Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question: Online forums?
"Ampere K. Hardraade" wrote: > Nope. I can sort mails by thread, date, and author fine. It's just that I > feel a message board is more organized. In anycase, it doesn't matter, as > majority of the developers object to the idea of switching to a message > board. To my recognition most arguments are not against the idea of a message board, instead people simply object to the idea of a web forum. Let's face it: These web forums are nothing but a poor man's Usenet: A really good idea combined with a really bad implementation. We could try the "real thing", if people want to. To my knowledge the newer releases of Mailman allow for communication with a news server, this could be a way to go if you really want a message board like system. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Bug in moving-average filter?
Hello List,
I think there's a small bug in the moving-average filter in
xmlauto.cxx
I noticed that the output from it was always out a bit and
checking with a calculator showed that it seemed to be dividing
by the number of samples + 1 instead of just the number of
samples.
subtracting 1 from 'samples' in line 702 seems to fix the problem
and as 'samples' doesn't seem to be used elsewhere I think it's
safe. Possibly implies that the number of samples may be one
less than specified but I'm not familiar enough with c++ to spot
it. The amended code segment is pasted below.
else if (filterType == movingAverage)
{
output.push_front(output[0] +
(input[0] - input.back()) /
(samples - 1));
unsigned int i;
for ( i = 0; i < output_list.size(); ++i ) {
output_list[i]->setDoubleValue( output[0] );
}
output.resize(1);
}
note the line break due to wrap just in front the amended code.
LeeE
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[Flightgear-devel] JSBSim aircraft
In [further] preparation for installing the new JSBSim code and config file format into mainline FlightGear, I'd like to know which JSBSim aircraft are considered important enough to do some really good testing on before making the move to the new codebase. Please let me know which JSBSim aircraft are important to you. (Saying: "Oh, we use exclusively." is not an allowed response - even if it's true. If it _is_ true, you should make something up so I will feel needed. ;-) ;-) The C-172p/r are assumed to be needed. Please reply only to one list. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Electrical system properties
Are the electrical system properties readable?
In NASAL, when I write
elec = getprop("/systems/electrical/volts[0]");
print("elec:");
print(elec);
It prints nothing.
The same for
/systems/electrical/outputs/bus-avionics[0]
but when I substitute
/consumables/fuel/tank/level-gal_us[0]
it reports a correct value.
The docs say that my script can monitor the property name associated
with an output to decide how to render an instrument. I have checked
the spelling and it looks correct to the value I see in the viewer
flying the Cessna 172.
Thanks,
Steve
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question: Online forums?
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:21:59 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think a forum is a great idea. The biggest advantage I see over > most mailing lists is that a forum is searchable. I see too many > F/OSS projects with mailing lists that aren't searchable. Having a > searchable forum/list really cuts down on duplicate questions. ..huh? Any modern email client can do backtraffic searches. > Having said that, I really like phpBB for forum software. It's > actively developed, has a lot of mods, and has an active community. > It can also use PostgreSQL, so you won't have to use MySQL. > > Another feature I really like is a mod for phpBB called "Mail 2 Forum" > or m2f. It allows people to post and see responses to a forum using > e-mail. It's a nice feature if you have some people who want a forum > and some who want a mailing list. I've used this mod in the past and > it's pretty neat. > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question: Online forums?
On September 15, 2005 10:00 am, Andy Ross wrote: > Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: > > Anway, I like the idea of having a dedicated online message > > board for FlightGear. The primary reason why I like online > > message board is that all the posts in a topic are grouped > > under one thread and are sorted by dates, which is more > > organized in my opinion. > > This is another situation where a "pro forum" post has more to do > with bad email client software than it does with email as a > whole. Nope. I can sort mails by thread, date, and author fine. It's just that I feel a message board is more organized. In anycase, it doesn't matter, as majority of the developers object to the idea of switching to a message board. On September 15, 2005 05:39 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > probably we could think of a support forum... > > Thorben I agree. I think it is an advantage to have an online message board for the users. Having an online community for users to be in will make people more incline to stay, thus culturing more loyal users. Ampere ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Question: Online forums?
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 09:53:14 +0200, Erik wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Alex Perry wrote: > > From: "Curtis L. Olson" > > > - I'm getting really sick of spam. I think we do a pretty good > > > job of protecting the list members themselves, but the list > > > admins get continually pummeled with spam rates measured in > > > messages per hour and sometimes messages per minute ... > > > > Fix the real problem. Make the admin messages go through a > > procmail. An autoresponse tells people to use the web page > > subscribe/unsubscribe if they're having trouble, mentions the > > message size limit, points out the web archive of old traffic, and > > explains that anybody really wanting to contact the list admins > > should be able to figure it out using Google. > > Maybe that can be a good solution, create an autoresponder that > returns instructions on how to contact the mailinglist admin using a > web page? ..yup, could be a web email form page. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question: Online forums?
On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 11:21:59 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think a forum is a great idea. The biggest advantage I see over > most mailing lists is that a forum is searchable. I see too many > F/OSS projects with mailing lists that aren't searchable. Having a > searchable forum/list really cuts down on duplicate questions. ..huh? Any modern email client can do backtraffic searches. > Having said that, I really like phpBB for forum software. It's > actively developed, has a lot of mods, and has an active community. > It can also use PostgreSQL, so you won't have to use MySQL. > > Another feature I really like is a mod for phpBB called "Mail 2 Forum" > or m2f. It allows people to post and see responses to a forum using > e-mail. It's a nice feature if you have some people who want a forum > and some who want a mailing list. I've used this mod in the past and > it's pretty neat. > -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question: Online forums?
I like forums very much. I used to hate mailing lists untill I came "here". They are not that bad but as everyone said, they are not that easy to "browse". Question: would it be that hard to improve the web-based archive-reader? I would like to have a kind of expandable tree view... But I think no one came up with the main advantage (in my opinion) of a mailing list: The niveau is simply higher... As you are not hidden behind a stupid nickname like "DarkDEVIL" or "-~==~-", but provide your email address for everyone to see, you don't feel that anonymous any more. And people who never heard of RTFM or think we like to hear some of those statements like: "U suck, msfs is muchbetter1" have either never heard about mailing lists or are too lazy to sign up... I hate to say it, but for flightgear, mailing lists are just the best thing. probably we could think of a support forum... Thorben ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:
Erik Hofman wrote: > Martin Spott wrote: >> Did you actually manage to compile current OpenAL CVS on IRIX ? > > Sure, just make sure there are no old headers (and library) installed > somewhere and do a fresh make (dist)clean and make install. No such message as this one ? cc-1020 cc: ERROR File = arch/irix/iris.c, Line = 415 The identifier "AL_FORMAT_QUAD8_LOKI" is undefined. case AL_FORMAT_QUAD8_LOKI: Maybe I need to do a fresh checkout Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear configure.ac, 1.94, 1.95
Martin Spott wrote: Hello Erik, Erik Hofman wrote: Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv29428 Modified Files: configure.ac Log Message: Prepare for OpenAL 1.1 and a separate alut lubrary. Did you actually manage to compile current OpenAL CVS on IRIX ? Sure, just make sure there are no old headers (and library) installed somewhere and do a fresh make (dist)clean and make install. Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Segfaults with real weather fetch
On Thursday 15 Sep 2005 18:36, Vivian Meazza wrote: > Lee Elliott > > > since updating from cvs yesterday I now seem to get > > segfaults whenever I try to use real-weather-fetch. > > > > Anyone else? > > Everybody else: it's a known bug in 3dClouds which causes > YASim to fail. > > We await a fix from Harald. > > Just don't use real-weather-fetch until the fix is available. > > Regards > > Vivian Ta - and AJ. That one didn't register when I must have seen it in earlier posts. LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
RE: [Flightgear-devel] Segfaults with real weather fetch
Lee Elliott > > since updating from cvs yesterday I now seem to get segfaults > whenever I try to use real-weather-fetch. > > Anyone else? > Everybody else: it's a known bug in 3dClouds which causes YASim to fail. We await a fix from Harald. Just don't use real-weather-fetch until the fix is available. Regards Vivian ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear configure.ac, 1.94, 1.95
Hello Erik, Erik Hofman wrote: > Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear > In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv29428 > > Modified Files: > configure.ac > Log Message: > Prepare for OpenAL 1.1 and a separate alut lubrary. Did you actually manage to compile current OpenAL CVS on IRIX ? Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Segfaults with real weather fetch
AJ MacLeod wrote: On Thursday 15 September 2005 18:12, Lee Elliott wrote: since updating from cvs yesterday I now seem to get segfaults whenever I try to use real-weather-fetch. This has been happening with yasim A/C since some of Harald's changes a few weeks ago. Using a JSBSim a/c you will find (if this is the same bug) that FG runs, but visibility is set to 0 - selecting Metar from the appropriate dialogue box will set things correctly. Harald knows where the problem lies, I think, and has reproduced it on his own setup. Or have you found another bug? I must confess I've not updated from CVS for about a week now... AJ It's not forgotten, I'll send a patch in a day or two. Harald. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Segfaults with real weather fetch
On Thursday 15 September 2005 18:12, Lee Elliott wrote: > since updating from cvs yesterday I now seem to get segfaults > whenever I try to use real-weather-fetch. This has been happening with yasim A/C since some of Harald's changes a few weeks ago. Using a JSBSim a/c you will find (if this is the same bug) that FG runs, but visibility is set to 0 - selecting Metar from the appropriate dialogue box will set things correctly. Harald knows where the problem lies, I think, and has reproduced it on his own setup. Or have you found another bug? I must confess I've not updated from CVS for about a week now... AJ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
[Flightgear-devel] Segfaults with real weather fetch
Hello all, since updating from cvs yesterday I now seem to get segfaults whenever I try to use real-weather-fetch. Anyone else? LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question: Online forums?
Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: > Anway, I like the idea of having a dedicated online message > board for FlightGear. The primary reason why I like online > message board is that all the posts in a topic are grouped > under one thread and are sorted by dates, which is more > organized in my opinion. This is another situation where a "pro forum" post has more to do with bad email client software than it does with email as a whole. All of the above (and much more) are possible with Mozilla Thunderbird. You can sort by thread, you can sort by subject/date, you can sort by date, or sender, or search. You can automatically filter into a subfolder (actually I do that part with procmail, but Thunderbird has its own filters). And being client software, it's vastly faster and more responsive than even the best websites (although as I mentioned earlier, gmail seems to be really close). It will even store all your mail on your local machine, for offline reading. Andy ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question: Online forums?
On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 05:37:15AM +, Martin Spott wrote: > This posting is written using 'telnet'. Cheers, Dito. With mutt running on the server. Only got a Win95 with 99MHz and 8MB here. Good enough for putty.exe, but graphical browsers are a pain. And java(script) would be a nogo. (Agreed, I can't really take part in development under these conditions either. :-) m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Question: Online forums?
On Thu, Sep 15, 2005 at 12:39:06AM +0200, Oliver C. wrote: > On Wednesday 14 September 2005 19:03, Curtis L. Olson wrote: > > What would people think of abandoning our mailing lists and converting > > over to online/web-based forums? > > This is a great idea! > I like forums and prefer them. But you aren't a developer. Sorry, but lurkers don't count. If the lists were to be stopped, in no time somebody would set up an inofficial mailing list for developers. Development doesn't happen (exclusively) in forums. In virtually *no* software project that I know of. The reasons have been explained. Of course, people merely interested in entertainment may get along with cheesy forums. m. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Question: Online forums?
Alex Perry wrote: From: "Curtis L. Olson" >>- I'm getting really sick of spam. I think we do a pretty good job of protecting the list members themselves, but the list admins get continually pummeled with spam rates measured in messages per hour and sometimes messages per minute ... Fix the real problem. Make the admin messages go through a procmail. An autoresponse tells people to use the web page subscribe/unsubscribe if they're having trouble, mentions the message size limit, points out the web archive of old traffic, and explains that anybody really wanting to contact the list admins should be able to figure it out using Google. Maybe that can be a good solution, create an autoresponder that returns instructions on how to contact the mailinglist admin using a web page? Erik ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
