Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Wiki theme
Hi Gijs, On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: >> Gijs de Rooy wrote: >> I would be glad to translate a couple of pages into Dutch for a test. > Please take a look at the Main Page for an example making use of the third > option > offered by Simon. Comments are welcome ofcourse. > http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Main_Page > > Regards, > Gijs Looks good! The wiki is now up to date (1.15.1) and the database is UTF-8. If anyone notices any garbled characters left over or database errors let me know and I'll take a look at it. Simon -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Wiki theme
> Gijs de Rooy wrote: > I would be glad to translate a couple of pages into Dutch for a test. Please take a look at the Main Page for an example making use of the third option offered by Simon. Comments are welcome ofcourse. http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Main_Page Regards, Gijs _ Nieuws, entertainment en de laatste roddels. Je vind het op MSN.nl! http://nl.msn.com/-- Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Wiki theme (was: Hi)
Hi Simon > I've been testing the latest MediaWiki code and have had troubles with > the fratman style, so Monobook may become the default if I can get a > suitable corner logo done. Either way, it's always an optional > preference to use Monobook. Personally this is good news to me... > As far as I see it, there's currently three solutions to this problem : > 1. Handle it Wikipedia style : one server or virtual server per > language (separate logins; separate templates; separate media unless > we have a media commons) where we use inter-wiki links to match up the > translations of pages. Seperate serves don't attract me. Yet another login won't improve the amount of edits that we like to see. > 2. Use (and possibly maintain) one or more of the plugins (Polyglot, > multilang, etc..) that hacks Mediawiki into handling multiple > languages. We did have a look at multilang and find it didn't fit our needs if I remember well. > 3. Use sub-pages (e.g. http://wiki.flightgear.org/Main_Page/nl) and > have a language template bar like http://mediawiki.org uses. The most easy way to achieve multi languages. I think we can go with this approach. However, we have to find another format for articles with titles like http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Property_Tree/Sockets I would be glad to translate a couple of pages into Dutch for a test. Regards, Gijs _ De grappigste filmpjes vind je op MSN Video! http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=nl-nl-- Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Wiki theme (was: Hi)
Hey Gijs and all, I've contacted Peter off-list regarding the wiki style. On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Gijs de Rooy wrote: > Wiki styles > Our wiki supports a couple of styles, including Monobook (used by Wikipedia, > and default > included in every mediawiki package) and fratman_enhanced (default on our > wiki, it's the > one with the blue/white A-10 logo). You probably want the fratman style? > Personally I don't like that template at all (altough the logo is quite > nice), so I use the > Monobook one which is much easier in use (atleast when writing articles). > But you have > to decide for yourself, or give your users the option to choose. I've been testing the latest MediaWiki code and have had troubles with the fratman style, so Monobook may become the default if I can get a suitable corner logo done. Either way, it's always an optional preference to use Monobook. > Multi language > Your plan to put up a Polish wiki brought a discussion in mind that I and > Simon had a while > ago. We planned to provide the wiki in multiple languages (like you see on > wikipedia), but > the fact that our wiki is running on just one server gave some technical > problems according > to Simon. Maybey this is the time to take another look at the possibilities. > The last part of my email is kinda off-topic to Peters subject, but it might > be good to see whether we > can merge multiple languaged wikis before starting new ones. > Gijs As far as I see it, there's currently three solutions to this problem : 1. Handle it Wikipedia style : one server or virtual server per language (separate logins; separate templates; separate media unless we have a media commons) where we use inter-wiki links to match up the translations of pages. 2. Use (and possibly maintain) one or more of the plugins (Polyglot, multilang, etc..) that hacks Mediawiki into handling multiple languages. 3. Use sub-pages (e.g. http://wiki.flightgear.org/Main_Page/nl) and have a language template bar like http://mediawiki.org uses. I think using sub-pages and having a similar procedure to the mediawiki.org site is probably the best way to approach this. We can also incorporate inter-wiki links for any other established flightgear wikis. BTW, the recent error with the wiki was due to the fact that the database is latin1 and not utf-8. I'll go ahead and convert the database to utf-8 so we can start testing out sub-pages and language templates. Simon -- Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Wiki theme (was: Hi)
Hi Peter (and Torsten), I am not the owner of the wiki (altough I do understand it might look so sometimes :p). I do have some right (eg. deleting pages), but I have no acces to the database nor to the wiki configurations. For that you have to contact the owner, which is Simon Hollier. He reads this list as well, so I'm pretty sure he will show up ;) Wiki styles Our wiki supports a couple of styles, including Monobook (used by Wikipedia, and default included in every mediawiki package) and fratman_enhanced (default on our wiki, it's the one with the blue/white A-10 logo). You probably want the fratman style? Personally I don't like that template at all (altough the logo is quite nice), so I use the Monobook one which is much easier in use (atleast when writing articles). But you have to decide for yourself, or give your users the option to choose. Multi language Your plan to put up a Polish wiki brought a discussion in mind that I and Simon had a while ago. We planned to provide the wiki in multiple languages (like you see on wikipedia), but the fact that our wiki is running on just one server gave some technical problems according to Simon. Maybey this is the time to take another look at the possibilities. I still think a multi- language wiki would enormously improve our user-friendliness and attract more serious simmers from various countries. We have enough language knowledge in our community to write decent articles in a couple of languages beside English: German, Dutch, Polish, Russian, French, Spanish/Portuguese to name a few. Ofcourse it will take a long time to translate all of the articles into these languages, but just translating the most important ones (like flying the helicopter, installing scenery) will give our users a "hey, those people really care about their users and do their best to help me" feeling... The last part of my email is kinda off-topic to Peters subject, but it might be good to see whether we can merge multiple languaged wikis before starting new ones. Regards, Gijs > From: tors...@t3r.de > To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 19:24:12 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Hi > > > Hi I'm working on Polish version of FG Wiki and I would like to make it > > lokos like the English wiki. So here comes my question. Where I can get > > Wiki theme used in wiki.flightgear.org? and is it ok if I use it? > > Thanks. Peter > Dzine dobry Peter, > > Gijs is the wikimaster. I don't know if he monitors the devel list, but you > have a good chance to catch him at the forum > http://www.flightgear.org/forums > If you post your question there and ask for Gijs, i am sure he will show up. > > Torsten > > -- > Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA > is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your > developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay > ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf > ___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Haal meer uit je leven met Windows Live http://www.microsoft.com/netherlands/windowslive/Views/index.aspx-- Come build with us! The BlackBerry® Developer Conference in SF, CA is the only developer event you need to attend this year. Jumpstart your developing skills, take BlackBerry mobile applications to market and stay ahead of the curve. Join us from November 9-12, 2009. Register now! http://p.sf.net/sfu/devconf___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear wiki logo
Jon S. Berndt wrote: > Just thought I'd mention that the I agree that the wiki logo is really nice. > As the creator of the current logo on the flightgear web page (a lng > time ago) I'd say it's time for a change. > > > > Jon > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis > Olson > Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:04 PM > To: FlightGear developers discussions > Subject: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear wiki logo > > > > I just noticed the flightgear wiki has a pretty slick logo. It might be fun > to update the main flightgear web site with the same logo. I'm asking here > to see if the wiki logo author is ok with me using this logo for the main > flightgear page as well? > > Thanks, > > Curt. Well, the old logo will live on in the icon set. They are shamelessly ripped from the flightgear.org banner. At least the big blue "F" is. And I agree that the wiki logo is very sharp looking. I also like the idea of substituting various aircraft and having the letters, grey ribbon and clouds be what holds them all together. Josh - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear wiki logo
Just thought I'd mention that the I agree that the wiki logo is really nice. As the creator of the current logo on the flightgear web page (a lng time ago) I'd say it's time for a change. Jon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Curtis Olson Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2008 12:04 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear wiki logo I just noticed the flightgear wiki has a pretty slick logo. It might be fun to update the main flightgear web site with the same logo. I'm asking here to see if the wiki logo author is ok with me using this logo for the main flightgear page as well? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear wiki logo
Hi Pigeon, >I was saying the same thing on irc a while ago. It is a pretty cool > logo. I'm wondering if it is ok to give us the (high res) source of it? > It might be cool if we could use the same text and replacing it with > different aircraft to suit different people's tastes. Might be useful > for making t-shirts too ;) Assuming that's ok with the author of course. > Maybe put it under the CC license or something. Good idea - I created a page on the wiki as a repository for any FlightGear logos : http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Logos I uploaded an illustrator pdf and the png and Wes agreed to the CC - Attribution Share Alike license. We'll probably make (me = screenshot grabber) some versions with some civilian aircraft and maybe some additional logos and I'll post them there. Simon - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear wiki logo
> > I just noticed the flightgear wiki has a pretty slick logo. It might be fun > > to update the main flightgear web site with the same logo. I'm asking here > > to see if the wiki logo author is ok with me using this logo for the main > > flightgear page as well? > > That was done by a friend of mine, Wes Summers, who is a graphic > designer. He's fine with any usage, he just asks that credit be given > somewhere. I was saying the same thing on irc a while ago. It is a pretty cool logo. I'm wondering if it is ok to give us the (high res) source of it? It might be cool if we could use the same text and replacing it with different aircraft to suit different people's tastes. Might be useful for making t-shirts too ;) Assuming that's ok with the author of course. Maybe put it under the CC license or something. Pigeon. - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear wiki logo
> Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 17:19:27 +> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: > flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] > flightgear wiki logo>> So much as I know it was Gijs de Rooy, but I don't > know if he read this here. But you will find him the forum!No, it wasn't me > as Simon already said. The logo is great, but honestly I don't really like > the wiki style. I use the Monobook template (like Wikipedia). The logo could > be implented in the Monobook style to though. We betterhave one style for > the website, forum and wiki. This will increase our recognisation for new > (and old) users. I would like to help. I have some experience with websites > and wiki's. Let me know,Gijs _ Speel de nieuwste Messenger game! http://www.waarhebjijhetgedaan.nl/linklaunch/- Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear wiki logo
Hey Curt, On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Curtis Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just noticed the flightgear wiki has a pretty slick logo. It might be fun > to update the main flightgear web site with the same logo. I'm asking here > to see if the wiki logo author is ok with me using this logo for the main > flightgear page as well? That was done by a friend of mine, Wes Summers, who is a graphic designer. He's fine with any usage, he just asks that credit be given somewhere. Simon - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear wiki logo
Hi, So much as I know it was Gijs de Rooy, but I don't know if he read this here. But you will find him the forum! Indeed that's much better than the current logo, which looks pretty old. Thanks to Gijs! If we change the logo- can we change the design of the official page of FlightGear too? About 3/4 of the page is advertisement- it looks like these sites where you land when the searched site is gone... Really unprofessional and cheap for a such great project like Flightgear! It seems to me, reagarding the requests in the forum, that the whole page is really confusing. Any hope that it will get better? Regards HHS still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html --- Curtis Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb am Mi, 9.7.2008: > Von: Curtis Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Betreff: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear wiki logo > An: "FlightGear developers discussions" > > Datum: Mittwoch, 9. Juli 2008, 19:03 > I just noticed the flightgear wiki has a pretty slick logo. > It might be fun > to update the main flightgear web site with the same logo. > I'm asking here > to see if the wiki logo author is ok with me using this > logo for the main > flightgear page as well? > > Thanks, > > Curt. > -- > Curtis Olson: > http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/- > Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE > NOW! > Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open > source project, > along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for > chronic lameness > and boredom. Vote Now at > http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08___ > Flightgear-devel mailing list > Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel __ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail. Dem pfiffigeren Posteingang. http://de.overview.mail.yahoo.com - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] flightgear wiki logo
I just noticed the flightgear wiki has a pretty slick logo. It might be fun to update the main flightgear web site with the same logo. I'm asking here to see if the wiki logo author is ok with me using this logo for the main flightgear page as well? Thanks, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ - Sponsored by: SourceForge.net Community Choice Awards: VOTE NOW! Studies have shown that voting for your favorite open source project, along with a healthy diet, reduces your potential for chronic lameness and boredom. Vote Now at http://www.sourceforge.net/community/cca08___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Flightgear Wiki page updated
Hi All, I have edited the Installing_Scenery page in the wiki by fleshing out the TODOs a little more. http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=Installing_Scenery If someone could do something for fgadmin, that would remove the last TODO on that page :-) What's the next page to clean up? What about MILSTD's "little" edits. :-P Regards George - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear Wiki - Interpolation tables
Hi all I have submitted some documentation based on my experiences to the wiki. Simon...not sure it's in the right place ..could you have a look at it and copy and paste with appropriate headings if you think appropriate...delete altogether if you think contribution is inappropriate the link is http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=AI_Systems#AI_Models hopefully will have something on AI.xml fies in general soon. regards :-D ene Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
On Fri, 26 May 2006 13:57:30 -0400 simon wrote: > > Good thoughts - I agree one wiki will do, I'm just trying to make the > case for a better wiki than the current one. > Judging from the lack of response, I'm guessing there aren't many > strong (any at all) opinions on the matter and this idea may just fall > through the cracks. Another possibility is that it's a holiday weekend in the U.S., that people are busy, etc. It's often the case that it takes active contributors more than just a couple of days to respond to something. > Does anyone see advantages to the current seedwiki site that I'm > overlooking? I see no advantages per se to Seedwiki -- I think its editing interface is pretty awful, and my attempts to speak with the people who run it over issues I've found there haven't been very useful. That said, if the project simply declares "the wiki is now somewhere else, at ___," that seems pretty hard on the people that *have* been taking the time to make the contributions. Giving them a chance to speak their mind might not be a bad idea. It might also be worth getting their input on moving the stuff over. (I've just noticed this thread, and it appears some of my stuff got mucked up in the move). -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove "snip-me." to email) "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
Hmmm. In much of the stuff that I've written and contributed to the Seedwiki wiki, the links embedded in the text did not survive the port to this new wiki. -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove "snip-me." to email) "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Martin Spott a écrit : "Curtis L. Olson" wrote: I have no strong opinions on where we host the wiki. If there is a general consensus here, I can add wiki.flightgear.org to point to [tell me the IP #] and update the link on the FG documentation page. I'm voting for making the new Wiki the 'official' one, Me too, but would it be possible to make ( read only ) mirrors or remote backups to secure the perenniality ? wiki.flightgear.org is now registered and should be alive. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
On Sun, 28 May 2006 13:26:43 +0200, Frederic wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Martin Spott a �crit : > > "Curtis L. Olson" wrote: > > > >> I have no strong opinions on where we host the wiki. If there is a > > > general consensus here, I can add wiki.flightgear.org to point to > > > [tell > >> me the IP #] and update the link on the FG documentation page. > >> > > > > I'm voting for making the new Wiki the 'official' one, > > > > Me too, but would it be possible to make ( read only ) mirrors or > remote backups to secure the perenniality ? ..I can host one of these backups, means I'll have access to FGW even when I'm shot offline, (usually happens an hour or so every day, anywhere at random between 1700 thru 2200 UTC). I have a partial Debian mirror, I plan to expand to all archs, plus fgscenery and a few other things, just to see how long my final SATA 300GB Maxtor lasts. This means we need at least one other mirror volonteer. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
Martin Spott a écrit : > "Curtis L. Olson" wrote: > >> I have no strong opinions on where we host the wiki. If there is a >> general consensus here, I can add wiki.flightgear.org to point to [tell >> me the IP #] and update the link on the FG documentation page. >> > > I'm voting for making the new Wiki the 'official' one, > Me too, but would it be possible to make ( read only ) mirrors or remote backups to secure the perenniality ? -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid7521&bid$8729&dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
"Curtis L. Olson" wrote: > I have no strong opinions on where we host the wiki. If there is a > general consensus here, I can add wiki.flightgear.org to point to [tell > me the IP #] and update the link on the FG documentation page. I'm voting for making the new Wiki the 'official' one, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
I have no strong opinions on where we host the wiki. If there is a general consensus here, I can add wiki.flightgear.org to point to [tell me the IP #] and update the link on the FG documentation page. Curt. Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: On Friday 26 May 2006 13:57, simon wrote: Judging from the lack of response, I'm guessing there aren't many strong (any at all) opinions on the matter and this idea may just fall through the cracks. No. I like it very much. It is much better and more sane than the current one that we are using. :) I very much hope that this is added to the flightgear website; wiki.flightgear.org is logical and easy to remember whereas currently I (despite having added quite a bit of stuff over a fair period of time) have to dig around on the FG website to find the link to the wiki every time. Good work; the wiki concept is useful and your particular implemetation is clean. All we need is for wiki.flightgear.org to point to it and we'll finally be able to point enquirers there without three minutes of digging first :-) Cheers, AJ Well said! Ampere --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
On Friday 26 May 2006 13:57, simon wrote: > Judging from the lack of response, I'm guessing there aren't many strong > (any at all) opinions on the matter and this idea may just fall through > the cracks. No. I like it very much. It is much better and more sane than the current one that we are using. :) > I very much hope that this is added to the flightgear website; > wiki.flightgear.org is logical and easy to remember whereas currently I > (despite having added quite a bit of stuff over a fair period of time) have > to dig around on the FG website to find the link to the wiki every time. > > Good work; the wiki concept is useful and your particular implemetation is > clean. All we need is for wiki.flightgear.org to point to it and we'll > finally be able to point enquirers there without three minutes of digging > first :-) > > Cheers, > > AJ Well said! Ampere --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
> Frederic Bouvier wrote: > > Seedwiki has a near wysiwyg way to edit pages, but the display is > > restrained in a narrow strip. I find mediawiki ( or at least your > > implementation ) easier to read and certainly to design pages because it > > offers the whole screen to edit. I agree that this wiki is slightly easier to navigate around than the exisiting one. On Saturday 27 May 2006 19:34, simon wrote: > I can't add the pointer because I don't own the flightgear.org domain. > However, I have added the required vhost and pointer domain to make it > work. I very much hope that this is added to the flightgear website; wiki.flightgear.org is logical and easy to remember whereas currently I (despite having added quite a bit of stuff over a fair period of time) have to dig around on the FG website to find the link to the wiki every time. Good work; the wiki concept is useful and your particular implemetation is clean. All we need is for wiki.flightgear.org to point to it and we'll finally be able to point enquirers there without three minutes of digging first :-) Cheers, AJ --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
Hi Simon, very professional work, really an invitation to look around! I hope that your improvement of the wiki will be accepted. All the best Georg "HeliFlyer" EDDW --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
Hi Fred, Frederic Bouvier wrote: > > > Seedwiki is an offered service and the FlightGear page was first setup > by David M. as an easy way to gather additional documentation without > the need of a maintainer. > > Seedwiki has a near wysiwyg way to edit pages, but the display is > restrained in a narrow strip. I find mediawiki ( or at least your > implementation ) easier to read and certainly to design pages because it > offers the whole screen to edit. > > I am just worried I can't find the pages I wrote : > http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/flightgear_scenery_designer.cfm > http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/flightgear_launch_control > > and their descendant. > They were on my todo : Getting Started -> Recommended Software : http://hellosimon.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=FlightGear_Launch_Control http://hellosimon.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=FlightGear_Scenery_Designer > Now, few questions : > Is it a complete port ? > Almost, I'm going through all the pages to find anything I missed. > Are you planning to maintain the coherency between the two during the > transition ? Yes, I have been for quite a while. > Where is it hosted ? What is the perenniality of this hosting ? It's hosted at Powweb.com indefinitely, but database backups will be made available, just in case :). > BTW: wiki.flightgear.org doesn't work for me. > > -Fred I can't add the pointer because I don't own the flightgear.org domain. However, I have added the required vhost and pointer domain to make it work. Thanks for the response, Simon --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid7521&bid$8729&dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
Erik Hofman wrote: > Martin Spott wrote: >> simon wrote: >> >>> Does anyone know who is the maintainer of the current wiki? >> >> I once tried to get into contact with him but didn't succeed in finding >> any imprint on these pages :-( > > Eh, A Wiki is by nature community based, so there is no owner... I'm not thinking of an 'owner', but even a Wiki should at least have someone who cares a bit, a 'maintainer', Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
simon wrote : > Martin Spott wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> >>> Thoughts / comments ? >>> >> >> I don't want to discourage you, FlightGear needs every helping hand. >> BUT it might be a bit counterproductive if everyone creates their own >> FlightGear wiki. Before starting a new one you probably should have >> contacted the maintainer of the other wiki to discuss how to proceed >> (or are you actually the maintainer of the other wiki ?). >> >> I thought the idea behind a wiki is to avoid spreading information over >> dozends of sites by enabling everyone to contribute to _one_ wiki that >> covers a certain topic. The whole idea is being foiled if numerous >> wikies are being run in order to 'serve' FlightGear users. >> >> Regards, >> Martin. >> > Good thoughts - I agree one wiki will do, I'm just trying to make the > case for a better wiki than the current one. Judging from the lack of > response, I'm guessing there aren't many strong (any at all) opinions > on the matter and this idea may just fall through the cracks. > > Does anyone see advantages to the current seedwiki site that I'm > overlooking? Does anyone know who is the maintainer of the current wiki? Seedwiki is an offered service and the FlightGear page was first setup by David M. as an easy way to gather additional documentation without the need of a maintainer. Seedwiki has a near wysiwyg way to edit pages, but the display is restrained in a narrow strip. I find mediawiki ( or at least your implementation ) easier to read and certainly to design pages because it offers the whole screen to edit. I am just worried I can't find the pages I wrote : http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/flightgear_scenery_designer.cfm http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/flightgear_launch_control and their descendant. Now, few questions : Is it a complete port ? Are you planning to maintain the coherency between the two during the transition ? Where is it hosted ? What is the perenniality of this hosting ? BTW: wiki.flightgear.org doesn't work for me. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid7521&bid$8729&dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
Martin Spott wrote: simon wrote: Does anyone know who is the maintainer of the current wiki? I once tried to get into contact with him but didn't succeed in finding any imprint on these pages :-( Eh, A Wiki is by nature community based, so there is no owner... I added a few entries, which in return got changed heavily during the various processes, just the way it should be. Erik -- http://www.ehtw.info (Dutch)Future of Enschede Airport Twente http://www.ehofman.com/fgfs FlightGear Flight Simulator --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
simon wrote: > Does anyone know who is the maintainer of the current wiki? I once tried to get into contact with him but didn't succeed in finding any imprint on these pages :-( Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
Martin Spott wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thoughts / comments ? I don't want to discourage you, FlightGear needs every helping hand. BUT it might be a bit counterproductive if everyone creates their own FlightGear wiki. Before starting a new one you probably should have contacted the maintainer of the other wiki to discuss how to proceed (or are you actually the maintainer of the other wiki ?). I thought the idea behind a wiki is to avoid spreading information over dozends of sites by enabling everyone to contribute to _one_ wiki that covers a certain topic. The whole idea is being foiled if numerous wikies are being run in order to 'serve' FlightGear users. Regards, Martin. Good thoughts - I agree one wiki will do, I'm just trying to make the case for a better wiki than the current one. Judging from the lack of response, I'm guessing there aren't many strong (any at all) opinions on the matter and this idea may just fall through the cracks. Does anyone see advantages to the current seedwiki site that I'm overlooking? Does anyone know who is the maintainer of the current wiki? Simon --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thoughts / comments ? I don't want to discourage you, FlightGear needs every helping hand. BUT it might be a bit counterproductive if everyone creates their own FlightGear wiki. Before starting a new one you probably should have contacted the maintainer of the other wiki to discuss how to proceed (or are you actually the maintainer of the other wiki ?). I thought the idea behind a wiki is to avoid spreading information over dozends of sites by enabling everyone to contribute to _one_ wiki that covers a certain topic. The whole idea is being foiled if numerous wikies are being run in order to 'serve' FlightGear users. Regards, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=107521&bid=248729&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
Hello, I've imported and reorganized the seedwiki documentation and setup a mediawiki site for flightgear : http://hellosimon.org/flightgear_wiki My goal is to make the wiki documentation more useful and hopefully a bigger part of flightgear than it now serves. The seedwiki flightgear site is ugly, disorganized, has terrible version control, and I didn't have much luck attempting a backup for import - I basically did it manually. In other words, it doesn't make me want to contribute to it and it doesn't look like many others do either. I haven't completely finished the importing, but most everything is there and I will add the remaining odds and ends over the weekend. I'm willing to host, maintain the site, provide database backups, and script any good ideas or improvements. I also have a vhost entry for wiki.flightgear.org... Thoughts / comments ? Simon --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid7521&bid$8729&dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
