Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl
Hey guys have you seen that: http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=nvWwlZSXaR0feature=related First experiment with flash and Papervision. And the bell :] L Muzak a écrit : Haven't really looked into all the wonderfl details, but - at first looks - seems similar to what is already possible with Flex and Coldfusion. Flex 1.0 and 1.5 were both compiled on the server, there was no swf output like there is with Flex 2 and 3 and what we're used from the Flash IDE. Flex 2/3 can still be compiled server side in combination with Coldfusion. So rather than having an html + swf, you'd browse to an mxml file. http://domain.com/index.mxml How comfortable are people with having all your sourcecode online instead of local online storage - would make me nervous on very large projects Doesn't change anything development wise. You'd still have a local copy - deploying to a local (or network) server for testing. Upload to live server when done. What happens when you want to compile and the server is down or hiccups? Must be online to develop - no working on the airplane or places without Wi-Fi Same as above, not an issue if you'd develop locally. And that goes for most of your other concerns. Just because they're demoing it online, doesn't mean you *have* to develop online, well at least that's the way I see it :). regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl Hmmm, yeah, but right now, I can't see past these issues (along with your better GUI and compiling : Code completion and other nice features of code editors! - they would definitely need to implement that - and how would that handle smart import statements for your project? Could be tricky, How comfortable are people with having all your sourcecode online instead of local online storage - would make me nervous on very large projects Using third party code - or importing classes of your own - they would have to support that. What happens when you want to compile and the server is down or hiccups? It was doing that to me when I tested - annoying and a big productivity waster. Must be online to develop - no working on the airplane or places without Wi-Fi Working inside a browser - that's going to impose several limitations there - like hotkey combination conflicts Not seeing your file structure locally - they would have to create a pretty slick UI for viewing your project Working with media assets - what about having to upload images, movies, sound, fonts, yuck! I think it maybe has potential a long way down the road, but so far, this isn't anything I think people will be able to do anything useful with just yet. Seems the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages - at least right now. Maybe someday. Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl
Just for what's on right now, an exhibition of codes.compile the piece and watch it. :] L Merrill, Jason a écrit : Just playing devil's advocate, why would anyone want to build Flash online? It's technically very impressive, but with all the free offline tools out there, I don't see why it would be necessary or useful. ?? Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Sidney de Koning Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:08 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl He wrote the link wrong, it is: http://wonderfl.kayac.com/ Its pretty f* awesome! And most def the coolest i've seen in along time! Sid On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote: Is this spam? Or did that site not pay their ISP dues? This (http://wonderfl.kayack.com/ ) seems to be a web site circa 1998 - what does this have to do with Flash? Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Mathews Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:58 AM To: azf...@googlegroups.com; flexcod...@yahoogroups.com; Flash Coders List Subject: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl Spotted a post over at Techcrunch about wonderfl.kayack.com . Looks like a pretty cool project. And if the creator(s) happen to see this, a big thumbs up! Steve ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Sidney de Koning - be a geek, in rockstar style! Flash / AIR Developer @ www.funky-monkey.nl Technical Writer @ www.insideria.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl
not SPAM, TYPO :) http://wonderfl.kayac.com/ Merrill, Jason wrote: Is this spam? Or did that site not pay their ISP dues? This (http://wonderfl.kayack.com/) seems to be a web site circa 1998 - what does this have to do with Flash? Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Steve Mathews Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:58 AM To: azf...@googlegroups.com; flexcod...@yahoogroups.com; Flash Coders List Subject: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl Spotted a post over at Techcrunch about wonderfl.kayack.com . Looks like a pretty cool project. And if the creator(s) happen to see this, a big thumbs up! Steve ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
[Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl
Spotted a post over at Techcrunch about wonderfl.kayack.com . Looks like a pretty cool project. And if the creator(s) happen to see this, a big thumbs up! Steve ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl
Just playing devil's advocate, why would anyone want to build Flash online? It's technically very impressive, but with all the free offline tools out there, I don't see why it would be necessary or useful. ?? Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Sidney de Koning Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:08 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl He wrote the link wrong, it is: http://wonderfl.kayac.com/ Its pretty f* awesome! And most def the coolest i've seen in along time! Sid On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote: Is this spam? Or did that site not pay their ISP dues? This (http://wonderfl.kayack.com/ ) seems to be a web site circa 1998 - what does this have to do with Flash? Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Mathews Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:58 AM To: azf...@googlegroups.com; flexcod...@yahoogroups.com; Flash Coders List Subject: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl Spotted a post over at Techcrunch about wonderfl.kayack.com . Looks like a pretty cool project. And if the creator(s) happen to see this, a big thumbs up! Steve ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Sidney de Koning - be a geek, in rockstar style! Flash / AIR Developer @ www.funky-monkey.nl Technical Writer @ www.insideria.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl
Is this spam? Or did that site not pay their ISP dues? This (http://wonderfl.kayack.com/) seems to be a web site circa 1998 - what does this have to do with Flash? Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Steve Mathews Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:58 AM To: azf...@googlegroups.com; flexcod...@yahoogroups.com; Flash Coders List Subject: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl Spotted a post over at Techcrunch about wonderfl.kayack.com . Looks like a pretty cool project. And if the creator(s) happen to see this, a big thumbs up! Steve ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl
Hi Jason, Actually I think something like this has the potential to be great if taken in the right direction, and given a GUI that is much better; however, there is definitely the draw back of speed, if the server has to compile a file for 10 to 100 to a 1000 users at once. Imagine a scenario where a project is kept entirely on one server, and multiple people can edit a file separately or at the same time in realtime, like whiteboarding, using ajax or flash and amf, and choosing the revision, and of course all done without the hassles of purchasing licenses for multiple computers, downloading every file required for a build, and installing an app on every users machine. They already do this with mainframe style apps, so I would like it greatly if one could just go online as per normal and use the app in the browser. Mixing something like aviary, but with the ability to make animations, and having and ide with flashdevelop's feature set, would be downright awesome. My 2 cents, Anthony Merrill, Jason wrote: Just playing devil's advocate, why would anyone want to build Flash online? It's technically very impressive, but with all the free offline tools out there, I don't see why it would be necessary or useful. ?? Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Sidney de Koning Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:08 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl He wrote the link wrong, it is: http://wonderfl.kayac.com/ Its pretty f* awesome! And most def the coolest i've seen in along time! Sid On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote: Is this spam? Or did that site not pay their ISP dues? This (http://wonderfl.kayack.com/ ) seems to be a web site circa 1998 - what does this have to do with Flash? Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Mathews Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:58 AM To: azf...@googlegroups.com; flexcod...@yahoogroups.com; Flash Coders List Subject: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl Spotted a post over at Techcrunch about wonderfl.kayack.com . Looks like a pretty cool project. And if the creator(s) happen to see this, a big thumbs up! Steve ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Sidney de Koning - be a geek, in rockstar style! Flash / AIR Developer @ www.funky-monkey.nl Technical Writer @ www.insideria.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl
Hmmm, yeah, but right now, I can't see past these issues (along with your better GUI and compiling : Code completion and other nice features of code editors! - they would definitely need to implement that - and how would that handle smart import statements for your project? Could be tricky, How comfortable are people with having all your sourcecode online instead of local online storage - would make me nervous on very large projects Using third party code - or importing classes of your own - they would have to support that. What happens when you want to compile and the server is down or hiccups? It was doing that to me when I tested - annoying and a big productivity waster. Must be online to develop - no working on the airplane or places without Wi-Fi Working inside a browser - that's going to impose several limitations there - like hotkey combination conflicts Not seeing your file structure locally - they would have to create a pretty slick UI for viewing your project Working with media assets - what about having to upload images, movies, sound, fonts, yuck! I think it maybe has potential a long way down the road, but so far, this isn't anything I think people will be able to do anything useful with just yet. Seems the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages - at least right now. Maybe someday. Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Pace Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:12 PM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl Hi Jason, Actually I think something like this has the potential to be great if taken in the right direction, and given a GUI that is much better; however, there is definitely the draw back of speed, if the server has to compile a file for 10 to 100 to a 1000 users at once. Imagine a scenario where a project is kept entirely on one server, and multiple people can edit a file separately or at the same time in realtime, like whiteboarding, using ajax or flash and amf, and choosing the revision, and of course all done without the hassles of purchasing licenses for multiple computers, downloading every file required for a build, and installing an app on every users machine. They already do this with mainframe style apps, so I would like it greatly if one could just go online as per normal and use the app in the browser. Mixing something like aviary, but with the ability to make animations, and having and ide with flashdevelop's feature set, would be downright awesome. My 2 cents, Anthony Merrill, Jason wrote: Just playing devil's advocate, why would anyone want to build Flash online? It's technically very impressive, but with all the free offline tools out there, I don't see why it would be necessary or useful. ?? Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com] On Behalf Of Sidney de Koning Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:08 AM To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl He wrote the link wrong, it is: http://wonderfl.kayac.com/ Its pretty f* awesome! And most def the coolest i've seen in along time! Sid On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote: Is this spam? Or did that site not pay their ISP dues? This (http://wonderfl.kayack.com/ ) seems to be a web site circa 1998 - what does this have to do with Flash? Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Mathews Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:58 AM To: azf...@googlegroups.com; flexcod...@yahoogroups.com; Flash Coders List Subject: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl Spotted a post over at Techcrunch about wonderfl.kayack.com . Looks like a pretty cool project. And if the creator(s) happen to see this, a big thumbs up! Steve
Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl
Great!! Now i will be able to create Flash stuff even at school's breaks. That's just what i always wanted. Sometime i have to be waiting more than 2 hours without anything to do. Great timepass activity. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl
He wrote the link wrong, it is: http://wonderfl.kayac.com/ Its pretty f* awesome! And most def the coolest i've seen in along time! Sid On Feb 2, 2009, at 5:02 PM, Merrill, Jason wrote: Is this spam? Or did that site not pay their ISP dues? This (http://wonderfl.kayack.com/ ) seems to be a web site circa 1998 - what does this have to do with Flash? Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. -Original Message- From: flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com [mailto:flashcoders-boun...@chattyfig.figleaf.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Mathews Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 10:58 AM To: azf...@googlegroups.com; flexcod...@yahoogroups.com; Flash Coders List Subject: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl Spotted a post over at Techcrunch about wonderfl.kayack.com . Looks like a pretty cool project. And if the creator(s) happen to see this, a big thumbs up! Steve ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Sidney de Koning - be a geek, in rockstar style! Flash / AIR Developer @ www.funky-monkey.nl Technical Writer @ www.insideria.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl
Haven't really looked into all the wonderfl details, but - at first looks - seems similar to what is already possible with Flex and Coldfusion. Flex 1.0 and 1.5 were both compiled on the server, there was no swf output like there is with Flex 2 and 3 and what we're used from the Flash IDE. Flex 2/3 can still be compiled server side in combination with Coldfusion. So rather than having an html + swf, you'd browse to an mxml file. http://domain.com/index.mxml How comfortable are people with having all your sourcecode online instead of local online storage - would make me nervous on very large projects Doesn't change anything development wise. You'd still have a local copy - deploying to a local (or network) server for testing. Upload to live server when done. What happens when you want to compile and the server is down or hiccups? Must be online to develop - no working on the airplane or places without Wi-Fi Same as above, not an issue if you'd develop locally. And that goes for most of your other concerns. Just because they're demoing it online, doesn't mean you *have* to develop online, well at least that's the way I see it :). regards, Muzak - Original Message - From: Merrill, Jason jason.merr...@bankofamerica.com To: Flash Coders List flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:26 PM Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] This is kind of Wonderfl Hmmm, yeah, but right now, I can't see past these issues (along with your better GUI and compiling : Code completion and other nice features of code editors! - they would definitely need to implement that - and how would that handle smart import statements for your project? Could be tricky, How comfortable are people with having all your sourcecode online instead of local online storage - would make me nervous on very large projects Using third party code - or importing classes of your own - they would have to support that. What happens when you want to compile and the server is down or hiccups? It was doing that to me when I tested - annoying and a big productivity waster. Must be online to develop - no working on the airplane or places without Wi-Fi Working inside a browser - that's going to impose several limitations there - like hotkey combination conflicts Not seeing your file structure locally - they would have to create a pretty slick UI for viewing your project Working with media assets - what about having to upload images, movies, sound, fonts, yuck! I think it maybe has potential a long way down the road, but so far, this isn't anything I think people will be able to do anything useful with just yet. Seems the disadvantages far outweigh the advantages - at least right now. Maybe someday. Jason Merrill Bank of America Instructional Technology Media · Learning Performance Solutions LLD Interested in Flash Platform technologies? Join the Bank of America Flash Platform Community Interested in innovative ideas in Learning? Check out the Innovative Learning Blog and subscribe. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
