Re: [Flightgear-devel] improved HSI ADF(RMI) : double-shafted needle
I think it's great that you're using git and and hope that we can reconcile pigeon's split SimGear / FlightGear git repo, which is a bit of a pain but updated automatically from CVS, with your more unified setup. I could try merging my two repos into one. What I'm not sure is what will happen to those tags. It could be funny exercise to find out :) Pigeon. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] improved HSI ADF(RMI) : double-shafted needle
I could try merging my two repos into one. And speaking of which, I was also just told there's a comparatively new submodule in git that we could try out... http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-submodule.html Sorry for stealing FG threads to become a git thread again :) Pigeon. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] improved HSI ADF(RMI) : double-shafted needle
Hi, The FG HSI instrument now has a double-shafted ADF(RMI) needle, as shown here: http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/RMI.jpg which is more nearly like a real-world HSI/ADF(RMI). interesting. Is this modeled after a real instrument? I have never seen a HSI containing a ADF indicator, just plain HSI for the VOR/ILS indicator (like KI525) and on the other hand the RMI with a VOR and ADF needle (like KI228). Torsten - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] improved HSI ADF(RMI) : double-shafted needle
On 07/08/2007 07:48 AM, Torsten Dreyer wrote: The FG HSI instrument now has a double-shafted ADF(RMI) needle, as shown here: http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/RMI.jpg which is more nearly like a real-world HSI/ADF(RMI). interesting. :-) Is this modeled after a real instrument? Good question. I have no idea. The two-needle hsi.xml was already part of FG when I came aboard, already installed in the generic instrument setup, and used in dozens of aircraft models. In this case, as for most things in Aircraft/Instruments/*.xml, I couldn't find any documentation to indicate what the thing is modeled after. I see four different hsi*.xml files; I don't know what is the relationship between them. I have never seen a HSI containing a ADF indicator, just plain HSI for the VOR/ILS indicator (like KI525) and on the other hand the RMI with a VOR and ADF needle (like KI228). Several responses: 1) I didn't have a real instrument in mind; I was just making the minimal fix to the existing hsi.xml. I acted on the observation that having two very similar needles was pilot error waiting to happen. Something needed to be done. 2) An argument could be made for removing this RMI needle, but that is not a step to be taken lightly, since it would require nontrivial compensatory changes in dozens of aircraft panels. 3) FWIW S-Tec is selling a *three*-needle eHSI (one CDI plus optionally two RMI needles). http://www.s-tec.com/newsletters/approach0401/55xflying.html 4) I hear rumors that MS FS2k has a two-needle HSI, but I don't know for sure. I have no experience with FS2k ... and IMHO FGFS should be modeling real life (to the extent possible), not modeling MS. 5) The double-shafted arrow glyph will come in handy if/when somebody decides to make a KI229 or the like. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] improved HSI ADF(RMI) : double-shafted needle
Hi -- This pertains to the HSI instrument as used in the c182, c182rg, and many other GA aircraft models. The FG HSI instrument now has a double-shafted ADF(RMI) needle, as shown here: http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/RMI.jpg which is more nearly like a real-world HSI/ADF(RMI). In contrast, heretofore on the model HSI, the tip of the ADF (RMI) needle looked a whole lot like the tip of the VOR needle. This made it much too easy for the pilot to follow the wrong needle. This may seem like a small thing, but if you're trying to simulate real IFR flying, small things like this can make a big difference. This change affects the following files: Aircraft/Instruments/Textures/hsi.rgb Aircraft/Instruments/hsi.xml This has been committed to the _Sport Model_. For a list of the main features of the _Sport Model_, see http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/README.sport.model For details on how to download the _Sport Model_, see http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/git-overview - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] improved HSI ADF(RMI) : double-shafted needle
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Denker wrote: Hi -- This pertains to the HSI instrument as used in the c182, c182rg, and many other GA aircraft models. ... This has been committed to the _Sport Model_. For a list of the main features of the _Sport Model_, see http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/README.sport.model For details on how to download the _Sport Model_, see http://www.av8n.com/fly/fgfs/git-overview I think it's great that you're using git and and hope that we can reconcile pigeon's split SimGear / FlightGear git repo, which is a bit of a pain but updated automatically from CVS, with your more unified setup. In the long term I hope the FlightGear project will adopt git as a replacement for CVS. However, for now I think it would be best to include the diffs from your patches in these emails rather than pointing folks to your git repo. That will increase the chances of developers -- who might not yet be so keen on git -- looking at the patches and committing them, and give those of us who are using git too the option of applying your patches directly instead of fetching your sport model branch. Tim -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGkAndeDhWHdXrDRURAnS+AKCRrHkLvMGvYH+HVJcPLV2o569l6ACgpiD8 gsRVJL8sO0RlzVkDoDy31iM= =irKC -END PGP SIGNATURE- - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
