Re: Re[2]: Corgis and Fjords
This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have 2 Corgi's (Pembroke) they are the best. We have other dogs too. Lab, Germ. Shep and Dobie mix. Everyone seems happy with their spoiled rotten little lives, haha. Jo Wilgus Gavilan Hills, CA ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Corgis and Fjords
This message is from: "Debbie Ulrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debbie Ulrich and I have been negociating for a pup for a couple of months now. The care and study she has put into finding the perfect mate for her beautiful female is a study in selective breeding for all the right reasons, and is what I want tobuy. I only hope she agrees to let me get one. She is picky and I will be lucky. And Chelsey will have a new buddy to teach how to properly supervise our ranch and her cat. Lisa Lisa...Thank you very much for your nice comments. That is truly what I have tried to do with this breeding of Starlite's Halle Berry. I am very excited that you and Jeff will be getting one of these precious puppies. They will be around other dogs and in time will be around the horses also and will be well socialized with other dogs, cats, fjords and children. A few more comments about herding.Steve...you are definitely on the right track with all your thoughts. There is the right place for herding if that is what you want them to do. I have taken Halle to one training session on herding and she loves it, but she has learned the difference on when it is appropriate and when she can't. I also have taken her to 3 sets of class sessions of agility and she was the star pupil and when we had show with the 12 dogs in the class, she won, hands down with the quickest time and no faults. Now, to find time to do more of it. The fjords come first in the training and yet they all get the attention they deserve. I am also so happy to hear that so many of you are enjoying the Pembroke Welsh Corgi breed. Ruthie.. I also found it interesting to look at the pics of the Swedish Vallhund and see some of the similaritiesmaybe we will have to do some studying on that. Debbie Ulrich Corgi Hill Farm Winona, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Re[2]: Corgis and Fjords
This message is from: "ruth bushnell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Monday, April 30, 2007, you wrote: What is the downside of Corgis?>>> As long as you provide them with a job and keep them busy I believe Corgis have little downside. If you don't give them a job they will come up with one on their own, and you probably won't like it. Some people think they are nippy, especially with children, but I believe they are only nippy if their people allow it. People often excuse this behavior because they think it's herding. Believe me, they aren't herding they're just nipping, and if it's made clear that isn't acceptable they will quit. Steve Thanks for sharing about the Corgi breed, Steve, interesting. They are reportedly a distant "cousin" to our herding breed, the Swedish Vallhund, but there is no evidence to support this theory that I know of. It was my understanding that the Phydo Project was supposed to sort out the DNA relational connectivity between the two, but to my knowledge this hasn't yet occured. I believe the interest was in their dwarf legs and primative status. There is a book I understand. Here's a site which lists herding dogs, and you can see BOTH Corgi breeds there, as well as the Swedish Vallhund. http://www.herdingontheweb.com/dogs.htm From what I understand with herding dogs, you need to have established a fair bit of training before they are turned on stock, like a "really reliable" recall. Any pasttime that a dog finds pleasurable can become obsessive (like people? =))) ...much like when a trained search dog be given a ball to fetch as reward-- some of them become consumed over it. Likewise, the individual odd herding dog whose latent herding INSTINCTS are once awakened, could become fixated and overly nippy perhaps. Maybe that's how the bum rap got started; from lack of training. (true of horses as well) Our Fjords range here, we gather them in with a 4-wheeler instead of herding dogs because I believe that dogs should not herd horses--I can't take the risk that they might be kicked. I've often thought of getting a few sheep for the Valls, but the cougars might gather up the sheep. hah Ruthie, nw mt US Bushwhacker Fjords [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.frontiernet.net/~valls http://www.frontiernet.net/~fjords 406-295-5050 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Re[2]: Corgis and Fjords
This message is from: "jgayle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Re corgis and horses. Steve, you are right on and your Corgis' name has to be a new one! I am on my sixth rescue Corgi. They have been very good with my Fjords and other horses. The horses have warned them and it stops there. However, a friend brought two of her mini horses, recently, to help keep my big field down due to my just having Gunnar now. The minis try to stomp my two Corgis as the doggies run through the field to the fence and I guess the minis think that is time for play or attack. My Corgis do not go after them despite their attacks. Just hope it settles down before someone is hurt. They (doggies)can stand right at Gunnar's head and catch the grain he might drop. Jean Gayle Author of: 'The Colonel's Daughter" Occupied Germany 1946 to 1949 Send: $20 to Three Horse's Press 7403 Blaine Rd Aberdeen, WA 98520 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tuesday, May 1, 2007, Ruthie wrote: > From what I understand with herding dogs, you need to have > established a fair bit of training before they are turned on stock, > like a "really reliable" recall. The same day Clust was instinct tested, I watched as a "well trained" Border Collie ate a duck about two feet in front of me. That is when I decided that we were done with herding until we had done some basic obedience classes. So Clust didn't get to see stock again for close to a year. And as I mentioned it has taken over two years from that time to get him working at a comfortable speed. Hopefully we have now reached the point where there is just polishing and tweaking for awhile. From there the next big step is where he has to start working away from me, at the other end of the field with only my whistle commands. > Likewise, the individual odd herding dog whose latent herding > INSTINCTS are once awakened, could become fixated and overly nippy > perhaps. Maybe that's how the bum rap got started; from lack of > training. (true of horses as well) A dog that has too much bite will never be a good herding dog; it will get them immediately thrown out of a herding trial. That's one of the first things a lot of people have to work on with their dogs. On the other hand, I had to train Clust to bite on command, because a big billy goat was starting to push him around. Luckily I ran into a fellow at the Omaha dog park who trains Dobies as protection dogs, and he gave me some good tips to train a controlled bite. -- Steve McIlree - Pferd, Skipper & Clust - Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA He that would venture nothing must not get on horseback. --Spanish proverb The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re[2]: Corgis and Fjords
This message is from: Steve McIlree <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gail-- Monday, April 30, 2007, you wrote: > What is the downside of Corgis? My understanding is that they can be > a handful...or not great with kids (preferring folks with a little > reserve, like the Queen of England :)) As long as you provide them with a job and keep them busy I believe Corgis have little downside. If you don't give them a job they will come up with one on their own, and you probably won't like it. Oh, let me amend the little downside, they do shed nearly as badly as a Springtime Fjord, and they do it year round. Some people think they are nippy, especially with children, but I believe they are only nippy if their people allow it. People often excuse this behavior because they think it's herding. Believe me, they aren't herding they're just nipping, and if it's made clear that isn't acceptable they will quit. They are very smart big dogs with short legs. Like Fjords, they will question anything that's asked of them if they don't understand the reasons for it. But again like Fjords, they will do whatever you want once you make them understand. Even if that understanding is, "You WILL do it because I SAY SO". Fortunately it seldom comes to that. I have been concentrating Clust's training on herding. For the past year and more I've worked pretty much solely on getting him to slw down when moving sheep. Nothing seemed to work. A couple weeks ago I made him slow down at a time that was completely inappropriate. Luckily I realized my error and spent the rest of that practice session getting him to speed up again on that particular move. I ended the session thinking I had maybe recovered the damage, but made no progress. The next time I took him to work sheep I found he had put everything together and finally understood when to go fast and when to go slow. Since then I've worked him several times and he has shown that he DOES finally get it. Sorry for the long-winded story, but it's a good example of the perseverance sometimes needed with these little guys. But I bet most of you have already learned the same lesson from your horses. -- Steve McIlree - Pferd, Skipper & Clust - Omaha, NE/Las Cruces, NM, USA A canter is the cure for every evil. --Benjamin Disraeli(1804-1881) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Corgis and Fjords
This message is from: "Debbie Ulrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is the downside of Corgis? My understanding is that they can be a handful...or not great with kids (preferring folks with a little reserve, like the Queen of England :)) I have found it to be just the opposite. My dogs and my grandson and the neighbor kids just love the Corgis and the Corgis get so excited and have so much fun when they are here and are so gentle with the kids. A handfullnot mineyou must remember they are a big dog with short legs I think it has to do a lot with the socialiazation when they are little and that they are kept with the mother and the other pups long enough to learn the socail skills they need from them and then how they are treated once they make it to their new home. No all kidding aside.I have had many breeds of dogs and so has my husband it is is our favorite. The downfall...they do shed! Any more questionsfeel free to email me! Debbie Ulrich Corgi Hill Farm Winona, Mn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 507-454-7565 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
RE: Corgis and Fjords
This message is from: "Gail Russell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What is the downside of Corgis? My understanding is that they can be a handful...or not great with kids (preferring folks with a little reserve, like the Queen of England :)) The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Corgis and Fjords
This message is from: "Debbie Ulrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Our "yearling" cardigan does VERY well with the horses (Clydes and Fjords both).. .I can account for Corgis doing well with the fjords. They get along so well with the fjords. My corgis have the same disposition that my fjords do and it is fun to see them together. I do not allow my Corgis to herd the horses though nor my heels...they can heard each other. I have three Pembroke Welsh Corgis and my beautiful female is breed to a champion male. The puppies will be born in the middle of June and we should have red and whites and tricolor pups. Both parents have had the hip dysplasia test done and are good, eyes checked and they are normal, and Von Wildebrands test is neg. If you are interested, please call or email me privately. Debbie Ulrich Corgi Hill Farm Winona, MN [EMAIL PROTECTED] 507-454-7565 The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
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This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes...Emily...its very true. Our "yearling" cardigan does VERY well with the horses (Clydes and Fjords both)...He was excellent two weeks ago when my 4 yr old fjord mare foaled for the first time. He was loving and affectionate. I WON'T say that he DOESN'T do laps on the outside of their run now that the filly has her legs about her and is preparing for the derby! I do appreciate his herding instincts, however, as he also gently nips at my heals every morning when we depart for our jog. The extra incentive helps. He is a great babysitter for the pups, and great for setting a good example. I had never had a corgi prior to that dog, and I will never think twice. The puppies, at 8.5 weeks, are nearly potty trained, and are highly socialized...with people and big dogs. They get handled throughout each day and have lots of space to run and explore. The 3 blues are beautiful, and the little black/white/brindle is such a doll. If you are interested, please contact me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) or 406-223-6933 Thanks! wendy ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
