Midwest Horse Fair & West Nile vaccine
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! Just got back from the Midwest Horse Fair in Madison, Wisconsin, late last night. Chuck and I had a very good (if tiring!) time during the 3 day event. The Fjord people did a great job in the Parade of Breeds, showing the versatility and obedient willingness of the Fjord horse under saddle and in harness. We had a lot of interest in our horse bells, although a number of people seemed surprised that our antique horse/sleigh bells and custom-made bell straps are more expensive than new bell straps purchased at the harness and tack stores. We got lots of practice explaining the advantages of the older bells and of our custom restoration services. I suppose our business is a little like our Fjords. If you want something special in bells, talk to us! If you want something special in a horse, get a Fjord! Many people took cards and brochures, with the idea of perhaps sending us their family bells to restore. We figured from the start that planting these "seeds" would be the main purpose of having our booth at the fair. It seems to have worked, although we will have to wait now to see if those seeds germinate. I would recommend a visit to this Fair and to the Minnesota Horse Expo in St. Paul, Minnesota (coming up in 2 weeks, if I recall correctly), for anyone interested in all things horsey. If you don't like crowds, attend either event on a Friday or Sunday if you can -- Saturdays are typically crazy. While at the Fair, I talked with the representative from Fort Dodge about the company's west nile vaccine. He said the vaccine would probably be available someday from non-veterinary sources (meaning perhaps the cost will drop), but for now the company wants to control access to the vaccine through the vets. When asked why, he explained that people are giving THEMSELVES the vaccine and the liability to the company is tremendous should the misused vaccine cause human health problems and a resulting lawsuit. I have my own opinions about someone who misuses the vaccine in this way, then blames the manufacturer, but I'll not air my personal views. Suffice it to say, I understood completely why Fort Dodge is being cautious. My horses got their immunizations recently, including the first shot of west nile vaccine. The cost for the west nile vaccine was $17.75 per shot from my vet in northeastern Iowa. DeeAnna
West Nile Vaccine
This message is from: "Philis Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Listers, I vaccinated my pregnant mare who is due the middle part of April with WN vaccine on about March 17th. I did this on advice from an equine vet that I email in Minneapolis, as we are about to find ourselves here in northeastern Minnesota without a vetagain! He has had extensive work with WNV out east in Connecticutor thereabouts. So far, no reaction and no early foaland the mare is growing bigger and bigger. He also suggested that I vaccinate her again in May, however, I'm not sure if he understood that she had the series of two doses last year. More questions for him. I have another mare who I need to vaccinate twice this spring because she only received one dose last year. We finally got our winter snow yesterday; about six inches.just enough to make it sloppy...and my Rubbermaid 100 gal stock tank froze last night, darn! Philis Anderson
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This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My vet in Sonoma County CA just came out to give the second injection to a neighbor's horse. She said there have been confirmed West Nile infections in horses 11 months out from vaccineso now they are recommending every six months. The cost was $28 plus call charge of $30but we split the call charge between a bunch of horses. At 11:54 PM 3/27/2003 EST, you wrote: >This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >We had our five horses vaccinated for WNV last year and they each were given >two injections, 3 weeks apart. The price was $25.00 per injection. >They will be given their booster this year. > >Rondi Tyler. >So. Calif.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] We had our five horses vaccinated for WNV last year and they each were given two injections, 3 weeks apart. The price was $25.00 per injection. They will be given their booster this year. Rondi Tyler. So. Calif.
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] "> The vet is also talking about doing the horses again in August. Have > people given the thrid shot? Is it necessary?..." Here, I'm hearing different answers, from different vets. I'm hearing if they had their first time ever WNV shot last fall, with the booster 3 weeks later, then this spring they just need one shot. I'm hearing that they need a second shot this fall -- but also hearing they only need one shot once a year for followup. Sher
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello - Wow!! The vets all over here (around the Denver/DIA area) are telling us (the horse owners) that it is! No kidding - I've had 4 vets tell me that, when I called around this Spring, right after hearing that Dr.Rice retired (my former vet, retired this winter.) How much did you have to pay per shot for your serum, if you don't mind my asking? I have 5 to take care of (3 ponies, 2 old horses) -- and with a herd that size, well, I try to save where I can (and put that savings back into hay, etc!!) Who's your vet, if I may ask? I would very much like to order some syrum from him/her, especially if it'll help save a good bit. The vet who's replacing Dr. Rice, is charging $19.50 per shot for WNV, and I just learned that if you have 5 or more horses to care for, she waives the trip fee to come to our place. Don't know if I can get the shots for any less than that but it never hurts to ask! (If that's about what your vet would charge, then I'll just stick with her - since she's up in this area and all.) Thanks for letting me know that I've been told wrong --- I try to keep current on horse news, and I did call 4 vets with the same answer, so thought it was the truth! Thanks again, Sher -- --- > > From a list member in central Colorado (name left out to respect privacy) > "...It is NOT illegal in Colorado for your vet to sell you the WNV. On the > contrary, it is now LEGAL to sell to the public. I have 6 of em in my > refridge right now!!! Paid $20 ea"
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This message is from: Alison Bakken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I did my herd with the first dose of the WNV. No reactions. The vaccine cost me $28.00 a dose, the vet needed a list of the horses, ages, descriptions and names. I gave the shots myself. More than I was hoping to pay. The vet is also talking about doing the horses again in August. Have people given the thrid shot? Is it necessary? Alison Bakken Sundre, Alberta I think spring is here. The geese have arrived, the trees are starting to make pussy willows.
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This message is from: Holly Tuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sher, Just gave our girls their first shots, booster to follow in three weeks. It ended up being $25.00 Canadian per horse. I don't consider this a bad deal. As it stands right now we will booster only in the spring time after this year. Holly from Manitoba __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 3/25/2003 12:30:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Has anybody witnessed or heard of horses having bad reactions to the West > Nile Vaccine? More importantly, is there any proof of the vaccine's effectiveness? Brigid Wasson SF Bay Area, CA http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fjord1/Our_Fjordsx.html";>Our Fjords http://www.ourfjords.freeservers.com/fw/Fjordings_Wesx.html";>Fjordings West
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] None of my ponies (3) or my horse have had a bad reaction to the WNV shots. Have not heard of any negative reactions here, in Colorado U.S. Last fall, when WN did hit our area (several horses within a 75 mile radius of where I live vet confirmed got it). My vet sold me the syrums at $19.50 per shot (times 8, since I had to give a second booster shot 3 weeks after the first time ever shot.) Last Fall, I was allowed to buy them from him -- but he retired this winter -- and now can not find a vet who'll sell you the syrum to do your own shots (it's now illegal here). So, the new vet (Dr. Sanders in eastern Brighton, U.S.) charges a "ranch call" which is normal around here, that is $30 to come to my place, plus $19.50 per horse/pony for her to give the shot. This Spring, since they all got shots last Fall, she said they only need one shot for the Spring. Some vets are saying vacinate once a year, some are saying twice a year (Spring & Fall). Many people here are not vaccinating at all -- but since my working ponies especially, travel so much (every weekend in the warm months) I feel they are in high risk exposure, plus as a responcible owner, I owe it to the areas *they* come in contact with. Likewise, my own horses (a second one, a Morgan, just came home to us last night!!) will also get their WNV shots. I will likely vaccinate once a year in the Spring -- unless I see enough evidence around here that it's needed twice a year. The $19.50 is in U.S. dollars -- it seems that $30 per shot is really gouging! There is one vet I know of here who was trying to charge $30 per shot, plus mandatory ranch call (would not allow you to go to his office) - so last Fall, his client was stuck paying $30 first shot, $30 booster, $30 trip fee $90 per horse!!! Outrageous. I'm a "shopper" and felt there is not reason that I had to be rooked like that - so I called around and found another vet. It's ok that I can not get the syrum anymore -- I still pay the same price from the new vet, plus she's doing the shot herself. When it comes to Spring 5way shots - heck, for years I have bought those from the local co-op store (farmer's supplier) for around $12.00 and done the shots myself (was vet taught to do it right). I do my own worming, etc. It's only one shot a year that I have to call the vet out to do it - the WNV - so that's not too ugly on the wallet. (grin!) Sorry to hear the vets in Alaska are rooking you folks so much! I mentioned the prices with U.S. dollars ... just wondering ... how is the WNV shot fees for you folks up in Canada? Know a lot of you are here on this list ... so just curious. :-) Sher www.RockyMountainTrails.net/partyidx.html Pony Party Rides, Face Painting, Balloon Animals, Games www.RockyMountainTrails.net/horsepony.html Fjord cartoons painted on shirts, ballcaps 3 new cartoons coming out in just a week! -> > From Fjord list: "...Here in Fairbanks, Alaska...people are debating > whether to give the West Nile Shots this year. One > vet has been pushing it aggressively, stating that she won't treat your > horse unless you get the WNV shots. $30 per shot. recommends 3 shots...one > horse owner...in Washington state...witnessed horses having bad > reactions...Those here with a large number of horses can't see the point of > spending $60+ per horse to get shots that may never be needed...So the jury > is out! What to do?..."
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] As one of the barns in the study or rather the conditional trial basis last spring on West Nile etc. - our vet innoculated all the critters. Youngest was 3 months old - the oldest almost 40 years old - almost 40 were given the series of shots. Also every breed covered from Miniature Horse to Hanoverian to Fjord to Belgian cross etc. Not a single one had a reaction of any sort that I could document and I did TPR's etc. on all for 2 weeks (what a pain). No swellings, skin changes nothing. The biggest reason for us agreeing to this was we had one of the school horses come down with Potomac Horse Fever the summer before and the vet bill when it was all said and done was almost $2500 (with a discount since we are a Therapeutic Riding Program). Since the care would be real similar if one came down with WNV - I decided it would be much cheaper and easier on me if all were innoculated even at $60 per horse. I will do WNV and PHF again this year and as much as I hate to do it add the Strangles shot too. Haven't read all the posts about this so hope I am not repeating what someone else says. Took my nephew back to his ship (the Eisenhower) yesterday in Newport News, VA and then drove home (600 miles round trip) so very tired and achy today. Felt terrible leaving him - he's just barely 18 - still my little buddy (wouldn't say that to him). The average age of the sailors assigned to the "Ike" is 19 and a half - so young. I will post all the details about the Trail Ride/Rideathon/Driveathon when I get a chance to type them out. Robyn in MD (with 2 daffodils blooming)
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list: In response to Jean's note, I live just north of Spokane. We were told by our vet that they were instructing folks to get the shots by spring. We had all our horses done, different ages, and had no bad reactions at all. I believe they were about $22.00 each with two needed per horse 3-6 weeks apart as I remember. I have heard of no bad reactions in this area but I may just not have talked to folks that had one with their horses. After hearing from some people who didn't plan on giving them I decided to take our vet's advice. It didn't make sense to me to take a chance on my horse's lives. I hope and pray that no one will experience a bad outcome related to this latest threat to the equine world. Hoping that all your spring fjord plans are looking like a go. Kathleen Rollins
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This message is from: "Jon A. Ofjord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 08:51 AM 3/25/2003 -0900, you wrote: This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Has anybody witnessed or heard of horses having bad reactions to the West Nile Vaccine? Jean - None of our horses that were vaccinated last year (about 14 total, including boarders) had reactions to the WNV vaccine. Last year they all had the initial shot and the booster 4 weeks later. WNV is probably in this county and Minnesota was particularly hard hit last year with somewhere close to 1000 cases. I don't know the stats on how many of those were vaccinated or not, nor how many died. Here in Fairbanks, Alaska, in the Interior of Alaska many of the horse peoople are debating whether to give the West Nile Shots this year. General thought from the "Outside" if to definitely give the shot. It's spreading rapidly. I just read the statistics on the number of cases on the rise over the last couple years, and it's scarey. WNV shots. $30 per shot. Down here is runs about $20 per shot. recommends 3 shots. You have a lot of mosquitos up there. Here, the recommended dosage is two to begin, and an annual this year - unless we have a heavy concentration of mosquitos and a wet summer - then may get a second shot later on. Another vet doesn't think it will come to Alaska as he thinks infected birds will die before they arrive on migration.He will give the shots, but doesn't think it is necessary. Huh? Don't think I want to have him/her doctoring on my animals. So the jury is out! What to do? This year, along with the Four-Way, and Coggins, we are requiring our boarders to get WNV shots if they want to continue to board here. Our own horses will have them too, of course. Mary Ofjord North Coast Fjords Grand Marais, Minnesota
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Jean, I just went to an equine health discussion, given by one of our local vets. We discussed all vaccines. He told us there had been NO reports of reactions to this vaccine.of course this was about 4 weeks ago. (he'd just been out to a vet convention recently too, where this was a topic) He said only 2 doses needed to be given to start with. I have my bill in front of me from last years vaccines, and I paid $14 per shot for the west nile. We are in Maine, if that helps any. Aimee
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jean I have given a series of three shots to my three @ $19.50 each. First two were in Sept and Oct. Then just had boosters. Absolutely no reactions. Last shot was given with an EPM shot and no reactions. My big horse reacts to the least twinge. But no problems. Your Vets charge a lot. Jean Jean Walters Gayle Aberdeen, WA Author:The Colonel's Daughter $20 PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563
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This message is from: "The Mercers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My mare, Reina, had a mild reaction to the first injection but no reaction to the second injection. I gave the injection in the neck and there was some heat and swelling at the site but it was gone after a week and no abscess formed. Reina also has had the same reaction to the Ft. Dodge Rhino/Flu vaccine so it may be her systems response and not the WNV vaccine. Gayle Ware will be giving her the vaccines/WNV booster this month and in a different location so we'll see if she has a reaction this time. So far, Reina's was the only reaction my vet had seen. As far as the birds dying before they reach Alaska - don't count on it. As a falconer and raptor rehabilitator I can tell you that birds can be carriers without dying. Last year was horrific and we're not looking forward to the guaranteed spread of WNV this year. Taffy Mercer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jean Ernest Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:51 AM To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Subject: West Nile vaccine reactions? This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Has anybody witnessed or heard of horses having bad reactions to the West Nile Vaccine? Here in Fairbanks, Alaska, in the Interior of Alaska many of the horse peoople are debating whether to give the West Nile Shots this year. One vet has been pushing it aggressively, stating that she won't treat your horse unless you get the WNV shots. $30 per shot. recommends 3 shots. Another vet doesn't think it will come to Alaska as he thinks infected birds will die before they arrive on migration. He will give the shots, but doesn't think it is necessary. Also charges $30 per shot. Another vet who sort of does his own thing, the "bush vet" (he travels out to the remote villages and is generaly much cheaper than the other vets, so they tried to run him out) will charge only $22/shot but doesn't think it is necessary to do it this year. Then, one horse owner said that she was at one barn in Washington state where she witnessed horses having bad reactions from the WNV shots. She got the shots anyway because she uses the vet who woldn't treat her horses unless she got the shots. Those here with a large number of horses can't see the point of spending $60+ per horse to get shots that may never be needed. Others worry about bad reactions to the shots. So the jury is out! What to do? Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, sunny days but cold nights..+30 today. Ravens have been picking up gobs of Fjord hair and flying off with it to their nests. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Has anybody witnessed or heard of horses having bad reactions to the West > Nile Vaccine? > [...] > Another vet doesn't think it will come to Alaska as he thinks infected > birds will die before they arrive on migration. > [...] > Then, one horse owner said that she was at one barn in Washington state > where she witnessed horses having bad reactions from the WNV shots. > [...] > Those here with a large number of horses can't see the point of spending > $60+ per horse to get shots that may never be needed. It's going to be interesting to see where WNV does and doesn't crop up. One vet here in town is urging everyone to vaccinate everything. Another has privately confided that he doubts WNV will actually become a serious problem here. He notes that canine heartworm (also spread by mosquitos) is rampant in surrounding counties, but not here. No idea why (we certainly do have mosquitos); it's just one of those oddities. Time will tell FWIW, my donkey (Shadow) is on a schedule of minimal vaccinations, because years ago, she started reacting to the rhino-flu shots. Both of her parents had had similar reactions, which got worse with each subsequent shot, i.e. it seemed to be a building allergy problem. My vet at the time recommended only vaccinating Shadow for "things we can't cure", like tetanus and sleeping sickness (to which she does not react). Last fall, when the Oregon state vet suddenly started recommending the shots, Shadow and my 2 Fjord geldings got the 2-shot WNV "starter" vaccinations. None of them showed any reaction to either shot (other than Rom being of his normal opinion that all needles are deadly). IMHO, if Miss Reactive didn't have a problem, I doubt others will. We've got an appointment in about a week for boosters. The thing is, by the time you know for sure that your equines NEED the shots (because local birds or horses are dropping dead from it), it's too late to get them. Think of it as insurance---something that you pay for, then hope you don't need! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
West Nile vaccine reactions?
This message is from: Jean Ernest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Has anybody witnessed or heard of horses having bad reactions to the West Nile Vaccine? Here in Fairbanks, Alaska, in the Interior of Alaska many of the horse peoople are debating whether to give the West Nile Shots this year. One vet has been pushing it aggressively, stating that she won't treat your horse unless you get the WNV shots. $30 per shot. recommends 3 shots. Another vet doesn't think it will come to Alaska as he thinks infected birds will die before they arrive on migration. He will give the shots, but doesn't think it is necessary. Also charges $30 per shot. Another vet who sort of does his own thing, the "bush vet" (he travels out to the remote villages and is generaly much cheaper than the other vets, so they tried to run him out) will charge only $22/shot but doesn't think it is necessary to do it this year. Then, one horse owner said that she was at one barn in Washington state where she witnessed horses having bad reactions from the WNV shots. She got the shots anyway because she uses the vet who woldn't treat her horses unless she got the shots. Those here with a large number of horses can't see the point of spending $60+ per horse to get shots that may never be needed. Others worry about bad reactions to the shots. So the jury is out! What to do? Jean in Fairbanks, Alaska, sunny days but cold nights..+30 today. Ravens have been picking up gobs of Fjord hair and flying off with it to their nests. Jean Ernest Fairbanks, Alaska mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi: We live in So. California and our vet said that we are just getting the vaccine in here now. He said that the vaccine is given twice, three weeks apart. Is that correct? So far I have not vaccinated any of our horses as there have not been any incidents here that he had heard of, but he expects by next summer that it will be here as well. The vaccine is $25.00 per vaccination. Is that about right? Rondi Tyler. So. Calif.
West Nile vaccine
This message is from: "David McWethy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Before giving the West Nile Vaccine, I consulted with a veterinarian I know who is in touch with horse vets all over the country. She made the point that the type of vaccine it is, is similar to other virus vaccines which work well, and from what she has heard in areas that have a lot of West Nile, that the horses which have been vaccinated have been free of the disease. On her advice, which I considered conservative, I got the shots for my horses. We are seeing a small amount of WNV evidence in my state, and more in other states where some of the horses will be this year. Dave
West Nile Vaccine
This message is from: "fred & jeri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have vaccinated my three Fjords (2 mares, one gelding) with the West Nile vaccine. They got the original shot and a booster 3 weeks later. With the West Nile being identified in Illionis. my vet and where I board really recommended getting the shots. The horses tolerated it well - Nicky was jumping Tana the same day without incident. Oh! They got their annual shots, wormed and coggins done at the same time. I would rather be safe than sorry. My vet says that eventually that we will be able to give the West Nile ourselves and that it will probably combined in to one of the "way" shots. Jeri in Missouri [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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This message is from: "Lisa Schieler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I am sorry to hear about the tumor. Take care. You will be in my thoughts. Lisa On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:51:54 -0500 "Deb Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message is from: "Deb Williams" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Just heard from the vet. The West Nile vaccine > is$18.00 a pop. Each > will need min. 2 on board and they are suggesting a 3rd > later in the year. I > guess that's the price of peace of mind here. > What's this running other places?? > On another note: I will be out of touch for a > while. I have a (most > likely benign) brain tumor and will be having surgery > next week. This isn't > expected to be a big deal procedure, easily accessible > and not involving any > major stuff like speech and hearing or movement. Just no > riding or barn > chores for a while. not being able to play with babies > will be the worst > part. > Debi Williams > Williams Hill Fjords > Waterford, Pa > Home of Tolgar,Tanja, Rosie, Belle,Hilda and Beckett( +3 > soon)
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Deb, Best of luck with your surgery! Lynda and Daniel Bailey's Norwegian Fjord Horse Farm White Cloud, MI 231-689-9902 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hometown.aol.com/baileysfjords/
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This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The very best of luck to you Debi with your surgery... my prayers to you for a speedy recovery! Ruthie, NW MT > This message is from: "Deb Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Just heard from the vet. The West Nile vaccine is$18.00 a pop. Each > will need min. 2 on board and they are suggesting a 3rd later in the year. I > guess that's the price of peace of mind here. > What's this running other places?? > On another note: I will be out of touch for a while. I have a (most > likely benign) brain tumor and will be having surgery next week. This isn't > expected to be a big deal procedure, easily accessible and not involving any > major stuff like speech and hearing or movement. Just no riding or barn > chores for a while. not being able to play with babies will be the worst > part. > Debi Williams > Williams Hill Fjords > Waterford, Pa > Home of Tolgar,Tanja, Rosie, Belle,Hilda and Beckett( +3 soon)
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This message is from: "Deb Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yes our County did have positive birds as did 2 surrounding counties in New York Debi Williams Williams Hill Fjords Waterford, Pa Home of Tolgar,Tanja, Rosie, Belle,Hilda and Beckett
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This message is from: "Jean Gayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Debi best of luck in your surgery and do let us know how you are doing. Hope all is well and you can watch the new babies coming. Jean Jean Walters Gayle [Authoress of "The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 To 1949 ] http://users.techline.com/jgayle Send $20 Three Horses Press PO Box 104 Montesano, WA 98563 -Original Message- From: Deb Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Date: Friday, March 15, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: West Nile vaccine Costs?? >This message is from: "Deb Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Just heard from the vet. The West Nile vaccine is$18.00 a pop. Each >will need min. 2 on board and they are suggesting a 3rd later in the year. I >guess that's the price of peace of mind here. >What's this running other places?? > On another note: I will be out of touch for a while. I have a (most >likely benign) brain tumor and will be having surgery next week. This isn't >expected to be a big deal procedure, easily accessible and not involving any >major stuff like speech and hearing or movement. Just no riding or barn >chores for a while. not being able to play with babies will be the worst >part. >Debi Williams >Williams Hill Fjords >Waterford, Pa >Home of Tolgar,Tanja, Rosie, Belle,Hilda and Beckett( +3 soon)
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This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Deb Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just heard from the vet. The West Nile vaccine is$18.00 a pop. > Each will need min. 2 on board and they are suggesting a 3rd later > in the year. I guess that's the price of peace of mind here. > What's this running other places?? At another local seminar, last night, a vet said that the vaccine was unavailable in this area. Apparently, it's in short supply, so states that do not have demonstrated cases of WNV aren't getting allocated any vaccine! > I will be out of touch for a while. I have a (most likely benign) > brain tumor and will be having surgery next week. Best wishes! Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
West Nile vaccine Costs??
This message is from: "Deb Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just heard from the vet. The West Nile vaccine is$18.00 a pop. Each will need min. 2 on board and they are suggesting a 3rd later in the year. I guess that's the price of peace of mind here. What's this running other places?? On another note: I will be out of touch for a while. I have a (most likely benign) brain tumor and will be having surgery next week. This isn't expected to be a big deal procedure, easily accessible and not involving any major stuff like speech and hearing or movement. Just no riding or barn chores for a while. not being able to play with babies will be the worst part. Debi Williams Williams Hill Fjords Waterford, Pa Home of Tolgar,Tanja, Rosie, Belle,Hilda and Beckett( +3 soon)
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UFFDA! Was conversing with my husband about the mosquito fish - typed it in as "feeder fish" -- how it got on the fjordlist is a mystery. Sorry folks:)
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whoops - mosquito fish?? :)
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This message is from: GAIL RUSSELL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> clean out water troughs at least once a week, Or put mosquito fish in them. In a pinch, "feeder goldfish" work, sorta, though they sometimes cannot keep up. Gail Russell Forestville CA [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: West Nile Vaccine
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > "Dudley and Karen Haines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I live in southern California and everything I have read about the West > Nile Vaccine seems to indicate it is a problem in the eastern (and more > humid regions) of the U.S. Am I correct in understanding this, or have > there been reported cases in the western U.S.? According to the handout from the Ft Dodge sales rep, so far, all reported cases are in the east and midwest. However, reported cases (includes both infected mammals and birds) mushroomed from 1 state in 1999, to 12 in 2000, to 28 states in 2001! Since it is spread by birds, there is concern that infected birds from the Atlantic and Mississippi migration flyway routes wintered in mosquito-laden Central and South America with birds from the Rocky Mountain and Pacific flyways---and that when those birds migrate back north this spring, they might very well bring WNV "home" with them. One of the local vets pointed out that the disease usually manifests itself first in birds, so if you (or your local health authorities) start seeing noticable numbers of dead birds (especially crows and jays), it's probably time to vaccinate! And, it's always a good idea to do whatever you can to cut the mosquito population---eliminate small pools of water, clean out water troughs at least once a week, encourage insect-eaters like swallows and bats, and turn off barn lights at night (apparently incandescent lights attract mosquitos; flourescent ones don't). Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
West Nile Vaccine & Clipping for health reasons
This message is from: "Dudley and Karen Haines" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I live in southern California and everything I have read about the West Nile Vaccine seems to indicate it is a problem in the eastern (and more humid regions) of the U.S. Am I correct in understanding this, or have there been reported cases in the western U.S.? We do have mosquitoes - it's been a very mild winter, so I am seeing them already. My vet comes out next week for my girls' "annual", so I will ask him, but I'm curious if anyone knows anything about this. Hi Bossmare :), Yes, I do clip for health reasons. Like I say, this year has been unseasonably warm, only a few days where it dipped below freezing at night. But it's not unusual for the temperature here in the desert to fluctuate 40 degrees or more each day. I do a trace clip as a happy medium and they are much more comfortable when ridden. And they still have enough hair left to keep them warm most nights. If we get a storm and the wind starts to howling, I will blanket - it just depends on the conditions. My girls grow a pretty good coat (much thicker than other horses in the area), but I doubt if it is nearly as thick as those that live up north. I believe they do acclimate - just like us. I come from Alaska and for 25 years could not handle the heat at all. Now I'm a confirmed desert rat and have trouble with the cold! Karen This message is from: "Bossmare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Do many Fjord owners clip their horses not for show purposes but for health > reasons? Can I expect her to have a lighter coat next winter after being > acclimated to New Jersey instead of Nova Scotia?
Re: Re[2]: West Nile Vaccine
This message is from: Vivian Creigh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi and goodbye List, I am leaving for Aiken tonight with three ponies all of whom have been vaccinated for West Nile. We did a base line titer on all three just in case I ever get selected to compete abroad. Better safe than sorry. Two horses contracted West Nile in NH (one died within 48 hours) and although no one yet knows whether or not the vaccine will work it is the only game in town. No reactions other than normal vaccine achiness for a day or two. I'll be back on line the beginning of April, but will try and get mail from friends computer down south. Long night and day ahead of me. Hope mud season is over by the time I returnI can't wait to drive in the Sandhills. Vivian Creigh
Re:Re[2]: West Nile Vaccine
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, There haven't been any studies yet that show it is effective (pending). Viruses of this type though are usually easily vaccinated against, so I am confident that the vaccine should work. I am vaccinating my own horses for it and am recommending it to all of my clients. Steve W.
Re: West Nile Vaccine
This message is from: Marsha Jo Hannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm curious if there has been any studies as yet on whether or not > the vaccine for West Nile is effective. As I recall it was placed on > the market with no studies showing that it was any more effective > than a shot of saline. Last week, the local Co-op Extension service had a seminar. One of the presenters was a sales rep from Ft Dodge, "discussing" their West Nile vaccine. Upon questioning, she admitted that they had NOT yet done challenge tests in horses (vaccinate some, not others, then expose them to the disease, and quantify what happens), although such tests are in the planning stages. Their conditional license is based on in vitro tests---I'm fuzzy about the details, but dishes of cells that had been "vaccinated" (maybe blood from a vaccinated horse?) warded off WNV significantly better then unvaccinated ones. There were also claims about the vaccine raising blood titre levels in horses, in the appropriate way. My impression is that their customers are going to do some of their research for them, i.e. we'll find out how vaccinated vs unvaccinated horses fare in some of the disease hot spots this year Marsha Jo HannahMurphy must have been a horseman-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] anything that can go wrong, will! 15 mi SW of Roseburg, Oregon
Re[2]: West Nile Vaccine
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Joni-- Tuesday, February 19, 2002, you wrote: > It is almost time for Spring shots and I am debating whether or not > to vaccinate my gelding for West Nile. Are there any adverse effects > from this vaccine? Most people I have spoken to in our area of S.E. > Wisconsin are planning on using the vaccine. Any comments would be > appreciated. Joni I'm curious if there has been any studies as yet on whether or not the vaccine for West Nile is effective. As I recall it was placed on the market with no studies showing that it was any more effective than a shot of saline. Steve W., can you comment on this? -- Steve McIlree -- Pferd & Skipper -- Omaha, Nebraska, USA No whisper of lover, no trilling of birds, Can stir me as hooves of the horses have stirred. -- Will H Ogilvie
Re: West Nile Vaccine
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for your input, Joyce. I opted to vaccinate my gelding for the West Nile virus. The vet told me that there haven't been any adverse effects that she has heard of and she vaccinated over 100 horses herself. She also said that a vet friend of hers out East has experienced the devastation of the virus first-hand and it's awful. She said one day a horse will be limping and two days later he's dead! She also said that the virus is spreading. Here in Wisconsin, we have had a record-breaking mild winter, so we are expecting a "bumper crop" of mosquitoes, which is another factor to consider in vaccinating. Joni
Re: West Nile Vaccine
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] A suggestion on the West Nile vaccine - I'm in MD - we had never vaccinated for Potomac Horse Fever. I hate giving all these shots if not needed. Well, after many years of not having a problem one of our horses came down with PHF last summer. He was very very ill, spent several weeks at Unionville Equine Hospital, came very close to losing him. And to avoid all that expense (over $4,000.00) if we had vaccinated everyone we wouldn't have had the scare. So since the West Nile Vaccine had just come out I asked Dr. Lee if we needed to vaccinate for it. His response was if one or more of them came down with it, the treatment would be very similar to PHC and we already know how expensive that was. So yes we now vaccinate for everything. I do wish we had the money to yearly do a titer on every animal to avoid over vaccinating but we don't. Hope that helps a little. Robyn in MD 61 degrees today
Re: West Nile Vaccine
This message is from: Joyce Concklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > It is almost time for Spring shots and I am > debating whether or not to > vaccinate my gelding for West Nile. Are there any > adverse effects from this > vaccine? Most people I have spoken to in our area > of S.E. Wisconsin are > planning on using the vaccine. Any comments would > be appreciated.Joni > Hi Joni, Here in Florida there have been outbreaks of West Nile.We tend to travel throughout Florida and out of state with our Fjords,so we did vaccinate all the horses (including the bred mares). Our Fjords had no reactions to the vaccines. Other non Fjords in our area ,I've heard, had minor swellings and or low grade fevers. I will not hesitate to vaccinate them again.I have met a few people who have lost their horses to this illness. Joyce Clover Oaks Farm Fjords Brooksville Fl. Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com
Re: West Nile Vaccine
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is almost time for Spring shots and I am debating whether or not to vaccinate my gelding for West Nile. Are there any adverse effects from this vaccine? Most people I have spoken to in our area of S.E. Wisconsin are planning on using the vaccine. Any comments would be appreciated.Joni
