[Flexradio] Freqency Calib Inop
I have just tried the new Power SDR Beta v1.9.1 and cannot calibrate the frequency as I do with v1.8. When I check 'calibrate' I get a message 'Peak is outside valid range'. My receiver is out of calibration by 160Hz against my reference. Can anyone help? Regards Howard 5B4AHX -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070802/96a28536/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Extrange click noise inside my sdr-1000
Hi all, What I found not normal is i can listen ONLY when i turn on my power supply and SDR is turned off. ATU and 100w PA is installed. maybe that slipped attetion 73 groeten Peter petervn(a)hetnet.nl mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; pa0pvn(a)hetnet.nl mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; pa0pvn(a)gmail.com ; pa0pvn(a)amsat.org . Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] namens Eric Wachsmann Verzonden: wo 1-8-2007 23:49 Aan: 'Ruben Navarro Huedo'; FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Onderwerp: Re: [Flexradio] Extrange click noise inside my sdr-1000 This is to expected behavior for the SDR-1000 (normal is a whole different definition ballgame). ;) If you look back in the history books at the progress of the SDR-1000, you will notice that we built the enclosure long before we had a working amplifier. Unfortunately, we were not able to wire the power for the PA through the front panel switch due to power/current issues with our switch. So the PA (and thus, the ATU) are powered on when there is 13.8V at the terminals of the SDR-1000 EVEN when the front panel switch is off. This condition puts the ATU microcontroller into some kind of a state where it thinks it needs to tune or something causing the ticks. The good news is that this says that you have some pretty decent hearing. ;) Eric Wachsmann FlexRadio Systems PS. Needless to say, we learned from this process and the FLEX-5000 powers down the PA and everything else you'd expect it to when you turn it off ... even if you leave the supply on. ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] radio.biz] On Behalf Of Ruben Navarro Huedo Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:59 AM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Extrange click noise inside my sdr-1000 Hello friends: I have a little and extrange noise inside my sdr-1000. is anybody sleeping there ;-) ? I go to explain: I turn on my 12v power supply. Then i can list click click click inside my sdr-1000. I turn on sdr-1000 ... click stops. I turn off sdr-1000 ... there is no click. i can listen ONLY when i turn on my power supply and SDR is turned off. ATU and 100w PA is installed. Is this normal ? Thank's a lot. -- Ruben Navarro Huedo http://www.palotes.com http://www.palotes.com/ http://www.cabodesantapola.org http://www.cabodesantapola.org/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070802/e6093927/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Transmit problem
Mark, I had the same problem except on 20 meters. I applied some RFI elimination fixes and the problem went away. 73, Chas W1CG At 06:52 PM 8/1/2007, Mark Amos wrote: Flexers, I'm having a transmit problem with my SDR1000. Here's the lineup: SDR1000 with all the options (ATU, PA, RFE, transverter) Edirol FA66 USB cable All audio lines isolated between computer, Edirol and the radio. Ferrite clamps on all of the audio and control cables. Radio gear, computer, tuner, etc. all connected to common shack ground. Palstar tuner Butternut vertical The problem is that on 40 Meters, when I key the transmitter, the forward power goes up over 200 watts with any setting over 10W drive setting. At that point the SWR (as shown on the Palstar and on PowerSDR) goes through the roof, and the power output from the Flex does as well. It ONLY happens on 40 meters and ONLY when connected to the antenna (i.e. there is no problem transmitting into a dummy load.) I substituted a dummy load at each location between the transmitter and the antenna and thus ruled out issues with the coax, bulkhead feedthroughs, tuner, etc. So, it appears to be an antenna problem (perhaps a short or open that only shows up at power above 10 watts...) What puzzles me is the SDR1000 cranking out such high power (as reported by PowerSDR, the tuner and an in-line wattmeter) under a high SWR condition. PowerSDR shows High SWR on the panadapter display, but doesn't cut back the power. So, here's my question: would an RF feedback / antenna problem account for this behavior? Mark ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
Will I be able to with the 5K??? Chasing FW0MO on 80 meters split this morning I enabled the MultiRX so that I could hear the station he just worked. I had the filter set to 100Hz on the FW0 Great, really cut down the qrn so I could copy the FW0 But that also means 100Hz on VFO B. I couldn't find a way to widen VFO B and still maintain 100Hz on VFO A. The panadaptor was showing numerous people calling him but they fell outside of the filter so I couldn't tell which blip was the one I wanted to xmit on. It would be nice to have separate filter widths for each vfo. Or does someone have a better way of doing this? - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to shoot them. - Bill H. in Chicagoland webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080/ weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
FireBrick wrote: Will I be able to with the 5K??? Chasing FW0MO on 80 meters split this morning I enabled the MultiRX so that I could hear the station he just worked. I had the filter set to 100Hz on the FW0 Great, really cut down the qrn so I could copy the FW0 But that also means 100Hz on VFO B. I couldn't find a way to widen VFO B and still maintain 100Hz on VFO A. The panadaptor was showing numerous people calling him but they fell outside of the filter so I couldn't tell which blip was the one I wanted to xmit on. It would be nice to have separate filter widths for each vfo. Or does someone have a better way of doing this? The watch RX can have a different filter in the software. In the SDR core, Frank and I have allowed different filters since the filter is applied completely independently of the first or main RX. What we have not figured out is how to present all of this capability to the user through this GUI. In other words, it is only software but the USEFUL user interface to controlling it separately from the main RX is a cloudy mystery to us right now. We can and will allow this later on when we get our heads back on increasing capabilities. Bob -- AMSAT Director and VP Engineering. Member: ARRL, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats, NJQRP, QRP ARCI, QCWA, FRC. ARRL SDR WG Chair If you're going to be crazy, you have to get paid for it or else you're going to be locked up. Hunter S. Thompson ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
It would be nice to have separate filter widths for each vfo. Or does someone have a better way of doing this? Having separate filters for each VFO in PowerSDR for the SDR-1000 is an enhancement that I requested a while back. I looked at the code, and it wouldn't be hard to implement -- But I'm sure it's in the queue with all the other good ideas. de Peter K1PGV ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
Bill. What you are asking for is not hardware dependent; it is a function of PowerSDR. With the second RX installed (which is very different from MultiWatch), you should have independent control of the filter width. The interaction of the second RX with the transceiver and the UI to manipulate those controls is still in the preliminary design stages. -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FireBrick Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 7:00 AM To: FlexRadio List Subject: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k Will I be able to with the 5K??? Chasing FW0MO on 80 meters split this morning I enabled the MultiRX so that I could hear the station he just worked. I had the filter set to 100Hz on the FW0 Great, really cut down the qrn so I could copy the FW0 But that also means 100Hz on VFO B. I couldn't find a way to widen VFO B and still maintain 100Hz on VFO A. The panadaptor was showing numerous people calling him but they fell outside of the filter so I couldn't tell which blip was the one I wanted to xmit on. It would be nice to have separate filter widths for each vfo. Or does someone have a better way of doing this? - Some people are only alive because it is illegal to shoot them. - Bill H. in Chicagoland webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080/ weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
On 8/2/07, Robert McGwier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FireBrick wrote: Will I be able to with the 5K??? Chasing FW0MO on 80 meters split this morning I enabled the MultiRX so that I could hear the station he just worked. I had the filter set to 100Hz on the FW0 Great, really cut down the qrn so I could copy the FW0 But that also means 100Hz on VFO B. I couldn't find a way to widen VFO B and still maintain 100Hz on VFO A. The panadaptor was showing numerous people calling him but they fell outside of the filter so I couldn't tell which blip was the one I wanted to xmit on. It would be nice to have separate filter widths for each vfo. Or does someone have a better way of doing this? The watch RX can have a different filter in the software. In the SDR core, Frank and I have allowed different filters since the filter is applied completely independently of the first or main RX. What we have not figured out is how to present all of this capability to the user through this GUI. In other words, it is only software but the USEFUL user interface to controlling it separately from the main RX is a cloudy mystery to us right now. We can and will allow this later on when we get our heads back on increasing capabilities. Bob Might be worth looking into Iron Python which can be embedded into PowerSDR. This would give a scripting language in Python which natively knows .NET. People then could write scripts to hook various radio chain pieces together. There would have to be some wrapping of DttSP functions in managed code so the DSP module could be used as radio building blocks (somewhat similar to GNURadio with python). I started on this idea back in 2005 with SharpDSP. Now that Mono has come a long way since 2005, I am looking at it again. Of course, to do anything really useful with it users will have to commit to learn a little Python, otherwise it won't help them much. 73 Phil N8VB ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Transmit problem
Mark, I have had some problems with PA oscillation around 5.6 Mhz if the power supply voltage fell below 13 volts. The frequency of oscillation was dependent on PA voltage and NOT drive frequency. I solved it with a little extra bypassing on the B+ lead at the PA. 73's Mark NU6X -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Amos Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:52 PM To: FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Transmit problem Flexers, I'm having a transmit problem with my SDR1000. Here's the lineup: SDR1000 with all the options (ATU, PA, RFE, transverter) Edirol FA66 USB cable All audio lines isolated between computer, Edirol and the radio. Ferrite clamps on all of the audio and control cables. Radio gear, computer, tuner, etc. all connected to common shack ground. Palstar tuner Butternut vertical The problem is that on 40 Meters, when I key the transmitter, the forward power goes up over 200 watts with any setting over 10W drive setting. At that point the SWR (as shown on the Palstar and on PowerSDR) goes through the roof, and the power output from the Flex does as well. It ONLY happens on 40 meters and ONLY when connected to the antenna (i.e. there is no problem transmitting into a dummy load.) I substituted a dummy load at each location between the transmitter and the antenna and thus ruled out issues with the coax, bulkhead feedthroughs, tuner, etc. So, it appears to be an antenna problem (perhaps a short or open that only shows up at power above 10 watts...) What puzzles me is the SDR1000 cranking out such high power (as reported by PowerSDR, the tuner and an in-line wattmeter) under a high SWR condition. PowerSDR shows High SWR on the panadapter display, but doesn't cut back the power. So, here's my question: would an RF feedback / antenna problem account for this behavior? Mark ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
Robert McGwier wrote: In other words, it is only software but the USEFUL user interface to controlling it separately from the main RX is a cloudy mystery to us right now. Actually, I think it's pretty clear how to do it at this point. The interface will require a 3D compositing window manager, however. The spectrum display and visual overlays need to be 3D objects that can be shuffled in the z-plane. 73 Frank AB2KT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
On 8/2/2007 10:54:42 AM, Frank Brickle ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Robert McGwier wrote: In other words, it is only software but the USEFUL user interface to controlling it separately from the main RX is a cloudy mystery to us right now. Actually, I think it's pretty clear how to do it at this point. The interface will require a 3D compositing window manager, however. The spectrum display and visual overlays need to be 3D objects that can be shuffled in the z-plane. 73 Frank AB2KT Frank, I have no idea what you just said. I have to take it on faith. The hardest thing for me at this age is learning the hand/eye interface coordination to quickly adjust filters, frequency, mode in conjunction with either my DX oriented logging programs or my contest oriented logging programs so I can work at maximum speed. The 'FOCUS' problem that only one program, (PWSDR) or (logging/contest) can accept input or adjustments at a time. I'm slowly improving my 'technique' but there is a wall that I will reach and realize I'll never overcome. ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Freqency Calib Inop
Hello Howard, I have sent the same question to the list. I found I can calibrate the frequency with the 50 microvolt of the Elecraft XG-2. After calibration to that signal, I can even as well calibrate on the 1 microvolt signal of the XG-2. It appears as if the frequency of the SDR is too far off, it needs a very strong signal to calibrate on. Something must have changed in between v1.8.0 and Beta 1.9.1 and SVN1382. RWM time signal is S9 here most of the time. It has never been any problem to calibrate the frequency on that signal. Maybe the software specialist of Flex can tell more. 73 Eddy ON5UQ. - Original Message - From: Howard Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: [Flexradio] Freqency Calib Inop I have just tried the new Power SDR Beta v1.9.1 and cannot calibrate the frequency as I do with v1.8. When I check 'calibrate' I get a message 'Peak is outside valid range'. My receiver is out of calibration by 160Hz against my reference. Can anyone help? Regards Howard 5B4AHX -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070802/96a28536/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] I can't seem to do this
Frank, Sorry, I don't understand what you said either. Would you please explain it for me??? In a 2 (independant) receiver scenario will BOTH radios have Dual Watch or one or none?? Regards David - G4PNX -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070802/cc8fdac9/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Freqency Calib Inop
I have also seen this...have been unable to use the auto frequency calibration.. peak is outside valid range.. wwv is normally well above the noise.. usually the only large signal in the spectrum.. this has been since starting the 1.9 series..svn's Ray J W9RAY Van de Velde Eddy wrote: Hello Howard, I have sent the same question to the list. I found I can calibrate the frequency with the 50 microvolt of the Elecraft XG-2. After calibration to that signal, I can even as well calibrate on the 1 microvolt signal of the XG-2. It appears as if the frequency of the SDR is too far off, it needs a very strong signal to calibrate on. Something must have changed in between v1.8.0 and Beta 1.9.1 and SVN1382. RWM time signal is S9 here most of the time. It has never been any problem to calibrate the frequency on that signal. Maybe the software specialist of Flex can tell more. 73 Eddy ON5UQ. - Original Message - From: Howard Benjamin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 8:54 AM Subject: [Flexradio] Freqency Calib Inop I have just tried the new Power SDR Beta v1.9.1 and cannot calibrate the frequency as I do with v1.8. When I check 'calibrate' I get a message 'Peak is outside valid range'. My receiver is out of calibration by 160Hz against my reference. Can anyone help? Regards Howard 5B4AHX -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20070802/96a28536/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
You joke Frank, but how cool would it be to don your stereo goggles and see each receive waterfall as a three dimensional surface? You could use your cyber-glove to reach into one of the receive planes and grasp an interesting signal, setting the filter widths with your hand motions. You could then touch the start of his signal to hear the whole transmission. I can hardly wait for version 2 of the software. Gonna have to upgrade my PC again.:) Mike - AA8K Frank Brickle wrote: Robert McGwier wrote: In other words, it is only software but the USEFUL user interface to controlling it separately from the main RX is a cloudy mystery to us right now. Actually, I think it's pretty clear how to do it at this point. The interface will require a 3D compositing window manager, however. The spectrum display and visual overlays need to be 3D objects that can be shuffled in the z-plane. 73 Frank AB2KT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
Gonna have to upgrade my PC again. Anybody seen any surplus Cray's on Ebay? :-) -Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Naruta Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 3:36 PM To: Frank Brickle Cc: FlexRadio List; Robert McGwier Subject: Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k You joke Frank, but how cool would it be to don your stereo goggles and see each receive waterfall as a three dimensional surface? You could use your cyber-glove to reach into one of the receive planes and grasp an interesting signal, setting the filter widths with your hand motions. You could then touch the start of his signal to hear the whole transmission. I can hardly wait for version 2 of the software. Gonna have to upgrade my PC again.:) Mike - AA8K Frank Brickle wrote: Robert McGwier wrote: In other words, it is only software but the USEFUL user interface to controlling it separately from the main RX is a cloudy mystery to us right now. Actually, I think it's pretty clear how to do it at this point. The interface will require a 3D compositing window manager, however. The spectrum display and visual overlays need to be 3D objects that can be shuffled in the z-plane. 73 Frank AB2KT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] [OT] Compositing for a fantastic 3D Console
All you need is an entry level Pentium-IV running Linux!!! This is what compositing (CompIZ and Beryl) are all about. There are some stunning examples out there. Imagine putting one Console on each face - you get eight main and sub-receivers! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uplw5tlB1ag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb-ZMtf01MU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9ClklzJQ7k and of course for our general audience: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compositing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz de Ken N9VV (stupid 3D enthusiast) Tim Ellison wrote: Gonna have to upgrade my PC again. Anybody seen any surplus Cray's on Ebay? :-) -Tim ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
It would be nice to have separate filter widths for each vfo. Or does someone have a better way of doing this? Having separate filters for each VFO in PowerSDR for the SDR-1000 is an enhancement that I requested a while back. I looked at the code, and it wouldn't be hard to implement -- But I'm sure it's in the queue with all the other good ideas. I don't think it is as easy as it looks. It's a question of presentation and screen real estate. The code is no doubt the easy bit. In practice, I haven't found this restriction to be a big issue and I just finished up a DXCC on 80 meters (CW). Just make sure you customize (especially on CW) your filter widths correctly. My settings were made into a knowledge base article a while back. I think they work great, but the point is, you can set your own. I find that I have to dynamically alter the value in any serious pileup anyway, and mostly for the not DX portion of it. Usually, filter values run between 125 and 300 Hz, changing dynamically. I don't find filter widths below 125 Hz useful in pileups. Try several sizes between 125 and 500 -- I think you'll find it usually does well enough. I don't usually find the setting for the width for the DX (when working split, which is what we're discussing) terribly useful. The key is listening to the pileup. If you're in a situation where the DX is so weak it needs its own, tighter filter, IMHO, you're probably not going to beat a pileup anyway. The DX is too weak to work on your path. It's a rare day where the DX is going to come _close_ to outlistening the SDR on an HF path. Larry Wo0Z ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
I don't think it is as easy as it looks. It's a question of presentation and screen real estate. The code is no doubt the easy bit. I don't understand the presentation issue. Today, there's a blue overlay that shows the area on the panadapter display that corresponds to the SubRx. All I'm talking about is being able to set the width of the SubRx display filter separately from that of the Main Rx display. Same panadpter graphical approach, with the same display limitations. But at least you get to set Main and Sub widths separately. In practice, I haven't found this restriction to be a big issue and I just finished up a DXCC on 80 meters (CW). snip If you're in a situation where the DX is so weak it needs its own, tighter filter, IMHO, you're probably not going to beat a pileup anyway. The DX is too weak to work on your path. It's a rare day where the DX is going to come _close_ to outlistening the SDR on an HF path. There's actually quite a bit of wisdom in what you're saying. NEED the second filter? No. But it's easy to argue that there's darn little that one really NEEDs. But would separate filter sizes for VFOA and VFOB be NICE? I think so. I work digital modes almost exclusively. Thus, I'm looking at separate waterfall displays from each VFO. In my world, I very often find that I would like to have a really tight filter on the DX station (like, 50Hz for a PSK31 signal or 250Hz for an RTTY signal), and another really wide filter (5KHz) to watch the pileup. The tight filter would allow me to isolate the DX and potentially increase the copy rate, as well as avoid the folks that tune up next to the DX or call right next to the DX because they apparently believe that up 3-5 means up 3-5 HZ (or something -- nothing that we can do about the folks that call or tune-up right on the DX's frequency). So, yes, you are entirely correct: This isn't a major limitation or a life-and-death, oh gosh, wouldn't the SDR-1000 be so much better if we had this feature in PowerSDR for me. But I think it would be a nice to have... de Peter K1PGV ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Conceptualizing a new UI - 10 Easy Steps
Preach on, Brother Duane. Amen. 73 Frank AB2KT Duane - N9DG wrote: N9DG's ten easy steps on how to begin conceptualizing a new PC based user interface for use with the FlexRadio hardware: 1. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 2. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 3. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 4. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 5. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 6. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 7. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 8. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 9. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 10. Visualize what it is that you would really like to do to control your radio hardware using a mouse and graphical display presentations. And then once you mastered steps 1-10 be sure to: Resist all temptations to make a single do it all user interface. :)... Duane N9DG Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
[Flexradio] Conceptualizing a new UI - 10 Easy Steps
N9DG's ten easy steps on how to begin conceptualizing a new PC based user interface for use with the FlexRadio hardware: 1. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 2. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 3. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 4. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 5. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 6. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 7. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 8. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 9. Forget everything that you know and understand about the knobs and buttons metaphor for radio control. 10. Visualize what it is that you would really like to do to control your radio hardware using a mouse and graphical display presentations. And then once you mastered steps 1-10 be sure to: Resist all temptations to make a single do it all user interface. :)... Duane N9DG Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
If you're in a situation where the DX is so weak it needs its own, tighter filter, IMHO, you're probably not going to beat a pileup anyway. The DX is too weak to work on your path. It's a rare day where the DX is going to come _close_ to outlistening the SDR on an HF path. I have to disagree on this issue There is no doubt, especially IOTA that 160/80 meter signals are VERY weak due to portable equipment issues. But they can still hear very well. Vlad from many of his recent African Tour was very weak here, but he always gave me 599. wink And I worked him, by listening to the VERY WIDE qsx spread he used and finding the stations he worked. In this case, the narrow filter on him, and a wide filter on the pileup (which many times was 20kc or more. - Newspaper Headline: Panda Mating Fails; Veterinarian Takes Over - Bill H. in Chicagoland webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080/ weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
Tim Ellison wrote: Gonna have to upgrade my PC again. Anybody seen any surplus Cray's on Ebay? :-) Sure. Seen all the Sony PS3s there? ;-) I wasn't joking about the display, BTW. What we're talking about is perfectly realistic. This is one case, though, where a picture is worth 1e6 words, and rather than try to pack it all into email, I'm going to continue writing it up for the DCC. The 3D part is in the internal representation of the object. No special glasses needed. 73 Frank AB2KT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
Please accept these ideas as no comment on the current concept of our SDR front ends, but.. I think we are too focussed on panadapter/waterfall displays since that is again how we think from fft conceptualization. I see conversation streams, representing a visual representation of the mode of the stream, some indication of Quality of Service (like the old rst in days past) and then a representation of the content inside the mode (so streams of text for digital modes, waveforms for voice?, use our imagination). So, instead of seeing signal, lets see streams! Neal Campbell K3NC On Aug 2, 2007, at 8:35 PM, Frank Brickle wrote: Tim Ellison wrote: Gonna have to upgrade my PC again. Anybody seen any surplus Cray's on Ebay? :-) Sure. Seen all the Sony PS3s there? ;-) I wasn't joking about the display, BTW. What we're talking about is perfectly realistic. This is one case, though, where a picture is worth 1e6 words, and rather than try to pack it all into email, I'm going to continue writing it up for the DCC. The 3D part is in the internal representation of the object. No special glasses needed. 73 Frank AB2KT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
Neal Campbell K3NC wrote: I see conversation streams, representing a visual representation of the mode of the stream, some indication of Quality of Service (like the old rst in days past) and then a representation of the content inside the mode (so streams of text for digital modes, waveforms for voice?, use our imagination). Absolutely. The more general issue here, from a design standpoint, is that it's hopeless to undertake designing a single application that will accommodate all scenarios. The need is for a virtual radio environment which supports creating operating scenarios dynamically. From a programming standpoint, the virtual radio is a lot more like a high-performance game than a glass front panel, no matter how elegantly decorated. 73 Frank AB2KT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] I can't seem to do this with PWSDR1k
A spectrum-landscape version of Second Life? Sign me up! Neal On 8/2/07, Frank Brickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Neal Campbell K3NC wrote: I see conversation streams, representing a visual representation of the mode of the stream, some indication of Quality of Service (like the old rst in days past) and then a representation of the content inside the mode (so streams of text for digital modes, waveforms for voice?, use our imagination). Absolutely. The more general issue here, from a design standpoint, is that it's hopeless to undertake designing a single application that will accommodate all scenarios. The need is for a virtual radio environment which supports creating operating scenarios dynamically. From a programming standpoint, the virtual radio is a lot more like a high-performance game than a glass front panel, no matter how elegantly decorated. 73 Frank AB2KT ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
