Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
I fixed the issue of the rotation of the radar screen (I transform now only the groundnet, but for the MP user radar returns, I set /instrumentation/radar/display-controls/rotate to true, and set the local user's orientation to the magnetic variation. Works like a charm!). I also shortened the LOC guideline texture so it only reaches the outer ring -- however, if the user offsets it to the max AND rotates it to a westerly heading, it can still extend slightly off the radar screen onto the data panel or exterior window area. If there is a more elegant solution to that (admittedly minor) issue, I welcome it. I still need some guidance on the problem of the wind-from heading. I am pulling /environment/wind-from-heading-deg and factoring in /environment/magnetic-variation-deg (and I remembered to account for wrapping around the 360-degree mark), and writing that back to a property I am calling /sim/atc/wind-from-display, which is the one used in the instrumentation xml file which puts it on the screen. No problem. The issue here is WHERE in the Nasal script (atc.nas) do I do this so that I can be sure that the displayed, magnetic wind heading is updated along with the raw /environment/wind-from-heading-deg? I mean, I could have it update once per frame, but that's a little silly, and besides I'm not sure how Nasal works in that I'm not sure where I'd put it even if that was what I wanted to happen. I see a bunch of initial parameters and then a bunch of function declarations but I don't see where this update would go or where it'd be called from. Should it go in a separate Nasal file? A little guidance on that would be great. Thanks, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: syd adams adams@gmail.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 5:17:23 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request... It's looking good so far ... I haven't tested it yet myself , but if the guidelines are a separate texture , you can have them clipped my making the instrument the same dimensions as the radar screen ... cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu - Forwarded Message From: Rob Shearman, Jr. rmsj...@yahoo.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 4:00:05 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request... I think you're referring to a ground-controlled approach or GCA. However, this is not what I'm referring to -- I'm simply talking about approach controllers vectoring their planes from the end of their STARS procedure toward the localizer of the active arrival runway. Yes, intercepting it *is* the pilot's job, but the approach controller needs to get them in the vicinity of it, fare enough out, and with not too sharp a turn, and I'm pretty certain that the extended centerlines are indicated on their screens. Since I can't say this with any definitiveness, though, I understand Syd's reluctance to make changes. I'll see if I can come up with any RL references. And, as I said, I'll also see what I can come up with by way of my own solutions. I guess I'm just not patient enough for that sometimes. :) Cheers, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Stuart Buchanan stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 3:28:19 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request... syd adams wrote: That might be best . I know very little about what information a real scope displays , and intercepting a radial is the pilots job , so I dont know if I can bring myself to add that line ;). I was at a fly-in to an RAF base last week, which included a tour of their tower. Interestingly, they still do radar-guidance (I forget the official term) where the controller provides instructions to the pilot to bring them to the center-line and appropriate glideslope to the runway - Left two degrees, slightly high..., and the guides them all the way down to decision height. For this they had two radar displays, one showing the horizontal track and one showing the vertical, with an external center-line and glideslope marked on the display. I got the chance to try this out on their Tornado simulator, and it worked pretty well. I even got a nice print-out of my track afterwards :) -Stuart -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
It's looking good so far ... I haven't tested it yet myself , but if the guidelines are a separate texture , you can have them clipped my making the instrument the same dimensions as the radar screen ... cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
syd adams wrote: That might be best . I know very little about what information a real scope displays , and intercepting a radial is the pilots job , so I dont know if I can bring myself to add that line ;). I was at a fly-in to an RAF base last week, which included a tour of their tower. Interestingly, they still do radar-guidance (I forget the official term) where the controller provides instructions to the pilot to bring them to the center-line and appropriate glideslope to the runway - Left two degrees, slightly high..., and the guides them all the way down to decision height. For this they had two radar displays, one showing the horizontal track and one showing the vertical, with an external center-line and glideslope marked on the display. I got the chance to try this out on their Tornado simulator, and it worked pretty well. I even got a nice print-out of my track afterwards :) -Stuart -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
I think you're referring to a ground-controlled approach or GCA. However, this is not what I'm referring to -- I'm simply talking about approach controllers vectoring their planes from the end of their STARS procedure toward the localizer of the active arrival runway. Yes, intercepting it *is* the pilot's job, but the approach controller needs to get them in the vicinity of it, fare enough out, and with not too sharp a turn, and I'm pretty certain that the extended centerlines are indicated on their screens. Since I can't say this with any definitiveness, though, I understand Syd's reluctance to make changes. I'll see if I can come up with any RL references. And, as I said, I'll also see what I can come up with by way of my own solutions. I guess I'm just not patient enough for that sometimes. :) Cheers, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: Stuart Buchanan stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2009 3:28:19 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request... syd adams wrote: That might be best . I know very little about what information a real scope displays , and intercepting a radial is the pilots job , so I dont know if I can bring myself to add that line ;). I was at a fly-in to an RAF base last week, which included a tour of their tower. Interestingly, they still do radar-guidance (I forget the official term) where the controller provides instructions to the pilot to bring them to the center-line and appropriate glideslope to the runway - Left two degrees, slightly high..., and the guides them all the way down to decision height. For this they had two radar displays, one showing the horizontal track and one showing the vertical, with an external center-line and glideslope marked on the display. I got the chance to try this out on their Tornado simulator, and it worked pretty well. I even got a nice print-out of my track afterwards :) -Stuart -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
Sounds like you guys know far more about the subject than I do . I'll see what I can do . The simplest idea I had was to overlay another transparent texture with a single line that could be rotated to the runway heading , but I dont know if that's suitable. Maybe a property enabled line could be added to the groundradar code extending from each runway , but that's more Jester's department :) Cheers -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
Stuart Buchanan wrote syd adams wrote: That might be best . I know very little about what information a real scope displays , and intercepting a radial is the pilots job , so I dont know if I can bring myself to add that line ;). I was at a fly-in to an RAF base last week, which included a tour of their tower. Interestingly, they still do radar-guidance (I forget the official term) where the controller provides instructions to the pilot to bring them to the center-line and appropriate glideslope to the runway - Left two degrees, slightly high..., and the guides them all the way down to decision height. For this they had two radar displays, one showing the horizontal track and one showing the vertical, with an external center-line and glideslope marked on the display. I got the chance to try this out on their Tornado simulator, and it worked pretty well. I even got a nice print-out of my track afterwards :) Ground Controlled Approach (GCA) or CCA on a carrier. Vivian -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
I think I know what your looking for , dont know if I like the idea , but it shouldn't be too difficult. You can tint the view from the menu to darken it so the screen info displays clearer ... what about another step to blackout the background view completely? What comes to mind is a line from the tower center outward on the display that could be rotated , but centering it on a runway might be tougher. Another plan I had was to remove any true heading references , since airports deal in magnetic headings , and it just confuses issues. But there are several people tweaking it , so I thought I'd leave it alone. Im currently working on other things , but I'll see what I can do . Cheers On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:39 PM, Rob Shearman, Jr. rmsj...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Syd and Jester... How easy/difficult would it be to add a small detail to the radar scope view, which would be extended centerlines for the runways? Trying to use version 2 today, I ran into difficulty giving good localizer intercepts just trying to eyeball the extended lines, especially when zoomed out past the range where the runways were clearly visible. Also, if you are able to add this feature, I would most preferably like to see it in both version 1 and version 2 (if that's not asking too much, of course). Today I was using version 2, and while it was nice to have a full-sreen view of the live action, it made details on the scope a little illegible. We (the group of users participating in my MP event today) are hoping to make our gathering a monthly thing, so next month I can try version 1 instead and see if it's any better/easier. Thanks for your consideration. I appreciate all of the effort you guys put into this project, and all of the novelties you think to include! :) Cheers, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
You can tint the view from the menu to darken it so the screen info displays clearer ... what about another step to blackout the background view completely? Well I really think having separate window and scope views might make it easier to discern the details, particularly the callsigns and data blocks in the scope. So next time I do ATC I will switch back to version 1 and see if I have a better experience. a line from the tower center outward on the display that could be rotated , but centering it on a runway might be tougher. If the extended centerlines are difficult to do, a radial from the tower would probably be a close-enough approximation, although of course it would never be exact since very few runways extend on radials intercepting the tower :) :) :) It's a decent work-around for now. I know you have several other projects you're working on. Maybe there's someone else on the list already working on improving the ATC set? Another plan I had was to remove any true heading references , since airports deal in magnetic headings , and it just confuses issues. Indeed. Of course there's some debate over the METAR info, whether it is in true or magnetic, and I think the consensus was that it's in true? This is the first simulator I've experienced with this level of detail given to such things, so I can't really weigh in. I know that the wind display atop the ATC2 screen does translate it, which is nice. I'm still way below the level where I can code these things on my own, but I might be at a point now where I can compare ATC1 and ATC2 and snip out the best bits into a cobbled-together version I like. Maybe I'll mess with that over the coming weeks and see where I end up. Thanks again for the audience. Sincerely, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu From: syd adams adams@gmail.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 6:06:12 PM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request... I think I know what your looking for , dont know if I like the idea , but it shouldn't be too difficult. You can tint the view from the menu to darken it so the screen info displays clearer ... what about another step to blackout the background view completely? What comes to mind is a line from the tower center outward on the display that could be rotated , but centering it on a runway might be tougher. Another plan I had was to remove any true heading references , since airports deal in magnetic headings , and it just confuses issues. But there are several people tweaking it , so I thought I'd leave it alone. Im currently working on other things , but I'll see what I can do . Cheers Thanks for your consideration. I appreciate all of the effort you guys put into this project, and all of the novelties you think to include! :) Cheers, -R. (MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as rm...@umd.edu -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiplayer ATC aircraft, feature request...
That might be best . I know very little about what information a real scope displays , and intercepting a radial is the pilots job , so I dont know if I can bring myself to add that line ;). I know , Im sure you mean this as a training tool, and I'll play around with ideas , but I'd be interested in what you come with also. Cheers I'm still way below the level where I can code these things on my own, but I might be at a point now where I can compare ATC1 and ATC2 and snip out the best bits into a cobbled-together version I like. Maybe I'll mess with that over the coming weeks and see where I end up. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
