Re: [Flexradio] UCB Info

2007-03-01 Thread Jim Lux
At 11:05 AM 3/1/2007, you wrote:
>
>Thanks to everyone that responded. Looks like eBay is a good source for
>these relays. I found a similar one to the one Mike used with 4 poles and a
>28vdc coil. Not the ideal solution, but is cheap enough to suffer through,
>perhaps.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/4-NEW-RelComm-RF-Coaxial-Microwave-Switches-DB9-mw-HOT_W
>0QQitemZ260031360065QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1504QQcmdZViewItem
>
>This seller wants $22 for four (4) of these, but I bought a set for $20. He
>claims to have 100 sets of these so there may be plenty to go around for
>those who want some.
>
>Now I need a good source for UT-85 semi-rigid coax and some SMA connectors
>to fit. EBay bombed on this one, but I know someone will have a suggestion .

Why 0.085 semirigid and not 0.141? The larger stuff is usually easier 
to install (esp if you use the connectors which just use the center 
conductor as the pin, although you need the right tooling).  The 
center is pretty small on the 85.  I don't know that there's much 
difference in cost between the two.

Also, any particular reason for semirigid at all?  If you can find an 
inexpensive source for premade cables with SMAs on both ends with 
flexible coax, for short runs, that's probably fine. You have to get 
pretty high in frequency before the loss in a 1 foot jumper is more 
than a dB. I would think that there's somewhere to get surplus 
6-12-18" jumpers fairly cheap (wireless industry, etc.).

These days, for professional work, I use jumpers from Tensolite (for 
SMA) or RF Coax (for K and 2.4mm).  They're actually more stable over 
temp and aging than semirigid, although if you need to clamp them for 
vibe/shock, they might not work.  But if you're in that situation, 
you can afford the crimper and tooling from Kings and do it right 
with crimp on SMAs.

Jim, W6RMK




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Re: [Flexradio] Preamp issue?

2007-03-01 Thread Ray Andrews
I aslo have both an SDR-1000 & an FT-847, & I find exactly the opposite.  I 
can hear signals Q5 on the SDR that are not detectable on the FT-847.

A 1uV signal source, such as the Elecraft XG-1 or XG-2, used to check both 
rigs is the next obvious step.

73, Ray, K9DUR


>From: Alan NV8A <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
>Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Preamp issue?
>Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 12:33:44 -0500
>
>But Dan's not just comparing S-meter readings. He's talking about being
>able to hear signals on the FT-847 that he can't hear on the SDR-1000.
>
>I have no ax to grind in this, as I have neither rig.
>
>73
>
>Alan NV8A
>
>
>On 03/01/07 12:00 pm Tim Ellison wrote:
>
> > Also, don't trust the S meter on the FT-847.  If you have calibrated
> > using a  signal of known strength, the SDR-1000 is much more accurate.
>
>
>
> >> I've been happily using my SDR-1000 as an IF rig for transverters for
> >
> >> a month now.  It seemed to be performing fine.  This weekend I put up
> >
> >> dipoles on 10 and 20m and decided to see how it worked on HF and I
> >> was disappointed.  I hooked the same antenna to my FT-847 and was
> >> hearing stations 3-4 S units better.  There were stations that I
> >> couldn't even hear on the SDR-1000.  I guess the reason I thought it
> >> was working well before was because the transverters/preamps are
> >> doing all the heavy lifting.
> >>
> >> I went to the list archives and read about similar problems and tried
> >
> >> all the suggestions I could find to fix it.  I also re-calibrated the
> >
> >> radio using WWV as the reference but it made no difference.  I'm
> >> using PowerSDR 1.8.0 with the preamp on high and the AF set at 90.
> >> As a last resort I went through the FA-66 setup guide and found one
> >> problem.  I can't get the sample rate to go higher than 9600.  I get
> >> an invalid sample rate error if I try to set it to 19200.  I'm not
> >> sure that this is related to the problem or not but I thought I'd
> >> mention it.  Anyone have any ideas?
> >>
> >> Is anyone on the list near Danbury, CT?  I'd be interested in
> >> bringing my radio over and comparing it to see if the problem is
> >> software or hardware related.
>
>
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[Flexradio] SDR Linux User Group Meeting

2007-03-01 Thread Dan Babcock
Hello Everyone,

Just a reminder that the SDR Linux User Group meeting is this evening (in the 
US) at 0200Z.  This is a chance to find out what is new with Software Defined 
Radio and Linux.  You can also find answers to questions that you may be having 
about Linux.  Stop by and join in.

Dan N4XWE




 

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[Flexradio] Relays for UCB

2007-03-01 Thread Philip Theis
Steve,
Sorry I didn't notice your email earlier.
I have relays, all which came from ebay, that range from 6 pole to 20 pole
all easily capable of being driven from the UCB.  The relays that I use are
all 28 volts and work fine as Mike says.
The DowKey I have are 6MP-24-L-0001
And the Matrix relays I use are the 7000 series: www.matrixsystems.com
Remember the relays are only switching IF information, so they don't have to
handle up to 18GHz, although that won't hurt.  From some contesting
experience, the main factor is the isolation which is why I like the matrix
switches, the isolation is over 100db.   
Hope that helps.
Phil K3TUF


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Re: [Flexradio] Preamp issue?

2007-03-01 Thread petervn
Hi Dana
If it is your pre-amp that was the cullprit, check that
the mod with the 2 protection diodes is done in your SDR,
I send you a blockdiagram seperately, it will not go trough
the reflektor
My SDR is at least as sensitive as all my other receivers
73 peter pa0pvn
 
groeten Peter
petervn(a)hetnet.nl <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  ; pa0pvn(a)hetnet.nl 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>   ;
pa0pvn(a)gmail.com ; pa0pvn(a)amsat.org .
 



Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] namens N1OFZ
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Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

A local SDR owner has offered to give me a hand.  Hopefully I'll be 
able to determine quickly if it's a software or hardware issue.  I'll 
report back my finding.

I have to say that the SDR community has been the most helpful and 
supportive group I've seen!

Thanks,
Dana  N1OFZ

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[Flexradio] Preamp Issue

2007-03-01 Thread Scotty
I'm running an SDR 1000 with the FA-66.  My back-up rigs are a 950SDX and a Pro 
3.  The SDR blows them both away on transmit and receive.

Scotty
N6EDV
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[Flexradio] [Fwd: Preamp issue?]

2007-03-01 Thread Luer Luetkens
Dana,
the SDR-1000 has the lowest noise floor you can expect from a radio. I 
am evaluating this radio and compare it with my Kachina and the 
measurement results of other leading radios. I wonder what you mean with 
the sampling rates you mention for the FA-66. The figures you name are 
Baud rates or communication speeds for serial ports. The sampling rates 
of the FA-66 are 44.1, 48, 96 and 192 kHz. Our radio does not support 
the 44,1 kHz, which is the sampling rate for CDs. The FA-66 connection 
to the PC is done via Fire Wire, the speed of which is far higher. If 
you find the sensitivity of the SDR-1000 to be far lower than one the 
contentional radios, you may have a hardware problem. One difference to 
mention is the s-meter. This is much better with the SDR1K than with 
conventional radios. These are fairly accurate around S 9. They normally 
show nothing below S 4 and exaggerate above S 9. But you report that you 
dont't hear the weaker Stations. This means that it is not a matter of 
the S-meter.
How does it look when you attach the antenna to your SDR1k? It should 
raise the nois floor of your display conciderably.
73, Luer, DF5TP - not very close to your location, rather dx -
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[Flexradio] UCB Info

2007-03-01 Thread Steve Nance
 
Thanks to everyone that responded. Looks like eBay is a good source for
these relays. I found a similar one to the one Mike used with 4 poles and a
28vdc coil. Not the ideal solution, but is cheap enough to suffer through,
perhaps. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/4-NEW-RelComm-RF-Coaxial-Microwave-Switches-DB9-mw-HOT_W
0QQitemZ260031360065QQihZ016QQcategoryZ1504QQcmdZViewItem

This seller wants $22 for four (4) of these, but I bought a set for $20. He
claims to have 100 sets of these so there may be plenty to go around for
those who want some.

Now I need a good source for UT-85 semi-rigid coax and some SMA connectors
to fit. EBay bombed on this one, but I know someone will have a suggestion .


Steve
 

-Original Message-
I know everyone has their UCB's put together by now, so on to the
installation. Does anyone have a source for a multi-pole binary antenna
relay (sma preferred) similar to the one Mike KM0T used. I have Googled, but
haven't found what I want, but I'm not familiar with the Microwave parts
world.

How about some app. notes or enclosure ideas, surely Mike isn't the only one
that's built something or has a plan.

Just shaking the tree...
Steve
 


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Re: [Flexradio] Preamp issue?

2007-03-01 Thread N1OFZ
Thanks everyone for the suggestions.

A local SDR owner has offered to give me a hand.  Hopefully I'll be  
able to determine quickly if it's a software or hardware issue.  I'll  
report back my finding.

I have to say that the SDR community has been the most helpful and  
supportive group I've seen!

Thanks,
Dana  N1OFZ

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Re: [Flexradio] Preamp issue?

2007-03-01 Thread N1OFZ
Tim,

I don't, but when I have an S3 signal on the FT-847 that I hear  
clearly and I tune the same freq on the SDR and I hear nothing but  
static it leads me to believe that the 847 is not too far off.  A S5  
signal on the 847 is clear as a bell and on the SDR it will be barely  
copyable.  Unfortunately I don't have a signal source in the shack to  
calibrate with, so I have to use an on air signal.  The 847 is stock  
(no extra filters) so I know it is not a high performance rig.  The  
SDR should be blowing it's doors off.

Since I'm home today and I'm trying the suggestions as they come in I  
have now installed a T adapter on the antenna's coax with a pair of  
matching patch cables.  I now have a realtime side by side comparison.

Thanks for the suggestions so far,
Dana


On Mar 1, 2007, at 12:00 PM, Tim Ellison wrote:

> Also, don't trust the S meter on the FT-847.  If you have calibrated
> using a  signal of known strength, the SDR-1000 is much more accurate.
>
> -Tim


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Re: [Flexradio] Preamp issue?

2007-03-01 Thread A.R.S. - W5AMI
On 3/1/07, Tim Ellison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Also, don't trust the S meter on the FT-847.  If you have calibrated
> using a  signal of known strength, the SDR-1000 is much more accurate.
>

If you have an accurate 1uV signal generator, you can test the
absolute sensitivty of the rx and compare to others without regard to
the S-meter indications.  Here is an example of how to do this from
the Elecraft site which make a couple of exellent signal generators at
low cost.  Set up both rigs as close as possible in configuration,
filters, mode, preamps, attenuators, etc., and you will find out which
has the better signal to noise and sensitivty.

Here are the steps (much of this applies to the Elecraft units, but
can be used with any rig):

Receiver Sensitivity Testing (Using 1 μV Signal)
The XG1 can be used to test absolute receiver sensitivity, providing a
means of comparing various receivers
or transceivers. The instructions below apply to any type of receiver
or transceiver, but we've included
settings for the Elecraft K1 and K2.
1. If you're testing a transceiver, turn its power output level to
minimum as a precaution, and disconnect the
key or keyer and mic. If you're using an ATU, put it into bypass mode
(CAL or CALS on Elecraft tuners).
2. Connect the XG1 to the antenna jack on the receiver (or
transceiver). You can connect the XG1 directly to
receiver or transceiver using a suitable adapter, such as our model BNC-MM .
NOTE: Keep your hands and other objects away from the XG1 during
measurements, as this may affect the
output signal level, especially at the 1-microvolt setting.
3. Turn AGC OFF if possible. (K2, hold PRE+AGC switches. K1, use AGC
menu entry.)
4. Set RF GAIN to maximum.
5. Turn off the attenuator.
6. Turn on the preamp. NOTE: Preamp OFF tests may also be useful.
7. Select CW mode, narrow passband if available ("CW-N" on some rigs).
8. If possible, set the filter bandwidth for about 500 Hz, the
standard for lab receiver tests. (K2, use FLx =
0.70, which corresponds to about 500 Hz. For the K1, use FLx = 500.)
9. Turn off, bypass, or widen the audio filter if applicable. (K2: see
KAF2 or KDSP2 manual.)
10. Connect the probes of a digital multimeter (DMM) across the
speaker terminals. Set the DMM for 2 or 3
volts AC (or RMS) full-scale. (K2: Connect the DMM across the internal
speaker or the external speaker
jack. If you use the headphone jack, don't plug in headphones at the
same time, since this will form voltage
dividers with R35 and R36, lowering the AC voltage reading.)
11. Set the receiver or transceiver for about 7040 kHz.
12. Turn on the XG1 and set it for 1 microvolt output. Replace the
battery if the low-battery LED turns on.
13. Locate the XG1 signal with the receiver. Peak the signal in the
crystal filter passband.
NOTE: BFO settings can affect sensitivity. If the passband peak occurs
at a pitch well outside the expected
range (typically 500-800 Hz), you may need to realign your BFO
settings using an appropriate method (K2:
see application notes on our web site).
14. Set the AF GAIN control fully clockwise (if this results in a
signal that is loud enough to damage the
speaker or cause distortion, use a reduced setting, but make sure you
use the same setting each time).
15. Note the DMM's reading: ___ Vrms (this is the S+N, or
signal+noise reading). NOTE: This value is
useful for comparing overall receiver gain with that of a reference receiver.
16. Turn off the XG1 and note the new reading: ___ Vrms (this is
the N or noise reading).


Signal-to-Noise And MDS Calculations
Using the results from above, you can calculate the signal-to-noise to
noise ratio (S+N/N) at 1
microvolt, and estimate the MDS (minimum discernable signal) as follows:
A. Divide S+N by N; call the resulting ratio R.
B. Take the base-10 logarithm of R ("log" key on most calculators).
C. Multiply the result by 20 to obtain the S+N/N ratio at 1 microvolt, in dB.
D. If the S+N/N is greater than 10 dB, then the MDS is approximately
equal to the result from (C) subtracted from -107 dBm.
Example: DMM readings of 1.0 Vrms (XG1 on), and 0.030 Vrms (XG1 off).
A. R = 1.0/.03 = 33
B. log(30) = 1.52
C. 20 x 1.48 = about 30 dB (this meets the requirement for step D)
D. MDS = -107 dBm - 30 dB = -137 dBm
A K2 should produce a S+N (XG1 on) reading of roughly 0.4-0.8 Vrms,
and more importantly, an MDS of
about -135 dB or better. With an audio filter installed, the S+N and N
readings may be higher, especially if
you've modified the gain settings, but the MDS should be about the
same. Many factors can affect the S+N
and N readings, including whether a KSB2 or KNB2 is installed, how the
40-m band-pass filter and BFOs
are aligned, how L34 is adjusted, and whether the 2nd XFIL
modification has been made (already present in
K2s with S/N 3000 and higher). If the estimated MDS value is lower
than expected, make sure that you have
the preamp on, AGC off, ATU in bypass mode, and RF GAIN set fully clockwise.
A K1 should produce

Re: [Flexradio] Preamp issue?

2007-03-01 Thread Alan NV8A
But Dan's not just comparing S-meter readings. He's talking about being 
able to hear signals on the FT-847 that he can't hear on the SDR-1000.

I have no ax to grind in this, as I have neither rig.

73

Alan NV8A


On 03/01/07 12:00 pm Tim Ellison wrote:

> Also, don't trust the S meter on the FT-847.  If you have calibrated
> using a  signal of known strength, the SDR-1000 is much more accurate.



>> I've been happily using my SDR-1000 as an IF rig for transverters for
> 
>> a month now.  It seemed to be performing fine.  This weekend I put up
> 
>> dipoles on 10 and 20m and decided to see how it worked on HF and I  
>> was disappointed.  I hooked the same antenna to my FT-847 and was  
>> hearing stations 3-4 S units better.  There were stations that I  
>> couldn't even hear on the SDR-1000.  I guess the reason I thought it  
>> was working well before was because the transverters/preamps are  
>> doing all the heavy lifting.
>>
>> I went to the list archives and read about similar problems and tried
> 
>> all the suggestions I could find to fix it.  I also re-calibrated the
> 
>> radio using WWV as the reference but it made no difference.  I'm  
>> using PowerSDR 1.8.0 with the preamp on high and the AF set at 90.   
>> As a last resort I went through the FA-66 setup guide and found one  
>> problem.  I can't get the sample rate to go higher than 9600.  I get  
>> an invalid sample rate error if I try to set it to 19200.  I'm not  
>> sure that this is related to the problem or not but I thought I'd  
>> mention it.  Anyone have any ideas?
>>
>> Is anyone on the list near Danbury, CT?  I'd be interested in  
>> bringing my radio over and comparing it to see if the problem is  
>> software or hardware related.


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Re: [Flexradio] Preamp issue?

2007-03-01 Thread N1OFZ
It was set at 100.  I've increased it (all the way) to 120 and there  
is no difference audible or on the meter.


On Mar 1, 2007, at 11:13 AM, Mike wrote:

> You did not mention the setting of your RF
> control.  Have you tried that at a high
> (> 100) setting?


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Re: [Flexradio] Preamp issue?

2007-03-01 Thread Tim Ellison
Also, don't trust the S meter on the FT-847.  If you have calibrated
using a  signal of known strength, the SDR-1000 is much more accurate.

-Tim

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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Naruta
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:19 AM
To: N1OFZ
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Preamp issue?

Hi Dana,


You did not mention the setting of your RF
control.  Have you tried that at a high
(> 100) setting?

On earlier versions of PowerSDR,
under the AGC pull-down
choose Custom,
then on the Set Up menu option,
DSP,
AGC/ALC,
under the AGC column you can increase the
Max Gain to as sensitive as you desire.


When I first got my SDR-1000 two years ago, I
thought that it seemed less sensitive than my
other receivers.  Then someone pointed out that
the default AGC setting was chosen to reduce
the noise level.  All I had to do was change
the parameter on the ACG and I had lots of gain.
In the newer versions of the software, they
created the "RF Gain" slider on the front panel
that makes it easy to adjust.


Mike - AA8K


N1OFZ wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been happily using my SDR-1000 as an IF rig for transverters for

> a month now.  It seemed to be performing fine.  This weekend I put up

> dipoles on 10 and 20m and decided to see how it worked on HF and I  
> was disappointed.  I hooked the same antenna to my FT-847 and was  
> hearing stations 3-4 S units better.  There were stations that I  
> couldn't even hear on the SDR-1000.  I guess the reason I thought it  
> was working well before was because the transverters/preamps are  
> doing all the heavy lifting.
> 
> I went to the list archives and read about similar problems and tried

> all the suggestions I could find to fix it.  I also re-calibrated the

> radio using WWV as the reference but it made no difference.  I'm  
> using PowerSDR 1.8.0 with the preamp on high and the AF set at 90.   
> As a last resort I went through the FA-66 setup guide and found one  
> problem.  I can't get the sample rate to go higher than 9600.  I get  
> an invalid sample rate error if I try to set it to 19200.  I'm not  
> sure that this is related to the problem or not but I thought I'd  
> mention it.  Anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Is anyone on the list near Danbury, CT?  I'd be interested in  
> bringing my radio over and comparing it to see if the problem is  
> software or hardware related.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dana  N1OFZ
> 

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Re: [Flexradio] Preamp issue?

2007-03-01 Thread Mike Naruta
Hi Dana,


You did not mention the setting of your RF
control.  Have you tried that at a high
(> 100) setting?

On earlier versions of PowerSDR,
under the AGC pull-down
choose Custom,
then on the Set Up menu option,
DSP,
AGC/ALC,
under the AGC column you can increase the
Max Gain to as sensitive as you desire.


When I first got my SDR-1000 two years ago, I
thought that it seemed less sensitive than my
other receivers.  Then someone pointed out that
the default AGC setting was chosen to reduce
the noise level.  All I had to do was change
the parameter on the ACG and I had lots of gain.
In the newer versions of the software, they
created the "RF Gain" slider on the front panel
that makes it easy to adjust.


Mike - AA8K


N1OFZ wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I've been happily using my SDR-1000 as an IF rig for transverters for  
> a month now.  It seemed to be performing fine.  This weekend I put up  
> dipoles on 10 and 20m and decided to see how it worked on HF and I  
> was disappointed.  I hooked the same antenna to my FT-847 and was  
> hearing stations 3-4 S units better.  There were stations that I  
> couldn't even hear on the SDR-1000.  I guess the reason I thought it  
> was working well before was because the transverters/preamps are  
> doing all the heavy lifting.
> 
> I went to the list archives and read about similar problems and tried  
> all the suggestions I could find to fix it.  I also re-calibrated the  
> radio using WWV as the reference but it made no difference.  I'm  
> using PowerSDR 1.8.0 with the preamp on high and the AF set at 90.   
> As a last resort I went through the FA-66 setup guide and found one  
> problem.  I can't get the sample rate to go higher than 9600.  I get  
> an invalid sample rate error if I try to set it to 19200.  I'm not  
> sure that this is related to the problem or not but I thought I'd  
> mention it.  Anyone have any ideas?
> 
> Is anyone on the list near Danbury, CT?  I'd be interested in  
> bringing my radio over and comparing it to see if the problem is  
> software or hardware related.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dana  N1OFZ
> 

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[Flexradio] Preamp issue?

2007-03-01 Thread N1OFZ
Hi all,

I've been happily using my SDR-1000 as an IF rig for transverters for  
a month now.  It seemed to be performing fine.  This weekend I put up  
dipoles on 10 and 20m and decided to see how it worked on HF and I  
was disappointed.  I hooked the same antenna to my FT-847 and was  
hearing stations 3-4 S units better.  There were stations that I  
couldn't even hear on the SDR-1000.  I guess the reason I thought it  
was working well before was because the transverters/preamps are  
doing all the heavy lifting.

I went to the list archives and read about similar problems and tried  
all the suggestions I could find to fix it.  I also re-calibrated the  
radio using WWV as the reference but it made no difference.  I'm  
using PowerSDR 1.8.0 with the preamp on high and the AF set at 90.   
As a last resort I went through the FA-66 setup guide and found one  
problem.  I can't get the sample rate to go higher than 9600.  I get  
an invalid sample rate error if I try to set it to 19200.  I'm not  
sure that this is related to the problem or not but I thought I'd  
mention it.  Anyone have any ideas?

Is anyone on the list near Danbury, CT?  I'd be interested in  
bringing my radio over and comparing it to see if the problem is  
software or hardware related.

Thanks,
Dana  N1OFZ





  

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[Flexradio] Edirol and Vista

2007-03-01 Thread Andrew Catanzaro
Does anyone know if the Edirol FA-66 runs with Vista? According to the 
Roland/Edirol website, as of today, the manufacturer has yet to check the 
FA-66 with Vista. Perhaps the Windows Professional 64-bit XP Edirol drivers 
will work with Vista?
73,
Andy W9NJY 



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