Re: Training the One-rein stop?
This message is from: Kim Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com I have been teaching my horses the one rein stop for a few years now because I have a QH that was labelled as Dangerous by former owners and trainers. My best advice is flex, flex, flex. You want your horse to be soft and supple so that when you pick up on the reins, even in an emergency, you are able to get that head around to your leg. A horse should not be able to continue to run away... at least not forward... if his head is bent to your leg. While I have not trained a Fjord yet, I am sure that if you get your horse soft and supple and bending that head around, it should work just the same. -Kim ... Fjordless until March From: Julia Webb jemw...@hotmail.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 11:35 PM Subject: Training the One-rein stop? This message is from: Julia Webb jemw...@hotmail.com So, I'm curious about things we can learn from this.Practical takeaways. Fjord trainers: Any differences with installing that one-rein stop/disengagement of the hind-quarters with Fjords? I'm not the best rider in the world, but as a thinking adult beginner, I've had many teachers, all of which (to some degree or another) made sure I knew how to A) Get off a moving horse as safely as possible, and B) Train that one-rein stop. (At least with a Fjord, the distance to the ground is a lot less than the 16.3 Standardbred I learned the rolling dismount on...). I know that most horses can run right through a pulley rein or a one-rein stop if they haven't had it ingrained to the point of instinct. Any experience with making it as effective as possible? -JuliaFjordless in Kansas Thank you so much for that info Valerie! I needed the confidence boost! I want to take Andy and J.J. to Arcadia and have thought of them running away since reading some emails on here..very scary thought Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Training the One-rein stop?
This message is from: S K windyacre...@yahoo.com Kim, Very good advice! My trainer, Chris Lombard teaches that very method...but some people are afraid I suppose, the Fjord's neck is So powerful the one rein stop won't workIt does on my AndyI'm sure with a diligent amount of training any Fjord will hopefully, turn that awesome neck around! From: Kim Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 5:41 AM Subject: Re: Training the One-rein stop? This message is from: Kim Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com I have been teaching my horses the one rein stop for a few years now because I have a QH that was labelled as Dangerous by former owners and trainers. My best advice is flex, flex, flex. You want your horse to be soft and supple so that when you pick up on the reins, even in an emergency, you are able to get that head around to your leg. A horse should not be able to continue to run away... at least not forward... if his head is bent to your leg. While I have not trained a Fjord yet, I am sure that if you get your horse soft and supple and bending that head around, it should work just the same. -Kim ... Fjordless until March From: Julia Webb jemw...@hotmail.com To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 11:35 PM Subject: Training the One-rein stop? This message is from: Julia Webb jemw...@hotmail.com So, I'm curious about things we can learn from this.Practical takeaways. Fjord trainers: Any differences with installing that one-rein stop/disengagement of the hind-quarters with Fjords? I'm not the best rider in the world, but as a thinking adult beginner, I've had many teachers, all of which (to some degree or another) made sure I knew how to A) Get off a moving horse as safely as possible, and B) Train that one-rein stop. (At least with a Fjord, the distance to the ground is a lot less than the 16.3 Standardbred I learned the rolling dismount on...). I know that most horses can run right through a pulley rein or a one-rein stop if they haven't had it ingrained to the point of instinct. Any experience with making it as effective as possible? -JuliaFjordless in Kansas Thank you so much for that info Valerie! I needed the confidence boost! I want to take Andy and J.J. to Arcadia and have thought of them running away since reading some emails on here..very scary thought Important Fjord Horse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important Fjord Horse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Training the One-rein stop?
This message is from: Mary Ofjord ma...@boreal.org So, I'm curious about things we can learn from this.Practical takeaways. Fjord trainers: Any differences with installing that one-rein stop/disengagement of the hind-quarters with Fjords? Ah yes, the one-rein-stop. When I first got back into horses for the second time in my life, about eighteen years ago, I realized I didn't have the speed or coordination and fearlessness I had in my youth. This was about the time the natural horsemanship movement hit the media - thank goodness. I read about one rein stops and got my mare to do a lovely disengagement and stop at the walk, trot and lope - in the arena. If she would get anxious out on the trail, I could use it to my advantage in that situation too. One fine day, my husband and I were going out our old driveway for a ride. Rune, the horse he was riding suddenly spotted a SIGN that hadn't been there the last time he went down that driveway. He spun around so fast that my husband swears he could see his huge blond butt and black tail disappearing down the driveway back towards the barn before he hit the ground! My mare decided there must be some reason to run for her life and decided to take off after Rune. I can use my one rein stop, I thought. Ha! I grabbed one rein and it felt like I was pulling on a freight train. At that point I decided I might as well just go along for the ride. It was fast but short. My husband's gelding was peacefully grazing on the lawn when my mare and I pulled up beside him. He looked at us like hi, ya want some grass? So, moral to this story, you can teach the one rein stop to any horse, but when they are really in a panic, with their strong, heavy muscular necks Fjords might not be as easy to stop as one of those skinny necked critters. Mary O North Coast Fjords __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6844 (20120131) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Training the One-rein stop?
This message is from: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net On 1/30/2012 9:35 PM, Julia Webb wrote: Any differences with installing that one-rein stop/disengagement of the hind-quarters with Fjords? I'm not the best rider in the world, but as a thinking adult beginner, I've had many teachers, all of which (to some degree or another) made sure I knew how to A) Get off a moving horse as safely as possible, and B) Train that one-rein stop. This was Buck Brannaman's advice, many years ago during a colt starting clinic I was in, about teaching the one-rein halt...Make it [the halt] a soothing place to be,...so the horse gets security from it rather than being just a means of control. So, I don't think it is just about flex, flex, flex. Sometimes if you try to teach a Fjord to flex roboticly (like some clinicians) you can teach the horse to fear and brace against the one-rein halt. Often, with a Fjord, one needs to break down a movement or request into smaller steps to help it understand what you want. Teach it to yield laterally to the bit (or, preferably to the halter) slightly first, then graduate to adding neck flexion, then add the disengagement. The rider's seat position and balance are also crucial in a one-rein halt. The rider's balance should be somewhat over the outside hip, but deep and grounded in the seat of the saddle, rather than what the body wants to do naturally, which is lean over the inside shoulder, weight out of the seat and over the rider's legs. Unfortunately, when the weight of the rider is over the shoulders, it makes the horse's weight fall onto the forehand and the horse could lose its balance, falling over its own front feet. A scary situation for both horse and rider. Fjords can have very strong necks, but setting that neck always starts with /mental/ strength or bracing. Under normal circumstances (meaning the horse is comfortable with the situation, etc.) their necks are extremely supple. In fact, I have found them to be extremely supple throughout their entire bodies! I have taught, and continue to teach, many Fjords (and other horses) to do a one rein halt /without/ reins, essentially teaching them to disengage when I touch the hindquarter button (my students will understand this! ;-) When you have that...you really have a connection that can be very reliable. Having said that, a horse that is truly afraid and is a true runaway cannot be bent with any amount of force, Fjord or otherwise. One had to chose whether to ride it out or jump off. If you ride it out, you have to wait until the horse peaks to try to make any effect with a one rein halt. Make that one-rein halt your horse's little happy place and you should have a tool that is reliable for both you and your horse. Beth -- Beth Beymer and Sandy North Starfire Farm, LLC www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: Training the One-rein stop?
This message is from: Kim Manzoni kim.manz...@yahoo.com Beth Thank you for this great advice! It will definitely come in handy as I train my youngster! Very good info!! -Kim in Maryland...reading Yahoo messages instead of doing my taxes! From: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:16 PM Subject: Re: Training the One-rein stop? This message is from: Starfire Farm starfiref...@usa.net On 1/30/2012 9:35 PM, Julia Webb wrote: Any differences with installing that one-rein stop/disengagement of the hind-quarters with Fjords? I'm not the best rider in the world, but as a thinking adult beginner, I've had many teachers, all of which (to some degree or another) made sure I knew how to A) Get off a moving horse as safely as possible, and B) Train that one-rein stop. This was Buck Brannaman's advice, many years ago during a colt starting clinic I was in, about teaching the one-rein halt...Make it [the halt] a soothing place to be,...so the horse gets security from it rather than being just a means of control. So, I don't think it is just about flex, flex, flex. Sometimes if you try to teach a Fjord to flex roboticly (like some clinicians) you can teach the horse to fear and brace against the one-rein halt. Often, with a Fjord, one needs to break down a movement or request into smaller steps to help it understand what you want. Teach it to yield laterally to the bit (or, preferably to the halter) slightly first, then graduate to adding neck flexion, then add the disengagement. The rider's seat position and balance are also crucial in a one-rein halt. The rider's balance should be somewhat over the outside hip, but deep and grounded in the seat of the saddle, rather than what the body wants to do naturally, which is lean over the inside shoulder, weight out of the seat and over the rider's legs. Unfortunately, when the weight of the rider is over the shoulders, it makes the horse's weight fall onto the forehand and the horse could lose its balance, falling over its own front feet. A scary situation for both horse and rider. Fjords can have very strong necks, but setting that neck always starts with /mental/ strength or bracing. Under normal circumstances (meaning the horse is comfortable with the situation, etc.) their necks are extremely supple. In fact, I have found them to be extremely supple throughout their entire bodies! I have taught, and continue to teach, many Fjords (and other horses) to do a one rein halt /without/ reins, essentially teaching them to disengage when I touch the hindquarter button (my students will understand this! ;-) When you have that...you really have a connection that can be very reliable. Having said that, a horse that is truly afraid and is a true runaway cannot be bent with any amount of force, Fjord or otherwise. One had to chose whether to ride it out or jump off. If you ride it out, you have to wait until the horse peaks to try to make any effect with a one rein halt. Make that one-rein halt your horse's little happy place and you should have a tool that is reliable for both you and your horse. Beth -- Beth Beymer and Sandy North Starfire Farm, LLC www.starfirefarm.com Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Training the One-rein stop?
This message is from: Julia Webb jemw...@hotmail.com So, I'm curious about things we can learn from this.Practical takeaways. Fjord trainers: Any differences with installing that one-rein stop/disengagement of the hind-quarters with Fjords? I'm not the best rider in the world, but as a thinking adult beginner, I've had many teachers, all of which (to some degree or another) made sure I knew how to A) Get off a moving horse as safely as possible, and B) Train that one-rein stop. (At least with a Fjord, the distance to the ground is a lot less than the 16.3 Standardbred I learned the rolling dismount on...). I know that most horses can run right through a pulley rein or a one-rein stop if they haven't had it ingrained to the point of instinct. Any experience with making it as effective as possible? -JuliaFjordless in Kansas Thank you so much for that info Valerie! I needed the confidence boost! I want to take Andy and J.J. to Arcadia and have thought of them running away since reading some emails on here..very scary thought Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH-L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
