[Flightgear-devel] easter egg!!

2002-05-19 Thread Bernie Bright

Wondered why the sudden increase in network traffic when starting
FlightGear just now.  Then heard the new intro theme.  Cute!  Very cute!

Bernie

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] easter egg!!

2002-05-19 Thread Darren Hammond

Heh,  it doesn't sound too cool if you've got a 56k modem!

On Sunday 19 May 2002 8:59 am, you wrote:
 Wondered why the sudden increase in network traffic when starting
 FlightGear just now.  Then heard the new intro theme.  Cute!  Very cute!

 Bernie

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[Flightgear-devel] Where is 0.7.10 source code?

2002-05-19 Thread Julius

Hello,
  I haven't found 0.7.10 source code on the download section. Where could i
find it?


Julius Seporaitis


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: Bad line endings when running on windows

2002-05-19 Thread Melchior FRANZ

* Bernie Bright -- Sunday 19 May 2002 06:23:
 As for line endings I think its simpler if we just use CRLF for both
 client and server.  I will check that the new server always sends CRLF.

ACK
Not that this is in any way obligatory, but the perl documentation says:

  $ man perlipc|col -b|grep -A12 Line Terminators
 Internet Line Terminators

 The Internet line terminator is \015\012.  Under ASCII
 variants of Unix, that could usually be written as \r\n,
 but under other systems, \r\n might at times be
 \015\015\012, \012\012\015, or something completely
 different.  The standards specify writing \015\012 to be
 conformant (be strict in what you provide), but they also
 recommend accepting a lone \012 on input (but be lenient
 in what you require).  We haven't always been very good
 about that in the code in this manpage, but unless you're
 on a Mac, you'll probably be ok.

m.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Where is 0.7.10 source code?

2002-05-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson

Julius writes:
 Hello,
   I haven't found 0.7.10 source code on the download section. Where could i
 find it?

It's in /pub/fgfs/Source on the ftp server (or the mirrors)

Regards,

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[Flightgear-devel] latest CVS doesn't run on linux

2002-05-19 Thread Flavio Villanustre


I've just updated my Simgear, Flightgear, fgfsbase trees from CVS and 
compiled them. But when I try to run fgfs it exits with next error:

Processing command line arguments
Finished command line arguments
Opening a window: 1024x768
game mode params = width=1024 height=768 bpp=16
Xlib:  extension GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest missing on display :0.0.
GLUT: Fatal Error in fgfs: visual with necessary capabilities not found.

I'm running XFree86 4.1 with NVIDIA 1.0 2880 drivers.

xdpyinfo shows GLX and NVIDIA specific extensions loaded but no such thing 
as GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest extension.

It didn't happen in the 0.7.10 era.

Can anybody help?

Best regards,

Flavio Villanustre



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] latest CVS doesn't run on linux

2002-05-19 Thread Curtis L. Olson

Flavio Villanustre writes:
 
 I've just updated my Simgear, Flightgear, fgfsbase trees from CVS and 
 compiled them. But when I try to run fgfs it exits with next error:
 
 Processing command line arguments
 Finished command line arguments
 Opening a window: 1024x768
 game mode params = width=1024 height=768 bpp=16
 Xlib:  extension GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest missing on display :0.0.
 GLUT: Fatal Error in fgfs: visual with necessary capabilities not found.
 
 I'm running XFree86 4.1 with NVIDIA 1.0 2880 drivers.
 
 xdpyinfo shows GLX and NVIDIA specific extensions loaded but no such thing 
 as GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest extension.
 
 It didn't happen in the 0.7.10 era.
 
 Can anybody help?

Can you still run version 0.7.10?  Can you run any other opengl
programs?  This sounds more like a system configuration / driver
problem.

Regards,

Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] latest CVS doesn't run on linux

2002-05-19 Thread Alex Perry

  Xlib:  extension GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest missing on display :0.0.
  GLUT: Fatal Error in fgfs: visual with necessary capabilities not found.

Hah!  Try running something that uses full texturing such as gloss;
the differences in private requests between GL implementations generally
appear when trying to do texturing, which gears (etc) doesn't use.

It is likely that you have replaced the GLX backend in the server, but not
recompiled the GL front end in the X libraries.  The latter includes changes
to the source code headers, so everything from PLIB onwards must be
recompiled.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] latest CVS doesn't run on linux

2002-05-19 Thread Flavio Villanustre

On Sun, 19 May 2002, Alex Perry wrote:

   Xlib:  extension GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest missing on display :0.0.
   GLUT: Fatal Error in fgfs: visual with necessary capabilities not found.
 
 Hah!  Try running something that uses full texturing such as gloss;
 the differences in private requests between GL implementations generally
 appear when trying to do texturing, which gears (etc) doesn't use.
gloss works fine, as quake, descent and VMD do... 

I've trying recompiling plib, simgear and flightgear but same error 
occurs.

It must be related with upgrade from XFree 4.1.0 from RedHat 7.2 to XFree 
4.2.0 from RedHat 7.3.

Everything already compiled went on working fine. Everything I compile 
from scratch works fine too. But somehow, compiling Flightgear is 
different...

Flightgear compiled under new X  gl libs doesn't even work on plain 
Redhat 7.2.

Do you have any clue?

Thanks,

Flavio.

 
 It is likely that you have replaced the GLX backend in the server, but not
 recompiled the GL front end in the X libraries.  The latter includes changes
 to the source code headers, so everything from PLIB onwards must be
 recompiled.
 
 
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RE: [Flightgear-devel] latest CVS doesn't run on linux

2002-05-19 Thread Norman Vine

Flavio Villanustre writes:

I've just updated my Simgear, Flightgear, fgfsbase trees from CVS and 
compiled them. But when I try to run fgfs it exits with next error:

Processing command line arguments
Finished command line arguments
Opening a window: 1024x768
game mode params = width=1024 height=768 bpp=16
Xlib:  extension GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest missing on 
display :0.0.
GLUT: Fatal Error in fgfs: visual with necessary capabilities 
not found.

Try running FGFS with no commandline parameters
or simply --geometry=1024x768

Your problem may be related to requesting gamemode
and/or bpp=16

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[Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread Tony Peden

OK, ha, ha, funny, funny.  Joke's over.

Curt, David: I humbly request that such patches not be accepted in the
future.

I really think that grabbing files off the network without explicit 
permission from the user is a bad idea, even when it's all in good fun. 
FlightGear is not, by nature, a network client or server by nature and
it's reasonable to expect, IMHO, that it won't initiate network activity
without the users explicit instructions to do so.

We also have users on 56k modems and, I believe, users who pay for
access by the minute and they should not be forced into a download
they don't want.  


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cheaper 3D clouds?

2002-05-19 Thread Wolfram Kuss

Very interesting link!

I have to say I did nmot like the www.cs.unc.edu clouds very much, the
screenshots looked good, but the demo showed the problems.

Off course it may be the same for this paper, often clouds look better
in single screenshots than in a moving simulator, looking at them from
all sides and distances. BTW, the IMHO best screenshots come from
CFS3, see
http://www.simhq.com/simhq3/sims/interviews/cfs3/
Lets see how this will turn out to when it ships.

To look at the PDF in your link, I installed the japanese character
set for Acrobat Reader 5.0, that solved the problem I had.

The advantage of this algorithm is that the clouds can realistically
change shapes and you can probably make them match the underlying
terrain. Both is important for soaring enthusiasts.

Bye bye,
Wolfram.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread Alex Perry

Tony comments:
 OK, ha, ha, funny, funny.  Joke's over.

For you maybe ... 8-)

 I really think that grabbing files off the network without explicit 
 permission from the user is a bad idea, even when it's all in good fun. 

1.  Putting the magic download into the base package CVS would have ensured
that Tony has nothing to complain about.  He's right, in any case.

2.  The preceding property lookup could have a selective override to 
implement the conditional, thereby reproducing the behavior.

 We also have users on 56k modems

I'm by default on a 33k, so a streaming download doesn't work very well.

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] latest CVS doesn't run on linux

2002-05-19 Thread Flavio Villanustre

On Sun, 19 May 2002, Norman Vine wrote:

 Try running FGFS with no commandline parameters
 or simply --geometry=1024x768
 
 Your problem may be related to requesting gamemode
 and/or bpp=16

Norman, tried both with no success. Now I'm looking at a libGL.a that 
XFree86-devel rpm from RedHat 7.3 has dropped into /usr/X11R6/lib. 

As soon as I have a clue I'll let you know to warn other people migrating 
to RedHat 7.3.

Best regards,

Flavio Villanustre.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread Martin Henne

Tony Peden wrote:
 OK, ha, ha, funny, funny.  Joke's over.
 
 Curt, David: I humbly request that such patches not be accepted in the
 future.
 
 I really think that grabbing files off the network without explicit 
 permission from the user is a bad idea, even when it's all in good fun. 
 FlightGear is not, by nature, a network client or server by nature and
 it's reasonable to expect, IMHO, that it won't initiate network activity
 without the users explicit instructions to do so.

I definitely agree. It's a violation of almost every netiquette rule,
that is concerned to virus-like behaviour or bandwith respect of 
others.

 
 We also have users on 56k modems and, I believe, users who pay for
 access by the minute and they should not be forced into a download
 they don't want.  

Even on fast connections, this kind of code is not, what it is
expected to be. And therefore, it is M$-like and only less
steps away from doing something really nasty.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread Alex Perry

 I definitely agree. It's a violation of almost every netiquette rule,
 that is concerned to virus-like behaviour or bandwith respect of 
 others.

I disagree.  Almost _every_ new Microsoft-based program checks its home
website, sometimes for logging and sometimes anonymous as in this case.
It is really interesting to use a linux firewall for a modern MS system.

In this case, the bit I object to is simply
(1) that the transfer doesn't get cached (hence my CVS comment)
(2) that there is no fallback for low bandwidth clients

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread Andy Ross

Martin Henne wrote:
 Tony Peden wrote:
  OK, ha, ha, funny, funny.  Joke's over.
 
  Curt, David: I humbly request that such patches not be accepted in the
  future.

 I definitely agree. It's a violation of almost every netiquette rule,
 that is concerned to virus-like behaviour or bandwith respect of
 others.

Well, I was amused, anyway.

Andy

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] latest CVS doesn't run on linux

2002-05-19 Thread Flavio Villanustre

On Sun, 19 May 2002, Flavio Villanustre wrote:

 Norman, tried both with no success. Now I'm looking at a libGL.a that 
 XFree86-devel rpm from RedHat 7.3 has dropped into /usr/X11R6/lib. 
 
 As soon as I have a clue I'll let you know to warn other people migrating 
 to RedHat 7.3.
 
I've finally got flightgear working on RedHat 7.3 with NVidia drivers. The 
only drawback I found is that either enabling game-mode or setting 
geometry leads to vry low framerates (probably due to software 
rendering?). Other than that, flightgear runs smoothly on a window with 
above than 50 fps on a Geforce2.

It looks like flightgear got linked against a /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.a 
presumable from Mesa (it comes from XFree86-devel.xxx.rpm) instead of 
/usr/lib/libGL.so from NVidia.

So for everybody upgrading to RedHat 7.3, just make a symbolic link for 
libGL.so into /usr/X11R6/lib/ dir after installing your NVIDIA_GLX rpm. 
Just in case copy your NVidia GL headers into /usr/include/GL.

To put it in a nutshell:

rpm -U NVIDIA_GLX.*
ln -s /usr/lib/libGL.so /usr/X11R6/lib/
cp /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX/include/GL/* /usr/include/GL/

After that, just compile plib, Simgear and flighgear as usual.

Hope this helps others as well.

Regards,

Flavio Villanustre




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Re: [Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread Tony Peden

On Sun, 2002-05-19 at 17:39, Alex Perry wrote:
  I definitely agree. It's a violation of almost every netiquette rule,
  that is concerned to virus-like behaviour or bandwith respect of 
  others.
 
 I disagree.  Almost _every_ new Microsoft-based program checks its home
 website, sometimes for logging and sometimes anonymous as in this case.

And that somehow makes it right?

 It is really interesting to use a linux firewall for a modern MS system.
 
 In this case, the bit I object to is simply
 (1) that the transfer doesn't get cached (hence my CVS comment)
 (2) that there is no fallback for low bandwidth clients
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Bad line endings when running on windows

2002-05-19 Thread Bernie Bright

Frederic Bouvier wrote:
 
 From: Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  * Bernie Bright -- Sunday 19 May 2002 06:23:
   As for line endings I think its simpler if we just use CRLF for both
   client and server.  I will check that the new server always sends CRLF.
 
  ACK
  Not that this is in any way obligatory, but the perl documentation says:
 
$ man perlipc|col -b|grep -A12 Line Terminators
   Internet Line Terminators
 
   The Internet line terminator is \015\012.  Under ASCII
   variants of Unix, that could usually be written as \r\n,
   but under other systems, \r\n might at times be
   \015\015\012, \012\012\015, or something completely
   different.  The standards specify writing \015\012 to be
   conformant (be strict in what you provide), but they also
   recommend accepting a lone \012 on input (but be lenient
   in what you require).  We haven't always been very good
   about that in the code in this manpage, but unless you're
   on a Mac, you'll probably be ok.
 
 This is off-topic. As Julian points out, RFC854, chapter 7, specify that
 a new line is CRLF in the telnet protocol.
 
We are not bound to implement the telnet protocol because we don't
provide a telnet server.  However you are correct in that the props
server doesn't always respond with CRLF line terminators.  I have a
patch that I will send to Curt real soon.

Bernie

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread Alex Perry

   I definitely agree. It's a violation of almost every netiquette rule,
   that is concerned to virus-like behaviour or bandwith respect of 
   others.
  
  I disagree.  Almost _every_ new Microsoft-based program checks its home
  website, sometimes for logging and sometimes anonymous as in this case.
 
 And that somehow makes it right?

No, I take the viewpoint that netiquette is what the majority accept.
Therefore, I don't think the proposed rule exists and thus was not broken.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread Tony Peden

On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 07:05:37PM -0700, Alex Perry wrote:
I definitely agree. It's a violation of almost every netiquette rule,
that is concerned to virus-like behaviour or bandwith respect of 
others.
   
   I disagree.  Almost _every_ new Microsoft-based program checks its home
   website, sometimes for logging and sometimes anonymous as in this case.
  
  And that somehow makes it right?
 
 No, I take the viewpoint that netiquette is what the majority accept.
 Therefore, I don't think the proposed rule exists and thus was not broken.
 

Fair enough.  I take the view that every network transaction shares
information about me (sometimes more, sometimes less).  Therefore,
I should always have the opportunity to authorize network transactions
ahead of time, unless it's clearly understood that that's what a
particular app does, such as a web browser.  


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread Jim Wilson

Well I knew it was there and forgot about it.  I always run from a text window
so a quick CTRL+C closed the player and saved my bandwidth.  Seems to me that
Curt meant it as a joke, no harm intended, albeit a little less gratifying for
modem users.  It's only for one day.  So my suggestion is lighten up and stay
away from the Microsoft products ;-).

Now that we're all concerned about wasting our _own_ bandwidth...I'm wondering
what Curt's bandwidth stats look like!

Oh and...this is like spyware.  Isn't it possible to find how many people
ran FG today?  Maybe even who ran flight gear today :-)

Best,

Jim

Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

 On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 07:05:37PM -0700, Alex Perry wrote:
 I definitely agree. It's a violation of almost every
netiquette rule,
 that is concerned to virus-like behaviour or bandwith respect of 
 others.

I disagree.  Almost _every_ new Microsoft-based program checks
its home
website, sometimes for logging and sometimes anonymous as in
this case.
   
   And that somehow makes it right?
  
  No, I take the viewpoint that netiquette is what the majority accept.
  Therefore, I don't think the proposed rule exists and thus was not
broken.
  
 
 Fair enough.  I take the view that every network transaction shares
 information about me (sometimes more, sometimes less).  Therefore,
 I should always have the opportunity to authorize network transactions
 ahead of time, unless it's clearly understood that that's what a
 particular app does, such as a web browser.  
 


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread Tony Peden

On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 01:38:40AM -, Jim Wilson wrote:
 Well I knew it was there and forgot about it.  I always run from a text window
 so a quick CTRL+C closed the player and saved my bandwidth.  Seems to me that
 Curt meant it as a joke, no harm intended, albeit a little less gratifying for
 modem users.  It's only for one day.  So my suggestion is lighten up and stay
 away from the Microsoft products ;-).
 
 Now that we're all concerned about wasting our _own_ bandwidth...I'm wondering
 what Curt's bandwidth stats look like!
 
 Oh and...this is like spyware.  Isn't it possible to find how many people
 ran FG today?  Maybe even who ran flight gear today :-)

Indeed.

 
 Best,
 
 Jim
 
 Tony Peden [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
  On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 07:05:37PM -0700, Alex Perry wrote:
  I definitely agree. It's a violation of almost every
 netiquette rule,
  that is concerned to virus-like behaviour or bandwith respect of 
  others.
 
 I disagree.  Almost _every_ new Microsoft-based program checks
 its home
 website, sometimes for logging and sometimes anonymous as in
 this case.

And that somehow makes it right?
   
   No, I take the viewpoint that netiquette is what the majority accept.
   Therefore, I don't think the proposed rule exists and thus was not
 broken.
   
  
  Fair enough.  I take the view that every network transaction shares
  information about me (sometimes more, sometimes less).  Therefore,
  I should always have the opportunity to authorize network transactions
  ahead of time, unless it's clearly understood that that's what a
  particular app does, such as a web browser.  
  
 
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread Cameron Moore

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tony Peden) [2002.05.19 15:36]:
 OK, ha, ha, funny, funny.  Joke's over.

Man, I've been trying to figure out what the heck you guys are talking
about.  Anybody else that doesn't have mpg123 installed?  :-)

Anyway, it's not even funny.  I thought it was going to be a Stars Wars
song or something, but it turned out to be a complete waste of
bandwidth.  :-/

 Curt, David: I humbly request that such patches not be accepted in the
 future.

I'll second that.  Easter eggs should be local, not network related.
The egg that's in CVS right now is rotten.

 I really think that grabbing files off the network without explicit 
 permission from the user is a bad idea, even when it's all in good fun. 
 FlightGear is not, by nature, a network client or server by nature and
 it's reasonable to expect, IMHO, that it won't initiate network activity
 without the users explicit instructions to do so.

Seconded.

 We also have users on 56k modems and, I believe, users who pay for
 access by the minute and they should not be forced into a download
 they don't want.  

We've had several people on the -users list that think we have a trojan
or we've been hacked.  Not funny.
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[Flightgear-devel] Failed to load 3D model

2002-05-19 Thread Cameron Moore

I get a Fatal error when trying to use some aircraft because I don't
have the 3D model installed.  For example, I don't have the Harrier or
the Beech99 models installed.  I'd suggest that we not cause a fatal
error on models that are not shipped in the base package?  Or possibly,
just don't cause a fatal error when any model fails to load.

Thanks
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Failed to load 3D model

2002-05-19 Thread Alex Perry

How about we have a missing model in the same way as we have a
missing texture ?  A ten meter cube with that texture on each side ?

 I get a Fatal error when trying to use some aircraft because I don't
 have the 3D model installed.  For example, I don't have the Harrier or
 the Beech99 models installed.  I'd suggest that we not cause a fatal
 error on models that are not shipped in the base package?  Or possibly,
 just don't cause a fatal error when any model fails to load.
 
 Thanks
 -- 
 Cameron Moore
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 \of things.  -- Dan Rather talking about President Clinton /
 
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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Failed to load 3D model

2002-05-19 Thread Norman Vine

Alex Perry writes:

How about we have a missing model in the same way as we have a
missing texture ?  A ten meter cube with that texture on each side ?

I remember a blue and yellow glider 

Norman

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Failed to load 3D model

2002-05-19 Thread Alex Perry

 Alex Perry writes:
 How about we have a missing model in the same way as we have a
 missing texture ?  A ten meter cube with that texture on each side ?
 
 I remember a blue and yellow glider 

I thought that was the default model, i.e. the one that is used if you
don't specify otherwise.  Should we also use it for the missing model ?

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Failed to load 3D model

2002-05-19 Thread Norman Vine

Alex Perry writes:

 Alex Perry writes:
 How about we have a missing model in the same way as we have a
 missing texture ?  A ten meter cube with that texture on 
each side ?
 
 I remember a blue and yellow glider 

I thought that was the default model, i.e. the one that is used if you
don't specify otherwise.  Should we also use it for the missing model ?

Ummm.. 

// default preferences.xml
 snip 
 !-- General simulation preferences --
 sim
  aircraftc172/aircraft
  virtual-cockpit type=boolfalse/virtual-cockpit

// Aircraft / c172-set.xml
 snip 
  model
   pathAircraft/c172/Models/c172-dpm.xml/path
  /model

So the way I read it the glider is no-more 

Norman

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] uncool easter egg

2002-05-19 Thread C. Hotchkiss



Alex Perry wrote:

  I definitely agree. It's a violation of almost every netiquette rule,
  that is concerned to virus-like behaviour or bandwith respect of
  others.

 I disagree.  Almost _every_ new Microsoft-based program checks its home
 website, sometimes for logging and sometimes anonymous as in this case.
 It is really interesting to use a linux firewall for a modern MS system.


I'm surprised there hasn't been a howl set up with that bit of MS spying.
They've been skewered before for applications that install with covert net
activity as the default. Are you referring to them going beyond the log in
to active an application nonsense?

Regards,

Charlie H.
--
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot;
C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows
away your whole leg. - Bjarne Stroustrup



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[Flightgear-devel] Win32 Source code

2002-05-19 Thread A J
Hi all
Is there any flight gear source code for visual c++ 6.0
if there exist please send me its address
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