Re: [Flightgear-devel] Walking around

[Detlef Faber]

Am Montag, den 17.03.2008, 01:18 +0100 schrieb Heiko Schulz:
> --- Detlef Faber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> 
> > Hi everybody,
> > 
> > I've just committed a "Walk View" to the jeep, so a
> > virtual passenger
> > can get out of the car and walk around in the
> > scenery.
> > 
> > The View follows the terrain height and the
> > movements gets blocked by
> > steep slopes and scenery models (sadly not by random
> > scenery models as
> > they are insensitve to collisions).
> > It is planned to be integrated with the interiour
> > movement like in the
> > Albatross, so one can seamlessly walk inside and
> > outside of the
> > Aircraft.
> > 
> > Suggestions and comments are welcome!
> > 
> > Greetings
> > 
> > Detlef
> > 
> Just tetsted on new EEDF and LFPG-Add-on!
> 
> Wow- this is really incredible- so much fun- that
> means taht we can go out of the cabin of an aircraft,
> get downstairs, make a walk-around and check all, and
> get back into the aircraft!
> 
> But it seems to me, that I can't get under objects-
> even than they are not massiv. I can drive under
> Static-aircrafts, but not walk. 
> 
This is because FG reports the upper side of the static Aircraft as
ground and not the ground below them. The Jeep gets the collision info
from FG, but the walker depends on the heigth geo.elevation reports. 
This might change in a future release.

> But that's peanuts
> Detlef- a lot of thanks
> 
> HHS
> 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Walking around

[Detlef Faber]

Am Montag, den 17.03.2008, 01:36 +0100 schrieb Georg Vollnhals:
> Heiko Schulz schrieb:
> > But it seems to me, that I can't get under objects-
> > even than they are not massiv. I can drive under
> > Static-aircrafts, but not walk. 
> >
> > But that's peanuts
> > Detlef- a lot of thanks
> >
> > HHS
> >
> >   
> But what is even better - you can walk ON an object if it has a RAMP to
> the earth.
> 
> I walked the whole bridge, first driving on the ramp with the jeep, but
> then I walked from the ramp onto the earth and back on the ramp and over
> the bridge:
> http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/Walkaround/Walkaround02.jpg
> 
> I should be sleeping already but I had so much fun testing the
> walkaraound ...
> 
Glad you like it. Only falling off the bridge is not yet implemented ...

> Regards
> Georg
> 
> 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building fails cannot find plib library from CVS

[Frederic Bouvier]

Selon Cleber Santz:

> Hi,
>
>  i have some problems to compile Flightgear from CVS. I have plib (1.8.5 from
> CVS) successful installed and headers under /usr/include/plib but the
> compilation fails and say that getting undefined reference for puaList and
> puaComboBox.
>
> Compilation log in attached file.
>
> Any help ??

You need to install newly released plib 1.8.5

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Walking around

[Erik Hofman]

Detlef Faber wrote:
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I've just committed a "Walk View" to the jeep, so a virtual passenger
> can get out of the car and walk around in the scenery.
> 
> The View follows the terrain height and the movements gets blocked by
> steep slopes and scenery models (sadly not by random scenery models as
> they are insensitve to collisions).
> It is planned to be integrated with the interiour movement like in the
> Albatross, so one can seamlessly walk inside and outside of the
> Aircraft.

I always wondered how long it would take people to discover that the 
Fokker-70... but no, that would spoil it.

Erik


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[Flightgear-devel] Res: Building fails cannot find plib library from CVS

[Cleber Santz]

Fred,

  Tks for reply, but like i say, i have the lasted plib from CVS (1.8.5).

I get from CVS plib, osg, simgear and flightgear, all updated together.

I check for include dir, and see that osg, simgear and flightgear headers are 
under /usr/local/include, so i make syslink for 
/usr/include/plib->/usr/local/include/plib. But it even fails.

Regards,
Cleber.


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Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 17 de Março de 2008 4:53:32
Assunto: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building fails cannot find plib library from CVS

Selon Cleber Santz:

> Hi,
>
>  i have some problems to compile Flightgear from CVS. I have plib (1.8.5 from
> CVS) successful installed and headers under /usr/include/plib but the
> compilation fails and say that getting undefined reference for puaList and
> puaComboBox.
>
> Compilation log in attached file.
>
> Any help ??

You need to install newly released plib 1.8.5

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[Flightgear-devel] Res: Res: Building fails cannot find plib library from CVS

[Cleber Santz]

I find this warning when run ./configure 
WARNING: plib/ul.h: accepted by the compiler, rejected by the preprocessor!
WARNING: plib/ul.h: proceeding with the compiler's result
for plib/ul.h... yes

This is normal ??


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Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 17 de Março de 2008 8:13:09
Assunto: [Flightgear-devel] Res: Building fails cannot find plib library from 
CVS

Fred,

  Tks for reply, but like i say, i have the lasted plib from CVS (1.8.5).

I get from CVS plib, osg, simgear and flightgear, all updated together.

I check for include dir, and see that osg, simgear and flightgear headers are 
under /usr/local/include, so i make syslink for 
/usr/include/plib->/usr/local/include/plib. But it even fails.

Regards,
Cleber.


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Para: FlightGear developers discussions 
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 17 de Março de 2008 4:53:32
Assunto: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building fails cannot find plib library from CVS

Selon Cleber Santz:

> Hi,
>
>  i have some problems to compile Flightgear from CVS. I have plib (1.8.5 from
> CVS) successful installed and headers under /usr/include/plib but the
> compilation fails and say that getting undefined reference for puaList and
> puaComboBox.
>
> Compilation log in attached file.
>
> Any help ??

You need to install newly released plib 1.8.5

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Rogue objects at KSQL

[George Patterson]

Hi Drew,

Thanks for that and I think I may have found the other object that i
reported. (or at least further information.

Using flightgear, I taxied along side the object which is around 37*
30 43.9N 122*14 56.5W
Which I think is the following line, though upon test but has it
didn't change  when I edited the stg file.

OBJECT_STATIC sanmateo-fb.xml -122.25 37.5831 -0.6 140

Using the c172 I tried flying into the beam and was solidly tossed
around when the beam crossed with my flight path.

I'm out of ideas for the evening. I might try stripping down the .stg
file and slowly add the lines back in. Or rather remove half, retest,
replace with the other half and re-test. This still doesn't explain
why the light is so solid. :-)

Regards


George


On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 8:50 PM, drew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sunday 16 March 2008 15:47:15 George Patterson wrote:
>  > Hi All,
>  >
>  > There are a few objects that have been misplaced at KSQL.
>  > 1. Light tower to the right of Runway 30.
>  > 2. A large building (black and grey at the end of the same runway)
>
>  G'day George,
>
>  I flew around KSQL in the ufo and, after comparing with GE, that large
>  building to the left of the threshhold on runway 30 is most definitely dodgy.
>  All the AI light aircraft were clipping their wings on final!
>  You can go to /Objects/w130n30/w123n37/942051.stg
>  and delete the line:
>  OBJECT_SHARED Models/fgfsdb/generic_skyscraper_03.ac -122.2469440 37.5088890-
>  490.86 180
>  That should get rid of the blue building.
>  I couldn't pin down the light tower in the middle of the taxiway but if you
>  do, make it a windsock and place it about 50 metres north-east - it would
>  just about match the image in GE.   :)
>
>  Regards,
>
>  Drew
>
> >
>  > It seems that the green and white light from the tower is solid.
>  >
>  > I have take a screen shot or two which I haven;'t attached to this email.
>  >
>  > Assuming that this is not a known bug, any comments on how to fix
>  > these two artifacts.
>  >
>  > (I though the problem of light being solid was fixed.)
>  >
>  > I am using Flightgear CVS version with glut.
>  >
>  > Regards
>  >
>  >
>  > George
>  >

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[Flightgear-devel] Res: Res: Building fails cannot find plib library from CVS

[Cleber Santz]

Hi Jester,

  I think it too, so i reinstall the system from zero and compile all again but 
the problem persist.

  this could be a missing parameter in ./configure ? prefix maybe ? i run 
configure only with  --enable-osgviewer for flightgear, for plib and simgear 
without  any parameters.

Regards
Cleber
  

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from CVS

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Cleber Santz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I check for include dir, and see that osg, simgear and flightgear headers
> are under /usr/local/include, so i make syslink for
> /usr/include/plib->/usr/local/include/plib. But it even fails.

Maybe you have old plib installed too? From distribution package, maybe?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Res: Res: Building fails cannot find plib library from CVS

[Curtis Olson]

My suggestion would be to search your system carefully to make sure you
don't have left overs from an earlier version of plib ... start in /usr/lib
and /usr/local/lib, also check your packaging system to make sure it didn't
install it's own version.  It appears as if you are compiling with
1.8.5headers and
1.8.4 libs ...

Regards,

Curt.


On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Cleber Santz wrote:

> Hi Jester,
>
>   I think it too, so i reinstall the system from zero and compile all
> again but the problem persist.
>
>   this could be a missing parameter in ./configure ? prefix maybe ? i run
> configure only with  --enable-osgviewer for flightgear, for plib and simgear
> without  any parameters.
>
> Regards
> Cleber
>
>
> - Mensagem original 
> De: Csaba Halász <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Para: FlightGear developers discussions <
> flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 17 de Março de 2008 10:02:24
> Assunto: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Res: Building fails cannot find plib
> library from CVS
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Cleber Santz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > I check for include dir, and see that osg, simgear and flightgear
> headers
> > are under /usr/local/include, so i make syslink for
> > /usr/include/plib->/usr/local/include/plib. But it even fails.
>
> Maybe you have old plib installed too? From distribution package, maybe?
>
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Res: Building fails cannot find plib library from CVS

[Csaba Halász]

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Cleber Santz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I check for include dir, and see that osg, simgear and flightgear headers
> are under /usr/local/include, so i make syslink for
> /usr/include/plib->/usr/local/include/plib. But it even fails.

Maybe you have old plib installed too? From distribution package, maybe?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Walking around

[Gijs de Rooy]

Hi, 
 
It's a very nice function and I would like to add it to the Follow Me car,
i'm working on. But to make it more real, is it possible to get a man walking?
So could we make an object that follows you when you're "walking" around
in the FG-world? 
 
It would be very nice for the Follow Me, because we could have a man out
of the car to let the aircraft stop at the right distance of the gate...

Gijs

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> Date: 
> Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:57:32 +0100> Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Walking 
> around> > > Am Montag, den 17.03.2008, 01:36 +0100 schrieb Georg Vollnhals:> 
> > Heiko Schulz schrieb:> > > But it seems to me, that I can't get under 
> objects-> > > even than they are not massiv. I can drive under> > > 
> Static-aircrafts, but not walk. > > >> > > But that's peanuts> > > Detlef- a 
> lot of thanks> > >> > > HHS> > >> > > > > But what is even better - you can 
> walk ON an object if it has a RAMP to> > the earth.> > > > I walked the whole 
> bridge, first driving on the ramp with the jeep, but> > then I walked from 
> the ramp onto the earth and back on the ramp and over> > the bridge:> > 
> http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/Walkaround/Walkaround02.jpg> > > > I 
> should be sleeping already but I had so much fun testing the> > walkaraound 
> ...> > > Glad you like it. Only falling off the bridge is not yet implemented 
> ...> > > Regards> > Georg> > > > > > > > 
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[Flightgear-devel] comprehensive preferences.xml manual

[Vikas N Kumar]

Hi

It seems that after spending time searching a lot on the wiki, mailing
lists, source code docs and the web, I have not found a detailed or
comprehensive account of the preferences.xml file, all at one place.

I understand that it takes time to write one. All I can find are very small
bits and pieces of how to edit the file for very specific requests.

Is there any documentation in the works for this ?

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Walking around

[Detlef Faber]

Am Montag, den 17.03.2008, 16:24 +0100 schrieb Gijs de Rooy:
> Hi, 
>  
> It's a very nice function and I would like to add it to the Follow Me
> car,
> i'm working on. But to make it more real, is it possible to get a man
> walking?
> So could we make an object that follows you when you're "walking"
> around
> in the FG-world? 
>  
This is a long term goal. I need to find a way to put, animate, move and
remove the Model in the FG World. This is work in progress.

> It would be very nice for the Follow Me, because we could have a man
> out
> of the car to let the aircraft stop at the right distance of the
> gate...
> 
Another use I didn't think of yet :-)

> Gijs
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
> > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:57:32 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Walking around
> > 
> > 
> > Am Montag, den 17.03.2008, 01:36 +0100 schrieb Georg Vollnhals:
> > > Heiko Schulz schrieb:
> > > > But it seems to me, that I can't get under objects-
> > > > even than they are not massiv. I can drive under
> > > > Static-aircrafts, but not walk. 
> > > >
> > > > But that's peanuts
> > > > Detlef- a lot of thanks
> > > >
> > > > HHS
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > But what is even better - you can walk ON an object if it has a
> RAMP to
> > > the earth.
> > > 
> > > I walked the whole bridge, first driving on the ramp with the
> jeep, but
> > > then I walked from the ramp onto the earth and back on the ramp
> and over
> > > the bridge:
> > > http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/Walkaround/Walkaround02.jpg
> > > 
> > > I should be sleeping already but I had so much fun testing the
> > > walkaraound ...
> > > 
> > Glad you like it. Only falling off the bridge is not yet
> implemented ...
> > 
> > > Regards
> > > Georg
> > > 
> > > 
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[Flightgear-devel] Matrox TripleHead2Go

[Curtis Olson]

Has anyone seen this little device?

http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/gxm/products/th2go/

It plugs into your standard video card, and looks like a 3x wide monitor.
Then you plug 3 monitors into it and tada ... a wrap around visual system.

I'm pretty confident that FlightGear could support this out of the box,
simply by drawing to the normal display and honoring the 3x wide monitor
resolution, however this will only look correct if you arrange your monitors
in a flat plane ... like a video wall.  If you arrange your monitors so they
face directly orthogonal towards your eyes (i.e. the outer monitors angled
in) to form a "wrap around" visual system, then this scheme won't look
right.

Would it be possible to draw 3 separate view perspectives into the 3 regions
of the screen (possibly with additional center offsets to compensate for the
frame between the displays.  That way we could setup a true wrap around
display system rather than a "video wall" style display system.

How close are we to making something like this work in our OSG version?

Regards,

Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Matrox TripleHead2Go

[Tim Moore]

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Curtis Olson wrote:
| Has anyone seen this little device?
|
| http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/gxm/products/th2go/
|
| It plugs into your standard video card, and looks like a 3x wide
| monitor.  Then you plug 3 monitors into it and tada ... a wrap around
| visual system.
|
| I'm pretty confident that FlightGear could support this out of the box,
| simply by drawing to the normal display and honoring the 3x wide monitor
| resolution, however this will only look correct if you arrange your
| monitors in a flat plane ... like a video wall.  If you arrange your
| monitors so they face directly orthogonal towards your eyes (i.e. the
| outer monitors angled in) to form a "wrap around" visual system, then
| this scheme won't look right.
|
| Would it be possible to draw 3 separate view perspectives into the 3
| regions of the screen (possibly with additional center offsets to
| compensate for the frame between the displays.  That way we could setup
| a true wrap around display system rather than a "video wall" style
| display system.
|
| How close are we to making something like this work in our OSG version?

Quite close. We already have the ability to render to slave cameras that are
offset from the main camera. Currently the offsets are assumed to be in
projection space, but OSG can handle offset viewing angles as well. The current
code in fg_os_osgviewer.cxx also assumes that the cameras will be set up on
different graphics contexts i.e. different windows, but that is not an OSG
requirement either; the OSG example osgcamera shows how to assign slave cameras
to different parts of a single window.

Tim
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Matrox TripleHead2Go

[Lukas Mesani]

Hi,
So, how can we have this done?

I got 4 monitors setup, and it will be realy usefull :)

cya


On Mon, 2008-03-17 at 23:05 +0100, Tim Moore wrote:
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> Curtis Olson wrote:
> | Has anyone seen this little device?
> |
> | http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/gxm/products/th2go/
> |
> | It plugs into your standard video card, and looks like a 3x wide
> | monitor.  Then you plug 3 monitors into it and tada ... a wrap around
> | visual system.
> |
> | I'm pretty confident that FlightGear could support this out of the box,
> | simply by drawing to the normal display and honoring the 3x wide monitor
> | resolution, however this will only look correct if you arrange your
> | monitors in a flat plane ... like a video wall.  If you arrange your
> | monitors so they face directly orthogonal towards your eyes (i.e. the
> | outer monitors angled in) to form a "wrap around" visual system, then
> | this scheme won't look right.
> |
> | Would it be possible to draw 3 separate view perspectives into the 3
> | regions of the screen (possibly with additional center offsets to
> | compensate for the frame between the displays.  That way we could setup
> | a true wrap around display system rather than a "video wall" style
> | display system.
> |
> | How close are we to making something like this work in our OSG version?
> 
> Quite close. We already have the ability to render to slave cameras that are
> offset from the main camera. Currently the offsets are assumed to be in
> projection space, but OSG can handle offset viewing angles as well. The 
> current
> code in fg_os_osgviewer.cxx also assumes that the cameras will be set up on
> different graphics contexts i.e. different windows, but that is not an OSG
> requirement either; the OSG example osgcamera shows how to assign slave 
> cameras
> to different parts of a single window.
> 
> Tim
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[Flightgear-devel] KSFO ATC background chatter and more

[Tobias Ramforth]

Hello everyone,

as already mentioned in a previous mail I am currently trying to extend 
the ATC background chatter files.
At the moment there only is a directory "UK" containing British chatter 
files.

I would like to have your opinions on the idea for the following change:

- change "UK" to "default"
	- add a directory for each ICAO region (e.g. "K" for USA, "E" for 
Europe etc.)
	- add the corresponding country codes (if any) as subdirectories 		to 
the above mentioned dirs
	- add a directory for each airport to either the region dir or the 
country dir (depends on which one applies)
	- add (as a first step) chatter files for each airport (if any) 			to 
the airport directory

(as a second step, add subdirs for ground, tower and
clearance...)
	- add "fallback" chatter files for regions/countries (in case there 
are no airport chatter files)

- use "UK" -> "default" as global fallback


Then in flightgear automatically select the best chatter directory by 
script, depending on the current airport-id. I am reading 
"/sim/presets/airport-id" triggered by a listener. If that is the wrong 
thing to do I would appreciate hints to the _right_ way of getting the 
airport-id for chatter.



I already have about 70 brand new KSFO ATC background chatter files to 
start with for the most popular airport in flightgear. If anyone is 
interested in these, please let me know.




Regards,

Tobias Ramforth
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] osgViewer patch for Mac OS X

[Tatsuhiro Nishioka]

Hi,

I uploaded a binary version of FlightGear-CVS/OSG for Mac with this patch. 
It's available from:
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=126825&package_id=212565

Known issue related to osgViewer at this moment are:
- it likely causes segmentation fault or Bus error, especially on quitting at 
splash screen
  (it sure does segmentation fault or Bus error with specifying --help option)
- mouse click sometimes doesn't work on GUI menu inside FlightGear main window. 
- Control-click doesn't work as a right click. 
  Use right click of USB mouse or enable "tap trackpad using two fingers for 
secondary click" from System Preferences.

Please try it and give me some feedbacks on this.

Best,

Tat

On Mar 14, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Tatsuhiro Nishioka wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I've investigate some problems on osgViewer for Mac OS X, most of which are 
> fixed now.
> Enclosed is a patch for GraphicsWindowCarbon. so please give it a try > Mac 
> users.
> I can say that Mac users can safely shift to osgViewer by this.
>
> I already sent this patch to an OSG/Mac developer, hoping it will be applied 
> soon.
>
> The problems solved by this patch are:
> 1) setCursor was not implemented;  now implemented for some cursor types
> 2) segfault/bus error on exit at MenubarController::detachWindow
> 3) Window was not activated by clicking on window content area.
>
> Binary package for FlightGear CVS/OSG for Mac OS X as of yesterday featuring 
> with this patch will be soon available from macflightgear website.
> # Currently I can't upload files to sourceforge due to heavy traffic.
>
> If you have any questions or problems, please let me know.
>
> Best,
>
> Tat
> 
>


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