Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8

2012-12-22 Thread Clement de l'Hamaide

 I have had no contact with them either by 
phone or otherwise.

http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com/t899p30-pour-une-meilleur-integration-des-travaux-de-la-paf-dans-flightgear#15971
In English the last line is  let me know when you're ready and I call him 

 
http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com/t899p45-pour-une-meilleur-integration-des-travaux-de-la-paf-dans-flightgear#16025
 
In English the second line is  I've just talked during a long time with 
Emmanuel (more than one hour !!!) 



 leaves IRC very quickly when I arrive

??? hmmm someone can explain me ? Emilian ? James ? Christian ? Gijs ? Jean ? 
David ? Anders ?  Have I left IRC because helijah was connected on IRC ?



 I never removed the header indicating the authors

Some example :
Original file created by PAF team : 
https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Dialogs/checklist/checklists-text.xml
File currently on GIT repo : 
http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Dialogs/checklist/checklists-text.xml;h=a60d0954b08d8a7e71a802c191e71c96a15f55e6;hb=HEAD

Original file created by PAF team : 
https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Models/Interior/Handle/handle.xml
File currently on GIT repo : 
http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Models/Interior/Handle/handle.xml;h=d9aa7be75d5a201ab32e384d4ab7c7587150cabf;hb=HEAD

Original file created by PAF team : 
https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Models/Interior/Panel/Parts/fuel-valve/fuel-valve.xml
File currently on GIT repo : 
http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Models/Interior/Panel/Parts/fuel-valve/fuel-valve.xml;h=d162e7bef1bda983df51f7949afbc3e244b129cc;hb=HEAD

Original file created by PAF team : 
https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Nasal/dr400.nas
File
 currently on GIT repo : 
http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Nasal/dr400.nas;h=c27fa190acac2ecbda8de3539a81fd57c0e30063;hb=HEAD

Original file created by PAF team : 
https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Nasal/electrical.nas
File currently on GIT repo : 
http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Nasal/electrical.nas;h=195a5ad1a6a31076ca8a0c66563a8b4687de6a30;hb=HEAD

Should I continue ?

In the 3 first examples this is missing :
!-- 

 # DR400-jsbSim by PAF team
 # April 2012 : Modified by PAF team
 # http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com

##--

In the 2 last examples the header copyright has been changed : the destinated 
project of my contribution is now DR400 and the forum URL of PAF team is 
removed from dr400.nas / replaced by my personal website URL ( ??? ) from 
electrical.nas 
Firstly my contribution was originaly written for the DR400-jsbSim project 
(Imagine that profightsim change the header of the file from This file is part 
of FlightGear by This file is part of proflightsim... here is exactly the 
same)
Secondly I don't understand why my personal website URL is in these files ! My 
personal life has nothing to do with these file. I use my website for personal 
and professional use and I've never wanted to see this URL in these files. 

Currently the GIT repo is not GPL compliant at all...
Now I leave you conclude and make what is necessary in order to stop all of 
these. 


Cheers,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] mismatching SimGear version 2.9.0 instead of 2.10.0

2012-12-22 Thread Alan Teeder


-Original Message- 
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Subject: [Flightgear-devel] mismatching SimGear version 2.9.0 instead of 
2.10.0

Hi,
can someone please help me fix this problem?

./download_and_compile.sh FGFS UPDATE

...

-- found SimGear version: 2.9.0 (needed 2.10.0)
CMake Error at CMakeModules/FindSimGear.cmake:112 (message):
  You have installed a mismatching SimGear version 2.9.0 instead of 2.10.0 
as
  required by FlightGear.  When using multiple SimGear installations, please
  use 'SIMGEAR_DIR' to select the SimGear library location to be used.
Call Stack (most recent call first):
  CMakeLists.txt:234 (find_package)


-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
make: *** [cmake_check_build_system] Error 1

Thanks
Martin M.

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First run Cmake on simgear and compile/install.
Then you can repeat this with flightgear.

The important part is the cmake with simgear, as this is the step which puts 
the new version number into the code.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] (JSBsim) body accelerations

2012-12-22 Thread Mathias Fröhlich

Hi,

On Wednesday, December 19, 2012 15:48:40 James Turner wrote:
 // accels, set that to zero for now.
  // Angular accelerations are missing from the interface anyway,
 // linear accelerations are screwed up at least for JSBSim.
  // motionInfo.linearAccel = SG_FEET_TO_METER*SGVec3f(ifce.get_U_dot_body(),
  ifce.get_V_dot_body(), ifce.get_W_dot_body());
 
 The JSBSim values aren't screwed up, I think, just including other
 non-inertial terms which YASim does not. Since it's the inertial
 accelerations I want to sense in the instruments, that's why I will tweak
 the JSBSim-FGFS interface and not YASim.
Well, to streamline the interfacing this might be a good idea.

For the motion onfo part, I can well think of removing the accelerations from 
the motion info. Over time, it turned out that the velocities are sufficient to 
transfer. I am currently not sure if the multiplayer code currently makes use 
of my latest thoughts about this kind of interpolations, but I would think 
that we can just remove the accelerations from fgfs internal multiplayer code. 
The multiplayer udp packet needs to stay as is. Just pack zeros there ...

Greetings

Mathias

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata Commit c8a69dffd49a298e01c0e0e1320f4a1d49a0bca4

2012-12-22 Thread Gijs de Rooy
Hangars are discussed in the wiki article actually ( 
http://wiki.flightgear.org/FlightGear_Git:_splitting_fgdata#Per-aircraft_project
 ) . That's why I pointed to it. Lots of ideas that show up on the mailinglist 
have been discussed in the past and the outcome of those discussions is 
mentioned at the wiki. First reading the wiki before sharing  your own (good) 
ideas or opinions saves everyone's time, not at the least yours ;-)

Your question about James' system is a good one. I'm interested in that too!

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] mismatching SimGear version 2.9.0 instead of2.10.0

2012-12-22 Thread mermar
Hi.

I did
./download_and_compile.sh SIMGEAR UPDATE
./download_and_compile.sh -u ALL
fgfs/install/fgfs/fgdata$ git remote update

And tried to run fgfs, but got another error.
$ ./run_fgfs.sh


Base package check failed:
  Version 2.9.0 found at: 
/media/mermar/9f01f77f-1876-42cc-9f40-3d048bcd3b3c/fgfs/install/fgfs/fgdata
  Version 2.10.0 is required.
Please upgrade/downgrade base package and set the path to your fgdata
with --fg-root=path_to_your_fgdata

Uff, why is switching to the new version so difficult?
Pleas, what to do now?
Martin M.

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 of2.10.0

-Original Message- 
From: mer...@centrum.cz
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2012 7:08 AM
To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Flightgear-devel] mismatching SimGear version 2.9.0 instead of 
2.10.0

Hi,
can someone please help me fix this problem?

./download_and_compile.sh FGFS UPDATE

...

-- found SimGear version: 2.9.0 (needed 2.10.0)
CMake Error at CMakeModules/FindSimGear.cmake:112 (message):
  You have installed a mismatching SimGear version 2.9.0 instead of 2.10.0 
as
  required by FlightGear.  When using multiple SimGear installations, please
  use 'SIMGEAR_DIR' to select the SimGear library location to be used.
Call Stack (most recent call first):
  CMakeLists.txt:234 (find_package)


-- Configuring incomplete, errors occurred!
make: *** [cmake_check_build_system] Error 1

Thanks
Martin M.

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Then you can repeat this with flightgear.

The important part is the cmake with simgear, as this is the step which puts 
the new version number into the code.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] mismatching SimGear version 2.9.0 instead of2.10.0

2012-12-22 Thread Olivier
Hi Martin,




 De : mer...@centrum.cz mer...@centrum.cz
Envoyé le : Samedi 22 décembre 2012 10h26

  Version 2.9.0 found at: 
/media/mermar/9f01f77f-1876-42cc-9f40-3d048bcd3b3c/fgfs/install/fgfs/fgdata
  Version 2.10.0 is required.
The file named version in your fgdata directory should contain 2.10.0, and it 
seems it contains 2.9.0. Looks like your fgdata is not updated, or that your 
configuration points to a old version file.
I just did a git pull on my side, and it did the trick.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata Commit c8a69dffd49a298e01c0e0e1320f4a1d49a0bca4

2012-12-22 Thread James Turner


On 22 Dec 2012, at 08:34, Gijs de Rooy gijsr...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hangars are discussed in the wiki article actually ( 
 http://wiki.flightgear.org/FlightGear_Git:_splitting_fgdata#Per-aircraft_project
  ) . That's why I pointed to it. Lots of ideas that show up on the 
 mailinglist have been discussed in the past and the outcome of those 
 discussions is mentioned at the wiki. First reading the wiki before sharing  
 your own (good) ideas or opinions saves everyone's time, not at the least 
 yours ;-)
 
 Your question about James' system is a good one. I'm interested in that too!

It's been on the back burner but now the NavCache is mostly stable, and Thomas 
is taking care of the replacement GUI work, I can return to it. Actually I made 
some odd progress - libSvn has become a problem to support on the Mac, so I 
extended the HTTP code to become a read-only WebDAV client. It already works 
(can download from terra sync repository) and it's faster to update, and uses 
less diskspace (since it can assume the local files are Unmodified). But the 
initial checkout is currently much slower than libSvn, which I need to fix. 

But, it will also work for aircraft! So any WebDav or SVN server can be an 
aircraft hangar, and update automatically. And we already support multiple 
aircraft dirs, so there is not much work, to combine everything, I hope. 

The metadata will then simply be the -set.xml files and thumbnail images, 
extracted into a single file at the root of each 'hangar' repository. 

BTW I will also upstate my wiki page with my post 2.10 plans since I agree it's 
useful to share. Personally I think the wiki is better for such data, 
especially if we can add a category for 'developer plans'. 

James

 
 Gijs
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] mismatching SimGear version 2.9.0 insteadof2.10.0

2012-12-22 Thread mermar
Hello.
Thanks, after git pulll in fgdata directory, I can run fgfs using ./run_fgfs.sh

But no matter what I do with View - Rendering Options (tried almost all 
combinations), I'v got wrong output. See screenshot 
http://postimage.org/image/7lgchpfs5/

The same output with two different graphic cards.
RV630 [Radeon HD 3600 Series]
Cape Verde PRO [Radeon HD 7700 Series]
The same output in current Git version and 2.6 version.

I'm running 64 bit Ubuntu 12.10 (with Gnome 3) and radeon driver.

Any hint how to get usefull output (as in version 2.4)?
Thanks Martin M.

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Hi Martin,




 De : mer...@centrum.cz mer...@centrum.cz
Envoyé le : Samedi 22 décembre 2012 10h26

  Version 2.9.0 found at: 
/media/mermar/9f01f77f-1876-42cc-9f40-3d048bcd3b3c/fgfs/install/fgfs/fgdata
  Version 2.10.0 is required.
The file named version in your fgdata directory should contain 2.10.0, and 
it seems it contains 2.9.0. Looks like your fgdata is not updated, or that 
your configuration points to a old version file.
I just did a git pull on my side, and it did the trick.

Olivier


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Iceland textures

2012-12-22 Thread Oliver Thurau
Sorry for the late  reply. I missed your answer, while i was traveling.
I habe no problem with editing code and help finding the ati bug, but it
will have to wait until i am back from family x-mas.
Oliver
Am 15.12.2012 08:53 schrieb Renk Thorsten thorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi:


  - no errors on the console
  - latest drivers for the ati card (tested with all ati drivers from 2012
  for win7 64bit)
  - the artifacts show up if the landmass shader is over 3 (counting from
  left / starting with 0)
  - the artefacts show up if the transition shader is over 1 / at 2 only
  the
  airport grass is showing the artefacts
  - the Atmospheric Scattering seems to work as far i can tell and shows no
  artefacts, water looks good too.
  - did not try change the shaders while using Atmospheric Scattering
  before
  the iceland commit, only used the default values.
 
  Hope that helps.

 Not really. Your card/driver doesn't like *something* of the procedural
 texturing although the shader compiles fine (you don't get the artefacts
 when you're running terrain-haze.vert/frag, you do get them whenever you
 run terrain-haze-detailed.vert/frag).

 It may be the overlay textures, it may be that the noise function
 generates values outside the [0..1] range by some weird numerical
 problem... Does it happen for all landclasses (for instance, agriculture
 doesn't have overlay textures or bump-mapping) - so in theory some
 landclasses would never see overlay texture or noise function issues. Does
 it depend on the values of the dust, snow, vegetation or wetness sliders in
 any way?

 Otherwise... if it doesn't throw an error, and if I can't reproduce it and
 we don't see any dependencies, I am a bit at a loss how to debug it. You
 could either see if there's any previous version which runs fine (in which
 case we can debug based on what has changed) or we can try to disable all
 procedural blocks, and then you have to uncomment them one by one and see
 when the problem occurs. Let me know if you're interested in the latter
 option (but it means you have to start editing around in the shader code
 yourself).

 * Thorsten

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata Commitc8a69dffd49a298e01c0e0e1320f4a1d49a0bca4

2012-12-22 Thread Alan Teeder


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 10:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata 
Commitc8a69dffd49a298e01c0e0e1320f4a1d49a0bca4

Am 21.12.12 11:49, schrieb Gijs de Rooy:
 Please see http://wiki.flightgear.org/FlightGear_Git:_splitting_fgdata
 and feel free to add thoughts/ideas there. A mailing list is not a good 
 place
 for documenting things.


 Cheers,
 Gijs


Hi Gijs

The problem is that a wiki is not a good place to discuss such things
because some people consult this list more frequently than a wiki page.
Anyway, when I read this wiki I fear such pages ends up sometimes as
cemetery of good ideas which started here and moved over to nowhere ...


I´m with Yves on that. The wiki is pretty much stagnant, and seems, to me, 
to be mainly the ideas of one person. It does not seem like a discussion.

There have been several threads on the forum from would be users who are 
unable to get a working copy of fgdata, which must mean that many mire have 
just given and gone away.

Anyway, here is my suggestion.

Firstly  populate fgdata with a bare minimum of aircraft . A starting point 
is those packed in the regular release.

Secondly include within flightgear/fgdata  a database of other aircraft. 
This database should be searchable by keyword(s). Fgrun and similar programs 
will also need access to this database.

Maintain the various aircraft in smaller repositories, no more than (say) 50 
in each. The allocation to each repo is unimportant as selection is done by 
the keywords. It may be more convenient to have one aircraft per repo, to 
avoid difficulties in extracting just one - this depends if SVN, CVS , GIT, 
HTML, or some combination is used.

Add new aircraft repos as the number of aircraft increases.

Keywords could be the obvious (military, civil, helicopter, training, 
transport, vintage, spaceship etc) but could also include fdm, status, 
author and rating.

This system is also adaptable to referring to non GPL private hangars.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8

2012-12-22 Thread geneb
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Clement de l'Hamaide wrote:


 I have had no contact with them either by
 phone or otherwise.

I don't know whether or not either party has a legitimate gripe.  What I 
DO know is that it doesn't have a damn thing to do with the purpose of 
this mailing list.

I would strongly request you take your drama to the forums.  It has no 
place here.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8

2012-12-22 Thread Gijs de Rooy
 I would strongly request you take your drama to the forums.  It has no 
 place here.

Better take the drame to your own forum...

This all just leads away from the issue raised by Emilian: the DR400 document 
that Emanuel uploaded contains a copyright notice that is not compatible with 
the GPL. The author of the document agreed to release it under the GPL (as can 
be read at the forum), but the current copyright notice in the document says 
otherwise.

So, either the document should be removed from Git, or its copyright notice 
should be modified so it corresponds to the GPL.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8

2012-12-22 Thread geneb
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Gijs de Rooy wrote:

 I would strongly request you take your drama to the forums.  It has no
 place here.

 Better take the drame to your own forum...

That makes no sense at all.  I'll write it off to a collision between your 
writing and my understanding. :)

 This all just leads away from the issue raised by Emilian: the DR400 
 document that Emanuel uploaded contains a copyright notice that is not 
 compatible with the GPL. The author of the document agreed to release it 
 under the GPL (as can be read at the forum), but the current copyright 
 notice in the document says otherwise.

Regardless, this crap doesn't belong on the developer list.  This is 
flightgear-devel, not 
flightgear-people-whine-about-file-header-changes.

g.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8

2012-12-22 Thread Gijs de Rooy
  Better take the drame to your own forum...
 
 That makes no sense at all.  I'll write it off to a collision between your 
 writing and my understanding. :)

With your forum I meant Emmanuel's forum. Didn't mean Gene's forum :-)
Sorry for being unclear.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8

2012-12-22 Thread geneb
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Gijs de Rooy wrote:

 Better take the drame to your own forum...

 That makes no sense at all.  I'll write it off to a collision between your
 writing and my understanding. :)

 With your forum I meant Emmanuel's forum. Didn't mean Gene's forum :-)
 Sorry for being unclear.

No problem.  Nothing like two people, separated by a common language. :)

g.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8

2012-12-22 Thread TDO Brandano

You mean you speak Dutch?  :)


 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 11:47:19 -0800
 From: ge...@deltasoft.com
 To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
 
 On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Gijs de Rooy wrote:
 
  Better take the drame to your own forum...
 
  That makes no sense at all.  I'll write it off to a collision between your
  writing and my understanding. :)
 
  With your forum I meant Emmanuel's forum. Didn't mean Gene's forum :-)
  Sorry for being unclear.
 
 No problem.  Nothing like two people, separated by a common language. :)
 
 g.
 
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[Flightgear-devel] Questions to MP Protocol

2012-12-22 Thread Wolfram Wagner
Dear  List,

I am looking for someone with whom I can discuss some detail questions
about FGs MP protocol.

I have written an application that communicates with running FG
instances. I can receive all messages, but sometimes my messages seem to
be lost. 

My understanding is this: Chat messages are sent inside the position
update packages. At first I have sent them only once, but now I send
them at least 10 times for at least 3 seconds. This code is there to
prevent UDP drops. But it did not help.

Is there a hidden bug in my sending logic or do I something completely
wrong?

Wolfram


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8

2012-12-22 Thread Vivian Meazza
Double, most of the time J

 

Vivian

 

From: TDO Brandano [mailto:tdo_brand...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 22 December 2012 20:51
To: Flightgear Devel List
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8

 

You mean you speak Dutch?  :)



 Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 11:47:19 -0800
 From: ge...@deltasoft.com
 To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
 
 On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Gijs de Rooy wrote:
 
  Better take the drame to your own forum...
 
  That makes no sense at all. I'll write it off to a collision between
your
  writing and my understanding. :)
 
  With your forum I meant Emmanuel's forum. Didn't mean Gene's forum
:-)
  Sorry for being unclear.
 
 No problem. Nothing like two people, separated by a common language. :)
 
 g.
 
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