Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay.
I've been using my Flex 5000 with a SB-200 and installed Harbach soft-key for several years. Whatever is the default keying delay setting is what I've been using and neither rig has coughed up any hair balls over the past 5 years. Pete, wa2cwa http://www.manualman.com On Mon, 2 Sep 2013 06:10:25 -0700 Steven Hess writes: > I've been running 5 ms and seemed to have no problems there but am > cautious > which is the reason for my inquiry. > I have a Harbach Electronics Soft-Key installed in the SB 200 and > also am > using a AmpKeyer in line as it provides a standby mode and I was > gifted it. > I have noted the 50 ms and am trying that as it seems like an idea > that > will be gentler on the 572b tubes. > > > On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Lee Mushel > wrote: > > > Interesting thread. I suspect that the topic is simpler than > people > > might want it to be. When I started to use the Flex3000 with a > rather > > heavily used SB200 some three years ago I wondered about the > possibility of > > mixing tube and solid-state voltages and was told to "not worry > about it." > > But being a conservative person I bought a "Sunlight" isolation > relay box > > (no longer available), never adjusted anything and have never had > any > > problems. But then I've long felt that people tend to be overly > cautious > > which can lead to wanting to be "taken care of." > > > > 73 > > > > Lee K9WRU ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay.
Seeing as I am using two of these devices in series I am good to go here. I can understand the relay closure and setting issue. My understanding was the Grid voltage dropped when keyed? Or am I thinking of something else? I am trying 50 ms. I am not seeing any real difference in how my rig responds with the increased setting. I may try an even less aggressive setting here. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Jordan Arndt wrote: > Page 9 of the Flex5k manual discusses the keying line limitations and > shows an intermediate ckt to be used called the "Protective PTT circuit > between TX1-3 and Amplifier". The relay you use "external" to the Flex > should handle whatever voltage/current parameters are required by your rig. > If you have a -125Vdc line to be keyed, use a relay with contacts rated for > that voltage or better. A 30-50ms delay should be fine... > > 73...Jordan VE6ZT > > - Original Message - From: "Jim Barber" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 8:18 AM > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay. > > > If you don't care about arcing the relay contacts or generating a burst >> of nasty, broad signal when you key up, >> then of course you'd be right. >> >> If your transceiver could handle the switch voltage/current/inductive >> spike of the amplifier relay key line, >> you'd be right again. In your case, though, since the SB-200 uses a 120V >> relay coil, I somehow doubt the F3K's >> switching transistor would tolerate that for long without the isolation >> box. Perhaps someone from Flex knows the actual spec. >> >> Not sure how "overly cautious" applies here? >> >> 73, >> Jim N7CXI >> >> On 9/2/2013 7:01 AM, Lee Mushel wrote: >> >>> Interesting thread. I suspect that the topic is simpler than people >>> might want it to be. When I started to use the Flex3000 with a rather >>> heavily used SB200 some three years ago I wondered about the possibility of >>> mixing tube and solid-state voltages and was told to "not worry about it." >>> But being a conservative person I bought a "Sunlight" isolation relay box >>> (no longer available), never adjusted anything and have never had any >>> problems. But then I've long felt that people tend to be overly cautious >>> which can lead to wanting to be "taken care of." >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Lee K9WRU >>> - Original Message - From: "Jim Barber" >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:14 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay. >>> >>> >>> 50ms is probably around the minimum for an SB-200. >>>> >>>> It all depends on the relay(s). In the case of the SB-200 it's an old >>>> open-frame type, very slow. Amps advertised for "QSK" use often have vacuum >>>> relays, which can switch many times faster. >>>> >>>> If you're running SSB, keep in mind that hotswitching the antenna >>>> contacts is the major issue, but not the only one. Some amp designs (not >>>> the SB-200) have a separate relay for the tube bias, which is often >>>> buffered with a simple R/C network. The point is that you shouldn't put >>>> drive on the tube(s) before the operating bias has had time to switch from >>>> cut-off to operate. In the case of the SB-220 for example, the cutoff bias >>>> is set to a unnecessarily high voltage as a matter of convenience, which >>>> makes the situation worse. >>>> >>>> My .02, >>>> >>>> Jim N7CXI >>>> >>>> >>>> On 9/1/2013 8:22 PM, Steve Sterling wrote: >>>> >>>>> Steven-- I was kinda waiting to see what others thought, but haven't >>>>> seen any response in 24+ hours. >>>>> >>>>> I have mine set at 50ms. That's a pretty reasonable time for power >>>>> and antenna relays to pull in and get seated. >>>>> >>>>> I originally started at 100ms, but the delay was noticable-- not long, >>>>> but you could kinda tell it was there. I can't tell 50ms at all, except a >>>>> little on CW. I start getting faults in my amp with less than 20-25ms of >>>>> transmit delay on 80 and 40 meters. 20 meters I could set it at 0ms and >>>>> it >>>>> never faults. Go figure. >>>>> >>>>> Steve WA7DUH >>>
Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay.
Page 9 of the Flex5k manual discusses the keying line limitations and shows an intermediate ckt to be used called the "Protective PTT circuit between TX1-3 and Amplifier". The relay you use "external" to the Flex should handle whatever voltage/current parameters are required by your rig. If you have a -125Vdc line to be keyed, use a relay with contacts rated for that voltage or better. A 30-50ms delay should be fine... 73...Jordan VE6ZT - Original Message - From: "Jim Barber" Cc: Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay. If you don't care about arcing the relay contacts or generating a burst of nasty, broad signal when you key up, then of course you'd be right. If your transceiver could handle the switch voltage/current/inductive spike of the amplifier relay key line, you'd be right again. In your case, though, since the SB-200 uses a 120V relay coil, I somehow doubt the F3K's switching transistor would tolerate that for long without the isolation box. Perhaps someone from Flex knows the actual spec. Not sure how "overly cautious" applies here? 73, Jim N7CXI On 9/2/2013 7:01 AM, Lee Mushel wrote: Interesting thread. I suspect that the topic is simpler than people might want it to be. When I started to use the Flex3000 with a rather heavily used SB200 some three years ago I wondered about the possibility of mixing tube and solid-state voltages and was told to "not worry about it." But being a conservative person I bought a "Sunlight" isolation relay box (no longer available), never adjusted anything and have never had any problems. But then I've long felt that people tend to be overly cautious which can lead to wanting to be "taken care of." 73 Lee K9WRU - Original Message ----- From: "Jim Barber" Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay. 50ms is probably around the minimum for an SB-200. It all depends on the relay(s). In the case of the SB-200 it's an old open-frame type, very slow. Amps advertised for "QSK" use often have vacuum relays, which can switch many times faster. If you're running SSB, keep in mind that hotswitching the antenna contacts is the major issue, but not the only one. Some amp designs (not the SB-200) have a separate relay for the tube bias, which is often buffered with a simple R/C network. The point is that you shouldn't put drive on the tube(s) before the operating bias has had time to switch from cut-off to operate. In the case of the SB-220 for example, the cutoff bias is set to a unnecessarily high voltage as a matter of convenience, which makes the situation worse. My .02, Jim N7CXI On 9/1/2013 8:22 PM, Steve Sterling wrote: Steven-- I was kinda waiting to see what others thought, but haven't seen any response in 24+ hours. I have mine set at 50ms. That's a pretty reasonable time for power and antenna relays to pull in and get seated. I originally started at 100ms, but the delay was noticable-- not long, but you could kinda tell it was there. I can't tell 50ms at all, except a little on CW. I start getting faults in my amp with less than 20-25ms of transmit delay on 80 and 40 meters. 20 meters I could set it at 0ms and it never faults. Go figure. Steve WA7DUH On 8/31/2013 7:52 AM, Steven Hess wrote: I've got a SB 200 with a interface for proper keying from a modern rig to the relay installed. What should I set the TXOut delay for to make sure the relays are properly closed before I pass RF to the amplifier? I've got it set for 7 In the General Options tab of PowerSDR right now. Steven ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay.
If you don't care about arcing the relay contacts or generating a burst of nasty, broad signal when you key up, then of course you'd be right. If your transceiver could handle the switch voltage/current/inductive spike of the amplifier relay key line, you'd be right again. In your case, though, since the SB-200 uses a 120V relay coil, I somehow doubt the F3K's switching transistor would tolerate that for long without the isolation box. Perhaps someone from Flex knows the actual spec. Not sure how "overly cautious" applies here? 73, Jim N7CXI On 9/2/2013 7:01 AM, Lee Mushel wrote: Interesting thread. I suspect that the topic is simpler than people might want it to be. When I started to use the Flex3000 with a rather heavily used SB200 some three years ago I wondered about the possibility of mixing tube and solid-state voltages and was told to "not worry about it." But being a conservative person I bought a "Sunlight" isolation relay box (no longer available), never adjusted anything and have never had any problems. But then I've long felt that people tend to be overly cautious which can lead to wanting to be "taken care of." 73 Lee K9WRU - Original Message - From: "Jim Barber" Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay. 50ms is probably around the minimum for an SB-200. It all depends on the relay(s). In the case of the SB-200 it's an old open-frame type, very slow. Amps advertised for "QSK" use often have vacuum relays, which can switch many times faster. If you're running SSB, keep in mind that hotswitching the antenna contacts is the major issue, but not the only one. Some amp designs (not the SB-200) have a separate relay for the tube bias, which is often buffered with a simple R/C network. The point is that you shouldn't put drive on the tube(s) before the operating bias has had time to switch from cut-off to operate. In the case of the SB-220 for example, the cutoff bias is set to a unnecessarily high voltage as a matter of convenience, which makes the situation worse. My .02, Jim N7CXI On 9/1/2013 8:22 PM, Steve Sterling wrote: Steven-- I was kinda waiting to see what others thought, but haven't seen any response in 24+ hours. I have mine set at 50ms. That's a pretty reasonable time for power and antenna relays to pull in and get seated. I originally started at 100ms, but the delay was noticable-- not long, but you could kinda tell it was there. I can't tell 50ms at all, except a little on CW. I start getting faults in my amp with less than 20-25ms of transmit delay on 80 and 40 meters. 20 meters I could set it at 0ms and it never faults. Go figure. Steve WA7DUH On 8/31/2013 7:52 AM, Steven Hess wrote: I've got a SB 200 with a interface for proper keying from a modern rig to the relay installed. What should I set the TXOut delay for to make sure the relays are properly closed before I pass RF to the amplifier? I've got it set for 7 In the General Options tab of PowerSDR right now. Steven ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay.
I've been running 5 ms and seemed to have no problems there but am cautious which is the reason for my inquiry. I have a Harbach Electronics Soft-Key installed in the SB 200 and also am using a AmpKeyer in line as it provides a standby mode and I was gifted it. I have noted the 50 ms and am trying that as it seems like an idea that will be gentler on the 572b tubes. On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Lee Mushel wrote: > Interesting thread. I suspect that the topic is simpler than people > might want it to be. When I started to use the Flex3000 with a rather > heavily used SB200 some three years ago I wondered about the possibility of > mixing tube and solid-state voltages and was told to "not worry about it." > But being a conservative person I bought a "Sunlight" isolation relay box > (no longer available), never adjusted anything and have never had any > problems. But then I've long felt that people tend to be overly cautious > which can lead to wanting to be "taken care of." > > 73 > > Lee K9WRU > - Original Message - From: "Jim Barber" > Cc: > Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay. > > > 50ms is probably around the minimum for an SB-200. >> >> It all depends on the relay(s). In the case of the SB-200 it's an old >> open-frame type, very slow. Amps advertised for "QSK" use often have vacuum >> relays, which can switch many times faster. >> >> If you're running SSB, keep in mind that hotswitching the antenna >> contacts is the major issue, but not the only one. Some amp designs (not >> the SB-200) have a separate relay for the tube bias, which is often >> buffered with a simple R/C network. The point is that you shouldn't put >> drive on the tube(s) before the operating bias has had time to switch from >> cut-off to operate. In the case of the SB-220 for example, the cutoff bias >> is set to a unnecessarily high voltage as a matter of convenience, which >> makes the situation worse. >> >> My .02, >> >> Jim N7CXI >> >> >> On 9/1/2013 8:22 PM, Steve Sterling wrote: >> >>> Steven-- I was kinda waiting to see what others thought, but haven't >>> seen any response in 24+ hours. >>> >>> I have mine set at 50ms. That's a pretty reasonable time for power and >>> antenna relays to pull in and get seated. >>> >>> I originally started at 100ms, but the delay was noticable-- not long, >>> but you could kinda tell it was there. I can't tell 50ms at all, except a >>> little on CW. I start getting faults in my amp with less than 20-25ms of >>> transmit delay on 80 and 40 meters. 20 meters I could set it at 0ms and it >>> never faults. Go figure. >>> >>> Steve WA7DUH >>> >>> On 8/31/2013 7:52 AM, Steven Hess wrote: >>> >>>> I've got a SB 200 with a interface for proper keying from a modern rig >>>> to >>>> the relay installed. >>>> What should I set the TXOut delay for to make sure the relays are >>>> properly >>>> closed before I pass RF to the amplifier? I've got it set for 7 In the >>>> General Options tab of PowerSDR right now. >>>> >>>> Steven >>>> >>>> >>> >>> __**_ >>> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >>> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >>> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/**mailman/listinfo/flexradio_**flex-radio.biz<http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz> >>> Archives: >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/**flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/<http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/> >>> Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: >>> http://www.flexradio.com/ >>> >>> >> >> __**_ >> FlexRadio Systems Mailing List >> FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz >> http://mail.flex-radio.biz/**mailman/listinfo/flexradio_**flex-radio.biz<http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz> >> Archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/**flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/<http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/> >> Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: >> http://www.flexradio.com/ >> >> >> > > > __**_ > FlexRadio Systems Mailing List > FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz > http://mail.flex-radio.biz/**mailman/listinfo/flexradio_**f
Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay.
Interesting thread. I suspect that the topic is simpler than people might want it to be. When I started to use the Flex3000 with a rather heavily used SB200 some three years ago I wondered about the possibility of mixing tube and solid-state voltages and was told to "not worry about it." But being a conservative person I bought a "Sunlight" isolation relay box (no longer available), never adjusted anything and have never had any problems. But then I've long felt that people tend to be overly cautious which can lead to wanting to be "taken care of." 73 Lee K9WRU - Original Message - From: "Jim Barber" Cc: Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2013 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay. 50ms is probably around the minimum for an SB-200. It all depends on the relay(s). In the case of the SB-200 it's an old open-frame type, very slow. Amps advertised for "QSK" use often have vacuum relays, which can switch many times faster. If you're running SSB, keep in mind that hotswitching the antenna contacts is the major issue, but not the only one. Some amp designs (not the SB-200) have a separate relay for the tube bias, which is often buffered with a simple R/C network. The point is that you shouldn't put drive on the tube(s) before the operating bias has had time to switch from cut-off to operate. In the case of the SB-220 for example, the cutoff bias is set to a unnecessarily high voltage as a matter of convenience, which makes the situation worse. My .02, Jim N7CXI On 9/1/2013 8:22 PM, Steve Sterling wrote: Steven-- I was kinda waiting to see what others thought, but haven't seen any response in 24+ hours. I have mine set at 50ms. That's a pretty reasonable time for power and antenna relays to pull in and get seated. I originally started at 100ms, but the delay was noticable-- not long, but you could kinda tell it was there. I can't tell 50ms at all, except a little on CW. I start getting faults in my amp with less than 20-25ms of transmit delay on 80 and 40 meters. 20 meters I could set it at 0ms and it never faults. Go figure. Steve WA7DUH On 8/31/2013 7:52 AM, Steven Hess wrote: I've got a SB 200 with a interface for proper keying from a modern rig to the relay installed. What should I set the TXOut delay for to make sure the relays are properly closed before I pass RF to the amplifier? I've got it set for 7 In the General Options tab of PowerSDR right now. Steven ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay.
50ms is probably around the minimum for an SB-200. It all depends on the relay(s). In the case of the SB-200 it's an old open-frame type, very slow. Amps advertised for "QSK" use often have vacuum relays, which can switch many times faster. If you're running SSB, keep in mind that hotswitching the antenna contacts is the major issue, but not the only one. Some amp designs (not the SB-200) have a separate relay for the tube bias, which is often buffered with a simple R/C network. The point is that you shouldn't put drive on the tube(s) before the operating bias has had time to switch from cut-off to operate. In the case of the SB-220 for example, the cutoff bias is set to a unnecessarily high voltage as a matter of convenience, which makes the situation worse. My .02, Jim N7CXI On 9/1/2013 8:22 PM, Steve Sterling wrote: Steven-- I was kinda waiting to see what others thought, but haven't seen any response in 24+ hours. I have mine set at 50ms. That's a pretty reasonable time for power and antenna relays to pull in and get seated. I originally started at 100ms, but the delay was noticable-- not long, but you could kinda tell it was there. I can't tell 50ms at all, except a little on CW. I start getting faults in my amp with less than 20-25ms of transmit delay on 80 and 40 meters. 20 meters I could set it at 0ms and it never faults. Go figure. Steve WA7DUH On 8/31/2013 7:52 AM, Steven Hess wrote: I've got a SB 200 with a interface for proper keying from a modern rig to the relay installed. What should I set the TXOut delay for to make sure the relays are properly closed before I pass RF to the amplifier? I've got it set for 7 In the General Options tab of PowerSDR right now. Steven ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] TXOut Delay.
Steven-- I was kinda waiting to see what others thought, but haven't seen any response in 24+ hours. I have mine set at 50ms. That's a pretty reasonable time for power and antenna relays to pull in and get seated. I originally started at 100ms, but the delay was noticable-- not long, but you could kinda tell it was there. I can't tell 50ms at all, except a little on CW. I start getting faults in my amp with less than 20-25ms of transmit delay on 80 and 40 meters. 20 meters I could set it at 0ms and it never faults. Go figure. Steve WA7DUH On 8/31/2013 7:52 AM, Steven Hess wrote: I've got a SB 200 with a interface for proper keying from a modern rig to the relay installed. What should I set the TXOut delay for to make sure the relays are properly closed before I pass RF to the amplifier? I've got it set for 7 In the General Options tab of PowerSDR right now. Steven ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
[Flexradio] TXOut Delay.
I've got a SB 200 with a interface for proper keying from a modern rig to the relay installed. What should I set the TXOut delay for to make sure the relays are properly closed before I pass RF to the amplifier? I've got it set for 7 In the General Options tab of PowerSDR right now. Steven -- Apply appropriate technology. Use what works without prejudice. Steven L Hess ARS KC6KGE DM05gd22 Google Voice 661 769 6201 +SMS openSUSE Linux 12.3 KDE Known as FlameBait and The Sock Puppet of Doom. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flexradio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flexradio.com/
