And isn't it the foals that need 
inspection the most?  --  Van Bon thought so!


Anyway, I really was surprised that Arthur didn't pick my idea to pieces, 
which is his wont.  --  But, he didn't.  He thought it a very workable 
project.


We were talkling a little bit about the possible logistics.  (Please 
remember that I said possible).  -- Arthur thought the whole thing very 
workable.


*   The horse owner would apply to the Registry to do Virtual Evaluations on 
his own property.


*  He would be sent applications for each horse

*  He would also be sent instructions on exactly how he must present each 
horse for the camera.  These could either be written or on a DVD.


*  A veterinarian would be required to be on site during the filming.  The 
vet would certify that the horse's teeth were correct and also the genitals 
for males and females. --  He wouldn't have to stay after that part was 
done.


*  The inspection (evaluation) would go exactly as it's done in a live 
Evaluation -  with the exception that the gaits would be judged in free 
lunging.


*  Three copies of the inspection on DVD would be mailed to ???  Probably 
the head of the Evaluation Committee --  or, to the NFHR.


*  Three judges would judge and record their scores and comments.

*  The scores would be averaged.

*  The scores would be communicated to the owner, and recorded in The Record 
Book --  just as in a live Evlaution.  But, with a notation that it was a 
Virtual Evaluation.


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I see this mostly for conformation and gait evaluation, which to me, is the 
most important --


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The advantages of Virtual Evaluations is that owners could get all their 
youngstock evaluated.  This would enable them to make important decisions in 
a timely manner.  --  Decisions like -  to geld or not to geld.  --  To keep 
a filly for breeding, or to sell to a performance home.  --


Decisions like -  Was this a good cross (mare  stallion) or not?  --  
Sometimes a judge will tell you not to ever breed that mare to the same 
stallion.  Or, the opposite.


I hope other breeders and owners see the simplicity and value in this idea, 
and will back it by notifying the Board of Directors.


Kind Regards,  Carol Rivoire






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