Re: Teaching horses to stand quietly
This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know if you were addressing me, but I think it was Brigid that mentioned Old Mac boots. There are some new boots out made by the Easy boot folks, easy to put on and said to work great! Called Boa Boots, http://www.easycareinc.com/prod/ebproductInfo_boa.aspx http://www.alternate-solutions.com/products/legcare/ez/boa-boots.htm Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska sunny but record rain for May! Jean, I seem to remember you talking about Mac boots vs Teflon? Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Karen Keith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another way to teach a horse to stand quietly is to use clicker training and teach your horse to put his front feet on a target. This can be a piece of plywood on the ground or a doormat. I decided to teach my gelding to stand both front feet on a cinderblock, just as a stupid pet trick. What ended up happening is he will go to his block, step up on it, and check to see if I'm looking. He'll even stay up on his block when I run out of treats and have to go out of sight to get some more. Gee, I didn't even know I was teaching his to stand still! :^) Mark, I taught my mare to lift her own darn feet, again using the clicker. This mare would automatically lean into whichever foot I was asking for, and there I would be bent over, tugging at her leg. Nonsense! So, started with baby steps. Touch her right forearm, maybe tap a couple of times, just until I got some response. As soon as she shifted the weight slightly off that foot -- CLICK!REWARD!. Wow, she liked that game. It took a bit of time and a couple of sessions, but I shaped her behaviour from just a shift of weight, to lift your foot and hold it in the air. Life is much easier now, especially since I have since started using Old Mac boots and they take a couple of minutes of foot-in-the-air to put on. Each foot must be taught separately, as horses' brains don't seem able to take learning from one side and transfer the concept to the other side. When I switched to the left front leg, I'd tap the forearm and, yup, up would come that RIGHT front foot. But since there are no wrong answers in clicker training, I just waited her out until I got a shift of weight off the left leg and CLICK!REWARD! and the behaviour came much quicker this time. I've also taught both hind feet by just touching or tapping her stifle area -- no point in bending over until that foot is up. :^) I try to teach as light a cue as possible, so even if I start with a tap, I continue to lighten up the cue to a touch or even just point at the forearm. At this point, the foot lifting is well established, but I do try to periodically REWARD it to keep her interested in cooperating. Especially in the putting on and taking off of the boots. Karen Mark Skeels wrote: The only thing I have had a problem with his methods on the Fjord, is pinching the leg and getting the horse to lift their foot, it seems I could squeeze with vise grips the location and method shown, and it don't phase our horses. So I just pick them up, the old fashioned way. http://music.ninemsn.com.au/OD2redirect.asp?URL=http://sib1.od2.com/common/config.asp?shop=52associd=2
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This message is from: Joe Glick [EMAIL PROTECTED] The method I like to use to get a horse to stand quietly is Releasing Pressure. I'll attach a lead rope to their halter, bring them out of their stall and square them up in the alleyway. Don't tie the horse, but set him up so that you have room to walk all around him. Once he's squared up, hold the end of the lead and start brushing him. My horses love being brushed, so that releases the pressure. If your horse doesn't like being brushed you might have to tie him till he learns to like it. If the horse moves, you need to apply pressure. Make him do a couple laps. Make him walk back and forth in the alleyway or just make him go in a circle a couple times. Once he has done his laps, square him up again, and continue brushing again. When squaring up, avoid looking directly at their eyes. Horses are very intimidated by that and can become uneasy. Words of praise are ok, but don't overdo it. Stroking their neck for praise is ok, but patting is not. Would you like your neck to be stroked or patted? Horses are no different. I find that the best time to train a horse to stand is right after he has been exercised. Square him up and wipe him down with a bath towel. Horses really like that. Be very critical with your horse. Even if he moves one foot, you need to apply pressure. Sometimes when they make a small move, a small glare directed toward their eyes is all it takes to make them stop. Just make sure you release all pressure as soon as they do what you want them to. It's surprising how quickly this method works. Sometimes it only takes a few sessions till they get the idea. Once they stand pretty good, I will drop the lead rope and just let it hang from the halter. The main thing is, be firm and be consistent. BTW, I have one question. Was it Brian Jensen that pounded the importance and desirability of a horse to stand quietly? I could just hear him saying that. Brian is a good man, and he's right. There aren't many things that are as unhandy as a horse that won't stand quietly. Joe Glick Glick Family Farm Denver, PA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I have that 7 games tape..I believe he made that over 10 years ago? I didn't think much of his method then. But at the clinic I saw that his methods had evolved and were much like other good Natural Horsman techniques, but chunked down in a form that the average person could follow. I don't know how it will work with a Fjord but Adel already will back from a wave of my hand, etc. so I hope to be at Level 1 Should be interesting anyway. I will let you know! Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, where it is supposd to rain again tomorrow: We've already had 3 times the normal rainfall for May! I can understand your skepticism after seeing Parelli's 7 games tape. No Fjord I know (except Guntharwho is incredibly sweet, but has a mind more like an Arab) would give two hoots about all that rope wiggling. So Jean, what was different that changed your mind? Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Gail Russell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I can understand your skepticism after seeing Parelli's 7 games tape. No Fjord I know (except Guntharwho is incredibly sweet, but has a mind more like an Arab) would give two hoots about all that rope wiggling. So Jean, what was different that changed your mind? Gail This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] We had a Parelli clinic here last year and I audited it, with a skeptical mind at the beginning. but after auditing the whole level 1 clinic I signed up for the clinic this year(level 1) It will be a 2 day level 1 and a 3 day level 2
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This message is from: Skeels, Mark A (MED) [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think what everyone is trying to get at,,, is to teach your horse to stand quietly there is some training that is going to be necessary. If you read into these posts, what they are saying is that one training method that really works is thru the teachings of Pat Parelli. Nothing happens over night. But Pat Parelli has broken training down into methods that are easy for those on both ends of the rope to understand and get quick results from,, if applied daily, you will see quick results. Standing quietly tied to a post or cross tied is quite different from standing quietly in one spot and not encroaching into your space next to you while you get the horse tacked up, cleaned up, hoof's picked, etc; with no rope securing the horse anywhere. This can be done with Pat's methods. We have seen fast results using his methods, and we aren't horse people by any means. If you want your horse to stand quietly, and you don't know how to accomplish this, then you will have to seek instruction from someone who is good at what you want to accomplish. Pat Parelli's methods or someone else's, it don't matter. But Pat's methods, I think you will find, you will see very fast training results with. The only thing I have had a problem with his methods on the Fjord, is pinching the leg and getting the horse to lift their foot, it seems I could squeeze with vise grips the location and method shown, and it don't phase our horses. So I just pick them up, the old fashioned way. Everything else has worked great on all our horses. If you are looking for a Step 1, 2, 3, approach, then his is very good. Costs maybe a couple hundred to get going, on the first phase, but the money is well worth it, and your horse will be very well mannered everywhere you go. And of course this money can be split between all the horses you ever own, plus you will be trained along with the horse. Also a note on his equipment. We have bought his equipment, then needed more, so decided to get look a like stuff at other local stores. IT AIN'T THE SAME. The rope is either too stiff and hard or to soft and floppy. His tack seems to be best. And I don't get any commission. I guess you get what you pay for. Of course my wife and daughter do most of the training, and if the equipment has a problem, I hear about it. And so far what we have gotten from Pat is pretty good. His vocal delivery is maybe 98% good, a few swear words or expressions you may not want the young ones to hear, but hopefully that goes over their heads. His methods also teach you why a horse does what they do, and how to show your horse how to over come the prey/preditor and pecking order instincts they sometimes show towards you, such as kicking, hard catching, dominant aggressive behavior, etc. Just my 2 bucks worth. Mark Skeels -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Karl Jerrie Froelich Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 8:50 PM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: Re: Teaching horses to stand quietly This message is from: Karl Jerrie Froelich [EMAIL PROTECTED] er - this is all great; but doesn't really help with the original question.. This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/24/2004 12:14:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been practicing the Parelli methods for a couple months. I think it works very well, but have not really had much first hand knowledge Hi Debi- I like the Parelli stuff a lot. Many people are now combining the method with clicker training for a very comprehensive program. Respect+body language+what / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
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This message is from: Karl Jerrie Froelich [EMAIL PROTECTED] er - this is all great; but doesn't really help with the original question.. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Teaching horses to stand quietly This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 5/24/2004 12:14:07 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been practicing the Parelli methods for a couple months. I think it works very well, but have not really had much first hand knowledge of how well others were doing with it. (And I certainly do not think that this is the only way to get things done) But after auditing and participating in clinics, I have seen some transformations happen. I watched a dancing 3year old paint go from using his owner as his personal chew toy to a respectful and still standing courteous horse. Hi Debi- Fjords are known for using humans as chew toys :-) I like the Parelli stuff a lot. Many people are now combining the method with clicker training for a very comprehensive program. Respect+body language+what Fjords love most, food! There is a yahoo list called PNHClickers which is very interesting. / )_~ /L/L Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA www.Brigid.Clickryder.com
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This message is from: Jean Ernest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Deb, Who was your Parelli instructor? We had a Parelli clinic here last year and I audited it, with a skeptical mind at the beginning. but after auditing the whole level 1 clinic I signed up for the clinic this year(level 1) It will be a 2 day level 1 and a 3 day level 2. I was very skeptical about the whole Parelli show but after watching this clinic I decided to try it myself. Not Pat Parelli, but a woman..forget her name at the moment. Jean in Fairbanks, Sunny at the moment after hard rain all night. I have been practicing the Parelli methods for a couple months. I think it works very well, but have not really had much first hand knopwledge of how well others were doing with it. (And I certainly do not think that this is the only way to get things done) But after auditing and participating in clinics, I have seen some transformations happen. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Debi Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi all, I have been practicing the Parelli methods for a couple months. I think it works very well, but have not really had much first hand knopwledge of how well others were doing with it. (And I certainly do not think that this is the only way to get things done) But after auditing and participating in clinics, I have seen some transformations happen. I watched a dancing 3year old paint go from using his owner as his personal chew toy to a respectful and still standing courteous horse. My own apppie of 24 years made such transformation over this past weekend. She was a nice sweet horse to begin with, one any beginner could use. But.. she was always in my space. I had trouble doing the famous 7 games because of her intrusions. Once she learned to back up by rhythm in the rope, we were on another planet!! This happened with several horses at the clinics. Mostly it was the backing that changed them, from my prospective. Each time they went 1 step forward we backed 2 steps. Jerking on the lead rope would get caught by the instructor immediately. We couldn't hold within 3 feet of the snap to start with. I've done that since I was a kid. By the first break we had to hold 6 feet away. End of first day and I could actually lead and stand holding only the end of a 12 ft lead, 99% of the time my mare stood still and did not fuss to come into my space any longer. All it takes now is a wiggle and she goes back. It was a wonderful time on day 2 riding(in an arena) with the halter and getting a back without pulling! You would have to know my appie, she never backed (let alone willingly) bit or halter without the tug of war! We had fun, we trotted we cantered fancy circles and turn backs with a small suggestion. I got a new horse and she got a new rider. Can't wait to try this on the fjords. Some have started already and have progressed well. Find some one doing Parelli, Dennis Reis or Clinton Anderson or the other natural methods and see if it helps. Debi Williams Williams Hill Fjords
Teaching horses to stand quietly
This message is from: Karl Jerrie Froelich [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are taking one of our fjords in for an evaluation this fall at Libby. The importance and desireability of a horse to stand quietly has been pounded into me, but I'm lacking know-how. Anybody willing to share their training secrets? The filly that we're taking is 3, so I presume she is old enough to learn. She is accustomed to being ground driven, if that matters. Cheers, K.
