Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 82, Issue 19
Le 27/02/2013 11:45, flightgear-devel-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net a écrit : -- Message: 15 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:42:19 + From: Renk Thorstenthorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi Subject: [Flightgear-devel] FG vs. FSX demo To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID:e495a106ff5f31448739e79d34138c192789b...@mbs2.ad.jyu.fi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 4) FDMs * I've tried the ultralight, the twin-prop Baron and the Learjet. As far as I could tell, they handled just the same, the only difference i noticed was the airspeed I could get out of them. It's just no comparison at all to our JSBSim beauties like the SenecaII or the P-51D where the FDM feels even the torque from spinning up the engine. The FSX experience reminded me of badly tuned YaSIm models - it sort of gets the rough characteristics right, but that's about all. How can you say such nonsense without anyone to react ? Obviously compare the worst YASim with the best JSBSim will always be beneficial for JSBSim. But the opposite will be benefit YASim. This is ridiculous. Dc 3, IAR80, F14 etc. ... This kind of remark has no place here, and especially not by you. FS X was released in 2006. What is really surprising is that a person like you never had the curiosity to test it before today. What is it then for X-Plane, Fly II Legacy and all the others ? And I am speaking not even of older sim. FS 1, FS II, FS 3, FS 4, FS 5, Gunship, Knight of the Sky, Reach The Sky of, A320, F15II, F29 Retaliator, Falcon, Falcon 4, IL 2, Flanker 2.0, Lock On, etc. .. . Finally all these simulators that have existed since 30 years ago. (for information, I almost everyone here. their box with their instructions etc ...). And then FX X is dead. It no longer exists. If you compare, do it with what exists. Xplane 10 (64 bit) or Prepar3D, this is the surviving of FS X (production of Lockheed Martin) Regards Emmanuel -- BARANGER Emmanuel http://helijah.free.fr http://embaranger.free.fr -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 82, Issue 19
On 02/27/2013 12:17 PM, BARANGER Emmanuel wrote: Le 27/02/2013 11:45, flightgear-devel-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net a écrit : -- Message: 15 Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 07:42:19 + From: Renk Thorstenthorsten.i.r...@jyu.fi Subject: [Flightgear-devel] FG vs. FSX demo To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Message-ID:e495a106ff5f31448739e79d34138c192789b...@mbs2.ad.jyu.fi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii 4) FDMs * I've tried the ultralight, the twin-prop Baron and the Learjet. As far as I could tell, they handled just the same, the only difference i noticed was the airspeed I could get out of them. It's just no comparison at all to our JSBSim beauties like the SenecaII or the P-51D where the FDM feels even the torque from spinning up the engine. The FSX experience reminded me of badly tuned YaSIm models - it sort of gets the rough characteristics right, but that's about all. How can you say such nonsense without anyone to react ? Obviously compare the worst YASim with the best JSBSim will always be beneficial for JSBSim. But the opposite will be benefit YASim. This is ridiculous. This was not a comparison between YASim and JSBSim, we all know both have their strengths and weaknesses. It was a comparison between a badly tuned YASim model and normal FSX behaviour. So even there YASim beats FSX when the YASim models is properly tuned. Erik -- http://www.adalin.com - Hardware accelerated AeonWave and OpenAL for Windows and Linux -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 82, Issue 19
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, BARANGER Emmanuel wrote: And then FX X is dead. It no longer exists. If you compare, do it with what exists. Xplane 10 (64 bit) or Prepar3D, this is the surviving of FS X (production of Lockheed Martin) While your diatribe makes ZERO sense to me, you're incorrect that FSX is dead. It's still being sold (you can buy brand new copies from Amazon, right now) and it's still heavily supported by the third-party developer community. The geneology(sp!) of FSX goes like this: ESP - FSX | - Prepar3D The Lockheed guys are doing some great work with Prepar3D. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 82, Issue 19
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013 06:14:12 -0800 (PST), geneb wrote in message alpine.lfd.2.03.1302270609420.21...@deltasoft.com: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, BARANGER Emmanuel wrote: And then FX X is dead. It no longer exists. If you compare, do it with what exists. Xplane 10 (64 bit) or Prepar3D, this is the surviving of FS X (production of Lockheed Martin) While your diatribe makes ZERO sense to me, you're incorrect that FSX is dead. ..I thought Microsoft end-lifed it? It's still being sold (you can buy brand new copies from Amazon, right now) and it's still heavily supported by the third-party developer community. ..yes, but not by Microsoft? The geneology(sp!) of FSX goes like this: ESP - FSX | - Prepar3D -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 82, Issue 19
On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, Arnt Karlsen wrote: And then FX X is dead. It no longer exists. If you compare, do it with what exists. Xplane 10 (64 bit) or Prepar3D, this is the surviving of FS X (production of Lockheed Martin) While your diatribe makes ZERO sense to me, you're incorrect that FSX is dead. ..I thought Microsoft end-lifed it? As far as I know, they're still distributing it. Games typically don't get an official EOL like other products do. They do still support it through their website although further development ceased when they closed the ACES studio and sold the ESP assets to Lockheed-Martin. It's still being sold (you can buy brand new copies from Amazon, right now) and it's still heavily supported by the third-party developer community. ..yes, but not by Microsoft? Yes, by Microsoft. Note that until you stop beginning every sentence with .., you're going in my killfile. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 82, Issue 19
On 27/02/13 15:33, geneb wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2013, Arnt Karlsen wrote: And then FX X is dead. It no longer exists. If you compare, do it with what exists. Xplane 10 (64 bit) or Prepar3D, this is the surviving of FS X (production of Lockheed Martin) While your diatribe makes ZERO sense to me, you're incorrect that FSX is dead. ..I thought Microsoft end-lifed it? As far as I know, they're still distributing it. Games typically don't get an official EOL like other products do. They do still support it through their website although further development ceased when they closed the ACES studio and sold the ESP assets to Lockheed-Martin. It's still being sold (you can buy brand new copies from Amazon, right now) and it's still heavily supported by the third-party developer community. ..yes, but not by Microsoft? Yes, by Microsoft. Note that until you stop beginning every sentence with .., you're going in my killfile. g. Well said G. While I appreciate Arnt's contributions, I too find his double-dot convention infuriating and almost unreadable. Alasdair -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_feb ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
