Re: [Flexradio] rfi from the sdr

2007-06-01 Thread Lee A Crocker
I doesn't sound like the SDR to me it sounds like a ground loop or common mode 
at the computer.  I would first make sure everything is plugged in at the same 
place, not going through multiple strips each with its own protection  Ground 
everything to the same point.  Isolate things that carry RF like feedlines that 
includes the line between the amp and the rig as well as between the amp and 
antenna.  This is the basic minimum then I would start adding ferrite and stuff 
like that.  

73  W9OY




 

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[Flexradio] rfi from the sdr

2007-05-31 Thread FireBrick
I've experience a little rfi.
I do not get these problems with my ft1000mp running 1000 watts out of a 
vl1000 amp.
So, I'm pretty sure it's the sdr.

Locks the keyboard
can but not always, lock PowerSDR.
shuts down one of the USB cameras.

Fine as long as I stay below 400 watts output.
Worse on 17, 12, (haven't tried 10 but bet on it)

Well grounded system, same computer as the Yaesu.

So before I start with torroids on all the cables,
I'd like to do this systematically and if anyone else experienced this 
situation.
So if anyone experienced something similar, and found torroids on FA-66 
power cable did the trick.



What was the cable, connection, that they found was the culprit.

SDR-1000, run on parallel port, FA-66 sound system (using the power supply, 
not Firewire bus), wireless keyboard and mouse.
Yagi and dipole on tower, approx 50 feet above the shack.
Which cables should I start on first?


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Re: [Flexradio] rfi from the sdr

2007-05-31 Thread Tim Ellison
Your problem is going to be unique to your setup, so someone else's
silver bullet may not help you.  You have to use a systematic approach
to soling the problem.

My best guess is you probably have a high impedance ground loop.

Here are just a few things to try...

1.) isolate the audio connections from the SDR-1K to the soundcard using
isolation transformers (this is covered in the KB)

2.) Make sure if you have a dedicated ground rod for the shack that it
is tied into the AC safety ground using at least 4 gauge solid CU wire.

3.) All AC devices should be on the same AC circuit.  Best is if that
are all connected to a common device like a line conditioner or a UPS. 

4.) If you antenna is not balanced, you need to shunt the RF off of the
coax shield before it enters the shack with a low impedance ground (tied
into all of the other grounds).  Consider using a 1:1 balun to further
isolate the antenna shield from the rig.

5.) If you use a bunch of wall warts for AC-DC power, make sure all of
them are on a single power strip and this is plugged into the same AC
circuit as all of your other AC devices.

6.) Put ferrite beads on ALL connections going into the computer.  It is
cheap and it can't hurt.

7.) Use good quality, heavily shielded cables.  If it was cheap, it is
not well shielded.

8.) You can try unplugging cables one at a time from the computer to see
which one is the culprit.


There is about 20 billon articles on this subject on eham.net in the
Elmer's section.  That is a good resource to look for ideas.


-Tim

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I've experience a little rfi.
I do not get these problems with my ft1000mp running 1000 watts out of a
vl1000 amp.
So, I'm pretty sure it's the sdr.

Locks the keyboard
can but not always, lock PowerSDR.
shuts down one of the USB cameras.

Fine as long as I stay below 400 watts output.
Worse on 17, 12, (haven't tried 10 but bet on it)

Well grounded system, same computer as the Yaesu.

So before I start with torroids on all the cables, I'd like to do this
systematically and if anyone else experienced this situation.
So if anyone experienced something similar, and found torroids on FA-66
power cable did the trick.



What was the cable, connection, that they found was the culprit.

SDR-1000, run on parallel port, FA-66 sound system (using the power
supply, not Firewire bus), wireless keyboard and mouse.
Yagi and dipole on tower, approx 50 feet above the shack.
Which cables should I start on first?


-
Suppose you were an idiot and suppose you were a member of Congress. But
I 
repeat myself. Mark Twain
-

Bill H. in Chicagoland
webcams at http://76.16.160.118:8080/
weather at http://hhweather.webhop.org


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[Flexradio] rfi from the sdr

2007-05-31 Thread James T. Rogers, W4ATK
I had a time getting rid of the rfi here. Experienced the same  
symptoms. Keyboard would go bezerk and at time shut the computer  
down, sometimes to standby, other times all the way.
I use only attic antennas and run only 100W and a good ground is a  
dream as shack is on the second level. Never the less here are the  
steps I took and what eventually cured it.

1) All antenna feedline entering the shack is coax. (one feedline  
from the MFJ remote antenna switch).
2) Isolated all antennas as far from the shack as was pratical, and  
that helped.
3) Put Radio Shack clamp ferrites everywhere (Questionable benefit  
as it turned out.)
4) Put a RadioWorks RF Isolator at the MFJ remote antenna switch in  
the attic. That cured it!!!  Stopped it dead in its tracks.

Good luck, RFI elimination is trial and error, in my case a lot of  
trials...Hi Hi

73 Jim W4ATK



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