Re: [Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools
anyone using Zend? http://www.zend.com/en/products/studio/features Kenneth, thanks for bringing Dreamweaver up. I have been using it for years and have been happy enough, but I'm checking out phpStorm right now myself and so far, I would have to agree that it's an improvement. I'm always leery of the fan boy mentality - sometimes to my own detriment. So often there is too much hype and too little substance. New technologies and tools seem to be consumed like crack. However, sometimes there really is a better tool. Maybe phpStorm? Maybe Zend? Thanks all. Kurt On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 5:10 AM, Kenneth Kawamoto wrote: > For what I do phpStorm looks perfect - it supports JS/jQuery and SASS, and > it has FTP/SVN client. I'll try it out. Thanks guys. > > Kenneth Kawamoto > http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ > > > > On 23 May 2013, at 23:35, Rick Hassen wrote: > > > if you really like Webstorm, some understand it to be a stripped down > version of phpStorm (both by JetBrains): > > http://www.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/ > > > > > > > >> From: kennethkawam...@gmail.com > >> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > >> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools > >> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 23:23:53 +0100 > >> CC: > >> > >> Webstorm doesn't support PHP :( > >> > >> Kenneth Kawamoto > >> http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On 23 May 2013, at 17:35, Jon Bradley wrote: > >> > >>> There are many better alternatives for professional coding that > >>> include automated building, unit testing, support for SCSS and LESS, > >>> grunt, etc. I wouldn't consider Dreamweaver a serious platform for > >>> building web applications. Useful for some, certainly, but there are > >>> many better options out there. > >>> > >>> Probably the best for those that aren't vested in the Visual Studio > >>> platform: > >>> http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ > >>> > >>> Second best (by the same company): > >>> http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/ > >>> > >>> For just text editor usage, for the most part: > >>> > >>> http://www.sublimetext.com/ > >>> http://macrabbit.com/espresso/ > >>> > >>> I'd personally stay way away from Dreamweaver. It keeps you bound to > >>> a low quality workflow that's not scalable or efficient. > >>> > >>> -j > >>> > >>> > >>> On May 23, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Kenneth Kawamoto < > kennethkawam...@gmail.com > >>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I know it's a long tradition to laugh at Dreamweaver as substandard > >>>> tool, but I actually use it daily, for two reasons: > >>>> 1. Comprehensive jQuery auto-completion/code-hint as well as PHP > >>>> 2. Built-in FTP & SVN client > >>>> Obviously never touch the WYSIWYG editor. > >>>> > >>>> Please let me know if there are alternative with above equipped. I > >>>> don't like to be laughed at. But I know none. > >>>> > >>>> Kenneth Kawamoto > >>>> http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 23 May 2013, at 16:17, James Merrill wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I've been moving to StackOverflow for questions, and Reddit's coding > >>>>> subreddits for general programming discussion Here's a URL that > >>>>> bundles a > >>>>> bunch of good programming subreddits: > >>>>> > http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev+web_design+html+css+programming+learnprogramming+design+ProgrammerHumor+html5 > >>>>> > >>>>> As for an IDE, I would highly discourage you from using > >>>>> Dreamweaver. There > >>>>> are much better tools that are cheap/free. I am currently using > >>>>> Aptana, > >>>>> which is Eclipse based and contains tons of helpful features. I am > >>>>> moving > >>>>> towards using SublimeText as my primary IDE. It's extremely > >>>>> streamlined and > >>>>> elegant, and I highly suggest checking it out. Adobe has been > >>>>> working on an > >>>>> IDE called Brackets that looks pretty cool too. > >>>>
Re: [Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools
For what I do phpStorm looks perfect - it supports JS/jQuery and SASS, and it has FTP/SVN client. I'll try it out. Thanks guys. Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 23 May 2013, at 23:35, Rick Hassen wrote: > if you really like Webstorm, some understand it to be a stripped down version > of phpStorm (both by JetBrains): > http://www.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/ > > > >> From: kennethkawam...@gmail.com >> To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools >> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 23:23:53 +0100 >> CC: >> >> Webstorm doesn't support PHP :( >> >> Kenneth Kawamoto >> http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ >> >> >> >> >> On 23 May 2013, at 17:35, Jon Bradley wrote: >> >>> There are many better alternatives for professional coding that >>> include automated building, unit testing, support for SCSS and LESS, >>> grunt, etc. I wouldn't consider Dreamweaver a serious platform for >>> building web applications. Useful for some, certainly, but there are >>> many better options out there. >>> >>> Probably the best for those that aren't vested in the Visual Studio >>> platform: >>> http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ >>> >>> Second best (by the same company): >>> http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/ >>> >>> For just text editor usage, for the most part: >>> >>> http://www.sublimetext.com/ >>> http://macrabbit.com/espresso/ >>> >>> I'd personally stay way away from Dreamweaver. It keeps you bound to >>> a low quality workflow that's not scalable or efficient. >>> >>> -j >>> >>> >>> On May 23, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Kenneth Kawamoto >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I know it's a long tradition to laugh at Dreamweaver as substandard >>>> tool, but I actually use it daily, for two reasons: >>>> 1. Comprehensive jQuery auto-completion/code-hint as well as PHP >>>> 2. Built-in FTP & SVN client >>>> Obviously never touch the WYSIWYG editor. >>>> >>>> Please let me know if there are alternative with above equipped. I >>>> don't like to be laughed at. But I know none. >>>> >>>> Kenneth Kawamoto >>>> http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23 May 2013, at 16:17, James Merrill wrote: >>>> >>>>> I've been moving to StackOverflow for questions, and Reddit's coding >>>>> subreddits for general programming discussion Here's a URL that >>>>> bundles a >>>>> bunch of good programming subreddits: >>>>> http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev+web_design+html+css+programming+learnprogramming+design+ProgrammerHumor+html5 >>>>> >>>>> As for an IDE, I would highly discourage you from using >>>>> Dreamweaver. There >>>>> are much better tools that are cheap/free. I am currently using >>>>> Aptana, >>>>> which is Eclipse based and contains tons of helpful features. I am >>>>> moving >>>>> towards using SublimeText as my primary IDE. It's extremely >>>>> streamlined and >>>>> elegant, and I highly suggest checking it out. Adobe has been >>>>> working on an >>>>> IDE called Brackets that looks pretty cool too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kerry Thompson >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get >>>>>> JavaScript >>>>>> under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a lot of >>>>>> development time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the >>>>>> programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn >>>>>> world have >>>>>> moved to a Facebook group. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cordially, >>>>>> >>>>>> Kerry Thompson >>>>>> On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I kn
RE: [Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools
if you really like Webstorm, some understand it to be a stripped down version of phpStorm (both by JetBrains): http://www.jetbrains.com/phpstorm/ > From: kennethkawam...@gmail.com > To: flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools > Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 23:23:53 +0100 > CC: > > Webstorm doesn't support PHP :( > > Kenneth Kawamoto > http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ > > > > > On 23 May 2013, at 17:35, Jon Bradley wrote: > > > There are many better alternatives for professional coding that > > include automated building, unit testing, support for SCSS and LESS, > > grunt, etc. I wouldn't consider Dreamweaver a serious platform for > > building web applications. Useful for some, certainly, but there are > > many better options out there. > > > > Probably the best for those that aren't vested in the Visual Studio > > platform: > > http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ > > > > Second best (by the same company): > > http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/ > > > > For just text editor usage, for the most part: > > > > http://www.sublimetext.com/ > > http://macrabbit.com/espresso/ > > > > I'd personally stay way away from Dreamweaver. It keeps you bound to > > a low quality workflow that's not scalable or efficient. > > > > -j > > > > > > On May 23, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Kenneth Kawamoto > > wrote: > > > >> I know it's a long tradition to laugh at Dreamweaver as substandard > >> tool, but I actually use it daily, for two reasons: > >> 1. Comprehensive jQuery auto-completion/code-hint as well as PHP > >> 2. Built-in FTP & SVN client > >> Obviously never touch the WYSIWYG editor. > >> > >> Please let me know if there are alternative with above equipped. I > >> don't like to be laughed at. But I know none. > >> > >> Kenneth Kawamoto > >> http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ > >> > >> > >> > >> On 23 May 2013, at 16:17, James Merrill wrote: > >> > >>> I've been moving to StackOverflow for questions, and Reddit's coding > >>> subreddits for general programming discussion Here's a URL that > >>> bundles a > >>> bunch of good programming subreddits: > >>> http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev+web_design+html+css+programming+learnprogramming+design+ProgrammerHumor+html5 > >>> > >>> As for an IDE, I would highly discourage you from using > >>> Dreamweaver. There > >>> are much better tools that are cheap/free. I am currently using > >>> Aptana, > >>> which is Eclipse based and contains tons of helpful features. I am > >>> moving > >>> towards using SublimeText as my primary IDE. It's extremely > >>> streamlined and > >>> elegant, and I highly suggest checking it out. Adobe has been > >>> working on an > >>> IDE called Brackets that looks pretty cool too. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kerry Thompson >>> >wrote: > >>> > >>>> I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get > >>>> JavaScript > >>>> under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a lot of > >>>> development time. > >>>> > >>>> Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the > >>>> programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn > >>>> world have > >>>> moved to a Facebook group. > >>>> > >>>> Cordially, > >>>> > >>>> Kerry Thompson > >>>> On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/ > >>>>> JavaScript. Google > >>>>> reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to take > >>>> advantage > >>>>> of the experience on this list to get some advice on good > >>>>> quality lists > >>>>> like > >>>>> this one. I also would like recommendations for (Windows) IDE's > >>>>> for > >>>>> JavaScript, or general HTML5 development including all the > >>>>> supporting > >
Re: [Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools
Need to step up to IntelliJ for that. On May 23, 2013, at 6:23 PM, Kenneth Kawamoto wrote: > Webstorm doesn't support PHP :( > > Kenneth Kawamoto > http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ > > > > > On 23 May 2013, at 17:35, Jon Bradley wrote: > >> There are many better alternatives for professional coding that include >> automated building, unit testing, support for SCSS and LESS, grunt, etc. I >> wouldn't consider Dreamweaver a serious platform for building web >> applications. Useful for some, certainly, but there are many better options >> out there. >> >> Probably the best for those that aren't vested in the Visual Studio platform: >> http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ >> >> Second best (by the same company): >> http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/ >> >> For just text editor usage, for the most part: >> >> http://www.sublimetext.com/ >> http://macrabbit.com/espresso/ >> >> I'd personally stay way away from Dreamweaver. It keeps you bound to a low >> quality workflow that's not scalable or efficient. >> >> -j >> >> >> On May 23, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Kenneth Kawamoto >> wrote: >> >>> I know it's a long tradition to laugh at Dreamweaver as substandard tool, >>> but I actually use it daily, for two reasons: >>> 1. Comprehensive jQuery auto-completion/code-hint as well as PHP >>> 2. Built-in FTP & SVN client >>> Obviously never touch the WYSIWYG editor. >>> >>> Please let me know if there are alternative with above equipped. I don't >>> like to be laughed at. But I know none. >>> >>> Kenneth Kawamoto >>> http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ >>> >>> >>> >>> On 23 May 2013, at 16:17, James Merrill wrote: >>> I've been moving to StackOverflow for questions, and Reddit's coding subreddits for general programming discussion Here's a URL that bundles a bunch of good programming subreddits: http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev+web_design+html+css+programming+learnprogramming+design+ProgrammerHumor+html5 As for an IDE, I would highly discourage you from using Dreamweaver. There are much better tools that are cheap/free. I am currently using Aptana, which is Eclipse based and contains tons of helpful features. I am moving towards using SublimeText as my primary IDE. It's extremely streamlined and elegant, and I highly suggest checking it out. Adobe has been working on an IDE called Brackets that looks pretty cool too. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kerry Thompson wrote: > I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get > JavaScript > under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a lot of > development time. > > Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the > programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn world have > moved to a Facebook group. > > Cordially, > > Kerry Thompson > On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" wrote: > >> I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. Google >> reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to take > advantage >> of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality lists >> like >> this one. I also would like recommendations for (Windows) IDE's for >> JavaScript, or general HTML5 development including all the supporting >> languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that seems a bit of overkill for a >> developer. >> >> Thanks in advance guys! >> >> >> >> Bryan Thompson >> >> ___ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >> > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > -- James Merrill ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Flashcoders mailing list >>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >> >> ___ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Webstorm doesn't support PHP :( Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 23 May 2013, at 17:35, Jon Bradley wrote: There are many better alternatives for professional coding that include automated building, unit testing, support for SCSS and LESS, grunt, etc. I wouldn't consider Dreamweaver a serious platform for building web applications. Useful for some, certainly, but there are many better options out there. Probably the best for those that aren't vested in the Visual Studio platform: http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ Second best (by the same company): http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/ For just text editor usage, for the most part: http://www.sublimetext.com/ http://macrabbit.com/espresso/ I'd personally stay way away from Dreamweaver. It keeps you bound to a low quality workflow that's not scalable or efficient. -j On May 23, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Kenneth Kawamoto > wrote: I know it's a long tradition to laugh at Dreamweaver as substandard tool, but I actually use it daily, for two reasons: 1. Comprehensive jQuery auto-completion/code-hint as well as PHP 2. Built-in FTP & SVN client Obviously never touch the WYSIWYG editor. Please let me know if there are alternative with above equipped. I don't like to be laughed at. But I know none. Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 23 May 2013, at 16:17, James Merrill wrote: I've been moving to StackOverflow for questions, and Reddit's coding subreddits for general programming discussion Here's a URL that bundles a bunch of good programming subreddits: http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev+web_design+html+css+programming+learnprogramming+design+ProgrammerHumor+html5 As for an IDE, I would highly discourage you from using Dreamweaver. There are much better tools that are cheap/free. I am currently using Aptana, which is Eclipse based and contains tons of helpful features. I am moving towards using SublimeText as my primary IDE. It's extremely streamlined and elegant, and I highly suggest checking it out. Adobe has been working on an IDE called Brackets that looks pretty cool too. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kerry Thompson >wrote: I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get JavaScript under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a lot of development time. Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn world have moved to a Facebook group. Cordially, Kerry Thompson On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" wrote: I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/ JavaScript. Google reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to take advantage of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality lists like this one. I also would like recommendations for (Windows) IDE's for JavaScript, or general HTML5 development including all the supporting languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that seems a bit of overkill for a developer. Thanks in advance guys! Bryan Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- James Merrill ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Thanks for suggestions gentlemen. I don't think Sublime does jQuery? Jetbrains editors look good. Dreamweaver doesn't do SASS well so that's something I will definitely like in these editors :) Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 23 May 2013, at 17:39, Marco Terrinoni wrote: > Think Sublime Text 2 has a lot of those functions in the packages repo. You > can also version control via github as well as SVN. > > Reason I switched from DW was due to the CSS pre-processor packages for SASS > and LESS, and LiveReload makes authoring css so much easier. > > Tis an amazing text editor, but it's horses for courses really. I still use > DW to setup sites and configure localhost server settings, but that's about > it. > > > Marco Terrinoni - Director > MULARAM PRODUCTIONS > web design // animation // illustration > uk: +44 7876 652 643 > e: ma...@mularam.com > w: www.mularam.com > > -Original Message- > From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com > [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth > Kawamoto > Sent: 23 May 2013 17:15 > To: Flash Coders List > Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools > > I know it's a long tradition to laugh at Dreamweaver as substandard tool, > but I actually use it daily, for two reasons: > 1. Comprehensive jQuery auto-completion/code-hint as well as PHP 2. Built-in > FTP & SVN client Obviously never touch the WYSIWYG editor. > > Please let me know if there are alternative with above equipped. I don't > like to be laughed at. But I know none. > > Kenneth Kawamoto > http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ > > > > On 23 May 2013, at 16:17, James Merrill wrote: > >> I've been moving to StackOverflow for questions, and Reddit's coding >> subreddits for general programming discussion Here's a URL that >> bundles a bunch of good programming subreddits: >> http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev+web_design+html+css+programming+learnpr >> ogramming+design+ProgrammerHumor+html5 >> >> As for an IDE, I would highly discourage you from using Dreamweaver. >> There are much better tools that are cheap/free. I am currently using >> Aptana, which is Eclipse based and contains tons of helpful features. >> I am moving towards using SublimeText as my primary IDE. It's >> extremely streamlined and elegant, and I highly suggest checking it >> out. Adobe has been working on an IDE called Brackets that looks pretty > cool too. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kerry Thompson > wrote: >> >>> I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get >>> JavaScript under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a >>> lot of development time. >>> >>> Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the >>> programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn world >>> have moved to a Facebook group. >>> >>> Cordially, >>> >>> Kerry Thompson >>> On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" wrote: >>> >>>> I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. >>>> Google reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to >>>> take >>> advantage >>>> of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality >>>> lists like this one. I also would like recommendations for >>>> (Windows) IDE's for JavaScript, or general HTML5 development >>>> including all the supporting languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that >>>> seems a bit of overkill for a developer. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance guys! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bryan Thompson >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Flashcoders mailing list >>>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >>>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>>> >>> ___ >>> Flashcoders mailing list >>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> James Merrill >> ___ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3162/6348 - Release Date: 05/22/13 > > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools
Think Sublime Text 2 has a lot of those functions in the packages repo. You can also version control via github as well as SVN. Reason I switched from DW was due to the CSS pre-processor packages for SASS and LESS, and LiveReload makes authoring css so much easier. Tis an amazing text editor, but it's horses for courses really. I still use DW to setup sites and configure localhost server settings, but that's about it. Marco Terrinoni - Director MULARAM PRODUCTIONS web design // animation // illustration uk: +44 7876 652 643 e: ma...@mularam.com w: www.mularam.com -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Kenneth Kawamoto Sent: 23 May 2013 17:15 To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools I know it's a long tradition to laugh at Dreamweaver as substandard tool, but I actually use it daily, for two reasons: 1. Comprehensive jQuery auto-completion/code-hint as well as PHP 2. Built-in FTP & SVN client Obviously never touch the WYSIWYG editor. Please let me know if there are alternative with above equipped. I don't like to be laughed at. But I know none. Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 23 May 2013, at 16:17, James Merrill wrote: > I've been moving to StackOverflow for questions, and Reddit's coding > subreddits for general programming discussion Here's a URL that > bundles a bunch of good programming subreddits: > http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev+web_design+html+css+programming+learnpr > ogramming+design+ProgrammerHumor+html5 > > As for an IDE, I would highly discourage you from using Dreamweaver. > There are much better tools that are cheap/free. I am currently using > Aptana, which is Eclipse based and contains tons of helpful features. > I am moving towards using SublimeText as my primary IDE. It's > extremely streamlined and elegant, and I highly suggest checking it > out. Adobe has been working on an IDE called Brackets that looks pretty cool too. > > > > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kerry Thompson wrote: > >> I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get >> JavaScript under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a >> lot of development time. >> >> Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the >> programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn world >> have moved to a Facebook group. >> >> Cordially, >> >> Kerry Thompson >> On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" wrote: >> >>> I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. >>> Google reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to >>> take >> advantage >>> of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality >>> lists like this one. I also would like recommendations for >>> (Windows) IDE's for JavaScript, or general HTML5 development >>> including all the supporting languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that >>> seems a bit of overkill for a developer. >>> >>> Thanks in advance guys! >>> >>> >>> >>> Bryan Thompson >>> >>> ___ >>> Flashcoders mailing list >>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>> >> ___ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >> > > > > -- > James Merrill > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3162/6348 - Release Date: 05/22/13 ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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There are many better alternatives for professional coding that include automated building, unit testing, support for SCSS and LESS, grunt, etc. I wouldn't consider Dreamweaver a serious platform for building web applications. Useful for some, certainly, but there are many better options out there. Probably the best for those that aren't vested in the Visual Studio platform: http://www.jetbrains.com/idea/ Second best (by the same company): http://www.jetbrains.com/webstorm/ For just text editor usage, for the most part: http://www.sublimetext.com/ http://macrabbit.com/espresso/ I'd personally stay way away from Dreamweaver. It keeps you bound to a low quality workflow that's not scalable or efficient. -j On May 23, 2013, at 12:15 PM, Kenneth Kawamoto wrote: > I know it's a long tradition to laugh at Dreamweaver as substandard tool, but > I actually use it daily, for two reasons: > 1. Comprehensive jQuery auto-completion/code-hint as well as PHP > 2. Built-in FTP & SVN client > Obviously never touch the WYSIWYG editor. > > Please let me know if there are alternative with above equipped. I don't like > to be laughed at. But I know none. > > Kenneth Kawamoto > http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ > > > > On 23 May 2013, at 16:17, James Merrill wrote: > >> I've been moving to StackOverflow for questions, and Reddit's coding >> subreddits for general programming discussion Here's a URL that bundles a >> bunch of good programming subreddits: >> http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev+web_design+html+css+programming+learnprogramming+design+ProgrammerHumor+html5 >> >> As for an IDE, I would highly discourage you from using Dreamweaver. There >> are much better tools that are cheap/free. I am currently using Aptana, >> which is Eclipse based and contains tons of helpful features. I am moving >> towards using SublimeText as my primary IDE. It's extremely streamlined and >> elegant, and I highly suggest checking it out. Adobe has been working on an >> IDE called Brackets that looks pretty cool too. >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kerry Thompson >> wrote: >> >>> I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get JavaScript >>> under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a lot of >>> development time. >>> >>> Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the >>> programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn world have >>> moved to a Facebook group. >>> >>> Cordially, >>> >>> Kerry Thompson >>> On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" wrote: >>> I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. Google reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to take >>> advantage of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality lists like this one. I also would like recommendations for (Windows) IDE's for JavaScript, or general HTML5 development including all the supporting languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that seems a bit of overkill for a developer. Thanks in advance guys! Bryan Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>> ___ >>> Flashcoders mailing list >>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> James Merrill >> ___ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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>> Take it easy, Oren. There is no spam I've seen. It looks like something got >> corrupted in my reply, but that's hardly spam. I'm posting from a Caribbean >> island, and there might be some transmission problems-- this is a small, >> less-visited island. > > Isn't TCP supposed to prevent that? It will either fail the transfer or > correct the error, never let corrupted data pass. Sure, but TCP isn't an application protocol. SMTP servers can screw up encodings, content, etc. So, in theory, Kerry could have been using a local SMTP server that was misconfigured in some way. That said, this didn't happen here. What happened is Kerry saw the Hebrew characters in Oren's response, and guessed that something got screwed up. Those characters are perfectly valid within Oren's response though. I may not know much about Flash, but this is more my kind of thing. Too bad it's completely OT. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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I know it's a long tradition to laugh at Dreamweaver as substandard tool, but I actually use it daily, for two reasons: 1. Comprehensive jQuery auto-completion/code-hint as well as PHP 2. Built-in FTP & SVN client Obviously never touch the WYSIWYG editor. Please let me know if there are alternative with above equipped. I don't like to be laughed at. But I know none. Kenneth Kawamoto http://www.materiaprima.co.uk/ On 23 May 2013, at 16:17, James Merrill wrote: > I've been moving to StackOverflow for questions, and Reddit's coding > subreddits for general programming discussion Here's a URL that bundles a > bunch of good programming subreddits: > http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev+web_design+html+css+programming+learnprogramming+design+ProgrammerHumor+html5 > > As for an IDE, I would highly discourage you from using Dreamweaver. There > are much better tools that are cheap/free. I am currently using Aptana, > which is Eclipse based and contains tons of helpful features. I am moving > towards using SublimeText as my primary IDE. It's extremely streamlined and > elegant, and I highly suggest checking it out. Adobe has been working on an > IDE called Brackets that looks pretty cool too. > > > > > On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kerry Thompson > wrote: > >> I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get JavaScript >> under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a lot of >> development time. >> >> Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the >> programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn world have >> moved to a Facebook group. >> >> Cordially, >> >> Kerry Thompson >> On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" wrote: >> >>> I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. Google >>> reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to take >> advantage >>> of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality lists >>> like >>> this one. I also would like recommendations for (Windows) IDE's for >>> JavaScript, or general HTML5 development including all the supporting >>> languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that seems a bit of overkill for a >>> developer. >>> >>> Thanks in advance guys! >>> >>> >>> >>> Bryan Thompson >>> >>> ___ >>> Flashcoders mailing list >>> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >>> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >>> >> ___ >> Flashcoders mailing list >> Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com >> http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders >> > > > > -- > James Merrill > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Kerry Thompson skriver: > Take it easy, Oren. There is no spam I've seen. It looks like something got > corrupted in my reply, but that's hardly spam. I'm posting from a Caribbean > island, and there might be some transmission problems-- this is a small, > less-visited island. Isn't TCP supposed to prevent that? It will either fail the transfer or correct the error, never let corrupted data pass. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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tbh he "asked" million of times, but tnx dave ;) one less spammer hehe. On 23-5-2013 17:51, Dave Watts wrote: Oren, what's your problem?? Apparently, he was unable to unsubscribe himself and unwilling to ask for help. I've unsubscribed him. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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> Oren, what's your problem?? Apparently, he was unable to unsubscribe himself and unwilling to ask for help. I've unsubscribed him. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ http://training.figleaf.com/ Fig Leaf Software is a Veteran-Owned Small Business (VOSB) on GSA Schedule, and provides the highest caliber vendor-authorized instruction at our training centers, online, or onsite. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Take it easy, Oren. There is no spam I've seen. It looks like something got corrupted in my reply, but that's hardly spam. I'm posting from a Caribbean island, and there might be some transmission problems-- this is a small, less-visited island. Be cool, Oren. the closest thing to spam in this thread is your profanity. On May 23, 2013 11:16 AM, "Oren B." wrote: > Enough with the fuckin spam!!! > > בתאריך יום חמישי, 23 במאי 2013, Kerry Thompson כתב: > > > I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get > JavaScript > > under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a lot of > > development time. > > > > Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the > > programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn world have > > moved to a Facebook group. > > > > Cordially, > > > > Kerry Thompson > > On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" > > > wrote: > > > > > I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. > Google > > > reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to take > > advantage > > > of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality lists > > > like > > > this one. I also would like recommendations for (Windows) IDE's for > > > JavaScript, or general HTML5 development including all the supporting > > > languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that seems a bit of overkill for a > > > developer. > > > > > > Thanks in advance guys! > > > > > > > > > > > > Bryan Thompson > > > > > > ___ > > > Flashcoders mailing list > > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > > ___ > > Flashcoders mailing list > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > > > -- > נשלח מ-Gmail לנייד > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Thanks much Kurt, Kerry, and James. Just the kind of information I was looking for. Oren, what's your problem?? Bryan -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of James Merrill Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:17 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools I've been moving to StackOverflow for questions, and Reddit's coding subreddits for general programming discussion Here's a URL that bundles a bunch of good programming subreddits: http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev+web_design+html+css+programming+learnprogramm ing+design+ProgrammerHumor+html5 As for an IDE, I would highly discourage you from using Dreamweaver. There are much better tools that are cheap/free. I am currently using Aptana, which is Eclipse based and contains tons of helpful features. I am moving towards using SublimeText as my primary IDE. It's extremely streamlined and elegant, and I highly suggest checking it out. Adobe has been working on an IDE called Brackets that looks pretty cool too. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kerry Thompson wrote: > I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get > JavaScript under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a > lot of development time. > > Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the > programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn world > have moved to a Facebook group. > > Cordially, > > Kerry Thompson > On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" wrote: > > > I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. > > Google reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to > > take > advantage > > of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality > > lists like this one. I also would like recommendations for > > (Windows) IDE's for JavaScript, or general HTML5 development > > including all the supporting languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that > > seems a bit of overkill for a developer. > > > > Thanks in advance guys! > > > > > > > > Bryan Thompson > > > > ___ > > Flashcoders mailing list > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > -- James Merrill ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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I've been moving to StackOverflow for questions, and Reddit's coding subreddits for general programming discussion Here's a URL that bundles a bunch of good programming subreddits: http://www.reddit.com/r/webdev+web_design+html+css+programming+learnprogramming+design+ProgrammerHumor+html5 As for an IDE, I would highly discourage you from using Dreamweaver. There are much better tools that are cheap/free. I am currently using Aptana, which is Eclipse based and contains tons of helpful features. I am moving towards using SublimeText as my primary IDE. It's extremely streamlined and elegant, and I highly suggest checking it out. Adobe has been working on an IDE called Brackets that looks pretty cool too. On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Kerry Thompson wrote: > I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get JavaScript > under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a lot of > development time. > > Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the > programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn world have > moved to a Facebook group. > > Cordially, > > Kerry Thompson > On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" wrote: > > > I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. Google > > reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to take > advantage > > of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality lists > > like > > this one. I also would like recommendations for (Windows) IDE's for > > JavaScript, or general HTML5 development including all the supporting > > languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that seems a bit of overkill for a > > developer. > > > > Thanks in advance guys! > > > > > > > > Bryan Thompson > > > > ___ > > Flashcoders mailing list > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > -- James Merrill ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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Enough with the fuckin spam!!! בתאריך יום חמישי, 23 במאי 2013, Kerry Thompson כתב: > I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get JavaScript > under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a lot of > development time. > > Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the > programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn world have > moved to a Facebook group. > > Cordially, > > Kerry Thompson > On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" > > wrote: > > > I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. Google > > reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to take > advantage > > of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality lists > > like > > this one. I also would like recommendations for (Windows) IDE's for > > JavaScript, or general HTML5 development including all the supporting > > languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that seems a bit of overkill for a > > developer. > > > > Thanks in advance guys! > > > > > > > > Bryan Thompson > > > > ___ > > Flashcoders mailing list > > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > -- נשלח מ-Gmail לנייד ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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I've found Dreamweaver to be a good tool for HTML5. when you get JavaScript under your belt, take a look at JQuery. it will save you a lot of development time. Mailing lists are pretty quiet these days. I don't know where the programmers congregate, but my colleagues in the French Horn world have moved to a Facebook group. Cordially, Kerry Thompson On May 23, 2013 9:52 AM, "Bryan Thompson" wrote: > I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. Google > reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to take advantage > of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality lists > like > this one. I also would like recommendations for (Windows) IDE's for > JavaScript, or general HTML5 development including all the supporting > languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that seems a bit of overkill for a > developer. > > Thanks in advance guys! > > > > Bryan Thompson > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
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I don't know of any lists, but in the link below the guy comments of development tools. Over a year old, but still a great read. https://plus.google.com/u/0/109047477151984864676/posts/CVGJKLMMehs On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Bryan Thompson wrote: > I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. Google > reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to take advantage > of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality lists > like > this one. I also would like recommendations for (Windows) IDE's for > JavaScript, or general HTML5 development including all the supporting > languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that seems a bit of overkill for a > developer. > > Thanks in advance guys! > > > > Bryan Thompson > > ___ > Flashcoders mailing list > Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com > http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders > ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] Mailing Lists and Tools
I know many developers are migrating towards HTML5/CSS/JavaScript. Google reveals a multitude of results for mailing lists. I hope to take advantage of the experience on this list to get some advice on good quality lists like this one. I also would like recommendations for (Windows) IDE's for JavaScript, or general HTML5 development including all the supporting languages. I have Dreamweaver, but that seems a bit of overkill for a developer. Thanks in advance guys! Bryan Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders