Re: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion
In spite of the fact that I have a Flex-Radio and tune it with a mouse, I still have more than enough knobs to keep me happy. The amplifiers and antenna tuners still require some traditional knob twisting. Bob K8MLM Happy Flex-Radio operator In a message dated 10/13/2007 8:53:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I say Right on! If knobs makes you happy and you get on the air a bunch, turn those suckers. If you prefer PowerSDR (I no longer have any knobs) and are active, Wonderful! ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071014/43d39f34/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion
I miss the knobs on the Flex radio. On cw I work the key with my right hand but cannot operate the mouse with my left hand. With a traditional radio this is much easier. Very often I find myself bumping a slider or worse the VFO with an inadvertent mouse move. The computer interface with a mouse is very clunky. The RIT adjustment is just awful. Real radio's might need knobs in addition to a computer interface.At least for me. I do like my SDR 1000 but do not want to spent the money on the 5000 because I miss the knobs and do not like the mouse. I make more QSO's on my traditional radio with knobs than on the SDR 1000. I hope someday a radio would come out with the same great receiver as the SDR1000 a powerSDR computer interface and a real world interface with knobs. Wouldn't it be great if it was made by Flexradio. Oh yes it has to be affordable too. 73 Maarten N1DZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flex Radio flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion There is an interesting discussion on eham called The March of the 'Virtual Interface'. http://www.eham.net/articles/17604 It is about SDR rigs in general. Lots of fun to read what non-SDR owners think about the concept. I added my Flex story to the thread. Zack N8FNR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071012/5e6351c7/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion
Maarten, A properly set-up Shuttle-Pro tuning device takes care of most of your concerns about clunky mouse, RIT adjust , filters changes, wpm +/-, AF, frequency, whatever you want. I use the Shuttle Pro usually, hardly ever use the mouse.It's a real knob too, how quaint is that? 73, John, N3WT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maarten Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:51 PM To: 'Flex-radio Reflector' Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion I miss the knobs on the Flex radio. On cw I work the key with my right hand but cannot operate the mouse with my left hand. With a traditional radio this is much easier. Very often I find myself bumping a slider or worse the VFO with an inadvertent mouse move. The computer interface with a mouse is very clunky. The RIT adjustment is just awful. Real radio's might need knobs in addition to a computer interface.At least for me. I do like my SDR 1000 but do not want to spent the money on the 5000 because I miss the knobs and do not like the mouse. I make more QSO's on my traditional radio with knobs than on the SDR 1000. I hope someday a radio would come out with the same great receiver as the SDR1000 a powerSDR computer interface and a real world interface with knobs. Wouldn't it be great if it was made by Flexradio. Oh yes it has to be affordable too. 73 Maarten N1DZ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion
One of the real beautiful thing about this hobby is that there are so many aspects that you can enjoy that it never gets dull. As enthusiatic as I am abt my 5000a (and believe its getting very close to appliance-operator status) it will still not be everyone's cup of tea. Rather than get upset, I say Right on! If knobs makes you happy and you get on the air a bunch, turn those suckers. If you prefer PowerSDR (I no longer have any knobs) and are active, Wonderful! Rather than turn e-ham nasty, we should appreciate everyone is different and one size never fit all. Its probably a great thing as many people are pushing the boundaries in ways we don't know and will not appreciate until much later! See you on the bands! Neal Campbell K3NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] telnet to our DX Spotting clusters at: dxc.k3nc.com, ports 12001 and 23 Devoted to Dogs: How to be your dog's best owner Great Dog Book at www.abrohamneal.com On Oct 13, 2007, at 7:51 PM, Maarten wrote: I miss the knobs on the Flex radio. On cw I work the key with my right hand but cannot operate the mouse with my left hand. With a traditional radio this is much easier. Very often I find myself bumping a slider or worse the VFO with an inadvertent mouse move. The computer interface with a mouse is very clunky. The RIT adjustment is just awful. Real radio's might need knobs in addition to a computer interface.At least for me. I do like my SDR 1000 but do not want to spent the money on the 5000 because I miss the knobs and do not like the mouse. I make more QSO's on my traditional radio with knobs than on the SDR 1000. I hope someday a radio would come out with the same great receiver as the SDR1000 a powerSDR computer interface and a real world interface with knobs. Wouldn't it be great if it was made by Flexradio. Oh yes it has to be affordable too. 73 Maarten N1DZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Flex Radio flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 12:49 PM Subject: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion There is an interesting discussion on eham called The March of the 'Virtual Interface'. http://www.eham.net/articles/17604 It is about SDR rigs in general. Lots of fun to read what non-SDR owners think about the concept. I added my Flex story to the thread. Zack N8FNR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/ attachments/20071012/5e6351c7/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion
Johns description of the Shuttle has me interested. Does anyone have one...they would be willing to lend me? I'd hate to buy one, and find that my present system is equal or better. Of course I'd pay postage and couple of Polish, real men type beers. On 10/13/2007 7:42:39 PM, N3WT ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Maarten, A properly set-up Shuttle-Pro tuning device takes care of most of your concerns about clunky mouse, RIT adjust , filters changes, wpm +/-, AF, frequency, whatever you want. I use the Shuttle Pro usually, hardly ever use the mouse. It's a real knob too, how quaint is that? 73, John, N3WT -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Maarten Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 7:51 PM To: 'Flex- radio Reflector' Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion I miss the knobs on the Flex radio. On cw I work the key with my right hand but cannot operate the mouse with my left hand. With a traditional radio this is much easier. Very often I find myself bumping a slider or worse the VFO with an inadvertent mouse move. The computer interface with a mouse is very clunky. The RIT adjustment is just awful. Real radio's might need knobs in addition to a computer interface.At least for me. I do like my SDR 1000 but do not want to spent the money on the 5000 because I miss the knobs and do not like the mouse. I make more QSO's on my traditional radio with knobs than ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion
Certainly a variety of views and opinions are presented. Some observations: -mass confusion about what SDR is, with many assuming it is no more that control of the radio by a computer. -mass confusion over what is meant by SDR vs DSP vs Digital. -passion against radios without knobs. -Some claiming that their ICOM-746s are SDRs. -Apparently the Drake TR-7 is the best radio ever made. -Passion against computer connected to any radio. -Passion against computer in the shack. -Passion against computer anywhere (one wonders how they use eHam!) -Some guy claims he won't buy it because there's too much hardware! -SDRs won't work if there's a strong signal in your neighborhood. -Connecting an external computer with keyboard and mouse to your (SD)Radio is unacceptable but an SDR with an internal computer and a dedicated OS and keyboard and mouse is OK? I guess I'll stay over here on the Flex list - too hot over there for me! 73, Pete, N3EVL ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion
Unfortunately it will go wy off-topic, generate a flame-fest and lots of other unrelated replies, and have mention of a Fan Dipole like most eHam discussions. While I support eHam, and go there quite often, I'd _never_ publish an article on the site due to the nature of their forums. It's just too scatter-brained for me. 73, Jim KQ6EApatiently waiting for S/N 1277 to arrive! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is an interesting discussion on eham called The March of the 'Virtual Interface'. http://www.eham.net/articles/17604 It is about SDR rigs in general. Lots of fun to read what non-SDR owners think about the concept. I added my Flex story to the thread. Zack N8FNR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments/20071012/5e6351c7/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion
Of course, If (IF) flexRadio was interested in market share instead of fiddling with us fiddlers... they could build a front panel which plugs into the computer via firewire but let's not talk about that... Why should we share such a great radio with the masses? Rob AB7CF On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 16:49:00 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is an interesting discussion on eham called The March of the 'Virtual Interface'. http://www.eham.net/articles/17604 It is about SDR rigs in general. Lots of fun to read what non-SDR owners think about the concept. I added my Flex story to the thread. Zack N8FNR -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/attachments /20071012/5e6351c7/attachment.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] Eham SDR Discussion
I have been jumping into almost all of the SDR related discussions on eHam with the guns ablazing for 4+ years now. What I have noted is that there has been a very noticeable shift in mindset and understanding about the usefulness and advantages of SDR's in general, and more specifically the PC based implementations such as the Flex's. In some of the earlier rounds of discussions there were just a few of us citing what the technology COULD be bringing to the ham radio table for usability enhancements. Just about all comments then were in the context of what's in store for the FUTURE (mine included). Many of the other respondents were vehemently against the idea of SDR's, and PC's in general just because. And perhaps many more simply didn't understand what it was all about, so they were effectively not for it either. In the more recent rounds of these eHam discussions; and in this last one in particular, there is a very significant shift in the ratio of those who do now KNOW what the advantages are because it IS now here vs. those who do not. And most of those who have really used it as it stands today can articulate their own experiences and perceptions because it is all very REAL. Additionally all of the things still being talked about for the future just don't seem so lofty anymore either. As far as the the coming of the SDR's eHam type discussions go, this one so far has had a very high percentage of postings from those who like it, and/or genuinely want to try it. And I have been noticing a very subtle but steady trend in this same direction over the last several years now. Whether there will be a classic tipping point of the masses or not still remains to be seen, but the steadily increasing acceptance of the (PC)SDR trend is clearly evident. Duane N9DG Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive Link: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ FlexRadio Knowledge Base: http://kb.flex-radio.com/ FlexRadio Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
