Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taiway editing and scenery building
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, David Luff wrote: On 11/23/03 at 6:09 PM Jon Stockill wrote: There's a few pictures of the progress I've been making here: http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/scenery/ Wow, that's fantastic. Can I nag you to sent the updated taxiways to Robin Peel when you've got it finished to your satisfaction, so that all Yeah, no problem - I'll be doing a few, so I'll bundle them all up and send them in when they're reasonably accurate - the pan at EGXG is roughly the right shape, but way out at the moment. FlightGear and X-Plane users will eventually benefit. Did you make the control tower model BTW, and if so what in and can you make the source available? Yes it's mine - based on a pic I took of the tower at Church Fenton - it should do nicely as a generic RAF control tower, although could do with some more windows - as could the hangar. I completely, utterly and absolutely abdicate all responsibility there - TaxiDraw doesn't output anything about the runways :-) heh :-) I know - it suffered from the same problem when I ran genapts before adding the taxiways - if anyone has any ideas what could have caused it I'd love to hear them. OK, I agree with you on this one and I've changed it. In the long-term I expect most users will do most of the rough positioning with the mouse, but in the short term it's so much easier to implement keyboard control. I have now implemented selection of a taxiway with the mouse though - that should make it much easier working with large airports. Wonderful T EGXG xxx 53.838934 -1.186000 54.70 557 131 YCB T EGXG xxx 53.838934 -1.186000 54.70 557 131 YCB I agree with you on the width field, and I've increased the field width on that one. Have to disagree with you on the altered lon and heading spacing you've got there though - they don't agree with runways.dat, and you don't have enough room for -xxx.xx lon (lon goes to +- 180) and have one too many spaces for xxx.xx heading. OK - maybe it was just the width field it died on - I just edited the lot to match another line in runways.dat - I'll give the new version a try. I've also implemented a taxiway properties dialog so that heading, length, Ah, that should be very handy - lights down the middle of extremely wide sections just look wrong. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taiway editing and scenery building
Hi Guys I am obviously missing something here. I have downloaded David's Taxidraw and managed to get the information into the runways.dat file.But how does that tie into the airport scenery file. The airport I am working on has three runways in FG.Yet in the runways.dat file only two show. So what else is required to get the taxiways made with taxidraw to actually show in FG. Thanks for any help you can give. Cheers Innis The Mad Aussi _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taiway editing and scenery building
On 11/24/03 at 10:40 PM Innis Cunningham wrote: Hi Guys I am obviously missing something here. I have downloaded David's Taxidraw and managed to get the information into the runways.dat file.But how does that tie into the airport scenery file. The airport I am working on has three runways in FG.Yet in the runways.dat file only two show. Which airport? So what else is required to get the taxiways made with taxidraw to actually show in FG. You need to regenerate the scenery using Terragear after running genapts (part of Terragear) with the modified runways.dat. It's somewhat non-trivial. Cheers - Dave ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taiway editing and scenery building
On 11/23/03 at 6:09 PM Jon Stockill wrote: There's a few pictures of the progress I've been making here: http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/scenery/ Taxidraw is proving rather useful (thanks David), but I've spotted something slightly odd - I'm unsure if it's the source data, or genapts, but it's inserted runway 06/24 at EGXG backwards. Could this be a gotcha with how the heading is specified in runways.dat eg 54.64 vs 234.64? Cheers - Dave ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taiway editing and scenery building
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, David Luff wrote: Could this be a gotcha with how the heading is specified in runways.dat eg 54.64 vs 234.64? Probably - I hadn't really investigated - I just noticed it when taking the screenshots, and was going to try and track it down tonight. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taiway editing and scenery building
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, Jon Stockill wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2003, David Luff wrote: Could this be a gotcha with how the heading is specified in runways.dat eg 54.64 vs 234.64? Probably - I hadn't really investigated - I just noticed it when taking the screenshots, and was going to try and track it down tonight. A EGXG29 CYY Church Fenton R EGXG 06 53.834424 -1.195608 54.64 6140 151 NAPHN NNPN 5430 NNPN R EGXG 16 53.837399 -1.197656 156.05 5455 151 NARHN NNPN00 NNPN Apologies for the odd line breaks, but that *looks* correct. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taiway editing and scenery building
David Luff writes On 11/24/03 at 10:40 PM Innis Cunningham wrote: The airport I am working on has three runways in FG.Yet in the runways.dat file only two show. Which airport? YPPH Perth Western Australia.The runways.dat file only shows the two main runways 03 06.11 the light A/C runway is missing.But it is included in the YPPH scenery file. So what else is required to get the taxiways made with taxidraw to actually show in FG. You need to regenerate the scenery using Terragear after running genapts (part of Terragear) with the modified runways.dat. It's somewhat non-trivial. Ok thanks David I guess I will have to wait till someone makes a windows binary scenery editor. Cheers - Dave Cheers Innis The Mad Aussi _ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taiway editing and scenery building
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, Jon Stockill wrote: There's a few pictures of the progress I've been making here: http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/scenery/ Taxidraw is proving rather useful (thanks David), but I've spotted something slightly odd - I'm unsure if it's the source data, or genapts, but it's inserted runway 06/24 at EGXG backwards. One day I'll get a keyboard that works -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taiway editing and scenery building
On Sunday 23 November 2003 18:31, Jon Stockill wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, Jon Stockill wrote: There's a few pictures of the progress I've been making here: http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/scenery/ Taxidraw is proving rather useful (thanks David), but I've spotted something slightly odd - I'm unsure if it's the source data, or genapts, but it's inserted runway 06/24 at EGXG backwards. One day I'll get a keyboard that works -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those grabs look good to me:) Looking forward to getting it. LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Taiway editing and scenery building
On 11/23/03 at 6:09 PM Jon Stockill wrote: There's a few pictures of the progress I've been making here: http://flightgear.stockill.org.uk/scenery/ Wow, that's fantastic. Can I nag you to sent the updated taxiways to Robin Peel when you've got it finished to your satisfaction, so that all FlightGear and X-Plane users will eventually benefit. Did you make the control tower model BTW, and if so what in and can you make the source available? Taxidraw is proving rather useful (thanks David), but I've spotted something slightly odd - I'm unsure if it's the source data, or genapts, but it's inserted runway 06/24 at EGXG backwards. I completely, utterly and absolutely abdicate all responsibility there - TaxiDraw doesn't output anything about the runways :-) And in a previous message A couple of things: 1) Changing the shifted movement/rotation keys to be 10 times more effective really makes it a lot more usable - you can get the taxiway pieces in position a lot quicker, then nudge gently into place with the unshifted equivalents. OK, I agree with you on this one and I've changed it. In the long-term I expect most users will do most of the rough positioning with the mouse, but in the short term it's so much easier to implement keyboard control. I have now implemented selection of a taxiway with the mouse though - that should make it much easier working with large airports. 2) Taxidraw outputs this: T EGXG xxx 53.838934 -1.186000 54.70 557 131 YCB but genapts falls over if it doesn't get this: T EGXG xxx 53.838934 -1.186000 54.70 557 131 YCB Nothing that a bit of hand editing didn't cure though - just needs a couple of spaces adding. I agree with you on the width field, and I've increased the field width on that one. Have to disagree with you on the altered lon and heading spacing you've got there though - they don't agree with runways.dat, and you don't have enough room for -xxx.xx lon (lon goes to +- 180) and have one too many spaces for xxx.xx heading. I've also implemented a taxiway properties dialog so that heading, length, width and the surface and lighting attributes can be directly viewed and input. Select a taxiway and right-click anywhere, or press 'q' with a taxiway selected. Note that the length and width input is in feet, to match the source data, although internally it is converted to meters, and re-converted back for output. No validation is performed on the heading field yet, so entering other than a valid double will probably kill it! It's wrapped up in a new version at: www.nottingham.ac.uk/~eazdluf/TaxiDraw-0p0p3-preAlpha-w32bin.zip - Windows Binary (statically linked) [278K] www.nottingham.ac.uk/~eazdluf/TaxiDraw-0p0p3-preAlpha-src.tar.gz - source and makefile for Linux [44K], requires wxGTK-dev. Summary of changes from 0.0.2 to 0.0.3: Mouse can select a taxiway. Taxiway properties dialog available. Incorrect numerical width of taxiway width field in output fixed. Increased speed of shift-key movement x 10. Asphalt taxiways are shaded slightly darker than concrete one's. No differentiation is make for runway types - all runways are still uniformly shaded darker than any taxiways. Cheers - Dave ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
