RE: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question..
Flex, in it's present form, does not handle connectivity issues well. While it's possible to do, Flex can't save anything to the user's local hard drive, so "saved" information is only saved while the browser window is open. Maybe some clever Flash guru can make me eat my words :) However, if I understand correctly, Adobe's upcoming technology, Apollo, will allow for this sort of thing (a flex-built desktop app with limited / occasional connections to the server). Shan From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul AndrewsSent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:13 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question.. My wife works in education and her school subscribes to a remote service that supplies web based information via the internet. When it works they love it but it's gotten a pretty awful nickname for the times it doesn't or is just plain slow.The important point here is that it's a good application, supplied from a remote server, but seen as unreliable either due to internet connectivity problems or speed.Forgetting the speed problem (there's usually ways to sort that out), I wondered how people are using Flex as a remotely served application. Are there good strategies to mitigate connection problems and how do companies react to the idea of remotely served applications that are important/critical to the business?Is the critical desktop application where Flex cannot go (except perhaps by in-house intranet)?Paul --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006
RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question..
Paul said that the current application was great when it was working, but everyone hated it when it was slow or the internet connection was down. I was not implying that flex doesn't work, or that I couldn't connect to them. I was saying Flex has no built-in mechanism to handle when the connection with the server is severed. I did a little quick research on sharedObjects... So if I need to store more than 10k of data, I need to get the user to change their flash settings? Seems like it's not terribly useful for maintaining a history of additions/changes of data for my app, should the connection between client server drop. Hopefully I'm misunderstanding this, or Apollo will address these problems. Shan From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williamsSent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 10:13 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question.. On 7/23/06, Shannon Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flex, in it's present form, does not handle connectivity issues well. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. I have no problem "connecting" to flash/flex apps. Of course if the internet connection is down then things wont work, but that's not a flex issue. While it's possible to do, Flex can't save anything to the user's local hard drive, so "saved" information is only saved while the browser window is open. Actually, flash has local sharedObjects that allow an application to save data locally. Maybe some clever Flash guru can make me eat my words :) However, if I understand correctly, Adobe's upcoming technology, Apollo, will allow for this sort of thing (a flex-built desktop app with limited / occasional connections to the server). I'm not sure he was concerned about occasional connections to the server. He simply said remotely served application. Shan From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul AndrewsSent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:13 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question.. My wife works in education and her school subscribes to a remote service that supplies web based information via the internet. When it works they love it but it's gotten a pretty awful nickname for the times it doesn't or is just plain slow.The important point here is that it's a good application, supplied from a remote server, but seen as unreliable either due to internet connectivity problems or speed.Forgetting the speed problem (there's usually ways to sort that out), I wondered how people are using Flex as a remotely served application. Are there good strategies to mitigate connection problems and how do companies react to the idea of remotely served applications that are important/critical to the business?Is the critical desktop application where Flex cannot go (except perhaps by in-house intranet)?Paul --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006
Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question..
- Original Message - From: hank williams To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question.. On 7/23/06, Shannon Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flex, in it's present form, does not handle connectivity issues well. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. I have no problem "connecting" to flash/flex apps. Of course if the internet connection is down then things wont work, but that's not a flex issue. But it is an issue for a Flex application, as opposed to a desktop one. While it's possible to do, Flex can't save anything to the user's local hard drive, so "saved" information is only saved while the browser window is open. Actually, flash has local sharedObjects that allow an application to save data locally. Maybe some clever Flash guru can make me eat my words :) However, if I understand correctly, Adobe's upcoming technology, Apollo, will allow for this sort of thing (a flex-built desktop app with limited / occasional connections to the server). I'm not sure he was concerned about occasional connections to the server. He simply said remotely served application. LOL, well HE (ie me) wasn't just thinking in terms of just serving the application, they still need to talk back to base to get and update data. I think we're all reasonably aware of what the technology can do. What I was particularly intersted in any experiences of actually selling/building/deploying a Flex app in places where a traditional desktop environment has been. Was there resistance to the idea? Were people concerned about vulnerability of net connections and did you do anything to mitigate those fears/put in place a standby? Paul Shan __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question..
SharedObjects are extremely useful, and can be leveraged in many different ways. They may appear at first to be limited, but don't let that adversely affect your attitude in using them. Here are some creative examples I've seen them used for: - I use one in my DebugWindow. When you drag the window, and let go, it saves the x and y coordinates of where you dropped it. That way, if you re-compile your app in FlexBuilder and it launches again, it'll be where you left it. Since I usually move it out of the way of the interface, this is extremely useful vs. "figuring out" where to put it via a move command all throughout development. - Those bastards(United Virtualities for example)that make floating Flash ads, and other various banner ad technology utilize local SharedObjects to make a copy of your cookies. That way, when the user deletes their cookies in their browser, a site can later query a SWF to see if it has a copy. This ensures those sites can have better tracking data. - Delta changes for data synchronization. For exmple, you make a change to some data. It attempts to save those changes, but there is no internet connection, so it saves it locally in a "need to update" list (array). When you have a connection again, it runs through the list sending to the server the change request until the list is empty. Abstracting this away into Business delegates adds a nice supportofOccasionally Connectivity. Naturally, this is better leveraged in a desktop environment like Apollo, but you get the drift. - Saving the last used name for a login field (not the password obviously). As far as the user being requested, you can actually see what the user is preseneted with: Right click on a SWF, and choose settings. Then choose the 2nd tab. You can launch this dialogue through code via flash.security.SecurityPanel ( SecurityPanel.LOCAL_STORAGE). I don't think it's 10k by default, but 100k. This is saved on a per sub-domain basis. - Original Message - From: Shannon Hicks To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 12:23 PM Subject: RE: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question.. Paul said that the current application was great when it was working, but everyone hated it when it was slow or the internet connection was down. I was not implying that flex doesn't work, or that I couldn't connect to them. I was saying Flex has no built-in mechanism to handle when the connection with the server is severed. I did a little quick research on sharedObjects... So if I need to store more than 10k of data, I need to get the user to change their flash settings? Seems like it's not terribly useful for maintaining a history of additions/changes of data for my app, should the connection between client server drop. Hopefully I'm misunderstanding this, or Apollo will address these problems. Shan From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williamsSent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 10:13 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - LOW] Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question.. On 7/23/06, Shannon Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Flex, in it's present form, does not handle connectivity issues well. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by this. I have no problem "connecting" to flash/flex apps. Of course if the internet connection is down then things wont work, but that's not a flex issue. While it's possible to do, Flex can't save anything to the user's local hard drive, so "saved" information is only saved while the browser window is open. Actually, flash has local sharedObjects that allow an application to save data locally. Maybe some clever Flash guru can make me eat my words :) However, if I understand correctly, Adobe's upcoming technology, Apollo, will allow for this sort of thing (a flex-built desktop app with limited / occasional connections to the server). I'm not sure he was concerned about occasional connections to the server. He simply said remotely served application. Shan From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul AndrewsSent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:13 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question.. My wife works in education and her school subscribes to a remote service that supplies web based information via the internet. When it works they love it but it's gotten a pretty awful nickname for the times it doesn't or is just plain slow.The important point here is that it's a good application, supplied from a remote server, but seen as unreliable either due to internet connectivity problems or speed.Forgetting the spe
Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question..
I think we're all reasonably aware of what the technology can do. What I was particularly intersted in any experiences of actually selling/building/deploying a Flex app in places where a traditional desktop environment has been. Was there resistance to the idea? Were people concerned about vulnerability of net connections and did you do anything to mitigate those fears/put in place a standby? My primary point is that this is not a Flex issue. Its the same issue for ajax/_javascript_ apps like salesforce.com and *lots* of other companies that do this. For a felling of how corporate america is responding to remotely served applications and the absolute furor over the impact that it is starting to have in the corporate marketplace, (and the fact that most every major enterprise software company is converting their software to work this way) you should check out some tech trades. I read news.com but there are probably others for the enterprise software as well. What you are posing as a *problem* is being heralded by most corporate customers and software companies as the wave of the future. I'm not saying that this is appropriate for every piece of enterprise software but that the market dynamics are heavily pushing in this direction. Whatever anecdotal stories you might hear here, the more accurate reflection of what is going on is the broad discussion of this issue in the tech press.RegardsHank Paul Shan __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question..
Hank, I'm not arguing about the trend, just asking what's going on practically with Flex developers. Paul - Original Message - From: hank williams To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question.. Whatever anecdotal stories you might hear here, the more accurate reflection of what is going on is the broad discussion of this issue in the tech press. Regards Hank Paul Shan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question..
Paul,Sorry Paul. I feel like I am derailing your question and that is not my intent. But I did think that this was a trend question.how do companies react to the idea of remotely served applications that are important/critical to the business? I realize that my answer isnt exactly what you want to hear, but my experience is that there is not much of an issue and there are few problems with company's implementing remote applications. Perhaps unlike your wife's school, in corporate environments, internet connection is like telephone service. It is critical, and companies are used to depending on it being available. I dont have any anecdotes because I have never heard anyone say what you are asking. I have heard horror stories with in-house installations that have caused people to move to remote applications. I'm sure there are some circumstances where your concern is an issue (like securities and banking) but by and large I dont think its an issue. At this point I fully realize this is not a satisfying answer based on the perspective you are coming from, but I just wanted to be clear, FWIW. I'll shut up now:)RegardsHank __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [Junk E-Mail - MED] Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question..
Well, from a developer's perspective... I'm seeing so many requests for Flex projects, we're picking choosing which ones to make proposals for. That being said, it seems we're seeing 1-2 project or job postings on this board every week. I guess I'm trying to say that most companies are very excited about RIA's, and that most concerns are easily addressed... Security can be addressed via SSL, etc. Shan From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul AndrewsSent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 1:06 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Junk E-Mail - MED] Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question.. Hank,I'm not arguing about the trend, just asking what's going on practically with Flex developers.Paul- Original Message - From: hank williamsTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.comSent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 6:12 PMSubject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question..Whatever anecdotal stories you might hear here, the more accurate reflection of what is going on is the broad discussion of this issue in the tech press.RegardsHankPaulShan --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006
Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question..
Hank, Your comments are perfectly reasonable (and I'm not sure that any answer would be satisfying). I've spent most of my life working in large company/corporate environments. From my experience, some companies will embrace the trend we've been talking about and have no problem with infrastructure (as you say). These companies weren't the focus of my question. Next come large companies for which infrastructure may or may not be there (I have worked on very large projects where the only link to a customer site has been via dial-up). Even large companies might not embrace the trend, but might have been won over by our flexcoder friends. Lastly, and probably the real focus of my query is putting Flex into a company that doesn't have a big budget IT department or infrastructure, and here there are the barriers I talked about - loss of connectivity (and functionality) of a business critical App. Some of our flecoder friends might have some interesting ideas/stories here. So carry on commenting - I'm not arguing about the trend! Paul - Original Message - From: hank williams To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2006 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Junk E-Mail - MED] [flexcoders] A general Flex application deployment question.. Paul, Sorry Paul. I feel like I am derailing your question and that is not my intent. But I did think that this was a trend question. how do companies react to the idea of remotely served applications that are important/critical to the business? I realize that my answer isnt exactly what you want to hear, but my experience is that there is not much of an issue and there are few problems with company's implementing remote applications. Perhaps unlike your wife's school, in corporate environments, internet connection is like telephone service. It is critical, and companies are used to depending on it being available. I dont have any anecdotes because I have never heard anyone say what you are asking. I have heard horror stories with in-house installations that have caused people to move to remote applications. I'm sure there are some circumstances where your concern is an issue (like securities and banking) but by and large I dont think its an issue. At this point I fully realize this is not a satisfying answer based on the perspective you are coming from, but I just wanted to be clear, FWIW. I'll shut up now:) Regards Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
