Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
Thanks again for the info, Tim. Let me be clear, I am in no way complaining, I just wanted to get the info as accurate as possible. The fact that the TNF is possibly available as a DLL is perfectly acceptable. I’m glad you have provided a clear answer to those wishing to alter PowerSDR on their own. I also have two of the Hercules DJ consoles, which I have used with PowerSDR, and am happy with the continuous support of that device. 73, Terry From: Tim Ellison, W4TME Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 8:58 AM To: Terry Fox ; t...@flexradio.com ; flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices Anyone can augment TNF functionality with our hardware products using the tnf.dll. How the TNF filter is applied is all done in the available console C# code. We had asked the HPSDR group to not distribute the DLL when we released the TNF functionality. Tim Ellison, W4TME Customer Experience Manager FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223 Web: www.flexradio.com On 3/3/2015 11:56 AM, Terry Fox wrote: Thanks Tim, I stand corrected! Does the source include the capability to add the TNF feature? I remember a discussion about that a while back that it did not, as that was a secret sauce, and would not be made available to the general public under the GPL. I will admit that I haven't asked for it lately, as I could not use it before, due to improper tools. Anyway, I've moved on to the 6500, and LOVE IT! Keep up the good work! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -Original Message- From: Tim Ellison, W4TME Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:38 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices Terry, The source for PowerSDR has always been available, it is part of the GPL license. You can get it by sending an e-mail to g...@flexradio.com PowerSDR uses VS2008. I have converted the projects to work with VS2010, but we still use VS2008 because there is no compelling reason to make the change. Tim Ellison, W4TME Customer Experience Manager FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223 Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flexradio.com On 3/2/2015 8:57 PM, Terry Fox wrote: So, is PowerSDR back in open source? I thought they stopped making the source code available when they added the TNF and custom skins. An older version is available, but why would you want to add anything to an obsolete version. The openHPSDR group has been doing fine work extending PowerSDR, but I'm not sure their version supports Flex hardware any longer. Also, the fact that the Flex PowerSDR compiled ONLY under Visual Studio 2003 is a dramatically limiting factor. I bought a newer version of Visual Studio (2005), only to find out the code would NOT compile under it. For years. I'm not faulting Flex at all on any of the above. And, I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm just checking on your assumption that it would be reasonable to modify and improve the latest distributed version of PowerSDR. Do you have source for the 6500-series radios yet? They don’t have to be gods to prevent mere mortals from working with/on the code. They just have to restrict the distribution of source, or use tools that are difficult for those mere mortals to obtain. BTW, I also have a 6500, and an SDR-1000. I'd rather Flex spend its time on providing the improvements to SmartSDR than improving PowerSDR any further. And, I believe that's what they are doing. GO FLEX!! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -Original Message- From: Jay Nation Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:06 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices So, learning how to modify the open source code yourself is an unreasonable price? Given the wish, the will, and time isn't it at least under consideration? I just question the rush to pay for something that's free and licensed to stay that way. I bought an SDR1000, Flex5000A, and Flex6500 just because I could tinker with them in software. Seriously the existing code was written by Amateurs, not Magicians or Gods. If they could do it. Why can't I? I have the hardware, the wish, and the wetware. I'm beginning to find the time, and the required skills. I won't predict what will happen next. I want to do. not just use. So I'm going to hang on to mine. They're still new, and getting newer. 73, Jay - NO5J On 3/2/2015 6:18 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific
Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
Free has other meanings besides, cheaper than cheapest. Things with no cost, somtimes have great value. Somethings really are priceless, Open Source Software is one of those things. But Open Source Software can be sold for a price without any conflict with Open Source Licenses, you just can't really own it, because you can't buy it from the current owners (The Human Species) but they will share it with you no charge. And are Free to do so. 73 On 3/2/2015 7:44 PM, Larry Loen wrote: Free means nothing if nobody does the maintenance/enhancements. The question has always been who will do this? I really think this is not very likely to come from Flex; they have bet big on the 6000 series and have moved their resources (very predominantly if not entirely) to that platform. If it is to happen at all, we, the 5000 owners, must supply the programming resources. I personally find that doubtful. I know I never found the time to contribute anything. If there is any salvation, we must look to something else. Larry WO7R On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Jay Nation n...@no5j.org mailto:n...@no5j.org wrote: So, learning how to modify the open source code yourself is an unreasonable price? Given the wish, the will, and time isn't it at least under consideration? I just question the rush to pay for something that's free and licensed to stay that way. I bought an SDR1000, Flex5000A, and Flex6500 just because I could tinker with them in software. Seriously the existing code was written by Amateurs, not Magicians or Gods. If they could do it. Why can't I? I have the hardware, the wish, and the wetware. I'm beginning to find the time, and the required skills. I won't predict what will happen next. I want to do. not just use. So I'm going to hang on to mine. They're still new, and getting newer. 73, Jay - NO5J On 3/2/2015 6:18 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz mailto:FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz -- 73, Jay - NO5J **GitFlexAble https://github.com/FlexCommunityDevelopment** ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz mailto:FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz -- 73, Jay - NO5J **GitFlexAble https://github.com/FlexCommunityDevelopment** ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
Correct. The firmware which gets updated with almost every new version of PowerSDR is closed source. We are compelled to keep the source closed by FCC regulation as this is where the transmit frequency restriction logic is stored. Based on the architecture of the radios, there is very little processing that is or can be performed in the radios by the internal CPU other than hardware command and control. If you wanted to innovate or improve PowerSDR, you would be doing it in the DSP (DttSP) or in the console C# portions of the code, both of which are fully open. Tim Ellison, W4TME Customer Experience Manager FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223 Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flexradio.com On 3/3/2015 3:06 PM, Alan NV8A wrote: I was under the impression that the firmware (which often has had to be updated along with new versions of PowerSDR) is *not* open source. So it may be difficult to introduce significant new features by updating PowerSDR on its own. 73 Alan NV8A On 03/03/2015 01:57 PM, pete M wrote: Does the source include the driver part to comunicate with the radio? -Message d'origine- From: Tim Ellison, W4TME Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:38 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices Terry, The source for PowerSDR has always been available, it is part of the GPL license. You can get it by sending an e-mail to g...@flexradio.com PowerSDR uses VS2008. I have converted the projects to work with VS2010, but we still use VS2008 because there is no compelling reason to make the change. Tim Ellison, W4TME ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
The driver and associated firmware are provided as pre-compiled binariesfrom the OEM. We do not modify that code. Nor do we plan to update the Firewire driver unless there is an operating system change that mandates an upgrade. Tim Ellison, W4TME Customer Experience Manager FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223 Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flexradio.com On 3/3/2015 1:57 PM, pete M wrote: Does the source include the driver part to comunicate with the radio? -Message d'origine- From: Tim Ellison, W4TME Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:38 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices Terry, The source for PowerSDR has always been available, it is part of the GPL license. You can get it by sending an e-mail to g...@flexradio.com PowerSDR uses VS2008. I have converted the projects to work with VS2010, but we still use VS2008 because there is no compelling reason to make the change. Tim Ellison, W4TME Customer Experience Manager FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223 Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flexradio.com On 3/2/2015 8:57 PM, Terry Fox wrote: So, is PowerSDR back in open source? I thought they stopped making the source code available when they added the TNF and custom skins. An older version is available, but why would you want to add anything to an obsolete version. The openHPSDR group has been doing fine work extending PowerSDR, but I'm not sure their version supports Flex hardware any longer. Also, the fact that the Flex PowerSDR compiled ONLY under Visual Studio 2003 is a dramatically limiting factor. I bought a newer version of Visual Studio (2005), only to find out the code would NOT compile under it. For years. I'm not faulting Flex at all on any of the above. And, I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm just checking on your assumption that it would be reasonable to modify and improve the latest distributed version of PowerSDR. Do you have source for the 6500-series radios yet? They don’t have to be gods to prevent mere mortals from working with/on the code. They just have to restrict the distribution of source, or use tools that are difficult for those mere mortals to obtain. BTW, I also have a 6500, and an SDR-1000. I'd rather Flex spend its time on providing the improvements to SmartSDR than improving PowerSDR any further. And, I believe that's what they are doing. GO FLEX!! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -Original Message- From: Jay Nation Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:06 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices So, learning how to modify the open source code yourself is an unreasonable price? Given the wish, the will, and time isn't it at least under consideration? I just question the rush to pay for something that's free and licensed to stay that way. I bought an SDR1000, Flex5000A, and Flex6500 just because I could tinker with them in software. Seriously the existing code was written by Amateurs, not Magicians or Gods. If they could do it. Why can't I? I have the hardware, the wish, and the wetware. I'm beginning to find the time, and the required skills. I won't predict what will happen next. I want to do. not just use. So I'm going to hang on to mine. They're still new, and getting newer. 73, Jay - NO5J On 3/2/2015 6:18 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
Anyone can augment TNF functionality with our hardware products using the tnf.dll. How the TNF filter is applied is all done in the available console C# code. We had asked the HPSDR group to not distribute the DLL when we released the TNF functionality. Tim Ellison, W4TME Customer Experience Manager FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223 Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flexradio.com On 3/3/2015 11:56 AM, Terry Fox wrote: Thanks Tim, I stand corrected! Does the source include the capability to add the TNF feature? I remember a discussion about that a while back that it did not, as that was a secret sauce, and would not be made available to the general public under the GPL. I will admit that I haven't asked for it lately, as I could not use it before, due to improper tools. Anyway, I've moved on to the 6500, and LOVE IT! Keep up the good work! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -Original Message- From: Tim Ellison, W4TME Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:38 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices Terry, The source for PowerSDR has always been available, it is part of the GPL license. You can get it by sending an e-mail to g...@flexradio.com PowerSDR uses VS2008. I have converted the projects to work with VS2010, but we still use VS2008 because there is no compelling reason to make the change. Tim Ellison, W4TME Customer Experience Manager FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223 Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flexradio.com On 3/2/2015 8:57 PM, Terry Fox wrote: So, is PowerSDR back in open source? I thought they stopped making the source code available when they added the TNF and custom skins. An older version is available, but why would you want to add anything to an obsolete version. The openHPSDR group has been doing fine work extending PowerSDR, but I'm not sure their version supports Flex hardware any longer. Also, the fact that the Flex PowerSDR compiled ONLY under Visual Studio 2003 is a dramatically limiting factor. I bought a newer version of Visual Studio (2005), only to find out the code would NOT compile under it. For years. I'm not faulting Flex at all on any of the above. And, I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm just checking on your assumption that it would be reasonable to modify and improve the latest distributed version of PowerSDR. Do you have source for the 6500-series radios yet? They don’t have to be gods to prevent mere mortals from working with/on the code. They just have to restrict the distribution of source, or use tools that are difficult for those mere mortals to obtain. BTW, I also have a 6500, and an SDR-1000. I'd rather Flex spend its time on providing the improvements to SmartSDR than improving PowerSDR any further. And, I believe that's what they are doing. GO FLEX!! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -Original Message- From: Jay Nation Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:06 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices So, learning how to modify the open source code yourself is an unreasonable price? Given the wish, the will, and time isn't it at least under consideration? I just question the rush to pay for something that's free and licensed to stay that way. I bought an SDR1000, Flex5000A, and Flex6500 just because I could tinker with them in software. Seriously the existing code was written by Amateurs, not Magicians or Gods. If they could do it. Why can't I? I have the hardware, the wish, and the wetware. I'm beginning to find the time, and the required skills. I won't predict what will happen next. I want to do. not just use. So I'm going to hang on to mine. They're still new, and getting newer. 73, Jay - NO5J On 3/2/2015 6:18 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http
Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
Terry, The source for PowerSDR has always been available, it is part of the GPL license. You can get it by sending an e-mail to g...@flexradio.com PowerSDR uses VS2008. I have converted the projects to work with VS2010, but we still use VS2008 because there is no compelling reason to make the change. Tim Ellison, W4TME Customer Experience Manager FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223 Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flexradio.com On 3/2/2015 8:57 PM, Terry Fox wrote: So, is PowerSDR back in open source? I thought they stopped making the source code available when they added the TNF and custom skins. An older version is available, but why would you want to add anything to an obsolete version. The openHPSDR group has been doing fine work extending PowerSDR, but I'm not sure their version supports Flex hardware any longer. Also, the fact that the Flex PowerSDR compiled ONLY under Visual Studio 2003 is a dramatically limiting factor. I bought a newer version of Visual Studio (2005), only to find out the code would NOT compile under it. For years. I'm not faulting Flex at all on any of the above. And, I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm just checking on your assumption that it would be reasonable to modify and improve the latest distributed version of PowerSDR. Do you have source for the 6500-series radios yet? They don’t have to be gods to prevent mere mortals from working with/on the code. They just have to restrict the distribution of source, or use tools that are difficult for those mere mortals to obtain. BTW, I also have a 6500, and an SDR-1000. I'd rather Flex spend its time on providing the improvements to SmartSDR than improving PowerSDR any further. And, I believe that's what they are doing. GO FLEX!! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -Original Message- From: Jay Nation Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:06 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices So, learning how to modify the open source code yourself is an unreasonable price? Given the wish, the will, and time isn't it at least under consideration? I just question the rush to pay for something that's free and licensed to stay that way. I bought an SDR1000, Flex5000A, and Flex6500 just because I could tinker with them in software. Seriously the existing code was written by Amateurs, not Magicians or Gods. If they could do it. Why can't I? I have the hardware, the wish, and the wetware. I'm beginning to find the time, and the required skills. I won't predict what will happen next. I want to do. not just use. So I'm going to hang on to mine. They're still new, and getting newer. 73, Jay - NO5J On 3/2/2015 6:18 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
A word about porting any code between architectures... PowerSDR is built with primarily with standard Microsoft Windows development components, and some rather ancient DSP routines. This is exactly what the OpenHPSDR lead programmers found when using version 1.X as the basis for PSDR mRX. 2.X, while being a rather large evolutionary step, isn't that different in that respect. SmartSDR is, in part, DSP split across an FPGA and a DSP processor running in a Linux environment. This means that the chances of any code being shared between the two platforms is minimal. Algorithms? Maybe... Code? Not so much... 73, Mike - N8MSA - Original Message - From: Alan wa4...@gmail.com To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 6:56:14 AM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices At Dayton last year, Gerald committed to fixing the last real deficiency which affects me and many others who bought the VU-5K for satellite and VHF/UHF digital use in general: the lack of a 9600 baud FM mode. Flex is developing a Digital FM mode for SmartSDR, so they understand the need and how to code it. We had a contact at Flex, people to test the code, etc. After some initial contact, communications simply stopped. My understanding is that the need to get SmartSDR working was reaching the critical level and vacuumed up the resources. I assume that Gerald will follow through with at least one more update to PowerSDR. There are a lot of differences in the two software architectures, but hopefully it will be fairly easy to port the code. 73s, Alan WA4SCA ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
Thanks Tim, I stand corrected! Does the source include the capability to add the TNF feature? I remember a discussion about that a while back that it did not, as that was a secret sauce, and would not be made available to the general public under the GPL. I will admit that I haven't asked for it lately, as I could not use it before, due to improper tools. Anyway, I've moved on to the 6500, and LOVE IT! Keep up the good work! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -Original Message- From: Tim Ellison, W4TME Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:38 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices Terry, The source for PowerSDR has always been available, it is part of the GPL license. You can get it by sending an e-mail to g...@flexradio.com PowerSDR uses VS2008. I have converted the projects to work with VS2010, but we still use VS2008 because there is no compelling reason to make the change. Tim Ellison, W4TME Customer Experience Manager FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223 Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flexradio.com On 3/2/2015 8:57 PM, Terry Fox wrote: So, is PowerSDR back in open source? I thought they stopped making the source code available when they added the TNF and custom skins. An older version is available, but why would you want to add anything to an obsolete version. The openHPSDR group has been doing fine work extending PowerSDR, but I'm not sure their version supports Flex hardware any longer. Also, the fact that the Flex PowerSDR compiled ONLY under Visual Studio 2003 is a dramatically limiting factor. I bought a newer version of Visual Studio (2005), only to find out the code would NOT compile under it. For years. I'm not faulting Flex at all on any of the above. And, I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm just checking on your assumption that it would be reasonable to modify and improve the latest distributed version of PowerSDR. Do you have source for the 6500-series radios yet? They don’t have to be gods to prevent mere mortals from working with/on the code. They just have to restrict the distribution of source, or use tools that are difficult for those mere mortals to obtain. BTW, I also have a 6500, and an SDR-1000. I'd rather Flex spend its time on providing the improvements to SmartSDR than improving PowerSDR any further. And, I believe that's what they are doing. GO FLEX!! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -Original Message- From: Jay Nation Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:06 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices So, learning how to modify the open source code yourself is an unreasonable price? Given the wish, the will, and time isn't it at least under consideration? I just question the rush to pay for something that's free and licensed to stay that way. I bought an SDR1000, Flex5000A, and Flex6500 just because I could tinker with them in software. Seriously the existing code was written by Amateurs, not Magicians or Gods. If they could do it. Why can't I? I have the hardware, the wish, and the wetware. I'm beginning to find the time, and the required skills. I won't predict what will happen next. I want to do. not just use. So I'm going to hang on to mine. They're still new, and getting newer. 73, Jay - NO5J On 3/2/2015 6:18 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
Does the source include the driver part to comunicate with the radio? -Message d'origine- From: Tim Ellison, W4TME Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:38 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices Terry, The source for PowerSDR has always been available, it is part of the GPL license. You can get it by sending an e-mail to g...@flexradio.com PowerSDR uses VS2008. I have converted the projects to work with VS2010, but we still use VS2008 because there is no compelling reason to make the change. Tim Ellison, W4TME Customer Experience Manager FlexRadio Systems™ 4616 W Howard Ln, Suite 1-150 Austin, TX 78728 Phone: 512-535-4713 Ext. 223 Web: www.flexradio.com http://www.flexradio.com On 3/2/2015 8:57 PM, Terry Fox wrote: So, is PowerSDR back in open source? I thought they stopped making the source code available when they added the TNF and custom skins. An older version is available, but why would you want to add anything to an obsolete version. The openHPSDR group has been doing fine work extending PowerSDR, but I'm not sure their version supports Flex hardware any longer. Also, the fact that the Flex PowerSDR compiled ONLY under Visual Studio 2003 is a dramatically limiting factor. I bought a newer version of Visual Studio (2005), only to find out the code would NOT compile under it. For years. I'm not faulting Flex at all on any of the above. And, I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm just checking on your assumption that it would be reasonable to modify and improve the latest distributed version of PowerSDR. Do you have source for the 6500-series radios yet? They don’t have to be gods to prevent mere mortals from working with/on the code. They just have to restrict the distribution of source, or use tools that are difficult for those mere mortals to obtain. BTW, I also have a 6500, and an SDR-1000. I'd rather Flex spend its time on providing the improvements to SmartSDR than improving PowerSDR any further. And, I believe that's what they are doing. GO FLEX!! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -Original Message- From: Jay Nation Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:06 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices So, learning how to modify the open source code yourself is an unreasonable price? Given the wish, the will, and time isn't it at least under consideration? I just question the rush to pay for something that's free and licensed to stay that way. I bought an SDR1000, Flex5000A, and Flex6500 just because I could tinker with them in software. Seriously the existing code was written by Amateurs, not Magicians or Gods. If they could do it. Why can't I? I have the hardware, the wish, and the wetware. I'm beginning to find the time, and the required skills. I won't predict what will happen next. I want to do. not just use. So I'm going to hang on to mine. They're still new, and getting newer. 73, Jay - NO5J On 3/2/2015 6:18 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
I was under the impression that the firmware (which often has had to be updated along with new versions of PowerSDR) is *not* open source. So it may be difficult to introduce significant new features by updating PowerSDR on its own. 73 Alan NV8A On 03/03/2015 01:57 PM, pete M wrote: Does the source include the driver part to comunicate with the radio? -Message d'origine- From: Tim Ellison, W4TME Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:38 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices Terry, The source for PowerSDR has always been available, it is part of the GPL license. You can get it by sending an e-mail to g...@flexradio.com PowerSDR uses VS2008. I have converted the projects to work with VS2010, but we still use VS2008 because there is no compelling reason to make the change. Tim Ellison, W4TME ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
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Only if you need a firmware change. Without looking at the code, this should not ordinarily be hard. Remember, too, that the software supported many brands of radios, including receive-only rigs like the softrocks. So, a lot of the firmware clearly behaves like most firmware -- it does things Flex-specific. I don't see any reason that (for instance) we couldn't add a new modulation mode if there was one or add direct support for RTTY, PSK31, and other such things (just to give examples of things very unlikely to need firmware help). Most software functions like an upside-down pyramid. There is a relatively small amount of code at the bottom that does the most basic things (accesses the file system, manipulates the hardware, etc.) and then, moving up the pyramid, more and more code to do things unique to the requirements (e.g. create wave forms for RTTY, SSB, CW) and then still more to do other functions. The firmware is the code on the bottom and by its nature, it is actually somewhat resistant to change because so much other code depends on it. You might still have to add something and this might block a new idea from being implemented, but a lot of things would never get that deep into the software stack. WO7R On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Alan NV8A n...@charter.net wrote: I was under the impression that the firmware (which often has had to be updated along with new versions of PowerSDR) is *not* open source. So it may be difficult to introduce significant new features by updating PowerSDR on its own. 73 Alan NV8A On 03/03/2015 01:57 PM, pete M wrote: Does the source include the driver part to comunicate with the radio? -Message d'origine- From: Tim Ellison, W4TME Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:38 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices Terry, The source for PowerSDR has always been available, it is part of the GPL license. You can get it by sending an e-mail to g...@flexradio.com PowerSDR uses VS2008. I have converted the projects to work with VS2010, but we still use VS2008 because there is no compelling reason to make the change. Tim Ellison, W4TME ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
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Just a guess, during the evolution of PowerSDR, there were firmware upgrades each time the Firewire driver for the DICE chip provided by TC Applied Technology was upgraded, , Never having seen the Firmware in the radio I have no Idea what it actually consists of. but whenever the Firewire firmware inside the radio was upgraded and then taken advantage of by PowerSDR, in order to communicate both the version in the radio and the version installed on the PC by PowerSDR had to match. if you don't change the firewire driver, on the PC you wont have to worry about the proprietary code that TC Applied Technology provided, Flexradio can't OpenSource something they don't have the source for. So you'd have to get the chip manufacturer to OpenSource the drivers for the DICE, which they are not likely to do. thus the hybrid/mixed licensing of the software/firmware/source code used in PowerSDR. And, OpenHPSDR dropping the Firewire portions of PowerSDR. which ended the support for Flex3000, Flex5000, the lack of support for the SDR1000 can be blamed on the requirement of a Parallel Port control connection. it is becoming hard to find hardware that still does LPT and also requires 32bit windows. The Source code for PowerSDR does compile and run. TNF didn't appear in PowerSDR until after V2.XX was released which, also included the Firewire upgrades. TNF source hasn't been Open Sourced as far as I know. So might have to be written from scratch, call it OpenTNF or just OTNF OpenSource Tuneable Notch Filter , there I just acquired Copy Rights on that, Should I apply for a Trademark? Remember it's supposed to be Open Sourced so I'll have to share the code. but only if I write any. Which I'm not going to do, and neither are the whiners. On 3/3/2015 2:06 PM, Alan NV8A wrote: I was under the impression that the firmware (which often has had to be updated along with new versions of PowerSDR) is *not* open source. So it may be difficult to introduce significant new features by updating PowerSDR on its own. 73 Alan NV8A On 03/03/2015 01:57 PM, pete M wrote: Does the source include the driver part to comunicate with the radio? -Message d'origine- From: Tim Ellison, W4TME Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:38 AM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices Terry, The source for PowerSDR has always been available, it is part of the GPL license. You can get it by sending an e-mail to g...@flexradio.com PowerSDR uses VS2008. I have converted the projects to work with VS2010, but we still use VS2008 because there is no compelling reason to make the change. Tim Ellison, W4TME ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz -- 73, Jay - NO5J **GitFlexAble https://github.com/FlexCommunityDevelopment** ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
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At Dayton last year, Gerald committed to fixing the last real deficiency which affects me and many others who bought the VU-5K for satellite and VHF/UHF digital use in general: the lack of a 9600 baud FM mode. Flex is developing a Digital FM mode for SmartSDR, so they understand the need and how to code it. We had a contact at Flex, people to test the code, etc. After some initial contact, communications simply stopped. My understanding is that the need to get SmartSDR working was reaching the critical level and vacuumed up the resources. I assume that Gerald will follow through with at least one more update to PowerSDR. There are a lot of differences in the two software architectures, but hopefully it will be fairly easy to port the code. 73s, Alan WA4SCA ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
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So, learning how to modify the open source code yourself is an unreasonable price? Given the wish, the will, and time isn't it at least under consideration? I just question the rush to pay for something that's free and licensed to stay that way. I bought an SDR1000, Flex5000A, and Flex6500 just because I could tinker with them in software. Seriously the existing code was written by Amateurs, not Magicians or Gods. If they could do it. Why can't I? I have the hardware, the wish, and the wetware. I'm beginning to find the time, and the required skills. I won't predict what will happen next. I want to do. not just use. So I'm going to hang on to mine. They're still new, and getting newer. 73, Jay - NO5J On 3/2/2015 6:18 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz -- 73, Jay - NO5J **GitFlexAble https://github.com/FlexCommunityDevelopment** ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
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I have to agree with other posters here about the Flex 5000A, VU combination. I did not buy mine with the VU module, but had it installed about a year after I bought the Flex 5000 that already had the tuner and second receiver. But I am so glad that I have the entire package now. A lot of my interest in amateur radio is in weak signal work on 2m and 70cm, so it more than meets most of my needs. Although the new 6000 series is interesting and a significant technical development of SDR, I cannot see that spending the money on one would do me a whole lot of good. In my geographically restricted locale, I don't have the room for very extensive HF antennas and so have not been able to really utilize the HF band capability of the Flex 5000A as it is. Buying a new 6000 series transceiver would do less to improve my reception abilities on these bands, than upgrading my antennas. This, along with my VHF/UHF interests, is why I my decision to stay with my Flex 5000 for now and the foreseeable future. I would add too, that I can't see any business rationale for Flex to improve the PowerSDR software beyond where they have taken it, or even to release the software for further development by third party programmers. They are in business to sell radios and the longevity of their company depends on just that, selling new series 6000 models and the next series whatever that may be. In my estimation, they have served us well with how far they took PowerSDR, which is presently at a higher level of development than their SmartSDR software. I can't imagine a whole lot of more bells and whistles being put into PowerSDR that I would use anyway. They need to focus their energies on delivering what the new 6000 platform can deliver and bring it to a level beyond PowerSDR. With the PowerSDR radios they have given us a system that is still very, very good by today's standards, but to prolong and further develop it, either by Flex or third parties, would be harmful to them staying viable as a company. Most of the other manufacturers cease support for outdated models, so Flex Radio Systems is no different in that respect and I don't have the feeling they have abandoned the PowerSDR users. Having said all this I do wish they would drop the all too cute and geeky picture of the two kids they are using to promote their latest line of SDR radios. It really has outlived the cuteness factor and does nothing to present them as a serious industry leader. Terry On 02/03/2015 19:18, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz -- *VE3XTM* EN93un ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
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Free means nothing if nobody does the maintenance/enhancements. The question has always been who will do this? I really think this is not very likely to come from Flex; they have bet big on the 6000 series and have moved their resources (very predominantly if not entirely) to that platform. If it is to happen at all, we, the 5000 owners, must supply the programming resources. I personally find that doubtful. I know I never found the time to contribute anything. If there is any salvation, we must look to something else. Larry WO7R On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 6:06 PM, Jay Nation n...@no5j.org wrote: So, learning how to modify the open source code yourself is an unreasonable price? Given the wish, the will, and time isn't it at least under consideration? I just question the rush to pay for something that's free and licensed to stay that way. I bought an SDR1000, Flex5000A, and Flex6500 just because I could tinker with them in software. Seriously the existing code was written by Amateurs, not Magicians or Gods. If they could do it. Why can't I? I have the hardware, the wish, and the wetware. I'm beginning to find the time, and the required skills. I won't predict what will happen next. I want to do. not just use. So I'm going to hang on to mine. They're still new, and getting newer. 73, Jay - NO5J On 3/2/2015 6:18 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz -- 73, Jay - NO5J **GitFlexAble https://github.com/FlexCommunityDevelopment** ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
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So, is PowerSDR back in open source? I thought they stopped making the source code available when they added the TNF and custom skins. An older version is available, but why would you want to add anything to an obsolete version. The openHPSDR group has been doing fine work extending PowerSDR, but I'm not sure their version supports Flex hardware any longer. Also, the fact that the Flex PowerSDR compiled ONLY under Visual Studio 2003 is a dramatically limiting factor. I bought a newer version of Visual Studio (2005), only to find out the code would NOT compile under it. For years. I'm not faulting Flex at all on any of the above. And, I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm just checking on your assumption that it would be reasonable to modify and improve the latest distributed version of PowerSDR. Do you have source for the 6500-series radios yet? They don’t have to be gods to prevent mere mortals from working with/on the code. They just have to restrict the distribution of source, or use tools that are difficult for those mere mortals to obtain. BTW, I also have a 6500, and an SDR-1000. I'd rather Flex spend its time on providing the improvements to SmartSDR than improving PowerSDR any further. And, I believe that's what they are doing. GO FLEX!! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -Original Message- From: Jay Nation Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:06 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices So, learning how to modify the open source code yourself is an unreasonable price? Given the wish, the will, and time isn't it at least under consideration? I just question the rush to pay for something that's free and licensed to stay that way. I bought an SDR1000, Flex5000A, and Flex6500 just because I could tinker with them in software. Seriously the existing code was written by Amateurs, not Magicians or Gods. If they could do it. Why can't I? I have the hardware, the wish, and the wetware. I'm beginning to find the time, and the required skills. I won't predict what will happen next. I want to do. not just use. So I'm going to hang on to mine. They're still new, and getting newer. 73, Jay - NO5J On 3/2/2015 6:18 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz -- 73, Jay - NO5J **GitFlexAble https://github.com/FlexCommunityDevelopment** ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices
You can get the source code by asking. I think you now need VS2008. The guy who does the version of PSDR that uses the Hercules DJ console is able to fully compile and deliver an add on version. I do not know if there are dll's that he cannot distribute himself that incorporates the proprietary parts of the radio, but I honestly bet that Flex will drop the proprietary parts in the medium future (2-3 years as opposed to next month). I have no inside information about this, its just my feeling. PSDR is being updated every 2-3 months over on the OpenHPSDR side of the source code and below the UI (which they have also enhanced) there is very little left of the code that Flex uses. Its possible that they get tired and stop updating it but since its still their premier software (and because of the architecture of their radios) I do not think it faces any decreased activity in the future. 73 Neal Campbell Abroham Neal LLC On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Terry Fox t...@knology.net wrote: So, is PowerSDR back in open source? I thought they stopped making the source code available when they added the TNF and custom skins. An older version is available, but why would you want to add anything to an obsolete version. The openHPSDR group has been doing fine work extending PowerSDR, but I'm not sure their version supports Flex hardware any longer. Also, the fact that the Flex PowerSDR compiled ONLY under Visual Studio 2003 is a dramatically limiting factor. I bought a newer version of Visual Studio (2005), only to find out the code would NOT compile under it. For years. I'm not faulting Flex at all on any of the above. And, I'm not arguing one way or the other. I'm just checking on your assumption that it would be reasonable to modify and improve the latest distributed version of PowerSDR. Do you have source for the 6500-series radios yet? They don’t have to be gods to prevent mere mortals from working with/on the code. They just have to restrict the distribution of source, or use tools that are difficult for those mere mortals to obtain. BTW, I also have a 6500, and an SDR-1000. I'd rather Flex spend its time on providing the improvements to SmartSDR than improving PowerSDR any further. And, I believe that's what they are doing. GO FLEX!! 73, Terry, WB4JFI -Original Message- From: Jay Nation Sent: Monday, March 02, 2015 8:06 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] PowerSDR and Falling prices So, learning how to modify the open source code yourself is an unreasonable price? Given the wish, the will, and time isn't it at least under consideration? I just question the rush to pay for something that's free and licensed to stay that way. I bought an SDR1000, Flex5000A, and Flex6500 just because I could tinker with them in software. Seriously the existing code was written by Amateurs, not Magicians or Gods. If they could do it. Why can't I? I have the hardware, the wish, and the wetware. I'm beginning to find the time, and the required skills. I won't predict what will happen next. I want to do. not just use. So I'm going to hang on to mine. They're still new, and getting newer. 73, Jay - NO5J On 3/2/2015 6:18 PM, Richard Lawn wrote: For what it's worth, which I know isn't much, I too would gladly pay a reasonable,price for software upgrades. I do think this process could breath new life into the 3000 and 5000 which are great radios and far superior to much of what's out their from the pacific rim. As a satellite user I doubt I'll ever part with my 5000 with the v/u unit. It's an amazingly capable radio and very versatile compared to most on the market today including the new flex 6000 series radios, none of which have the capability of running vhf and uhf out of the box. Sellers of their Powersdr based radios should be patient and market to the right consumers. If you've got one like mine and want to sell it look for the VHF, UHF EME crowd. 73 Rick,W2JAZ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz -- 73, Jay - NO5J **GitFlexAble https://github.com/FlexCommunityDevelopment** ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz To opt out of the Reflector: http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz
