[Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
After a few months of dithering, searching, and researching, I've bought a used plane, a 1979 160 HP Piper Warrior II with (mostly) King IFR radios. It will be at least a few days before I actually take legal ownership, but it is parked safely at the flying club waiting for me. I am quite impressed with the handling compared to the 172's I've flown. Here are some pics: http://www.megginson.com/private/C-FBJO/ I originally saw the plane when I went to Toronto to try out a Cardinal (which I didn't like), but it wasn't possible to fly the plane then because the annual wasn't finished. I did a test flight and had my AME do a detailed prepurchase yesterday. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:50 -0500 David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: After a few months of dithering, searching, and researching, I've bought a used plane, a 1979 160 HP Piper Warrior II with http://www.megginson.com/private/C-FBJO/ Nice. I guess we'll have to finish and validate our PA-28 model - there's lots of data in McCormick for this one. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
Jon S Berndt writes: > Nice. I guess we'll have to finish and validate our PA-28 > model - there's lots of data in McCormick for this one. It looks like there's a good start, and I can run some performance tests of my own once I've finished my 5 hours dual on the plane. Would it be possible to type in the McCormick data and send me a copy? All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 12:41:52 -0500 David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jon S Berndt writes: It looks like there's a good start, and I can run some performance tests of my own once I've finished my 5 hours dual on the plane. Would it be possible to type in the McCormick data and send me a copy? IIRC, Cameron (both Camerons?) worked on this one. I'll see what I can do on getting the info. The good and bad about the data in McCormick is that there's a lot of it there - it's sort of a default example used throughout the book and so a lot of the data is spread out. But the JSBSim PA-28 file is derived from all that data, I think. I won't know until I can take a look at it at home. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
Jon S Berndt writes: > IIRC, Cameron (both Camerons?) worked on this one. I'll > see what I can do on getting the info. The good and bad > about the data in McCormick is that there's a lot of it > there - it's sort of a default example used throughout the > book and so a lot of the data is spread out. But the > JSBSim PA-28 file is derived from all that data, I think. > I won't know until I can take a look at it at home. Maybe I can grab a cheap used copy -- what's the full biblio ref? All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 15:00:21 -0500 David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jon S Berndt writes: > IIRC, Cameron (both Camerons?) worked on this one. I'll > see what I can do on getting the info. The good and bad > about the data in McCormick is that there's a lot of it > there - it's sort of a default example used throughout the > book and so a lot of the data is spread out. But the > JSBSim PA-28 file is derived from all that data, I think. > I won't know until I can take a look at it at home. Maybe I can grab a cheap used copy -- what's the full biblio ref? Yeah - a new copy of the most recent edition is over $100, IIRC. I'll bet it's worth it, though. The ISBN is 0-471-03032-5, "Aerodynamics, Aeronautics, and Flight Mechanics" by Barnes W. McCormick. Published by Wiley. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
I've flown several times as a passenger in that particular model. Loved it. I'm in deep envy and insist on being in your will. ;-) Regards, Charlie H. David Megginson wrote: After a few months of dithering, ... did a test flight and had my AME do a detailed prepurchase yesterday. Regards, Charlie H. -- "C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg." - Bjarne Stroustrup ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
C. Hotchkiss writes: > I've flown several times as a passenger in that particular model. Loved > it. I'm in deep envy and insist on being in your will. ;-) Sure -- I'll leave the maintenance bills in your name. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:18:20 -0600, "Jon S Berndt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:50 -0500 > David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >After a few months of dithering, searching, and > >researching, I've > >bought a used plane, a 1979 160 HP Piper Warrior II with > > > > http://www.megginson.com/private/C-FBJO/ > > > > Nice. I guess we'll have to finish and validate our PA-28 > model - there's lots of data in McCormick for this one. > > Jon ..that cabin ceiling "spine", air conditioning? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
Arnt Karlsen writes: > On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:18:20 -0600, > "Jon S Berndt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:50 -0500 > > David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >After a few months of dithering, searching, and > > >researching, I've > > >bought a used plane, a 1979 160 HP Piper Warrior II with > > > > > > http://www.megginson.com/private/C-FBJO/ > > > > > > > Nice. I guess we'll have to finish and validate our PA-28 > > model - there's lots of data in McCormick for this one. > > > > Jon > > ..that cabin ceiling "spine", air conditioning? I'm sure that in a couple days there will be several 10/100 jacks installed at 2 foot intervals. :-) Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Cities[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
Arnt Karlsen writes: > ..that cabin ceiling "spine", air conditioning? I think it's just a fan. The nice thing about a plane is that you can (usually) just climb to cool down. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 17:12:30 -0600, "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen writes: > > On Thu, 05 Dec 2002 11:18:20 -0600, > > "Jon S Berndt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > On Thu, 5 Dec 2002 10:59:50 -0500 > > > David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >After a few months of dithering, searching, and > > > >researching, I've > > > >bought a used plane, a 1979 160 HP Piper Warrior II with > > > > > > > > http://www.megginson.com/private/C-FBJO/ > > > > > > > > > > Nice. I guess we'll have to finish and validate our PA-28 > > > model - there's lots of data in McCormick for this one. > > > > > > Jon > > > > ..that cabin ceiling "spine", air conditioning? > > I'm sure that in a couple days there will be several 10/100 jacks > installed at 2 foot intervals. :-) > ...and 802.11 antennas in each wing tip to feed our scenery servers, new-built-as-flown scenery... ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01:59, venerdì 06 dicembre 2002, David Megginson wrote this piece of wisdom: > After a few months of dithering, searching, and researching, I've > bought a used plane, a 1979 160 HP Piper Warrior II with (mostly) King > IFR radios. It will be at least a few days before I actually take > legal ownership, but it is parked safely at the flying club waiting > for me. I am quite impressed with the handling compared to the 172's > I've flown. Here are some pics: > > http://www.megginson.com/private/C-FBJO/ > > I originally saw the plane when I went to Toronto to try out a > Cardinal (which I didn't like), but it wasn't possible to fly the > plane then because the annual wasn't finished. I did a test flight > and had my AME do a detailed prepurchase yesterday. All you need now is an digital imaging camera underneath the plane and a GPS reciever so you can generator vector data for roads rivers and stuff. :-) You lucky b@$t4rd! :-P David - -- If you give someone a program, you will frustrate them for a day. If you teach them how to program, you will frustrate them for a lifetime. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE97/g9ZOfFgbBAbXARAoFfAKCQkCt4iAjtNG2LWqz0RGqEtMuRuACfVnOe JELOSF8SYXP66FQwxWoE8EU= =KJGE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
David Findlay writes: > All you need now is an digital imaging camera underneath the plane and a GPS > reciever so you can generator vector data for roads rivers and stuff. :-) You > lucky b@$t4rd! :-P Actually a bicycle, a canoe, and a $200 handheld GPS would do fine for that. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > After a few months of dithering, searching, and researching, I've > bought a used plane, a 1979 160 HP Piper Warrior II with (mostly) King > IFR radios. It will be at least a few days before I actually take Cool! It looks like it has really been taken care of. Nice find. Best, Jim ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
I flew an Arrow-III up to Minneapolis and back this past weekend. Even with a CAS of 135 kts, I had a GS of about 80-88 kts the whole way up to Minneapolis at 6000 feet because of a cold front moving through. On the way back, I had a great tailwind and at 9000 feet I was at 130 kts CAS and 194 kts GS. With a top speed of 217 kts GS on a descent from 9000 to 7000 feet. If you have an idea of what types of numbers you would like to get in terms of performance data.. I can try and get some on the Arrow and an Archer. I also have manuals for the Arrow and the Archer if that would be helpful. Do we have a central place we could store this stuff? I hope to get checked out in a Mooney 201 Turbo soon.. 174 kts CAS on 12-13 GPH! Anyway.. congrats on the purchase. It looks like a nice plane.. wish I had the guts to pull the trigger and buy my own plane, but with the job market the way it is.. I can't afford to make that purchase right now. Ryan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Megginson Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2002 10:00 AM To: flightgear-devel Subject: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO After a few months of dithering, searching, and researching, I've bought a used plane, a 1979 160 HP Piper Warrior II with (mostly) King IFR radios. It will be at least a few days before I actually take legal ownership, but it is parked safely at the flying club waiting for me. I am quite impressed with the handling compared to the 172's I've flown. Here are some pics: http://www.megginson.com/private/C-FBJO/ I originally saw the plane when I went to Toronto to try out a Cardinal (which I didn't like), but it wasn't possible to fly the plane then because the annual wasn't finished. I did a test flight and had my AME do a detailed prepurchase yesterday. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Megginson) [2002.12.05 10:02]: > After a few months of dithering, searching, and researching, I've > bought a used plane, a 1979 160 HP Piper Warrior II with (mostly) King > IFR radios. It will be at least a few days before I actually take > legal ownership, but it is parked safely at the flying club waiting > for me. I am quite impressed with the handling compared to the 172's > I've flown. Here are some pics: > > http://www.megginson.com/private/C-FBJO/ For those of you that haven't been here for long, the same David Megginson made the following post back in April about his disappointing first training flight: "... I'd say that there's a 55% chance I won't continue flying ..." http://mail.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2002-April/006392.html Congrats, David. You inspire us. :-) -- Cameron Moore [ How's my programming? Call 1-800-DEV-NULL ] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
Ryan Larson writes: > I flew an Arrow-III up to Minneapolis and back this past weekend. Even with > a CAS of 135 kts, I had a GS of about 80-88 kts the whole way up to > Minneapolis at 6000 feet because of a cold front moving through. On the way > back, I had a great tailwind and at 9000 feet I was at 130 kts CAS and 194 > kts GS. With a top speed of 217 kts GS on a descent from 9000 to > 7000 feet. Interesting. That's why people will pay for an extra few knots -- if you're flying into a 60kt headwind, a 120kt airplane is 1.5 times as fast as a 100kt airplane, for example. > If you have an idea of what types of numbers you would like to get in terms > of performance data.. I can try and get some on the Arrow and an Archer. I > also have manuals for the Arrow and the Archer if that would be helpful. Do > we have a central place we could store this stuff? Jon collects aero data at the JSBSim site. > Anyway.. congrats on the purchase. It looks like a nice > plane.. wish I had the guts to pull the trigger and buy my own > plane, but with the job market the way it is.. I can't afford to > make that purchase right now. Yes, I'm nervous as well, but you can look at it this way: a VFR 1960's PA-28-140 doesn't cost much more than new minivan, either to buy or to operate. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
Cameron Moore writes: > For those of you that haven't been here for long, the same David > Megginson made the following post back in April about his disappointing > first training flight: > > "... I'd say that there's a 55% chance I won't continue flying ..." > http://mail.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2002-April/006392.html > > Congrats, David. You inspire us. :-) Thanks -- I've been thinking a lot about that posting, and about all the help and support I got from the list after that. Ownership scares me about as much now as flying did then. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
David Megginson writes: > > I flew an Arrow-III up to Minneapolis and back this past > > weekend. Even with a CAS of 135 kts, I had a GS of about 80-88 > > kts the whole way up to Minneapolis at 6000 feet because of a > > cold front moving through. On the way back, I had a great > > tailwind and at 9000 feet I was at 130 kts CAS and 194 kts GS. > > With a top speed of 217 kts GS on a descent from 9000 to 7000 > > feet. > > Interesting. That's why people will pay for an extra few knots -- if > you're flying into a 60kt headwind, a 120kt airplane is 1.5 times as > fast as a 100kt airplane, for example. Oh, yeah, and you get your money back (with some interest) when you sell it in 10 or 20 years, while you might have to pay someone to toy the minivan away to the junk yard. I wouldn't choose a plane purely as an investment -- there's too much volatility for an average return of only about 7%/year over the past couple of decades (and flat over the past year or so) -- but given the markets since 2001, even if the plane just holds its current value it will be doing considerably better than my retirement investments. If you want to call it a fun 401K with wings, go for it. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
On Fri, 6 Dec 2002 06:23:41 -0500, David Megginson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Cameron Moore writes: > > > For those of you that haven't been here for long, the same David > > Megginson made the following post back in April about his > > disappointing first training flight: > > > > "... I'd say that there's a 55% chance I won't continue flying > > ..." > > http://mail.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2002-April/006392.html > > > > Congrats, David. You inspire us. :-) > > Thanks -- I've been thinking a lot about that posting, and about all > the help and support I got from the list after that. Ownership scares > me about as much now as flying did then. > ..oh? I missed the pep-talking you into ownership??? ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] PA-28-161 C-FBJO
> > legal ownership, but it is parked safely at the flying club waiting > > for me. I am quite impressed with the handling compared to the 172's > > I've flown. Here are some pics: > > > > http://www.megginson.com/private/C-FBJO/ > > For those of you that haven't been here for long, the same David > Megginson made the following post back in April about his disappointing > first training flight: > > "... I'd say that there's a 55% chance I won't continue flying ..." > http://mail.flightgear.org/pipermail/flightgear-devel/2002-April/006392.html > > Congrats, David. You inspire us. :-) "...and the Siren of Flight forever snatched poor David from the surly bonds of Earth..." :) g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
