Re: Stallion lines, trainer's tricks
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: rope chewing, etc.. While I am no trainer and have minimal experience with horses my experience with a negative behavior is to go back to the beginning, be clear with what you want from the horse and be consistent. My new Fjord gelding had an annoying habit (to me) of immediately putting his head to the ground once on a lead-rope and anywhere near something to nibble. So EVERYtime I lead him anywhere it was a struggle. From the beginning at my home we worked on leading, ground manners and each and every time he put his head on the ground he was told not to. In a very short time he got the picture and now leads all over my farm with his head up - looking around at all there is to see. The other day my daughter said: Can I let Sven eat grass (as she was holding him). I told her no - he is learning that when on a lead-rope eating grass is not an option. (A lesson for her in consistency). I am a stickler when it comes to ground manners - my first horse - a quarterhorse - came to me at the age of l0 with impeccable ground manners - he is a joy to be around. But even he - at the age of l5 - will test me. If I get lazy I get problems!!! L. Lottie
Stallion lines, trainer's tricks
This message is from: Cynthia_Madden/OAA/UNO/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Annelli, Please keep up your information on stallion lines and mare lines (if you find any) and publish it to the list. You have been an excellent source of this information and it is very interesting. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with all of us. Trainer's tricks The suggestion to tie your horse by line to his saddle is one I have frequently seen in western riding training facilities. I have often wondered at its efficacy as it has been explained to me that it is to teach a horse to bend. How does any horse learns to bend or anything else by having his head tied in a bend and left for 20 to 60 minutes (or longer). I guess I imagine about how my neck muscles would feel having been forced into such an unnatural position for a period of time. This oculd be particularly uncomfortable for the short thick Fjord necks. I come from the dressage school of training where it takes patience, circles and transitions to teach them how to be supple and to bend. How this will teach a Fjord not to play with a lead rope is confusing to me - unless it is a form of aversion training. I suggest instead the use of TTeam training and the use of a wand to try to cure the problem of grabbing a lead line. I also used chili powder or hot paprika to get Tank to quit chewing on his rope when tied. A liberal sprinkling worked well. Not only did he eventually quit, he also developed a taste for chili powder. A little prevention using proper lead techniques could help. Stand just behind his head and take up the extra lead rope so it does not dangle temptingly. There are many excellent tapes and books on TTeam and teaching a horse to lead properly is well illustrated. Cynthia Madden, Coordinator Office of Sponsored Programs Research University of Nebraska at Omaha E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The four stallion lines
This message is from: Sessoms [EMAIL PROTECTED] I find pedigree talk absolutely fascinating. I have been requesting and collecting Fjord pedigrees from nearly everyone in the breed I have talked to, and thanks to peoples kindness, I am getting a nice collection for study. In America we tend to sort pedigrees into prominent American breeders/importers lines (example: Gene Baeur's Hestdalen, the Jacobsen's Norwegian Fjordhest Ranch, the Rivoire's Beaver Dam Farm, the Unrau's Anvil's Acres, etc.) and by popular stallions such as Grabb, Gjest, Solar, Modellen and such. The more knowledgable American breeders might talk about the European lines between themselves, but I had never even heard of the four stallion lines until Susanne Gronquist first mentioned them! I got a little confused in the earlier messages about 'the four tribes/stallion lines'. In Norway/Holland/Sweden, what are the names of the four stallion lines? I assume you trace stallion lines only through the top line of the pedigree? Dorina's dam is a mare named Uvonia H-U124, sired by Oostman A-12, by Ooigaard Damgaard H-101, Oygaard N-1300 D-140, and Hei N-1105. What stallion line do these horses belong to? Is there a distinct difference in the four tribes/stallion lines like there are in the strains of Arabians? And the Trakehner breed has mare lines which excel in one discipline or another and whose members often have a distinctive phenotype (example: black in color, old-fashion conformation, etc.). Are important mare lines recognized in the Fjord breed? Meredith Sessoms 9549 Smith-Morgan Road Soddy-Daisy, Tennessee 37379 USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ Dorina ~ NFR Aagot .~:~. Fjords ~ Caper ~ Carly ~ Crickett .~:~. Labradors
To: Ingrid Nygaard ;Stallion Lines
This message is from: Susanne Grönqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 05 Jun 1998 20:58:13 +0200 From: Ingvild Nygaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Stallion Lines Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Ingvild Nygaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol Rivoire posted a message about her stallion, Gjest's line, The Baronen line. (Carol - I have a picture of Baronen 193 if you're interested.) The Baronen line is a separat line beside the Njaal-line, although Baronen 193 was somehow related to Njaal through Gange Rolv 142 (Njaal and Gange Rolv had the same ancestor). Baronen is very seldom mentioned, because his line almost died out in 1954, when the last surviving Baronen - horse, Rein-Gust 1184, was sold from Telemark to Dale in Sunnfjord. In Dale, Rein-Gust had the 1. prize stallion Enok 1610, and this saved the line's existance. Enok went to Voss, and had his 1.prize son, Vosse Lars 1674. And all of Vosse Lars's sons, Helgaas Jarl 1764, Rodin 1799 and Brennar 1824 have sons with 1. prizes. And here's a bit that may interest Susanne: Enok 1610 was eksported to Sweden in 1970, and he has a lot of offsprings there. The reason why it is called the Baronen-line and not the Adalstein-line, is because of the quality of Baronen. The lines are named after the most prominent stallion. And altough Adalstein may have been a good stallion, Baronen was better, and the line was named after him. This goes for all the lines. Another reason is when Njaal and Baronen lived, they were the only two real fjord stallions in Nordfjord. This was under the Rimfakse war, and most of the other stallions had doelehorse-blood. (Read more about this on my history-page) As for the main-lines: In Norway there are only three lines after Nj=E5l, besides the Baronen-line. This is Bergfast 635, Haakon Jarl 645 And Oyarblakken 819. The best stallion in the Bergfast-line is Grabb 1651. He went to North America in 1980 and are probably familiar to most of you Americans. Haakon Jarl has Gloppang 894, Molnesblakken 792, Torbjoern 1417, Valebu 1569 and Lidaren 1653 as the most famous offsprings. And Oyarblakken has Dyre 1059, and Jaermann 1788. Jaermanns father, Hosar 1717 was born on my grandfathers farm. I have a rather nice picture of Haakon Jarl and Bergfast on my Fjordhorse page. If you would like to take a look at it you'll find it here: http://home.sol.no/~hansse/pic/haakonJbergf.jpg I am working on an historical rewiew (wich I never seem to finish) on the Fjordhorse in Norway, based on books and hear-say, and when it is finished, I'll put it up on my history-page. -- Ingvild Nygaard http://home.sol.no/~snygaard/ The Fjordhorse page http://home.sol.no/~snygaard/fjord.html Hi Ingrid !! Well, Håkon N 302 isn´t a line from Njaal N 166 as I wrote the first time. And, yes, I know that Enok N 1610 was exported to Sweden. But we call the Baronen line Håkon N 302line instead. Are we wrong ?? I send you what I know : Gange Rolv I N 42 ( N = norwegian studbook ) b: 1874, browndune // SkarphedinGange Rolv II N 92 / / Fleitner N 97 Stallion born in Innvik / / NJAAL N 166Adelsten N 149 b:1891 d:1910,Dam:Kempa N59/ / \ \Baronen N 193 Odin Fridtun N 423 Fredman N 275 Gange Rolv N 261 / / / / HÅKON N 302 Veimar N 475 Harald Bolsoey Trygg N 299 /N 509 / Ga Pa Stordal /Dalegubben N 502 N 568 HÅKON JARL / / N 645 BERGFAST N 635 Rodsetblakken / Oyarblakken N 819 You wrote that ReinGust N 1184 is a stallion of the Baronenline. In one way he is, but he goes down to Håkon first; ( Enok S 39 - )ReinGust N 1184 - Kong Ola N 895 - Lerviksblakken N 791 - Rapp N 671 - HÅKON N 302 - Baronen N 193. Enok N 1610 has, as far as I know, seven approved son´s here in Sweden, 4 gransons, 2 greatgrandsons and a lot of mares. I´m also interested in a photo on Baronen N 193. And I´m VERY interested in sons and any information that you maight have on these diffrent stallions that I´ve wrote above. I´ll be greatful !! Kind regards Susanne Sweden __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Stallion Lines
This message is from: Ingvild Nygaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Carol Rivoire posted a message about her stallion, Gjest's line, The Baronen line. (Carol - I have a picture of Baronen 193 if you're interested.) The Baronen line is a separat line beside the Njaal-line, although Baronen 193 was somehow related to Njaal through Gange Rolv 142 (Njaal and Gange Rolv had the same ancestor). Baronen is very seldom mentioned, because his line almost died out in 1954, when the last surviving Baronen - horse, Rein-Gust 1184, was sold from Telemark to Dale in Sunnfjord. In Dale, Rein-Gust had the 1. prize stallion Enok 1610, and this saved the line's existance. Enok went to Voss, and had his 1.prize son, Vosse Lars 1674. And all of Vosse Lars's sons, Helgaas Jarl 1764, Rodin 1799 and Brennar 1824 have sons with 1. prizes. And here's a bit that may interest Susanne: Enok 1610 was eksported to Sweden in 1970, and he has a lot of offsprings there. The reason why it is called the Baronen-line and not the Adalstein-line, is because of the quality of Baronen. The lines are named after the most prominent stallion. And altough Adalstein may have been a good stallion, Baronen was better, and the line was named after him. This goes for all the lines. Another reason is when Njaal and Baronen lived, they were the only two real fjord stallions in Nordfjord. This was under the Rimfakse war, and most of the other stallions had doelehorse-blood. (Read more about this on my history-page) As for the main-lines: In Norway there are only three lines after Njål, besides the Baronen-line. This is Bergfast 635, Haakon Jarl 645 And Oyarblakken 819. The best stallion in the Bergfast-line is Grabb 1651. He went to North America in 1980 and are probably familiar to most of you Americans. Haakon Jarl has Gloppang 894, Molnesblakken 792, Torbjoern 1417, Valebu 1569 and Lidaren 1653 as the most famous offsprings. And Oyarblakken has Dyre 1059, and Jaermann 1788. Jaermanns father, Hosar 1717 was born on my grandfathers farm. I have a rather nice picture of Haakon Jarl and Bergfast on my Fjordhorse page. If you would like to take a look at it you'll find it here: http://home.sol.no/~hansse/pic/haakonJbergf.jpg I am working on an historical rewiew (wich I never seem to finish) on the Fjordhorse in Norway, based on books and hear-say, and when it is finished, I'll put it up on my history-page. -- Ingvild Nygaard http://home.sol.no/~snygaard/ The Fjordhorse page http://home.sol.no/~snygaard/fjord.html
Stallion lines; Gjest
This message is from: Susanne Grönqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Carol ! I´m afraid that I have to make you dissapionted. Gjest´s from these four lines we have in Sweden, but from another stallion, Adelsten, which is a son or a granson to Gange Rolv I N42. And Njaal N 166, which´s the father of the other lines, has Gange Rolv as Great granfather or something like that. So maybe it´s Gange Rolv I N 42 who´s father to all our stallionlines? Carol, do you have some more precise information on your line ?? Greatful if you´ll send a little more about it !! I think that that part of Gange Rolv´s offspring is very unusual. I haven´t seen it in the breeding until now. Bye for now ! Susanne __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: Stallion Lines
This message is from: Mike May [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 11:30 AM 6/3/98 -0400, you wrote: This message is from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia I've heard talk that the NFHR is working on a studbook. I hope that will be available to us soon. Yes the Board of Directors approved the purchase of the new software that will allow me to produce a studbook for all of the NFHR registered horses. I am not sure at this time how many volumes it will be. I am guessing at 2 - 3 anyway. There are over 2200 horses registered now. After the original studbook are produced I think it will probably be printed on a yearly update basis. Mike
Re: Stallion Lines
This message is from: Arthur Rivoire [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from Carol Rivoire at Beaver Dam Farm in Nova Scotia I was interested to read Susan's message from Sweden regarding the Stallion Lines. As far as I understand it, our stallion, Gjest, represents a separate line, and one that is unique in that it's a straight father to son line from the foundation stallion, BARONEN. This was told to me by B. J. van Bon, Chief Inspector of Fjords in Holland, and I've also seen it illustrated in his book, Van Vestlandhest tot Fjordenpaard. The line starts with the stallion, Adelstein 149, and goes to his son, Baronen 193. I don't know why it's listed with Adelstein before Baronen, since it's usually called the Baronen line. After Baronen, comes HAKON 302. Is this the same Hakon Susan refers to as father of the 4th line in Sweden? After Hakon is Rapp 671, then Lervikblakken 791, Kong Ola 895, Rein Gust 1184, Enok 1610, Vosse Lars 1674, Helgas Jarl I 09 (Dutch #) -- Helgas Jarl is the sire of Gjest. Then Gjest I 49 (Dutch #), then Gjest's son, Fjellwin F-74. Then to follow this line in North America, there's BDF Kanada King breeding in Washington, and BDF Malcom Locke breeding in Ohio. I've heard talk that the NFHR is working on a studbook. I hope that will be available to us soon. Regards from Nova Scotia. Carol fjordhorse-digest Wednesday, June 3 1998 Volume 98 : Number 074 In this issue: Chin hairs Re: Chin hairs Re: Burning the hairs? Norwegian Fjordhorse tribes -- Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:53:25 -0600 From: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Chin hairs This message is from: Starfire Farm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --78ABF2EE7AEA4F8CF26DE9FD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This burning of the chin hairs also intrigues me. Maybe a person could save some wear and tear on body clippers in winter! Anyone remember the sterilization scene in Andromeda Strain? (Oh oh, I'm dating myself.) - Beth - --78ABF2EE7AEA4F8CF26DE9FD Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HTML This burning of the chin hairs also intrigues me.nbsp;nbsp; Maybe a person could save some wear and tear onnbsp; body clippers in winter!nbsp; Anyone remember the sterilization scene in IAndromeda Strain/I?nbsp; (Oh oh, I'm dating myself.)nbsp; - Beth BRnbsp; BRnbsp;/HTML - --78ABF2EE7AEA4F8CF26DE9FD-- -- Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:15:33 -0700 From: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Chin hairs This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Speaking of chin hairs, do they ever shed out completely. Gunthar is almost completely in his summer suit' but his chin hairs are pretty well attached. Maybe this is just his draft side showing itself, and they won't shed out? Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Date: Tue, 02 Jun 1998 10:42:34 -0700 From: Anton Voorhoeve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Burning the hairs? This message is from: Anton Voorhoeve [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Ingrid, when you groom the Fjord the idea is to do as little as possible, aside from the mane, in order to keep him or her in a natural state as they are considered a primitive breed. However, the fluffy hair under the chin and on the legs does interfere with the general appearance. To cut it leaves marks so instead we learned to burn the hair with a candle. Just hold the candle under the chin and you get a little brush fire. It smokes and stinks but the horses don't mind. To put the fire out just brush it with your hands. Better to do it out of the wind and before washing! I have a detailed video of the whole grooming process and will make it available soon. Try the burning a little at the time and compare it to cutting, good luck. Anton V. -- Date: Wed, 03 Jun 1998 00:19:56 PDT From: Susanne Grönqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Norwegian Fjordhorse tribes This message is from: Susanne Grönqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here comes rainy greetings from Sweden. I´ve asked before, but there seems to be a very small interest in tribes and family trees. All my free time, I spent doing family trees on different fjords. Did you for example knew that there´s only four stallionlines all over the world in the fjordbreeding ?? And how did it become like this ? I think this is very interesting, because it must have been more than one stallion in the beginning. The stallion which is thefather to all four stalliontribes is called Njaal N 166. And his great grandfather is Gange Rolv I N 42. And the four lines is; Bergfast N 635, Håkon Jarl N 645, Öyarblakken N 819 and Håkon ( Can´t remember his number right know ). Here in Sweden, the most common line is Håkon Jarl, and the rarest Öyarblakken. Of the 30 stallions we
