Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
i'm having a difficult time getting it to download fullydownload stops halfway through...anybody else have this problem??? p On 6/20/07, Jon Bradley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 19, 2007, at 4:31 PM, JulianG wrote: I saw this coming... Once Adobe take over Macromedia, things would start to happen. Bad things, I mean. Still searching to see what can be defined as bad in this thread. How come Flash CS3 Installer is over 400 MB, when Flash 8 was only 110 MB?? While I'm writing this the application in being installed (less than 50% progress). How is it possible that it's taking AGES to do finish! Cause it's a large install and there are a lot of pieces. Hundred thousand or so lines of code just for the class support and thousands of documents for help alone. If it were one large file it'd take only a few minutes to write. Rather, it's thousands upon thousands of files. That is what takes a long time to install - hard drives do not function efficiently with read/write on tons of tiny files. They are efficient on large files. And if your drive is fragmented... oh boy, have fun with that. It almost seems like I was installing... I don't know Photoshop, or some other buggy Adobe software. Oh! s**t I am! I mean honestly, why do I keep reading things about Adobe products being so buggy. Photoshop and Adobe products are some of the least buggy software products around. Consider yourself lucky. I'm scared! I hope they don't screw it with the Flash Player. That'd be quite harmful for us. I think. I don't see people updating Flash Player if it's 30MB or annoying in some other way. That won't happen. There's a very explicit development process when adding features or adjusting the Flash Player. The team has very detailed requirements for coding and there are, I imagine, impact analyses for every addition to the Player. Perhaps you guys had this discussion some time ago. Do you have any URLs I can read about this, so I can find out if it is just me paranoid? Paranoid. Who cares if the installer is big? Honestly. Get a bigger hard drive. 400 MB for an installer is a drop in the bucket. Even a couple gigs is a drop in the bucket with the size of drives today. cheers, jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
On Jun 19, 2007, at 4:31 PM, JulianG wrote: I saw this coming... Once Adobe take over Macromedia, things would start to happen. Bad things, I mean. Still searching to see what can be defined as bad in this thread. How come Flash CS3 Installer is over 400 MB, when Flash 8 was only 110 MB?? While I'm writing this the application in being installed (less than 50% progress). How is it possible that it's taking AGES to do finish! Cause it's a large install and there are a lot of pieces. Hundred thousand or so lines of code just for the class support and thousands of documents for help alone. If it were one large file it'd take only a few minutes to write. Rather, it's thousands upon thousands of files. That is what takes a long time to install - hard drives do not function efficiently with read/write on tons of tiny files. They are efficient on large files. And if your drive is fragmented... oh boy, have fun with that. It almost seems like I was installing... I don't know Photoshop, or some other buggy Adobe software. Oh! s**t I am! I mean honestly, why do I keep reading things about Adobe products being so buggy. Photoshop and Adobe products are some of the least buggy software products around. Consider yourself lucky. I'm scared! I hope they don't screw it with the Flash Player. That'd be quite harmful for us. I think. I don't see people updating Flash Player if it's 30MB or annoying in some other way. That won't happen. There's a very explicit development process when adding features or adjusting the Flash Player. The team has very detailed requirements for coding and there are, I imagine, impact analyses for every addition to the Player. Perhaps you guys had this discussion some time ago. Do you have any URLs I can read about this, so I can find out if it is just me paranoid? Paranoid. Who cares if the installer is big? Honestly. Get a bigger hard drive. 400 MB for an installer is a drop in the bucket. Even a couple gigs is a drop in the bucket with the size of drives today. cheers, jon ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
I think it's interesting to note that additional Adobe CS 3 software, will not take as long to install, since there are many common files shared between all the CS 3 stuff. Still, it is pretty slow. Maybe Adobe could find a way to put all those tiny files into some kind of larger single file package. Kevin N. JulianG wrote: I saw this coming... Once Adobe take over Macromedia, things would start to happen. Bad things, I mean. How come Flash CS3 Installer is over 400 MB, when Flash 8 was only 110 MB?? While I'm writing this the application in being installed (less than 50% progress). How is it possible that it's taking AGES to do finish! It almost seems like I was installing... I don't know Photoshop, or some other buggy Adobe software. Oh! s**t I am! I'm scared! I hope they don't screw it with the Flash Player. That'd be quite harmful for us. I think. I don't see people updating Flash Player if it's 30MB or annoying in some other way. Perhaps you guys had this discussion some time ago. Do you have any URLs I can read about this, so I can find out if it is just me paranoid? Thanks, JulianG ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
I think it's interesting to note that additional Adobe CS 3 software, will not take as long to install, since there are many common files shared between all the CS 3 stuff. Still, it is pretty slow. Maybe Adobe could find a way to put all those tiny files into some kind of larger single file package. Kevin N. JulianG wrote: I saw this coming... Once Adobe take over Macromedia, things would start to happen. Bad things, I mean. How come Flash CS3 Installer is over 400 MB, when Flash 8 was only 110 MB?? While I'm writing this the application in being installed (less than 50% progress). How is it possible that it's taking AGES to do finish! It almost seems like I was installing... I don't know Photoshop, or some other buggy Adobe software. Oh! s**t I am! I'm scared! I hope they don't screw it with the Flash Player. That'd be quite harmful for us. I think. I don't see people updating Flash Player if it's 30MB or annoying in some other way. Perhaps you guys had this discussion some time ago. Do you have any URLs I can read about this, so I can find out if it is just me paranoid? Thanks, JulianG ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
Can I just mention that I was totally disgusted that the installer now refuses to install on my secondary laptop, due to it being below the minimum spec. I actually switched to using Corel Draw on that machine. I never thought I'd ever admit to that in a public forum. Alias On 19/06/07, Muzak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The install size has indeed increased. That's because you're no longer just installing Flash but a whole bunch of (use your imagination) that is needed for integrating with other Adobe products. And yes, it takes forever to install (at least it did here). I had to uninstall a CS3 suite from my laptop which took hours (seriously). They need to look into this if you ask me. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: JulianG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install! I saw this coming... Once Adobe take over Macromedia, things would start to happen. Bad things, I mean. How come Flash CS3 Installer is over 400 MB, when Flash 8 was only 110 MB?? While I'm writing this the application in being installed (less than 50% progress). How is it possible that it's taking AGES to do finish! It almost seems like I was installing... I don't know Photoshop, or some other buggy Adobe software. Oh! s**t I am! I'm scared! I hope they don't screw it with the Flash Player. That'd be quite harmful for us. I think. I don't see people updating Flash Player if it's 30MB or annoying in some other way. Perhaps you guys had this discussion some time ago. Do you have any URLs I can read about this, so I can find out if it is just me paranoid? Thanks, JulianG ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
A Bad thing is having to allot 1200 MB for things you don't need. (Flash 8 requires just 190 MB.) I know why the file is 400MB! I know there are millions of files in it. I know that's why it takes so long to install. The point is: should it be done that way? should there be so many files in it? Should we be compelled to install the entire thing without being able to opt-out on some components? I think in their attempt to integrate Flash with other Adobe products (which only designers use), they are forgetting about developers and coders who just need the Flash IDE to open a FLA file and publish it after having coded their scripts using some external text editor. Those people don't need PSD import or most integration tools. And they don't like having to install 1.2 GB of things they won't ever use, and spend hours doing so. The argument that today's hard disks are larger, and that 1.2 GB is not a lot, is missing the point. It's not about whether I can store 1.2GB or not. It's about whether I should allot 1.2GB for things I don't care about or not. It's about giving users the right to choose. Get a bigger hard drive. To store your rubbish? No thanks! You're not listening! Many people is complaining about this. So please! Add options to the installation process, so some people can have a light and healthy Flash installation. Ok. It's good to know WHY the thing is so big. (thanks to some Adobe people who replied). And it's good to know THAT THEY KNOW the thing is too big. And that they will try to make it right next time. Good thing is that I only installed the trial version in my second PC, and fortunately I didn't contaminate my personal computer with it. I'm seriously considering not using the product at all. At least until I feel forced to do so. cheers, JulianG ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
Sooner or later many of us have to be brutally honest and reveal things about ourselves and our lives that we would rather keep secret. -Original Message- From: AliasT [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:28 AM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install! Can I just mention that I was totally disgusted that the installer now refuses to install on my secondary laptop, due to it being below the minimum spec. I actually switched to using Corel Draw on that machine. I never thought I'd ever admit to that in a public forum. Alias ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
Installing Master Edition is going to be fun then... Anyway I suppose you ain't using Vista either? I also comes a lot of crap I don't need and you can't option out that either. Same thing for OSX g Yours, Weyert ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
[Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
I saw this coming... Once Adobe take over Macromedia, things would start to happen. Bad things, I mean. How come Flash CS3 Installer is over 400 MB, when Flash 8 was only 110 MB?? While I'm writing this the application in being installed (less than 50% progress). How is it possible that it's taking AGES to do finish! It almost seems like I was installing... I don't know Photoshop, or some other buggy Adobe software. Oh! s**t I am! I'm scared! I hope they don't screw it with the Flash Player. That'd be quite harmful for us. I think. I don't see people updating Flash Player if it's 30MB or annoying in some other way. Perhaps you guys had this discussion some time ago. Do you have any URLs I can read about this, so I can find out if it is just me paranoid? Thanks, JulianG ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
Do you have any URLs I can read about this, if it is just me paranoid? It's the latter. Jason Merrill Bank of America GTO Learning Leadership Development eTools Multimedia Team ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
JulianG wrote: How come Flash CS3 Installer is over 400 MB, when Flash 8 was only 110 MB?? One of the big contributors is the .PSD import... it essentially contains the Photoshop rendering engine. Color management, type libraries, things like that were other big additions. That said, I'm in a meeting right now where we're talking about improving the installation experience for the next generation... the installation *is* pretty big right now, and we're looking for ways to provide similar capabilities at lower cost in the future. jd -- John Dowdell . Adobe Developer Support . San Francisco CA USA Weblog: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/jd Aggregator: http://weblogs.macromedia.com/mxna Technotes: http://www.macromedia.com/support/ Spam killed my private email -- public record is best, thanks. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
The install size has indeed increased. That's because you're no longer just installing Flash but a whole bunch of (use your imagination) that is needed for integrating with other Adobe products. And yes, it takes forever to install (at least it did here). I had to uninstall a CS3 suite from my laptop which took hours (seriously). They need to look into this if you ask me. regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: JulianG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 10:31 PM Subject: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install! I saw this coming... Once Adobe take over Macromedia, things would start to happen. Bad things, I mean. How come Flash CS3 Installer is over 400 MB, when Flash 8 was only 110 MB?? While I'm writing this the application in being installed (less than 50% progress). How is it possible that it's taking AGES to do finish! It almost seems like I was installing... I don't know Photoshop, or some other buggy Adobe software. Oh! s**t I am! I'm scared! I hope they don't screw it with the Flash Player. That'd be quite harmful for us. I think. I don't see people updating Flash Player if it's 30MB or annoying in some other way. Perhaps you guys had this discussion some time ago. Do you have any URLs I can read about this, so I can find out if it is just me paranoid? Thanks, JulianG ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
I would suggest having enhancements be optional installations akin to Plug-Ins or Extensions. -Original Message- From: John Dowdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2007 5:23 PM To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install! JulianG wrote: How come Flash CS3 Installer is over 400 MB, when Flash 8 was only 110 MB?? One of the big contributors is the .PSD import... it essentially contains the Photoshop rendering engine. Color management, type libraries, things like that were other big additions. That said, I'm in a meeting right now where we're talking about improving the installation experience for the next generation... the installation *is* pretty big right now, and we're looking for ways to provide similar capabilities at lower cost in the future. jd ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Flash CS3 over 400 MB! and 25 minutes to install!
John, thanks for your reply. Here's a tip. Provide installation options so users can choose which components to install. I believe some developers don't care about PSD import or other designer tools. I don't. I usually work with someone else's artwork which is delivered to me in a FLA file. My work is usually a couple of hundred KB (mostly scripts). So it doesn't really make sense to me that the installation requires 1.2 GB of disk space. I usually copy artwork from one FLA to another, arrange things in different MovieClips, I link them to classes and then I use FlashDevelop to write my scripts. So I figure out many people like me don't really need a gigantic IDE. Just the basics. Thanks again for explaining. cheers, JulianG ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
