Re: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

2008-07-11 Thread Mark Ericksen
I spent a lot of time looking around for information on DPC's.  I found 
interesting information at the Roland Cakewalk forums (www.cakewalk.com).

Someone asked what BIOS I was using on my EX38-DQ6 board.  It is a beta BIOS 
number F3B and it is not listed on the Gigabyte download website.  It has to 
be requested by Email.

Someone asked if I could recommend a motherboard.  I don't think I'll be 
using any more Gigabyte boards.  So far the Abit IX38 board is working well 
with Vista for photo and video editing.  I have used ASUS boards before with 
good success.  I hear that many Intel boards are good.  At this point I 
don't feel comfortable recommending a specific board.  I do believe that 
research relating to DPCs on motherboards is very important, prior to 
purchase.

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From: "Dale Boresz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 6:12 PM
To: "Mark Ericksen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

> Hello Mark,
>
> Thanks for sharing this interesting information. Do you have a good 
> resource for motherboard reviews that address effectiveness of DPC 
> handling?
>
> 73, Dale
> WA8SRA
>
>
>
> Mark Ericksen wrote:
>> I built two machines recently, one for my ham radio work, which includes 
>> connection to my Flex 5000, and one for photo and video editing (I take a 
>> lot of pictures and videos of my granddaughter).   In both machines I 
>> used the Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 CPU.   My photo and video machine runs 
>> Vista with 4GB of memory installed on an Abit IX38 motherboard, and my 
>> ham radio machine runs Windows XP with 2 GB of Memory installed on a 
>> Gigabyte EX38-DQ6.  I have been building machines for years, but I 
>> learned a few things from this effort that I am willing to share.
>>
>> *  Before selecting a motherboard do some research on the Internet paying 
>> close attention to how well a motherboard performs handling Deferred 
>> Procedure Calls.  My Gigabyte board has issues with DPC's as verified by 
>> my Internet research that occurred after I purchased the board, 
>> unfortunately. If the motherboard has poor performance handling DPC's 
>> then it is possible that PowerSDR may freeze during operation.  My 
>> Gigabyte motherboard is currently running a beta BIOS to correct its DPC 
>> issues.  I had issues with PowerSDR freezing prior to this update.
>>
>> *  Vista may work with PowerSDR but I have found that in general Windows 
>> XP does a better job in handling DPC's and therefore working with 
>> PowerSDR.  I tried using both Vista and XP with PowerSDR and I got better 
>> results with XP.
>>
>> *  Use good quality computer cables on all connections with ferrite 
>> beads.
>>
>> *  Use a good quality power supply.
>>
>> --
>> From: "Jim Menefee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:04 PM
>> To: 
>> Subject: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!
>>
>>
>>> Time to change the CPU and Mother Board.  I have both a SRD 1000 and 
>>> 5000. I
>>> run a lot of stuff in the background for biz (CS4-Dreamweaver, etc) and 
>>> use
>>> 4 monitors. I have been eyeing the 6600 CPU's for $189.00  from Tiger
>>> Direct.  I would love to hear from others if this is the way to go and a
>>> suggestion of a good Mother Board to go with it.  Also, what is the SDR
>>> software designed or best suited for - Duel - Quad, etc?
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Re: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

2008-07-11 Thread radioart
Hello all,

Maybe this comment will help:  I have a core 2 duo and a friend of mine has a 
quad core.  Both are new Dell 530's.  During SSB transmittion using the 10 band 
EQ and compander software in PowerSDR his CPU runs at around 10% and mine, with 
the duo core, runs at 25%.

Ciao, Dennis, k0eoo


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> I've been doing some further reading on the subject and I think my original
> post is incorrect.  The statement about 99% being written to run on one
> processor is the most confusing, because it fails to allow for HyperThreaded
> single core processors.  I am not a programmer, and have waded out past the
> shallow end.   It should be very easy to test the efficiency with which
> PowerSDK deploys 2 cores over a single core.  Benchmark a system running a
> single core processor with PowerSDK running along with several other
> programs that the original poster mentioned that he would like to keep
> running, then using a tool like Sysinternal's "Process Explorer", look to
> see how balanced the split CPU load percentages stay when PowerSDK is fired
> up (while the several other program are already going).  I hope this makes
> sense.  
> 
>  
> 
> -Jacky Winters
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
> Frank Brickle
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: Jim Menefee; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!
> 
>  
> 
> PowerSDR and DttSP are multithreaded, and have been since Day One.
> 
> 73
> Frank
> AB2KT
> 
> On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:23 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> You'd think that two processor cores running side by side would surely be
> faster than a single core right? And four cores working simultaneously would
> certainly run circles around it? Well no, only if the application that you
> are running is multithreaded and thus can take advantage of the extra cores
> - remember that about 99% of all software available today is programmed to
> run on a single core processor. Hence it isn't multithreaded and thus in the
> vast majority of cases you won't see a speed up, as the second, third or
> fourth core is just sitting there idling, or handling simple operating
> system tasks that don't eat up a lot of processing power in the first place.
> 
> Jacky Winters
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Menefee
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:04 PM
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!
> 
> Time to change the CPU and Mother Board.  I have both a SRD 1000 and 5000. I
> run a lot of stuff in the background for biz (CS4-Dreamweaver, etc) and use
> 4 monitors. I have been eyeing the 6600 CPU's for $189.00  from Tiger
> Direct.  I would love to hear from others if this is the way to go and a
> suggestion of a good Mother Board to go with it.  Also, what is the SDR
> software designed or best suited for - Duel - Quad, etc?
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Re: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

2008-07-10 Thread Mark Ericksen
I built two machines recently, one for my ham radio work, which includes 
connection to my Flex 5000, and one for photo and video editing (I take a 
lot of pictures and videos of my granddaughter).   In both machines I used 
the Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 CPU.   My photo and video machine runs Vista with 
4GB of memory installed on an Abit IX38 motherboard, and my ham radio 
machine runs Windows XP with 2 GB of Memory installed on a Gigabyte 
EX38-DQ6.  I have been building machines for years, but I learned a few 
things from this effort that I am willing to share.

*  Before selecting a motherboard do some research on the Internet paying 
close attention to how well a motherboard performs handling Deferred 
Procedure Calls.  My Gigabyte board has issues with DPC's as verified by my 
Internet research that occurred after I purchased the board, unfortunately. 
If the motherboard has poor performance handling DPC's then it is possible 
that PowerSDR may freeze during operation.  My Gigabyte motherboard is 
currently running a beta BIOS to correct its DPC issues.  I had issues with 
PowerSDR freezing prior to this update.

*  Vista may work with PowerSDR but I have found that in general Windows XP 
does a better job in handling DPC's and therefore working with PowerSDR.  I 
tried using both Vista and XP with PowerSDR and I got better results with 
XP.

*  Use good quality computer cables on all connections with ferrite beads.

*  Use a good quality power supply.

--
From: "Jim Menefee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:04 PM
To: 
Subject: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

> Time to change the CPU and Mother Board.  I have both a SRD 1000 and 5000. 
> I
> run a lot of stuff in the background for biz (CS4-Dreamweaver, etc) and 
> use
> 4 monitors. I have been eyeing the 6600 CPU's for $189.00  from Tiger
> Direct.  I would love to hear from others if this is the way to go and a
> suggestion of a good Mother Board to go with it.  Also, what is the SDR
> software designed or best suited for - Duel - Quad, etc?
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Re: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

2008-07-10 Thread sdr1000
I've been doing some further reading on the subject and I think my original
post is incorrect.  The statement about 99% being written to run on one
processor is the most confusing, because it fails to allow for HyperThreaded
single core processors.  I am not a programmer, and have waded out past the
shallow end.   It should be very easy to test the efficiency with which
PowerSDK deploys 2 cores over a single core.  Benchmark a system running a
single core processor with PowerSDK running along with several other
programs that the original poster mentioned that he would like to keep
running, then using a tool like Sysinternal's "Process Explorer", look to
see how balanced the split CPU load percentages stay when PowerSDK is fired
up (while the several other program are already going).  I hope this makes
sense.  

 

-Jacky Winters

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Frank Brickle
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:48 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Jim Menefee; flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

 

PowerSDR and DttSP are multithreaded, and have been since Day One.

73
Frank
AB2KT

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:23 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You'd think that two processor cores running side by side would surely be
faster than a single core right? And four cores working simultaneously would
certainly run circles around it? Well no, only if the application that you
are running is multithreaded and thus can take advantage of the extra cores
- remember that about 99% of all software available today is programmed to
run on a single core processor. Hence it isn't multithreaded and thus in the
vast majority of cases you won't see a speed up, as the second, third or
fourth core is just sitting there idling, or handling simple operating
system tasks that don't eat up a lot of processing power in the first place.

Jacky Winters



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Menefee
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:04 PM
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
Subject: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

Time to change the CPU and Mother Board.  I have both a SRD 1000 and 5000. I
run a lot of stuff in the background for biz (CS4-Dreamweaver, etc) and use
4 monitors. I have been eyeing the 6600 CPU's for $189.00  from Tiger
Direct.  I would love to hear from others if this is the way to go and a
suggestion of a good Mother Board to go with it.  Also, what is the SDR
software designed or best suited for - Duel - Quad, etc?
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Re: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

2008-07-10 Thread Frank Brickle
PowerSDR and DttSP are multithreaded, and have been since Day One.

73
Frank
AB2KT

On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 2:23 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You'd think that two processor cores running side by side would surely be
> faster than a single core right? And four cores working simultaneously
> would
> certainly run circles around it? Well no, only if the application that you
> are running is multithreaded and thus can take advantage of the extra cores
> - remember that about 99% of all software available today is programmed to
> run on a single core processor. Hence it isn't multithreaded and thus in
> the
> vast majority of cases you won't see a speed up, as the second, third or
> fourth core is just sitting there idling, or handling simple operating
> system tasks that don't eat up a lot of processing power in the first
> place.
>
> Jacky Winters
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Menefee
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:04 PM
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!
>
> Time to change the CPU and Mother Board.  I have both a SRD 1000 and 5000.
> I
> run a lot of stuff in the background for biz (CS4-Dreamweaver, etc) and use
> 4 monitors. I have been eyeing the 6600 CPU's for $189.00  from Tiger
> Direct.  I would love to hear from others if this is the way to go and a
> suggestion of a good Mother Board to go with it.  Also, what is the SDR
> software designed or best suited for - Duel - Quad, etc?
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Re: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

2008-07-10 Thread John Melton
Also, with the 'New Architecture', I can guarantee that multi-core 
processors will be well supported ;-)

-- John g0orx/n6lyt



Ken N9VV wrote:
> I recommend that all multi-core enthusiasts use this free utility
> from Ed in Chicago: http://www.geocities.com/edgemeal_software/
> It allows you to assign any application to any core and keeps it that way.
> 
> So if you run multiple applications, you can separate them and hope that 
> the Operating System has enough cycles to do fast context switching 
> without a DPC penality :-)
> http://kb.flex-radio.com/article.aspx?id=10445
> 
> GL de Ken N9VV
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> You'd think that two processor cores running side by side would surely be
>> faster than a single core right? And four cores working simultaneously would
>> certainly run circles around it? Well no, only if the application that you
>> are running is multithreaded and thus can take advantage of the extra cores
>> - remember that about 99% of all software available today is programmed to
>> run on a single core processor. Hence it isn't multithreaded and thus in the
>> vast majority of cases you won't see a speed up, as the second, third or
>> fourth core is just sitting there idling, or handling simple operating
>> system tasks that don't eat up a lot of processing power in the first place.
>>
>> Jacky Winters
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Menefee
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:04 PM
>> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
>> Subject: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!
>>
>> Time to change the CPU and Mother Board.  I have both a SRD 1000 and 5000. I
>> run a lot of stuff in the background for biz (CS4-Dreamweaver, etc) and use
>> 4 monitors. I have been eyeing the 6600 CPU's for $189.00  from Tiger
>> Direct.  I would love to hear from others if this is the way to go and a
>> suggestion of a good Mother Board to go with it.  Also, what is the SDR
>> software designed or best suited for - Duel - Quad, etc?
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Re: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

2008-07-10 Thread Ken N9VV
I recommend that all multi-core enthusiasts use this free utility
from Ed in Chicago: http://www.geocities.com/edgemeal_software/
It allows you to assign any application to any core and keeps it that way.

So if you run multiple applications, you can separate them and hope that 
the Operating System has enough cycles to do fast context switching 
without a DPC penality :-)
http://kb.flex-radio.com/article.aspx?id=10445

GL de Ken N9VV

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> You'd think that two processor cores running side by side would surely be
> faster than a single core right? And four cores working simultaneously would
> certainly run circles around it? Well no, only if the application that you
> are running is multithreaded and thus can take advantage of the extra cores
> - remember that about 99% of all software available today is programmed to
> run on a single core processor. Hence it isn't multithreaded and thus in the
> vast majority of cases you won't see a speed up, as the second, third or
> fourth core is just sitting there idling, or handling simple operating
> system tasks that don't eat up a lot of processing power in the first place.
> 
> Jacky Winters
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Menefee
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 4:04 PM
> To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz
> Subject: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!
> 
> Time to change the CPU and Mother Board.  I have both a SRD 1000 and 5000. I
> run a lot of stuff in the background for biz (CS4-Dreamweaver, etc) and use
> 4 monitors. I have been eyeing the 6600 CPU's for $189.00  from Tiger
> Direct.  I would love to hear from others if this is the way to go and a
> suggestion of a good Mother Board to go with it.  Also, what is the SDR
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Re: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

2008-07-10 Thread sdr1000
You'd think that two processor cores running side by side would surely be
faster than a single core right? And four cores working simultaneously would
certainly run circles around it? Well no, only if the application that you
are running is multithreaded and thus can take advantage of the extra cores
- remember that about 99% of all software available today is programmed to
run on a single core processor. Hence it isn't multithreaded and thus in the
vast majority of cases you won't see a speed up, as the second, third or
fourth core is just sitting there idling, or handling simple operating
system tasks that don't eat up a lot of processing power in the first place.

Jacky Winters


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Subject: [Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

Time to change the CPU and Mother Board.  I have both a SRD 1000 and 5000. I
run a lot of stuff in the background for biz (CS4-Dreamweaver, etc) and use
4 monitors. I have been eyeing the 6600 CPU's for $189.00  from Tiger
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[Flexradio] Time for an upgrade!

2008-07-10 Thread Jim Menefee
Time to change the CPU and Mother Board.  I have both a SRD 1000 and 5000. I
run a lot of stuff in the background for biz (CS4-Dreamweaver, etc) and use
4 monitors. I have been eyeing the 6600 CPU's for $189.00  from Tiger
Direct.  I would love to hear from others if this is the way to go and a
suggestion of a good Mother Board to go with it.  Also, what is the SDR
software designed or best suited for - Duel - Quad, etc?
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