Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Ray Andrews k9...@rnacs.com wrote: Brian, Watch your disk activity light. My old XP machine had very spikes each time the disk was accessed. Only solution was new PC. It is not happening every time there is disk I/O. I did consider that it might be the system stopping the disks for power saving but even that has been disabled. Well, it turns out I lied. Turns out windows WAS stopping the disk. Somewhere along the line something, probably the upgrade to SP3, turned the power-save feature back on and set the hard drive to spin down and shut off. When something caused a disk access later and the drive was off, DPC latency went through the roof. Now that the disk is set to never turn spin down the DPC latency peak is only 2320 us. That seems within reason and works fine in Safe Mode 1. Regardless, thank you Ray for putting the bug in my ear to go back and check again. Several times now a software update has changed settings on me so I need to remember that Microsoft *will* change settings away from what the user has set. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
At 03:58 PM 2/28/2009, Brian Lloyd wrote: Regardless, thank you Ray for putting the bug in my ear to go back and check again. Several times now a software update has changed settings on me so I need to remember that Microsoft *will* change settings away from what the user has set. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL You can't know what you want as much as Microsoft knows, so sit back and enjoy them taking over the driving when they feel like it. Cecil k5nwa www.softrockradio.org www.qrpradio.com http://parts.softrockradio.org/ Never take life seriously. Nobody gets out alive anyway. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
Brian You're welcome. Glad I could help. 73, Ray, K9DUR ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: Kind of like getting a whipping before doing anything wrong because you will end up needing one eventually. Thank you sir, may I have another :-) And I am trying to get a different machine to run powerSDR reliably. Every hour or so, out of the blue, I get a DPC latency spike of 43000us. Needless to say, PSDR stops working until I cycle it. FWIW, everything is turned off, even ethernet. If I turn off any more service tasks things stop working. But still I get that killer latency spike. The rest of the time it is 500us. Damn. There it goes again. Happened when I clicked on the Start button this time. Wow a new record! 44,045us! Look, I want so much for your products to work. No one else makes a transceiver even remotely like the F5K. I can put up with the inconsistent and wacky user-interface and not having a coherent baseband signal output architecture. I roll my eyes but I can work around them and use the radio. But the frustration of random failures due to flaky system software is maddening. I shouldn't have to become an OS tuning expert in order to use the radio. PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE SUPPORT ANOTHER OS FOR THE FLEX PRODUCTS Gawd I *hate* Microsoft Windows. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
Try a BIOS update. I know some mobos has bad DPC problems that were corrected by BIOS updates. Are you using software/BIOS RAID? If could be that driver that is killing it. -Tim -Original Message- From: Brian Lloyd [mailto:brian-wb6...@lloyd.com] Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 10:27 AM To: Tim Ellison Cc: k5...@sbcglobal.net; FlexRadio Subject: Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: Kind of like getting a whipping before doing anything wrong because you will end up needing one eventually. Thank you sir, may I have another :-) And I am trying to get a different machine to run powerSDR reliably. Every hour or so, out of the blue, I get a DPC latency spike of 43000us. Needless to say, PSDR stops working until I cycle it. FWIW, everything is turned off, even ethernet. If I turn off any more service tasks things stop working. But still I get that killer latency spike. The rest of the time it is 500us. Damn. There it goes again. Happened when I clicked on the Start button this time. Wow a new record! 44,045us! Look, I want so much for your products to work. No one else makes a transceiver even remotely like the F5K. I can put up with the inconsistent and wacky user-interface and not having a coherent baseband signal output architecture. I roll my eyes but I can work around them and use the radio. But the frustration of random failures due to flaky system software is maddening. I shouldn't have to become an OS tuning expert in order to use the radio. PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE SUPPORT ANOTHER OS FOR THE FLEX PRODUCTS Gawd I *hate* Microsoft Windows. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
Brian, There is still some application or device that is causing this. I have 4 computers with all the Windows OS, I can run for days on any without seeing that high of a DPC, and PowerSDR not stopping.. Maybe Tim has a good suggestion with the BIOS update, but I am not sure how to update the BIOS on the MacBook.. Sorry, no fruit here.. Hi Hi . NIC drivers are the worst, make sure to stop the network, and make sure that you have disabled the 1394 Network under network adapters if there is one showing up in Device Manager. I have roughly 35 to 42 processes showing on any of the OSs here. 73, Dudley WA5QPZ Brian Lloyd wrote: On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Tim Ellison telli...@itsco.com wrote: Kind of like getting a whipping before doing anything wrong because you will end up needing one eventually. Thank you sir, may I have another :-) And I am trying to get a different machine to run powerSDR reliably. Every hour or so, out of the blue, I get a DPC latency spike of 43000us. Needless to say, PSDR stops working until I cycle it. FWIW, everything is turned off, even ethernet. If I turn off any more service tasks things stop working. But still I get that killer latency spike. The rest of the time it is 500us. Damn. There it goes again. Happened when I clicked on the Start button this time. Wow a new record! 44,045us! Look, I want so much for your products to work. No one else makes a transceiver even remotely like the F5K. I can put up with the inconsistent and wacky user-interface and not having a coherent baseband signal output architecture. I roll my eyes but I can work around them and use the radio. But the frustration of random failures due to flaky system software is maddening. I shouldn't have to become an OS tuning expert in order to use the radio. PLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASEPLEASE SUPPORT ANOTHER OS FOR THE FLEX PRODUCTS Gawd I *hate* Microsoft Windows. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
Brian, Watch your disk activity light. My old XP machine had very spikes each time the disk was accessed. Only solution was new PC. 73, Ray, K9DUR ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Ray Andrews k9...@rnacs.com wrote: Brian, Watch your disk activity light. My old XP machine had very spikes each time the disk was accessed. Only solution was new PC. It is not happening every time there is disk I/O. I did consider that it might be the system stopping the disks for power saving but even that has been disabled and then blocking until the disk restarts. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
It might be my imagination but I think MS is sticking .net 3.5 on machines now in the automatic install mode (I cannot promise this but think I have seen it fly by). I am sure that 3.5 is needed for Sliverlight which is MS's answer to flash so maybe thats whats happening?? Neal Campbell Abroham Neal Software Programming Services for Windows, OS X and Linux www.abrohamnealsoftware.com (540) 242 0911 On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 2:41 PM, Brian Lloyd brian-wb6...@lloyd.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Ray Andrews k9...@rnacs.com wrote: Brian, Watch your disk activity light. My old XP machine had very spikes each time the disk was accessed. Only solution was new PC. It is not happening every time there is disk I/O. I did consider that it might be the system stopping the disks for power saving but even that has been disabled and then blocking until the disk restarts. 73 de Brian, WB6RQN/J79BPL ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
Maybe MS is encouraging use to move off XP? Here was a note from Jim: --- Huge latency spikes --- All I didn't really want to install .NET 3.5 but I always read the notes first and found that what they are calling .NET 3.5 actually contains SP1 for .NET 2 which is required for some programs I run, so I installed it. Here is a clip from the notes on Microsoft's site: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Brief Description Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 contains many new features building incrementally upon .NET Framework 2.0 and 3.0, and includes .NET Framework 2.0 service pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.0 service pack 1. Hope this helps to explain things. Jim K5HY FireBrick wrote: I did the windows update and it installed a .Net update Now I'm having problems Wasn't there some mention of this on the reflector. So far using Restore hasn't fixed my problems. Can't find a way to remove this new version of Net either. ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
On 2/26/2009 2:57 PM, Mike Naruta wrote: Maybe MS is encouraging use to move off XP? Here was a note from Jim: --- Huge latency spikes --- All I didn't really want to install .NET 3.5 but I always read the notes first and found that what they are calling .NET 3.5 actually contains SP1 for .NET 2 which is required for some programs I run, so I installed it. Here is a clip from the notes on Microsoft's site: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Brief Description Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 contains many new features building incrementally upon .NET Framework 2.0 and 3.0, and includes .NET Framework 2.0 service pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.0 service pack 1. Hope this helps to explain things. Jim K5HY Here is something I found, if you have a brand new machine with no applications installed, the patch wants to install anyway and you end up with several copies of .NET with no applications using them. -- Cecil Bayona K5NWA www.k5nwa.com www.qrpradio.com http://parts.softrockradio.org/ Windows, the most successful software virus ever Don Seglio Batuna ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem
Kind of like getting a whipping before doing anything wrong because you will end up needing one eventually. Thank you sir, may I have another :-) -Tim -Original Message- From: flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of k5nwa Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:13 PM To: 'FlexRadio ' Subject: Re: [Flexradio] new version of net possible problem On 2/26/2009 2:57 PM, Mike Naruta wrote: Maybe MS is encouraging use to move off XP? Here was a note from Jim: --- Huge latency spikes --- All I didn't really want to install .NET 3.5 but I always read the notes first and found that what they are calling .NET 3.5 actually contains SP1 for .NET 2 which is required for some programs I run, so I installed it. Here is a clip from the notes on Microsoft's site: Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 Brief Description Microsoft .NET Framework 3.5 contains many new features building incrementally upon .NET Framework 2.0 and 3.0, and includes .NET Framework 2.0 service pack 1 and .NET Framework 3.0 service pack 1. Hope this helps to explain things. Jim K5HY Here is something I found, if you have a brand new machine with no applications installed, the patch wants to install anyway and you end up with several copies of .NET with no applications using them. -- Cecil Bayona K5NWA www.k5nwa.com www.qrpradio.com http://parts.softrockradio.org/ Windows, the most successful software virus ever Don Seglio Batuna ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/ ___ FlexRadio Systems Mailing List FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexradio%40flex-radio.biz/ Knowledge Base: http://kc.flex-radio.com/ Homepage: http://www.flex-radio.com/
