Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick

[Ross Sclafani]

I'll settle for actionscript 3 replacing JavaScript in the browser :)

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On Dec 31, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Karina Steffens  wrote:

> Happy New Year to all of you, all the best wishes for 2012!
> May the world remain intact, and Flash replace HTML5 as the new web standard 
> ;-)
> 
> Karina
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Dec 2011, at 12:31, Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:
> 
>> Actually that JS, man, she has some pretty nice curves.. (wink)
>> 
>> Me personally, I like HTML + XML + JS + PHP + Flash.
>> They REALLY know how to party together.. :) And when the mood is right they 
>> put on a spectacular show!
>> Just watch out for XML, she likes to tie you up. ;) and well.. you know, 
>> Flash gots' all the toys.
>> After a few go-arounds with any of them and they tell you all their secrets. 
>> (But keep that on the hush hush.. =)
>> You can never have too many Codewatch Babes in your bungalow.. you never 
>> know when one will up and leave... ;)
>> 
>> Make it a real one people!
>> THANK YOU ALL for all your help this last year..
>> See you on the other side.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Karl
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 31, 2011, at 5:59 AM, Peter Ginneberge wrote:
>> 
 With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself another 
 programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by learning something 
 new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long experience on 
 Flash and I do not want to!
>>> 
>>> I understand what you're saying.
>>> When I started learning Java (not so very long ago) I got frustrated by the 
>>> mess that is JSP and Servlets.
>>> That is why I'm so glad I finally found something like GWT to make web apps 
>>> more or less the way I'm used to in Flex (I stopped using Flash around v8).
>>> Meaning, OOP, MVP, etc..
>>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideMvpActivitiesAndPlaces.html
>>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/articles/mvp-architecture.html
>>> 
>>> If you look at this project structure: 
>>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/images/contacts-project-hierarchy.png
>>> That's almost exactly what it would look like in Flex when using Cairngorm 
>>> for instance, but without the Command pattern.
>>> There's libraries out there that do have a Command implementation.
>>> 
>>> And with GWT you can use a declarative xml like structure for layout, close 
>>> to Flex' MXML:
>>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideUiBinder.html
>>> 
 So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
 Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
 What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 5 
 (or other things) will finally realize that with flash you can export to 
 iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the 
 developing process is faster than any other thing done in another 
 programming language?
 
>>> 
>>> I hear ya !
>>> I just love Flex, I really do. The thing is, in a few years time (I'm 
>>> guessing) plugins will be a thing of the past.
>>> Windows 8 is already moving in that direction. So it will simply be a 
>>> matter of: "we don't have a choice."
>>> 
>>> I mentioned this on FlexCoders already. If Adobe - moving away from the 
>>> Flash plugin - would make FlashBuilder into something that spits out 
>>> HTML/JS web apps much like GWT now does with Java, I'd be all over it. And 
>>> I'm sure I'm not the only one :)
>>> 
>>> The power and beauty of ActionScript+MXML to build the apps we're used to 
>>> and not having to touch the ugliness that is JS/HTML.
>>> That'd be my wish for 2012 :)
>>> 
>>> regards,
>>> Muzak
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Ima Newsletta" 
>>> 
>>> To: "Flash Coders List" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick
>>> 
>>> 
 Thanks Muzak,
 Very interesting links!
 
 However I said "easily" :-)
 With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself another 
 programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by learning something 
 new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long experience on 
 Flash and I do not want to!
 
 In some time, performance won't be a trouble at all seen the power of the 
 new devices.
 
 So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
 Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
 What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 5 
 (or other things) will finally realize that with flash you can export to 
 iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the 
 developing process is faster than any other thing done in another 
 programming language?
 
 So right now, I stay with Flash.
>>>

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick

[Karina Steffens]

Happy New Year to all of you, all the best wishes for 2012!
May the world remain intact, and Flash replace HTML5 as the new web standard ;-)

Karina



On 31 Dec 2011, at 12:31, Karl DeSaulniers  wrote:

> Actually that JS, man, she has some pretty nice curves.. (wink)
> 
> Me personally, I like HTML + XML + JS + PHP + Flash.
> They REALLY know how to party together.. :) And when the mood is right they 
> put on a spectacular show!
> Just watch out for XML, she likes to tie you up. ;) and well.. you know, 
> Flash gots' all the toys.
> After a few go-arounds with any of them and they tell you all their secrets. 
> (But keep that on the hush hush.. =)
> You can never have too many Codewatch Babes in your bungalow.. you never know 
> when one will up and leave... ;)
> 
> Make it a real one people!
> THANK YOU ALL for all your help this last year..
> See you on the other side.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Karl
> 
> 
> On Dec 31, 2011, at 5:59 AM, Peter Ginneberge wrote:
> 
>>> With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself another 
>>> programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by learning something 
>>> new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long experience on 
>>> Flash and I do not want to!
>> 
>> I understand what you're saying.
>> When I started learning Java (not so very long ago) I got frustrated by the 
>> mess that is JSP and Servlets.
>> That is why I'm so glad I finally found something like GWT to make web apps 
>> more or less the way I'm used to in Flex (I stopped using Flash around v8).
>> Meaning, OOP, MVP, etc..
>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideMvpActivitiesAndPlaces.html
>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/articles/mvp-architecture.html
>> 
>> If you look at this project structure: 
>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/images/contacts-project-hierarchy.png
>> That's almost exactly what it would look like in Flex when using Cairngorm 
>> for instance, but without the Command pattern.
>> There's libraries out there that do have a Command implementation.
>> 
>> And with GWT you can use a declarative xml like structure for layout, close 
>> to Flex' MXML:
>> http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideUiBinder.html
>> 
>>> So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
>>> Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
>>> What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 5 
>>> (or other things) will finally realize that with flash you can export to 
>>> iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the 
>>> developing process is faster than any other thing done in another 
>>> programming language?
>>> 
>> 
>> I hear ya !
>> I just love Flex, I really do. The thing is, in a few years time (I'm 
>> guessing) plugins will be a thing of the past.
>> Windows 8 is already moving in that direction. So it will simply be a matter 
>> of: "we don't have a choice."
>> 
>> I mentioned this on FlexCoders already. If Adobe - moving away from the 
>> Flash plugin - would make FlashBuilder into something that spits out HTML/JS 
>> web apps much like GWT now does with Java, I'd be all over it. And I'm sure 
>> I'm not the only one :)
>> 
>> The power and beauty of ActionScript+MXML to build the apps we're used to 
>> and not having to touch the ugliness that is JS/HTML.
>> That'd be my wish for 2012 :)
>> 
>> regards,
>> Muzak
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Ima Newsletta" 
>> 
>> To: "Flash Coders List" 
>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick
>> 
>> 
>>> Thanks Muzak,
>>> Very interesting links!
>>> 
>>> However I said "easily" :-)
>>> With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself another 
>>> programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by learning something 
>>> new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long experience on 
>>> Flash and I do not want to!
>>> 
>>> In some time, performance won't be a trouble at all seen the power of the 
>>> new devices.
>>> 
>>> So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
>>> Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
>>> What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 5 
>>> (or other things) will finally realize that with flash you can export to 
>>> iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the 
>>> developing process is faster than any other thing done in another 
>>> programming language?
>>> 
>>> So right now, I stay with Flash.
>>> 
>>> Happy new year to everyone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Il 31/12/2011 03:27, Peter Ginneberge ha scritto:
 Sorry for the late reply..
 
> With your new chicks can you easily make web apps, desktop apps, android 
> apps and ios apps?
 
 Yup, except for desktop.
 
 Once compiled, they're plain HTML/JS apps.
 Mind you, I haven't done any Android and/or iOS apps  with GWT yet.
 
 Jus

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick

[Karl DeSaulniers]

Actually that JS, man, she has some pretty nice curves.. (wink)

Me personally, I like HTML + XML + JS + PHP + Flash.
They REALLY know how to party together.. :) And when the mood is right  
they put on a spectacular show!
Just watch out for XML, she likes to tie you up. ;) and well.. you  
know, Flash gots' all the toys.
After a few go-arounds with any of them and they tell you all their  
secrets. (But keep that on the hush hush.. =)
You can never have too many Codewatch Babes in your bungalow.. you  
never know when one will up and leave... ;)


Make it a real one people!
THANK YOU ALL for all your help this last year..
See you on the other side.

Best,

Karl


On Dec 31, 2011, at 5:59 AM, Peter Ginneberge wrote:

With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself  
another programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by  
learning something new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all  
my long experience on Flash and I do not want to!


I understand what you're saying.
When I started learning Java (not so very long ago) I got frustrated  
by the mess that is JSP and Servlets.
That is why I'm so glad I finally found something like GWT to make  
web apps more or less the way I'm used to in Flex (I stopped using  
Flash around v8).

Meaning, OOP, MVP, etc..
http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideMvpActivitiesAndPlaces.html
http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/articles/mvp-architecture.html

If you look at this project structure: 
http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/images/contacts-project-hierarchy.png
That's almost exactly what it would look like in Flex when using  
Cairngorm for instance, but without the Command pattern.

There's libraries out there that do have a Command implementation.

And with GWT you can use a declarative xml like structure for  
layout, close to Flex' MXML:

http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideUiBinder.html


So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on  
html 5 (or other things) will finally realize that with flash you  
can export to iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for  
this reason the developing process is faster than any other thing  
done in another programming language?




I hear ya !
I just love Flex, I really do. The thing is, in a few years time  
(I'm guessing) plugins will be a thing of the past.
Windows 8 is already moving in that direction. So it will simply be  
a matter of: "we don't have a choice."


I mentioned this on FlexCoders already. If Adobe - moving away from  
the Flash plugin - would make FlashBuilder into something that spits  
out HTML/JS web apps much like GWT now does with Java, I'd be all  
over it. And I'm sure I'm not the only one :)


The power and beauty of ActionScript+MXML to build the apps we're  
used to and not having to touch the ugliness that is JS/HTML.

That'd be my wish for 2012 :)

regards,
Muzak



- Original Message - From: "Ima Newsletta" >

To: "Flash Coders List" 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick



Thanks Muzak,
Very interesting links!

However I said "easily" :-)
With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself  
another programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by  
learning something new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all  
my long experience on Flash and I do not want to!


In some time, performance won't be a trouble at all seen the power  
of the new devices.


So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on  
html 5 (or other things) will finally realize that with flash you  
can export to iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for  
this reason the developing process is faster than any other thing  
done in another programming language?


So right now, I stay with Flash.

Happy new year to everyone.


Il 31/12/2011 03:27, Peter Ginneberge ha scritto:

Sorry for the late reply..

With your new chicks can you easily make web apps, desktop apps,  
android apps and ios apps?


Yup, except for desktop.

Once compiled, they're plain HTML/JS apps.
Mind you, I haven't done any Android and/or iOS apps  with GWT yet.

Just goodle "GTW ios" for instance and you'll find the stuff you  
need.


Here's a "how-to" - note the date --> 2007.
http://code.google.com/intl/en/webtoolkit/articles/gwt-iphone.html
The article is for GWT 1.4. The current version is 2.4 and alot  
has changed (improved) since then.


And there's all sorts of additional libraries available for all  
kinds of development.

Smart GWT: http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/
GWT Mobile: http://code.google.com/p/gwt-mobile-webkit/
Ext GWT: http://www.sencha.com/products/extgwt/
etc..

As for desktop apps,

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick

[Peter Ginneberge]

With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself another programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by 
learning something new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long experience on Flash and I do not want to!


I understand what you're saying.
When I started learning Java (not so very long ago) I got frustrated by the 
mess that is JSP and Servlets.
That is why I'm so glad I finally found something like GWT to make web apps more or less the way I'm used to in Flex (I stopped 
using Flash around v8).

Meaning, OOP, MVP, etc..
http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideMvpActivitiesAndPlaces.html
http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/articles/mvp-architecture.html

If you look at this project structure: 
http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/images/contacts-project-hierarchy.png
That's almost exactly what it would look like in Flex when using Cairngorm for 
instance, but without the Command pattern.
There's libraries out there that do have a Command implementation.

And with GWT you can use a declarative xml like structure for layout, close to 
Flex' MXML:
http://code.google.com/intl/nl/webtoolkit/doc/latest/DevGuideUiBinder.html


So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 5 (or other things) will finally realize that with flash 
you can export to iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the developing process is faster than any other 
thing done in another programming language?




I hear ya !
I just love Flex, I really do. The thing is, in a few years time (I'm guessing) 
plugins will be a thing of the past.
Windows 8 is already moving in that direction. So it will simply be a matter of: "we 
don't have a choice."

I mentioned this on FlexCoders already. If Adobe - moving away from the Flash plugin - would make FlashBuilder into something that 
spits out HTML/JS web apps much like GWT now does with Java, I'd be all over it. And I'm sure I'm not the only one :)


The power and beauty of ActionScript+MXML to build the apps we're used to and 
not having to touch the ugliness that is JS/HTML.
That'd be my wish for 2012 :)

regards,
Muzak



- Original Message - 
From: "Ima Newsletta" 

To: "Flash Coders List" 
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick



Thanks Muzak,
Very interesting links!

However I said "easily" :-)
With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself another programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by 
learning something new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long experience on Flash and I do not want to!


In some time, performance won't be a trouble at all seen the power of the new 
devices.

So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 5 (or other things) will finally realize that with flash 
you can export to iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the developing process is faster than any other 
thing done in another programming language?


So right now, I stay with Flash.

Happy new year to everyone.


Il 31/12/2011 03:27, Peter Ginneberge ha scritto:

Sorry for the late reply..


With your new chicks can you easily make web apps, desktop apps, android apps 
and ios apps?


Yup, except for desktop.

Once compiled, they're plain HTML/JS apps.
Mind you, I haven't done any Android and/or iOS apps  with GWT yet.

Just goodle "GTW ios" for instance and you'll find the stuff you need.

Here's a "how-to" - note the date --> 2007.
http://code.google.com/intl/en/webtoolkit/articles/gwt-iphone.html
The article is for GWT 1.4. The current version is 2.4 and alot has changed 
(improved) since then.

And there's all sorts of additional libraries available for all kinds of 
development.
Smart GWT: http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/
GWT Mobile: http://code.google.com/p/gwt-mobile-webkit/
Ext GWT: http://www.sencha.com/products/extgwt/
etc..

As for desktop apps, you could wrap your GWT with AIR :)

regards,
Muzak





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Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick

[tom rhodes]

my take on this is that you shouldn't be scared to learn a new language,
they come and go, your long experience in flash is also a long experience
in programming gui's and games and apps. the fundamentals of all these
things stay the same, no matter what the language. your experience is not
wasted. i actually think it's pretty funny that some of the canvas examples
that some people are really impressed with could have been done easily in
flash 5 ;) so in some ways you will be ahead of the game a little bit too.

On 31 December 2011 10:12, Ima Newsletta  wrote:

> Thanks Muzak,
> Very interesting links!
>
> However I said "easily" :-)
> With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself another
> programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by learning something
> new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long experience on
> Flash and I do not want to!
>
> In some time, performance won't be a trouble at all seen the power of the
> new devices.
>
> So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
> Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
> What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 5
> (or other things) will finally realize that with flash you can export to
> iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the
> developing process is faster than any other thing done in another
> programming language?
>
> So right now, I stay with Flash.
>
> Happy new year to everyone.
>
>
> Il 31/12/2011 03:27, Peter Ginneberge ha scritto:
>
>  Sorry for the late reply..
>>
>>  With your new chicks can you easily make web apps, desktop apps, android
>>> apps and ios apps?
>>>
>>
>> Yup, except for desktop.
>>
>> Once compiled, they're plain HTML/JS apps.
>> Mind you, I haven't done any Android and/or iOS apps  with GWT yet.
>>
>> Just goodle "GTW ios" for instance and you'll find the stuff you need.
>>
>> Here's a "how-to" - note the date --> 2007.
>> http://code.google.com/intl/**en/webtoolkit/articles/gwt-**iphone.html
>> The article is for GWT 1.4. The current version is 2.4 and alot has
>> changed (improved) since then.
>>
>> And there's all sorts of additional libraries available for all kinds of
>> development.
>> Smart GWT: 
>> http://code.google.com/p/**smartgwt/
>> GWT Mobile: 
>> http://code.google.com/p/gwt-**mobile-webkit/
>> Ext GWT: 
>> http://www.sencha.com/**products/extgwt/
>> etc..
>>
>> As for desktop apps, you could wrap your GWT with AIR :)
>>
>> regards,
>> Muzak
>>
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Ima Newsletta" <
>> bignewsletter...@gmail.com>
>> To: "Flash Coders List" 
>> 
>> >
>> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick
>>
>>
>>  If you leave that chick, she can be all mine then.
>>> With your new chicks can you easily make web apps, desktop apps, android
>>> apps and ios apps?
>>>
>>>
>>> Il 29/12/2011 05:32, Peter Ginneberge ha scritto:
>>>
 Sure, we're never getting back in an exclusive relationship, but as
> long as she's willing to party, I'll keep her around until I find my next
> true love.
>
>
 Already found mine. She's called GWT and she rocks. Still a bit rough
 around the edges, but she's getting there.
 Now if Flex (FlashBuilder) would do the things GWT does, I'd be willing
 to take her back.

 And oh yeah, if you wanna hang with GWT, you have to get in bed with
 Java as well.. but I don't mind that at all :)

 Muzak

 ps: GWT -> Google Web Toolkit
 http://code.google.com/intl/**en/webtoolkit/

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Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick

[Ima Newsletta]

Thanks Muzak,
Very interesting links!

However I said "easily" :-)
With "easily" I was meaning that you do not have to teach yourself 
another programming language: more than that, I'm not scared by learning 
something new, I'm scared by the fact that I will lose all my long 
experience on Flash and I do not want to!


In some time, performance won't be a trouble at all seen the power of 
the new devices.


So why must I dismiss such a powerful thing like Flash?
Just because it's fancy to say "Flash is dead"?
What wil happen when softwarehouses that right now are focusing on html 
5 (or other things) will finally realize that with flash you can export 
to iPhone, iPad and Android with a simple click and for this reason the 
developing process is faster than any other thing done in another 
programming language?


So right now, I stay with Flash.

Happy new year to everyone.


Il 31/12/2011 03:27, Peter Ginneberge ha scritto:

Sorry for the late reply..

With your new chicks can you easily make web apps, desktop apps, 
android apps and ios apps?


Yup, except for desktop.

Once compiled, they're plain HTML/JS apps.
Mind you, I haven't done any Android and/or iOS apps  with GWT yet.

Just goodle "GTW ios" for instance and you'll find the stuff you need.

Here's a "how-to" - note the date --> 2007.
http://code.google.com/intl/en/webtoolkit/articles/gwt-iphone.html
The article is for GWT 1.4. The current version is 2.4 and alot has 
changed (improved) since then.


And there's all sorts of additional libraries available for all kinds 
of development.

Smart GWT: http://code.google.com/p/smartgwt/
GWT Mobile: http://code.google.com/p/gwt-mobile-webkit/
Ext GWT: http://www.sencha.com/products/extgwt/
etc..

As for desktop apps, you could wrap your GWT with AIR :)

regards,
Muzak


- Original Message - From: "Ima Newsletta" 


To: "Flash Coders List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe is my down-ass chick



If you leave that chick, she can be all mine then.
With your new chicks can you easily make web apps, desktop apps, 
android apps and ios apps?



Il 29/12/2011 05:32, Peter Ginneberge ha scritto:
Sure, we're never getting back in an exclusive relationship, but as 
long as she's willing to party, I'll keep her around until I find 
my next true love.




Already found mine. She's called GWT and she rocks. Still a bit 
rough around the edges, but she's getting there.
Now if Flex (FlashBuilder) would do the things GWT does, I'd be 
willing to take her back.


And oh yeah, if you wanna hang with GWT, you have to get in bed with 
Java as well.. but I don't mind that at all :)


Muzak

ps: GWT -> Google Web Toolkit
http://code.google.com/intl/en/webtoolkit/


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