RE: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR
Or more to the point the lawyers :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ricky Bacon Sent: 03 January 2008 07:46 To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR Matthew James Poole wrote: I have to agree with Steven on this too if security isnt to much of an issue then use Zinc etc... I constantly question Adobe's reasoning on this. AIR is a great way to present a platform...that sucks ass if you really want to do anything on the client side. Guess what? If I want to break your sandbox, it's done. No user should download an app that they don't trust and no amount of your sandbox would prevent me from breaking that if I were a cracker. Give us external access (dll, so, etc.). Flash still has alot of potential. Your marketers are getting in the way of your engineers. /rant -Ricky ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders __ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Virtual Universe e-mail security system - powered by MessageLabs. http://www.virtual-universe.net __ Virtual Universe Ltd, 28-39 The Quadrant, 135 Salusbury Road, London NW6 6RJ Tel: +44 (0) 870 788 6000 Fax: +44 (0) 870 788 6689 Web:www.virtual-universe.net - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail may contain information which is confidential and privileged. If you are not the named addressee of this e-mail, you may not copy or use it, or forward or otherwise disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message and then fully delete it from your system. Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Amplefuture Group. Amplefuture Group reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from both external and internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of our communication equipment. __ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Virtual Universe e-mail security system - powered by MessageLabs. http://www.virtual-universe.net ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR
That's what we have the wish list for. Add it to Jira http://bugs.adobe.com/jira and if enough people vote for it Adobe put it in - simple :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Omar Fouad Sent: 02 January 2008 20:54 To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR I've been thinking about something else.. Why they don't let me execute files from the fscommand like I do in any Projector application (fscommand directory)... I think that this would be one solution, that yet covers their security polices. Why should I Make use of other programming technologies like .net or java while developing in Adobe...And yet Microsoft and Sun are two major companies and their products give us the functionality to do stuff like executing files, printing without showing any dialog boxes etc... How they can permit to let us wrap their products in other third party compilers? On Jan 2, 2008 10:08 PM, Omar Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all thanks for the replies, and by the way um sorry for being rude... The thing is that I found out that AIR does not support the function too late, now that the whole project is finished and the print function is missing - I am trying to find out a way to get it working without doing the whole work again.. ARRGHH never mind... but is it possible to have it available in the next releases? And what about creating an application with multiple AIR files, or executing other Installed AIR applications? Is that possible? Many Thanks On Jan 2, 2008 6:21 PM, Kerry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Sacks wrote: The only true benefits I see in AIR over other wrappers are: 1) Unified cross-platform development 2) First-Party Wrapper (Adobe) That's it. If neither of those is important to your particular project, you probably are better off using mProjector or Zinc. Or Director. It's also Adobe, an excellent wrapper for Flash, and a powerful product in its own right. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Omar M. Fouad - Digital Emotions http://www.omarfouad.net This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. -- Omar M. Fouad - Digital Emotions http://www.omarfouad.net This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders __ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Virtual Universe e-mail security system - powered by MessageLabs. http://www.virtual-universe.net __ Virtual Universe Ltd, 28-39 The Quadrant, 135 Salusbury Road, London NW6 6RJ Tel: +44 (0) 870 788 6000 Fax: +44 (0) 870 788 6689 Web:www.virtual-universe.net - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail may contain information which is confidential and privileged. If you are not the named addressee of this e-mail, you may not copy or use it, or forward or otherwise disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message and then fully delete it from your system. Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Amplefuture Group. Amplefuture Group reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from both external and internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of our communication equipment. __ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Virtual Universe e-mail security system - powered by MessageLabs. http://www.virtual-universe.net ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR
I think there is an AIR list on Yahoo - you might want to try there, I'd be surprised if AIR can't do that, seems like I saw stuff at MAX in Chicago that showed AIR launching other apps. I know they had it integrated with Outlook and Excel, but not sure if it was via starting the executable. Jason Merrill Bank of America LLD GTO eTools Multimedia Research Development ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR
Omar, fscommmand exec only works from with a projector i.e. not AIR in addition to this AIR will print exactly as any other AS3 application prints so if the AS3 print library allows you to do what you want then you can do it in AIR if not, then you cant. I have to agree with Steven on this too if security isnt to much of an issue then use Zinc etc... One other benefit over other wrappers steve is that it's a one off install for the run time and there after you just all AIR apps will work, whereas with all the other wrappers I've tried the wrapper has bundled into every app install. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steven Sacks Sent: 02 January 2008 06:25 To: Flash Coders List Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR If you're having trouble with Adobe's beta wrapper, you should go with one of the other wrappers. Because AIR is a wrapper that is being pushed by a major company (Adobe) and because they've been marketing it heavily, and because they want it to be widely used and they want people to feel safe installing AIR applications, AIR cannot have the level of power that other wrappers have when it comes to accessing the operating system. The fact is, with any other Flash wrapper, you can do some truly nefarious things. Heck, you could probably achieve some nasty stuff with AIR as it is right now. The only true benefits I see in AIR over other wrappers are: 1) Unified cross-platform development 2) First-Party Wrapper (Adobe) That's it. If neither of those is important to your particular project, you probably are better off using mProjector or Zinc. Cheers, Steven Sacks Flash Maestro Los Angeles, CA -- blog: http://www.stevensacks.net gaia: http://www.gaiaflashframework.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders __ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Virtual Universe e-mail security system - powered by MessageLabs. http://www.virtual-universe.net __ Virtual Universe Ltd, 28-39 The Quadrant, 135 Salusbury Road, London NW6 6RJ Tel: +44 (0) 870 788 6000 Fax: +44 (0) 870 788 6689 Web:www.virtual-universe.net - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This e-mail may contain information which is confidential and privileged. If you are not the named addressee of this e-mail, you may not copy or use it, or forward or otherwise disclose it to anyone else. If you have received this e-mail in error, please e-mail the sender by replying to this message and then fully delete it from your system. Any views or opinions presented in this e-mail are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Amplefuture Group. Amplefuture Group reserves the right to monitor e-mail communications from both external and internal sources for the purposes of ensuring correct and appropriate use of our communication equipment. __ This e-mail has been scanned for viruses by the Virtual Universe e-mail security system - powered by MessageLabs. http://www.virtual-universe.net ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
RE: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR
Steven Sacks wrote: The only true benefits I see in AIR over other wrappers are: 1) Unified cross-platform development 2) First-Party Wrapper (Adobe) That's it. If neither of those is important to your particular project, you probably are better off using mProjector or Zinc. Or Director. It's also Adobe, an excellent wrapper for Flash, and a powerful product in its own right. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR
First of all thanks for the replies, and by the way um sorry for being rude... The thing is that I found out that AIR does not support the function too late, now that the whole project is finished and the print function is missing - I am trying to find out a way to get it working without doing the whole work again.. ARRGHH never mind... but is it possible to have it available in the next releases? And what about creating an application with multiple AIR files, or executing other Installed AIR applications? Is that possible? Many Thanks On Jan 2, 2008 6:21 PM, Kerry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Sacks wrote: The only true benefits I see in AIR over other wrappers are: 1) Unified cross-platform development 2) First-Party Wrapper (Adobe) That's it. If neither of those is important to your particular project, you probably are better off using mProjector or Zinc. Or Director. It's also Adobe, an excellent wrapper for Flash, and a powerful product in its own right. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Omar M. Fouad - Digital Emotions http://www.omarfouad.net This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR
I've been thinking about something else.. Why they don't let me execute files from the fscommand like I do in any Projector application (fscommand directory)... I think that this would be one solution, that yet covers their security polices. Why should I Make use of other programming technologies like .net or java while developing in Adobe...And yet Microsoft and Sun are two major companies and their products give us the functionality to do stuff like executing files, printing without showing any dialog boxes etc... How they can permit to let us wrap their products in other third party compilers? On Jan 2, 2008 10:08 PM, Omar Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all thanks for the replies, and by the way um sorry for being rude... The thing is that I found out that AIR does not support the function too late, now that the whole project is finished and the print function is missing - I am trying to find out a way to get it working without doing the whole work again.. ARRGHH never mind... but is it possible to have it available in the next releases? And what about creating an application with multiple AIR files, or executing other Installed AIR applications? Is that possible? Many Thanks On Jan 2, 2008 6:21 PM, Kerry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Sacks wrote: The only true benefits I see in AIR over other wrappers are: 1) Unified cross-platform development 2) First-Party Wrapper (Adobe) That's it. If neither of those is important to your particular project, you probably are better off using mProjector or Zinc. Or Director. It's also Adobe, an excellent wrapper for Flash, and a powerful product in its own right. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Omar M. Fouad - Digital Emotions http://www.omarfouad.net This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. -- Omar M. Fouad - Digital Emotions http://www.omarfouad.net This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR
It´s not only you that is not satisfied with this , take a look at this thread : http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=72catid=641threadid=1298770enterthread=y http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=72catid=641threadid=1298770enterthread=y Adobes wish list: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish/ CrAzYcAlL Omar Fouad wrote: I've been thinking about something else.. Why they don't let me execute files from the fscommand like I do in any Projector application (fscommand directory)... I think that this would be one solution, that yet covers their security polices. Why should I Make use of other programming technologies like .net or java while developing in Adobe...And yet Microsoft and Sun are two major companies and their products give us the functionality to do stuff like executing files, printing without showing any dialog boxes etc... How they can permit to let us wrap their products in other third party compilers? On Jan 2, 2008 10:08 PM, Omar Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all thanks for the replies, and by the way um sorry for being rude... The thing is that I found out that AIR does not support the function too late, now that the whole project is finished and the print function is missing - I am trying to find out a way to get it working without doing the whole work again.. ARRGHH never mind... but is it possible to have it available in the next releases? And what about creating an application with multiple AIR files, or executing other Installed AIR applications? Is that possible? Many Thanks On Jan 2, 2008 6:21 PM, Kerry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Sacks wrote: The only true benefits I see in AIR over other wrappers are: 1) Unified cross-platform development 2) First-Party Wrapper (Adobe) That's it. If neither of those is important to your particular project, you probably are better off using mProjector or Zinc. Or Director. It's also Adobe, an excellent wrapper for Flash, and a powerful product in its own right. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Omar M. Fouad - Digital Emotions http://www.omarfouad.net This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR
yeah That's It! On Jan 3, 2008 12:57 AM, CrAzYcAlL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It´s not only you that is not satisfied with this , take a look at this thread : http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=72catid=641threadid=1298770enterthread=y http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?forumid=72catid=641threadid=1298770enterthread=y Adobes wish list: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish/ CrAzYcAlL Omar Fouad wrote: I've been thinking about something else.. Why they don't let me execute files from the fscommand like I do in any Projector application (fscommand directory)... I think that this would be one solution, that yet covers their security polices. Why should I Make use of other programming technologies like .net or java while developing in Adobe...And yet Microsoft and Sun are two major companies and their products give us the functionality to do stuff like executing files, printing without showing any dialog boxes etc... How they can permit to let us wrap their products in other third party compilers? On Jan 2, 2008 10:08 PM, Omar Fouad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all thanks for the replies, and by the way um sorry for being rude... The thing is that I found out that AIR does not support the function too late, now that the whole project is finished and the print function is missing - I am trying to find out a way to get it working without doing the whole work again.. ARRGHH never mind... but is it possible to have it available in the next releases? And what about creating an application with multiple AIR files, or executing other Installed AIR applications? Is that possible? Many Thanks On Jan 2, 2008 6:21 PM, Kerry Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steven Sacks wrote: The only true benefits I see in AIR over other wrappers are: 1) Unified cross-platform development 2) First-Party Wrapper (Adobe) That's it. If neither of those is important to your particular project, you probably are better off using mProjector or Zinc. Or Director. It's also Adobe, an excellent wrapper for Flash, and a powerful product in its own right. Cordially, Kerry Thompson ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Omar M. Fouad - Digital Emotions http://www.omarfouad.net This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders -- Omar M. Fouad - Digital Emotions http://www.omarfouad.net This e-mail and any attachment is for authorised use by the intended recipient(s) only. It may contain proprietary material, confidential information and/or be subject to legal privilege. It should not be copied, disclosed to, retained or used by, any other party. If you are not an intended recipient then please promptly delete this e-mail and any attachment and all copies and inform the sender. Thank you. ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR
Matthew James Poole wrote: I have to agree with Steven on this too if security isnt to much of an issue then use Zinc etc... I constantly question Adobe's reasoning on this. AIR is a great way to present a platform...that sucks ass if you really want to do anything on the client side. Guess what? If I want to break your sandbox, it's done. No user should download an app that they don't trust and no amount of your sandbox would prevent me from breaking that if I were a cracker. Give us external access (dll, so, etc.). Flash still has alot of potential. Your marketers are getting in the way of your engineers. /rant -Ricky ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
Re: [Flashcoders] Executing external ,exe witn AIR
If you're having trouble with Adobe's beta wrapper, you should go with one of the other wrappers. Because AIR is a wrapper that is being pushed by a major company (Adobe) and because they've been marketing it heavily, and because they want it to be widely used and they want people to feel safe installing AIR applications, AIR cannot have the level of power that other wrappers have when it comes to accessing the operating system. The fact is, with any other Flash wrapper, you can do some truly nefarious things. Heck, you could probably achieve some nasty stuff with AIR as it is right now. The only true benefits I see in AIR over other wrappers are: 1) Unified cross-platform development 2) First-Party Wrapper (Adobe) That's it. If neither of those is important to your particular project, you probably are better off using mProjector or Zinc. Cheers, Steven Sacks Flash Maestro Los Angeles, CA -- blog: http://www.stevensacks.net gaia: http://www.gaiaflashframework.com ___ Flashcoders mailing list Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders
