FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
Dear all, Here is a note to Fluxlist from Alison. Hannah arrives today (or tomorrow) perhaps I can get direct questions to her too. She may not have time to answer but I'll ask..anyone? Ladles and Jellyspoons, All is on Noel's: -Messaggio Originale- Da: Alison Knowles A: alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Data invio: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:09:33 -0400 Oggetto: Fw: Madame Hulot sez Coming in from my longtime home in New York I arrived in Venice just in time to have an evening with Emmett Williams and Ann Noel. We had an endless night of long talk and tall drinks and his health though frail is better than any of my friends of his vintage. Salute Emmett and Ann Noel who are off to do her diaries in Venice with Francesco Conz. The first event at the museo Fortuny was not possible without a friend Alan Bowman whom I located on the rolldeck at the Foundation Emily Harvey and seemed to remember having met in New York. Everyone wants to help and is very kind here but some actually do put the proverbial shoulder to the wheel and do it. That is Alan. We are very labor compatible and with wit and knowledge of the terrain (Venice) he has been indispensible. We plan to work together again. He actually rolls along over and under it all and comes out smiling, so I call him Always Bowling and he calls me with equal appropriateness, Owl and Sundried. The performance went well with two of my own works: Loose Pages which papers the body in flax and crackles when walking, Onion Skin Song which turns a sandwich of onion skins in seran wrap into musical notation (played with toys, bean turners). We used the shadows on the crumbling lovely walls to play from, but then also the onion skin sandwich itself(which we created live on the floor) we could turn and use as well. The concert concluded with three Vintage Fluxus works full of significance but with no specific meaning: a Dick Higgins Constellation (three of them with audience participation), Shoes of Your Choice (with much audience participation) and Ay-O's Rainbow ( three performers blowing bubbles while I lept about bursting with pins). For whatever reason Lucio Pozzi said this made him weep! It was lovely with bubbles floating about in marble halls. The concert ended with Bob Watts Trace for Orchestra. We burned the Barber of Seville at the music stand. This is a fine piece. The next day I left for the Villa Buttafava with Giovanni Orsini to put up an installation in the Villa and get out of Venice for three days. Putting instruments and artifacts, stones and beans plus his miracle fabric luminex into an old window with a plexi backing which we then hung on the wall. This installatain and in fact all I am doing here has the title Time Samples. Let's keep it simple as Robert (filliou) would say. Signor Orsini is of a very old family. In fact his ancestor Felix invented the Orsin. this bomb relieved the world of Napoleon 111! Now, back in Venice, Always Bowling and I have just the Exhbition Time Samples ahead next week. we have lizards here, ants a'plenty and now mosquitoes. We try to be friendly with these creatures, we are, afterall the intruders. Nice to talk to the Fluxlist again. Onward Alison (akijan) Oh Odin's Underpants its a B(owman)LOG http://bowmansramblings.blogspot.com/ Visit the Freeformfreakout Organisation Online: http://www.freeformfreakoutorganisation.net
Re: FLUXLIST: -- Poonurse
which town in Michigan, Ann Arbor? -Buckeye Don http://www.donaldboyd.blogspot.com/ http://fluxuswest.blogspot.com/ http://fluxusmuseum.blogspot.com/
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
Also, all, the Visible Language double issue on Fluxus is out, it's put out by RISDe and available through them I think. Website as well. A very fun and interesting article on games and art as well as a thing by me, and mmore things by Owen and Ken and many others from this list. Thanks to all for your lovely words. AK On 6/20/06 2:25 AM, Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, Here is a note to Fluxlist from Alison. Hannah arrives today (or tomorrow) perhaps I can get direct questions to her too. She may not have time to answer but I'll ask..anyone? Ladles and Jellyspoons, All is on Noel's: -Messaggio Originale- Da: Alison Knowles A: alan bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Data invio: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 13:09:33 -0400 Oggetto: Fw: Madame Hulot sez Coming in from my longtime home in New York I arrived in Venice just in time to have an evening with Emmett Williams and Ann Noel. We had an endless night of long talk and tall drinks and his health though frail is better than any of my friends of his vintage. Salute Emmett and Ann Noel who are off to do her diaries in Venice with Francesco Conz. The first event at the museo Fortuny was not possible without a friend Alan Bowman whom I located on the rolldeck at the Foundation Emily Harvey and seemed to remember having met in New York. Everyone wants to help and is very kind here but some actually do put the proverbial shoulder to the wheel and do it. That is Alan. We are very labor compatible and with wit and knowledge of the terrain (Venice) he has been indispensible. We plan to work together again. He actually rolls along over and under it all and comes out smiling, so I call him Always Bowling and he calls me with equal appropriateness, Owl and Sundried. The performance went well with two of my own works: Loose Pages which papers the body in flax and crackles when walking, Onion Skin Song which turns a sandwich of onion skins in seran wrap into musical notation (played with toys, bean turners). We used the shadows on the crumbling lovely walls to play from, but then also the onion skin sandwich itself(which we created live on the floor) we could turn and use as well. The concert concluded with three Vintage Fluxus works full of significance but with no specific meaning: a Dick Higgins Constellation (three of them with audience participation), Shoes of Your Choice (with much audience participation) and Ay-O's Rainbow ( three performers blowing bubbles while I lept about bursting with pins). For whatever reason Lucio Pozzi said this made him weep! It was lovely with bubbles floating about in marble halls. The concert ended with Bob Watts Trace for Orchestra. We burned the Barber of Seville at the music stand. This is a fine piece. The next day I left for the Villa Buttafava with Giovanni Orsini to put up an installation in the Villa and get out of Venice for three days. Putting instruments and artifacts, stones and beans plus his miracle fabric luminex into an old window with a plexi backing which we then hung on the wall. This installatain and in fact all I am doing here has the title Time Samples. Let's keep it simple as Robert (filliou) would say. Signor Orsini is of a very old family. In fact his ancestor Felix invented the Orsin. this bomb relieved the world of Napoleon 111! Now, back in Venice, Always Bowling and I have just the Exhbition Time Samples ahead next week. we have lizards here, ants a'plenty and now mosquitoes. We try to be friendly with these creatures, we are, afterall the intruders. Nice to talk to the Fluxlist again. Onward Alison (akijan) Oh Odin's Underpants its a B(owman)LOG http://bowmansramblings.blogspot.com/ Visit the Freeformfreakout Organisation Online: http://www.freeformfreakoutorganisation.net
FLUXLIST: The nodder, Peerc, O tar
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RE: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
What a great letter from Alison Alan. Thank you for sharing it with the list, and nice to know that she was so ammenable to sharing her thoughts with us. I would be very interested in hearing the thoughts of both Alison and Hannah about the current status of Fluxus. If they are prepared to address the Dead/Alive/Both question head-on that would be very interesting, however their thoughts in a more general and less polemic format would also be welcome. I.E. What do you think about contemporary Fluxus practice and where do you see Fluxus going forward? Thanks, Allan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alan Bowman Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:26 AM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles Dear all, Here is a note to Fluxlist from Alison. Hannah arrives today (or tomorrow) perhaps I can get direct questions to her too. She may not have time to answer but I'll ask..anyone? Ladles and Jellyspoons, All is on Noel's:
RE: FLUXLIST: -- Poonurse
You'll have to do some Googling research to figure that one out Don. I just stumbled upon her accidentally - you might say I stepped in it when I wasn't paying attention :-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Boyd Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:39 AM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: -- Poonurse which town in Michigan, Ann Arbor? -Buckeye Don http://www.donaldboyd.blogspot.com/ http://fluxuswest.blogspot.com/ http://fluxusmuseum.blogspot.com/
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
FLUXLIST@scribble.com on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 at 9:58 AM -0500 wrote: I would be very interested in hearing the thoughts of both Alison and Hannah about the current status of Fluxus. If they are prepared to address the Dead/Alive/Both question head-on that would be very interesting, however their thoughts in a more general and less polemic format would also be welcome. I.E. What do you think about contemporary Fluxus practice and where do you see Fluxus going forward? Ann K mentioned her article in one of the issues of Visible Language in a prior post - if you are interested in the above you should really read it for the essay covers may important and related issues to the topic of fluxus as an onging concern/approach. It is titled What has Fluxus Created? (or did you mention this already Ann?) My own point of view is that there is a historical Fluxus that is what it is (not dead, but more set or determined in a way) but there is also fluxus as a view and practice that is alive an well. This is another way Fluxus is like Zen - both have a history and an ongoing praqctice that are related but not determined one (present, evloving and changing) by the other (past, more set if not fixed) - I had a great conversation with George Brecht a number of years ago about this concept and he agreed that this is a useful way of looking at Fluxus. Owen
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
FLUXLIST@scribble.com on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 at 12:10 PM -0500 wrote: I think that the answers that I seek arise from two questions: 1) How to deal with critics, curators, and historians who insist that Fluxus only existed at a particular time in history, and that it only involved the group of atists who produced work that they called Fluxus within that time frame? I know that one could choose to either ignore or confront them - but what about a middle way towards mutual understanding? Yes, a middle way would seem the best - the curator types would have to admit that there is an ongoing tradition at least (and they are blind if they don't not see it) and the artists will have to admit that they are part of a tradition not the original group. Now, yes this is separation of new and old seems counter to aspects of a Fluxus sensibility and, in fact, it is counter - at the same time historical distinctions are still valid and useful. The same way context/history is not only necessary but central to how we make meaning in general it is valid in all aspects of understanding of the whole issue of Fluxus, what it is and what it is not. Fluxus' history and its current strains/traditions is a major focus of the two issue that Ken and i did not Visible language. I have a section of artists statements on Fluxus and its influence on them from 12 current practitioners (and several on the Fluxlist) including Alan Bowman, David-Baptiste Chirot, mekal and, Sol Nte, and Walter Cianciusi. In the end I personally will come down to a different question and that is is it interesting? (there is plenty of stuff called Fluxus that is not very interesting and much stuff that is not Fluxus that is quite interesting). 2) How to deal with issues within the current community of practitioners who seem divided between those that feel they are producing new Fluxus work and those who feel that they are producing new work, of no particular school or movement, but in the Fluxus tradition? Maybe these are both questions for which definitive answers can never be found and for which the only solution is ongoing dialogue... Well answers are always less interesting then good questions. As to how to address this - in part you have to let the artists speak for themselves, but also realize that the audience will also have their own voice in the matter. This way they the answer of is it new work or part of a tradition will be answered collectively by both artist and audience, kind of like the art coefficient idea of Duchamp's but applied not to is it art?, but what kind of art is it? By the way, could you or Ann post a link to a site from which issues of Visible Language can be ordered? http://www.id.iit.edu/visiblelanguage/ The web site is a little out of date so it does not list the issues, but they are 39.3 Fluxus and Legacy and 40.1 Fluxus After Fluxus and there is contact information about getting copies, it should be abut 20.00 for the double issue. Owen
FLUXLIST: Headline Haiku (cHaiku)
Title: Message Headlines: June 20, 2006 London fails Woman finds bear eating Germany vaults into second round Allan Revich
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
I have a question: Do these trousers make me look taller? Badgergirl (very) From: Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue Jun 20 02:25:58 CDT 2006 To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles Dear all, Here is a note to Fluxlist from Alison. Hannah arrives today (or tomorrow) perhaps I can get direct questions to her too. She may not have time to answer but I'll ask..anyone? Oh Odin's Underpants its a B(owman)LOG http://bowmansramblings.blogspot.com/ Visit the Freeformfreakout Organisation Online: http://www.freeformfreakoutorganisation.net
RE: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
Taller than what? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 4:02 PM To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles I have a question: Do these trousers make me look taller? Badgergirl (very) From: Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue Jun 20 02:25:58 CDT 2006 To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles Dear all, Here is a note to Fluxlist from Alison. Hannah arrives today (or tomorrow) perhaps I can get direct questions to her too. She may not have time to answer but I'll ask..anyone? Oh Odin's Underpants its a B(owman)LOG http://bowmansramblings.blogspot.com/ Visit the Freeformfreakout Organisation Online: http://www.freeformfreakoutorganisation.net
RE: FLUXLIST: Difficulties with Visible Language
I can order one for you and one for me and you can pay me cash? Original Message Follows From: Alan Bowman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: FLUXLIST: Difficulties with Visible Language Date: 20 Jun 2006 18:34:08 - Woooahh How do you work out that order form?! And the you have to post it, .like with stamps and stuff. way complicated. If anyone can help me out here I'd be grateful. It's also a little difficult as I don't have a checking account or a credit card (YES! we do exist!) suggestions??? a By the way, could you or Ann post a link to a site from which issues of Visible Language can be ordered? http://www.id.iit.edu/visiblelanguage/ The web site is a little out of date so it does not list the issues, but they are 39.3 Fluxus and Legacy and 40.1 Fluxus After Fluxus and there is contact information about getting copies, it should be abut 20.00 for the double issue. Owen Oh Odin's Underpants its a B(owman)LOG http://bowmansramblings.blogspot.com/ Visit the Freeformfreakout Organisation Online: http://www.freeformfreakoutorganisation.net
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
On 2006 Jun 20, at 3:01 PM, badgergirl wrote: I have a question: Do these trousers make me look taller? Badgergirl (very) My question: Do her trousers make me look taller? R~~ --- Now playing: AMM - Coffin Nor Shelf
Re: FLUXLIST: Difficulties with Visible Language
are they Panchólares?? In the time of Pancho Villa he did his own money, it was called Panchólares... Thanks for the advice! bpm Original Message Follows From: Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com To: FLUXLIST@scribble.com Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Difficulties with Visible Language Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:06:31 -0500 On 2006 Jun 20, at 3:47 PM, bibiana padilla maltos wrote: I can order one for you and one for me and you can pay me cash? His cash is no good. God --- Now playing: AMM - Coffin Nor Shelf
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
There is a sort of bit of a fashion for high school boys to wear girls' trousers . . . On 6/20/06 4:05 PM, Rod Stasick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2006 Jun 20, at 3:01 PM, badgergirl wrote: I have a question: Do these trousers make me look taller? Badgergirl (very) My question: Do her trousers make me look taller? R~~ --- Now playing: AMM - Coffin Nor Shelf
Re: FLUXLIST: Fw: Madame Hulot sez - A Message from Alison Knowles
On 2006 Jun 20, at 5:10 PM, Ann Klefstad wrote: There is a sort of bit of a fashion for high school boys to wear girls' trousers . . . ...while they're still in them... yeah, it was the same at *my* school! R~~ --- Now playing: Charles Mingus - Theme For Lester Young (aka Goodbye Pork Pie Hat)
