Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
IMHO, the 2 x F3K is much less appealing for two key reasons: 1) No separate RX antenna inputs 2) No diversity receiving If we are talking about two individual radios, that due to software limitations need two computers, why not run two virtual machines on a modern quad-core i7 Intel machine with two Firewire cards? Rudy N2WQ --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Jim Fuller N7VR n...@fuller.net wrote: From: Jim Fuller N7VR n...@fuller.net Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 12:20 AM I have been looking at this from a bit different point of view. As Neal mentioned Flex 3000's, I will share the thinking. I am considering two Flex 3000s each run by a computer on a network. I can use a KVM switch to handle the keyboard, mouse and maybe mic (using Video Ports) switching. Each computer/Flex 3000 system would run it's own version of N1MM and use the database interlinking to share the contacts, in the same as a multi transmitter station setup. Because each Radio would have it's own screen, amp, antenna, I could work separate bands for multiplier gathering. However, I also think the Flex 5000 with and RX2 would work easier. Just have not looked everything over far enough. The thing that would allow this to work is that N1MM can synchronize data between multiple computers. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:43 PM To: Tim Ellison Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting I have put in a lot of mental hours and more than a few emails on this topic over the past 2 years, for 2 reasons. I think the Flex radios could be the premier contest radio on the market with just a bit of work and I also think our general ham community would benefit from the changes (plus it would increase sales which means Flex will remain healthy and produce that 128 module rig I have been hoping for! In reality, I think 2x3000s are the premier config. We would need to fandangle PowerSDR, build on the 5000 implementation logic so it could run dual panadapters from two 3000s instead of 1 dual-rx 5000. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: The amp can be triggered by any one of three (3) keying ports. Unfortunately, they at triggered by TX only, regardless of what VFO is transmitting. Although that seems to be an easy software enhancement to do what you are asking for. -Tim -Original Message- From: Rudy Bakalov [mailto:r_baka...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:21 PM To: Tim Ellison; flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting Option #2 seems perfect! Can each RX trigger a different amp? One step closer to nirvana :-) Rudy N2WQ --Original Message-- From: Tim Ellison To: Rudy Bakalov To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:12 PM I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. This you can't do. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT2 or ANT3 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT1 on all bands. This you can do. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rudy Bakalov Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:39 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting OK, very quickly it became clear than I don't need a pair of F5Ks, but just one with the second receiver installed. This is great! No need to spend twice as much With respect to the TX antenna selection, selection per band will not work for me as I am designing my station in such a way that both radios can access all antennas at any time, as long as as the antenna is not currently in use by the other radio. So coax 1 can have any band from 160 to 10 m and so does coax 2. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. I also want RX1 to trigger amplifier 1 and RX2 to trigger amplifier 2. It's all about the software; can this be done by changing the PowerSDR code? Could this work? 73 Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
Ray, Unless I am missing something, the fact that both receivers are active at all times is irrelevant to antenna switching. The software already maintains a table that links each receiver to its input antenna; it simply needs to maintain a second table that defines which port (and amp key) should be used when the TX focus moves to that receiver. It's that simple. Now, if PowerSDR cannot do the switching, can we do this using the logger? Specifically, can we send CAT commands to the radio just like as it were an Icom or whatever else radio? Rudy N2WQ --- On Tue, 12/8/09, K9DUR k9...@rnacs.com wrote: From: K9DUR k9...@rnacs.com Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting To: r_baka...@yahoo.com, 'Tim Ellison' telli...@itsco.com, flexradio@flex-radio.biz Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 12:01 AM Rudy, As I pointed out in a reply to Tim's comment (which I sent before reading your last post), BOTH receivers are active all of the time. There is simply NO WAY for any software to know which receiver you are listening to at any given time and be able to switch the TX antenna accordingly. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I think I found the answer in the CAT dictionary document. There are CAT commands that switch the TX antenna (ZZOC) and amp relay (ZZOF). Rudy N2WQ --- On Tue, 12/8/09, Rudy Bakalov r_baka...@yahoo.com wrote: Now, if PowerSDR cannot do the switching, can we do this using the logger? Specifically, can we send CAT commands to the radio just like as it were an Icom or whatever else radio? ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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The best thing about the 2x3K setup is you have redundancy, lose one radio (not that I think you will but it does happen) and you have a second one already in service. I wish the virtual machine solution would work but there are none that support firewire that I know of! 73 Neal ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
[Flexradio] Flex in contesting
Hello all, I am considering switching from traditional radios to a pair of F5s for SO2R contesting. I have spent fair amount of time browsing the archives and reading the manual, but some of my questions still remain unanswered. I'd greatly appreciate some thoughts from fellow contesters. I have the following 3 questions: 1. How do you connect 2 radios to N1MM? What kind of hardware do you need? Seems to me that running one radio + N1MM is a no brainer as I can create virtual sound and comm ports that N1MM can use. But what about a second radio? Can I run a second instance of PowerSDR on the same computer? 2. It seems that TX OUT can be selected on a per overall system basis, but not on a per receiver- e.g. ANT1 for TX/RX1 and ANT2 for TX/RX2. Am I missing something? The idea is to have a different antenna for transmitting on the frequency of each receiver so that I can have 2 amplifiers, 2 sets of antennas, etc. 3. From user interface perspective, how do you handle using the contest logger + PowerSDR at the same time? After all, mouse and keyboard are always related to the foremost application; changing the focus moves the mouse and keyboard to the other application. So I can either use the logger or PowerSDR, but not both. How do I type in the logger while playing with the filter for example? Your thoughts and experience will be greatly appreciated. I am very interested in SDRs, but not 100% sure how to integrate and use into a SO2R setup. 73, Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
Rudy, I use N1MM with my FLEX-5000a in contests. I have RX2 installed, but have never tried SO2R. So, I cannot answer many of your questions, but I will tackle what I can. If you have the RX2 have the antennas set per band, then if you hear something on RX2 that you want to work, quickly hit the AB button the F5K will automatically set the antennas, TX Relay Out, etc. for the new transmit band. Hit AB again to go back to your run frequency. Since N1MM Logger grabs the focus any time the frequency changes, I don't worry about it. I uses the up down arrows to scroll the frequency (N1MM shortcut keys). When I am SP'ing (which is 99.99% of the time) I click on signals on the panadapter, PowerSDR tunes the radio (VFO A or VFO B) to the new freq N1MM immediately grabs the focus back so you are ready to enter data for the new contact. Others will have to answer the question about running 2 instances of PowerSDR on the same computer, but I really think you can make SO2R work with only one F5K (sorry. Greg). Then, connecting to N1MM is a no brainer, one serial port connection using a virtual serial port pair. As for using a virtual sound card with N1MM, good luck. I have the new .dll from K1TTT which allows me to select the soundcard for N1MM to use to transmit .wav files, but I have not yet been successful in doing so. The audio comes across choppy. I probably have something set wrong, but I'll be darned if I can find the right setup! Because of this, I wrote a voice keyer program (available free from my website) which allows me to use it in contests along with N1MM. The only problem is that it will not send a serial number like N1MM does, so I have to do that manually if the contest requires one. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
I would not consider a pair of FLEX-5000s for several reasons. If you add the RX2 (independent 2nd receiver) to one FLEX-5000, you have SO2R in a single box. Each independent receiver can have the TX frequency quickly assigned to it with a single mouse click on the console. All you have to do is put the RX2 on ANT-1 and RX1 on either ANT-2 or ANT-3. These are transceivers ports, so you can connect an amp to each. Antenna connecter assignments can be selected on a per BAND basis and they can all be independent of each other (TX, RX1 and RX2). See the S02R mode description in this KB article http://kc.flex-radio.com/KnowledgebaseArticle50385.aspx Now the contest logging issue is probably the biggest one you face and it is because contest loggers are not designed to handle this type of scenario. Depending on the software, you might be able to get it to recognize VFO A (RX1) and VFO B (RX2) but getting it to understand the transmitting frequency might be a problem and that will result in a logging issue. I have not tried this out with Win-Test and I don't use N1MM, so someone else how has used N1MM will have to comment. BWT, you can not connect two FLEX-5000s, two FLEX-3000s or one of each to the same computer. There is no way to enumerate them in the software, so your best bet is to use 1 FLEX-5000 with an RX2. You will have to wait until the Deep Impact software comes out to connect multiple Firewire based SDRs to the same computer. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rudy Bakalov Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:43 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting Hello all, I am considering switching from traditional radios to a pair of F5s for SO2R contesting. I have spent fair amount of time browsing the archives and reading the manual, but some of my questions still remain unanswered. I'd greatly appreciate some thoughts from fellow contesters. I have the following 3 questions: 1. How do you connect 2 radios to N1MM? What kind of hardware do you need? Seems to me that running one radio + N1MM is a no brainer as I can create virtual sound and comm ports that N1MM can use. But what about a second radio? Can I run a second instance of PowerSDR on the same computer? 2. It seems that TX OUT can be selected on a per overall system basis, but not on a per receiver- e.g. ANT1 for TX/RX1 and ANT2 for TX/RX2. Am I missing something? The idea is to have a different antenna for transmitting on the frequency of each receiver so that I can have 2 amplifiers, 2 sets of antennas, etc. 3. From user interface perspective, how do you handle using the contest logger + PowerSDR at the same time? After all, mouse and keyboard are always related to the foremost application; changing the focus moves the mouse and keyboard to the other application. So I can either use the logger or PowerSDR, but not both. How do I type in the logger while playing with the filter for example? Your thoughts and experience will be greatly appreciated. I am very interested in SDRs, but not 100% sure how to integrate and use into a SO2R setup. 73, Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
you don't need two radio with N1MM In factit may be darn near imposible. N1MM will only accept (I think it's 8) com ports. They do not have any provision for com ports higher than that. As you must use 'virtual com ports', that's already 4 pairs. So that may be a deal breaker. But as using the RX2 as the second radio, it bypasses the com port issue. I contest with a F5K but I'm old and slow so one radio is almost too much. but I have set it up just to try it. I got it working...to a degree, but never really tried to do it seriously. On 12/7/2009 5:42:43 PM, Rudy Bakalov (r_baka...@yahoo.com) wrote: Hello all, I am considering switching from traditional radios to a pair of F5s for SO2R contesting. I have spent fair amount of time browsing the archives and reading the manual, but some of my questions still remain unanswered. I'd greatly appreciate some thoughts from fellow contesters. I have the following 3 questions: 1. How do you connect 2 radios to N1MM? What kind of hardware do you need? Seems to me that running one radio + N1MM is a no brainer as I can create virtual sound and comm ports that N1MM can use. But what about a second radio? Can I run a second instance of PowerSDR on the same computer? 2. It seems that TX OUT can be selected on a per overall system basis, but not on a per receiver- e.g. ANT1 for TX/RX1 and ANT2 for TX/RX2. Am I missing something? The idea is to have a different antenna for transmitting on the frequency of each receiver so that I can have 2 amplifiers, 2 sets of antennas, etc. 3. From user interface perspective, how do you handle using the contest logger + PowerSDR at the same time? After all, mouse and keyboard are always related to the foremost application; changing the focus moves the mouse and keyboard to the other application. So I can either use the logger or PowerSDR, but not both. How do I type in the logger while pl ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
OK, very quickly it became clear than I don't need a pair of F5Ks, but just one with the second receiver installed. This is great! No need to spend twice as much With respect to the TX antenna selection, selection per band will not work for me as I am designing my station in such a way that both radios can access all antennas at any time, as long as as the antenna is not currently in use by the other radio. So coax 1 can have any band from 160 to 10 m and so does coax 2. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. I also want RX1 to trigger amplifier 1 and RX2 to trigger amplifier 2. It's all about the software; can this be done by changing the PowerSDR code? Could this work? 73 Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I got to run out to a meeting. butI think you can. You gotta look at DDUt, a program that connects multiple devices which can communicate/follow the Flex. http://k5fr.com/ddutilwiki/index.php?title=Main_Page He also has a com port program http://k5fr.com/ddutilwiki/index.php?title=VSP_Manager but I'd be carefull about letting any antenna be the choice. man I've made mistakes using only one antenna On 12/7/2009 6:38:44 PM, Rudy Bakalov (r_baka...@yahoo.com) wrote: OK, very quickly it became clear than I don't need a pair of F5Ks, but just one with the second receiver installed. This is great! No need to spend twice as much With respect to the TX antenna selection, selection per band will not work for me as I am designing my station in such a way that both radios can access all antennas at any time, as long as as the antenna is not currently in use by the other radio. So coax 1 can have any band from 160 to 10 m and so does coax 2. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. I also want RX1 to trigger amplifier 1 and RX2 to trigger amplifier 2. It's all about the software; can this be done by changing the PowerSDR code? Could this work? 73 Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio. com/ Message delivered to w...@billnjudy.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. This you can't do. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT2 or ANT3 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT1 on all bands. This you can do. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rudy Bakalov Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:39 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting OK, very quickly it became clear than I don't need a pair of F5Ks, but just one with the second receiver installed. This is great! No need to spend twice as much With respect to the TX antenna selection, selection per band will not work for me as I am designing my station in such a way that both radios can access all antennas at any time, as long as as the antenna is not currently in use by the other radio. So coax 1 can have any band from 160 to 10 m and so does coax 2. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. I also want RX1 to trigger amplifier 1 and RX2 to trigger amplifier 2. It's all about the software; can this be done by changing the PowerSDR code? Could this work? 73 Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting
Option #2 seems perfect! Can each RX trigger a different amp? One step closer to nirvana :-) Rudy N2WQ --Original Message-- From: Tim Ellison To: Rudy Bakalov To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:12 PM I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. This you can't do. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT2 or ANT3 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT1 on all bands. This you can do. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rudy Bakalov Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:39 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting OK, very quickly it became clear than I don't need a pair of F5Ks, but just one with the second receiver installed. This is great! No need to spend twice as much With respect to the TX antenna selection, selection per band will not work for me as I am designing my station in such a way that both radios can access all antennas at any time, as long as as the antenna is not currently in use by the other radio. So coax 1 can have any band from 160 to 10 m and so does coax 2. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. I also want RX1 to trigger amplifier 1 and RX2 to trigger amplifier 2. It's all about the software; can this be done by changing the PowerSDR code? Could this work? 73 Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com Sent via BlackBerry by ATT ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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The amp can be triggered by any one of three (3) keying ports. Unfortunately, they at triggered by TX only, regardless of what VFO is transmitting. Although that seems to be an easy software enhancement to do what you are asking for. -Tim -Original Message- From: Rudy Bakalov [mailto:r_baka...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:21 PM To: Tim Ellison; flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting Option #2 seems perfect! Can each RX trigger a different amp? One step closer to nirvana :-) Rudy N2WQ --Original Message-- From: Tim Ellison To: Rudy Bakalov To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:12 PM I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. This you can't do. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT2 or ANT3 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT1 on all bands. This you can do. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rudy Bakalov Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:39 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting OK, very quickly it became clear than I don't need a pair of F5Ks, but just one with the second receiver installed. This is great! No need to spend twice as much With respect to the TX antenna selection, selection per band will not work for me as I am designing my station in such a way that both radios can access all antennas at any time, as long as as the antenna is not currently in use by the other radio. So coax 1 can have any band from 160 to 10 m and so does coax 2. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. I also want RX1 to trigger amplifier 1 and RX2 to trigger amplifier 2. It's all about the software; can this be done by changing the PowerSDR code? Could this work? 73 Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com Sent via BlackBerry by ATT ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I have put in a lot of mental hours and more than a few emails on this topic over the past 2 years, for 2 reasons. I think the Flex radios could be the premier contest radio on the market with just a bit of work and I also think our general ham community would benefit from the changes (plus it would increase sales which means Flex will remain healthy and produce that 128 module rig I have been hoping for! In reality, I think 2x3000s are the premier config. We would need to fandangle PowerSDR, build on the 5000 implementation logic so it could run dual panadapters from two 3000s instead of 1 dual-rx 5000. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: The amp can be triggered by any one of three (3) keying ports. Unfortunately, they at triggered by TX only, regardless of what VFO is transmitting. Although that seems to be an easy software enhancement to do what you are asking for. -Tim -Original Message- From: Rudy Bakalov [mailto:r_baka...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:21 PM To: Tim Ellison; flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting Option #2 seems perfect! Can each RX trigger a different amp? One step closer to nirvana :-) Rudy N2WQ --Original Message-- From: Tim Ellison To: Rudy Bakalov To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:12 PM I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. This you can't do. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT2 or ANT3 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT1 on all bands. This you can do. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rudy Bakalov Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:39 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting OK, very quickly it became clear than I don't need a pair of F5Ks, but just one with the second receiver installed. This is great! No need to spend twice as much With respect to the TX antenna selection, selection per band will not work for me as I am designing my station in such a way that both radios can access all antennas at any time, as long as as the antenna is not currently in use by the other radio. So coax 1 can have any band from 160 to 10 m and so does coax 2. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. I also want RX1 to trigger amplifier 1 and RX2 to trigger amplifier 2. It's all about the software; can this be done by changing the PowerSDR code? Could this work? 73 Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com Sent via BlackBerry by ATT ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to nealk...@gmail.com ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Bill, You are correct, N1MM only allows you to use COM1 through COM8. However, that is not really a deal-breaker. The ports in a pair do not have to be consecutive. I use 2 virtual port pairs to connect N1MM to PowerSDR. In N1mm they are COM7 Com8, but they are paired with COM17 COM18 respectively. PowerSDR does not have the serial port number limitation that N1MM has. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Tim, You wrote; I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT2 or ANT3 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT1 on all bandsThis you can do. No, he can't. He wants RX1 to TX on ANT2 or ANT3 on all bands, and for RX2 to TX on ANT1 on all bands. He wants the TX to follow the antenna being used by whichever receiver he is using. However, since BOTH receivers are active all of the time, I do not see any way to make PowerSDR (or any software) read his mind know which receiver he is listening to at the moment. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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Rudy, As I pointed out in a reply to Tim's comment (which I sent before reading your last post), BOTH receivers are active all of the time. There is simply NO WAY for any software to know which receiver you are listening to at any given time and be able to switch the TX antenna accordingly. 73, Ray, K9DUR http://k9dur.info ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to arch...@mail-archive.com
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I have been looking at this from a bit different point of view. As Neal mentioned Flex 3000's, I will share the thinking. I am considering two Flex 3000s each run by a computer on a network. I can use a KVM switch to handle the keyboard, mouse and maybe mic (using Video Ports) switching. Each computer/Flex 3000 system would run it's own version of N1MM and use the database interlinking to share the contacts, in the same as a multi transmitter station setup. Because each Radio would have it's own screen, amp, antenna, I could work separate bands for multiplier gathering. However, I also think the Flex 5000 with and RX2 would work easier. Just have not looked everything over far enough. The thing that would allow this to work is that N1MM can synchronize data between multiple computers. Jim Fuller N7VR -- http://www.n7vr.org International TCP/IP Gateways Robot Operator -- http://www.ampr-gateways.org MTAPRS NET Server Operator -- http://www.mtaprs.net CWOP-2 -- http://www.wxqa.com IRLP Node 3398 - http://irlp.fuller.net Original ARECC contributor -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Neal Campbell Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:43 PM To: Tim Ellison Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting I have put in a lot of mental hours and more than a few emails on this topic over the past 2 years, for 2 reasons. I think the Flex radios could be the premier contest radio on the market with just a bit of work and I also think our general ham community would benefit from the changes (plus it would increase sales which means Flex will remain healthy and produce that 128 module rig I have been hoping for! In reality, I think 2x3000s are the premier config. We would need to fandangle PowerSDR, build on the 5000 implementation logic so it could run dual panadapters from two 3000s instead of 1 dual-rx 5000. Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 242 0911 Amateur Radio: K3NC Blog: http://www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/blog/ DXBase bug reports: email to ca...@dxbase.fogbugz.com Abroham Neal forums: http:/www.abrohamnealsoftware.com/community/ On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: The amp can be triggered by any one of three (3) keying ports. Unfortunately, they at triggered by TX only, regardless of what VFO is transmitting. Although that seems to be an easy software enhancement to do what you are asking for. -Tim -Original Message- From: Rudy Bakalov [mailto:r_baka...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 8:21 PM To: Tim Ellison; flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting Option #2 seems perfect! Can each RX trigger a different amp? One step closer to nirvana :-) Rudy N2WQ --Original Message-- From: Tim Ellison To: Rudy Bakalov To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: RE: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting Sent: Dec 7, 2009 8:12 PM I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. This you can't do. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT2 or ANT3 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT1 on all bands. This you can do. -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Rudy Bakalov Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 7:39 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Flex in contesting OK, very quickly it became clear than I don't need a pair of F5Ks, but just one with the second receiver installed. This is great! No need to spend twice as much With respect to the TX antenna selection, selection per band will not work for me as I am designing my station in such a way that both radios can access all antennas at any time, as long as as the antenna is not currently in use by the other radio. So coax 1 can have any band from 160 to 10 m and so does coax 2. I simply want RX1 to TX on ANT1 on all bands and RX2 to TX on ANT2 on all bands. I also want RX1 to trigger amplifier 1 and RX2 to trigger amplifier 2. It's all about the software; can this be done by changing the PowerSDR code? Could this work? 73 Rudy N2WQ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message delivered to telli...@itsco.com Sent via BlackBerry by ATT ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ Message
