Re: Integration of Peter's work
Peter B. West wrote: Jeremias Maerki wrote: On 01.02.2003 00:16:30 Peter B. West wrote: Should we reserve a directory on the web site for storing diagrams which find their way into the Wiki? +0. The other possibility is to put it in the public_html folder of your cvs.apache.org account. Even though I don't have any appropriate tools for such at the moment, I should like the diagrams to be editable to the same extent as the text. I don't comprehend design discussions without diagrams. In order to do this, we need somewhere accessible, not necessarily on the web-site, to drop these things. Can they be fitted within the Wiki structure? What about putting in the CVS svg files (Openoffice does them IIRC) and have Forrest publish them as PNG on the website? You could reference them from the forrestbot.cocoondev.org space and have them updated every hour or so. Just another option. -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
On 02.02.2003 05:38:27 Peter B. West wrote: > Jeremias Maerki wrote: > > On 01.02.2003 00:16:30 Peter B. West wrote: > > > > > >>Should we reserve a directory on the web site for storing diagrams which > >>find their way into the Wiki? > > > > > > +0. The other possibility is to put it in the public_html folder of your > > cvs.apache.org account. > > Even though I don't have any appropriate tools for such at the moment, I > should like the diagrams to be editable to the same extent as the text. > I don't comprehend design discussions without diagrams. In order to > do this, we need somewhere accessible, not necessarily on the web-site, > to drop these things. Can they be fitted within the Wiki structure? I'm not a Wiki-specialist, but at least the current Wiki implementation doesn't support uploading of images. A thing like that could be proposed on the community mailing list. Anyway, there's an easy way to upload files to your public_html directory, for example with scp (or pscp if you use the putty package). I can do: pscp C:\Temp\mypic.png [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/x1/home/jeremias/public_html Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
Jeremias Maerki wrote: On 01.02.2003 00:16:30 Peter B. West wrote: Should we reserve a directory on the web site for storing diagrams which find their way into the Wiki? +0. The other possibility is to put it in the public_html folder of your cvs.apache.org account. Even though I don't have any appropriate tools for such at the moment, I should like the diagrams to be editable to the same extent as the text. I don't comprehend design discussions without diagrams. In order to do this, we need somewhere accessible, not necessarily on the web-site, to drop these things. Can they be fitted within the Wiki structure? Peter -- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/ "Lord, to whom shall we go?" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
On 01.02.2003 00:16:30 Peter B. West wrote: > Sorry about the delay on this. I'll start some work on the Wiki now > that I have something basic working with my documentation. Great. > Should we reserve a directory on the web site for storing diagrams which > find their way into the Wiki? +0. The other possibility is to put it in the public_html folder of your cvs.apache.org account. Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
Jeremias Maerki wrote: Hi all (and especially Peter) I'd like to ask if and when we can integrate Peter's work into the main redesign. If nobody is against this move in general, I'd volunteer to help Peter integrate it. I've got some time for this and I think this could help focus our limited resources. Peter, would you add a Wiki page describing what needs to be done for the integration and what others could help you with? Jeremias and others, Sorry about the delay on this. I'll start some work on the Wiki now that I have something basic working with my documentation. Should we reserve a directory on the web site for storing diagrams which find their way into the Wiki? Peter -- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/ "Lord, to whom shall we go?" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Integration of Peter's work
Just realize that I am, with the exception of my layout experience, a grunt. I'm volunteering for this because I'm assuming that Peter has gotten the majority of the actual engineering out of the way and that helping incorporate his work isn't going to require massive amounts of domain knowledge. If it does, it's going to take me longer than it'll take others. I guess I'll know when the TODO list becomes available. -Original Message- From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Integration of Peter's work On 23.01.2003 16:07:24 Rhett Aultman wrote: > "Doing anything" is why I have volunteered to help integrate Peter's > work. It seems like the sort of thing I could do without excessive > domain knowledge and like something I can do while I keep an eye on the > layout system and while thinking about my other projects. ;) That's fine. The leaves room for me to concentrate on Avalonization. > BTW, does anyone here use Eclipse as their IDE? I use it, and getting > it to play nice with FOP's source hasn't been easy for me, so I thought > I might ask around. I use it. That's why I refactored the build in the redesign. There you can have two source directories (src and build/gensrc) and you'll have everything you need. For the branch this is not so simple as there is still PDFGraphics2D.java that doesn't compile so easily. I've changed this in the redesign to PDFGraphics2D.javat (t=template). To build the build/gensrc directory, just call "build codegen". Does that help? Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
...and I don't use the built-in Ant support. Doesn't work on my machine. Lots of error with out build.xml. On 23.01.2003 18:32:01 Jeremias Maerki wrote: > > BTW, does anyone here use Eclipse as their IDE? I use it, and getting > > it to play nice with FOP's source hasn't been easy for me, so I thought > > I might ask around. > > I use it. That's why I refactored the build in the redesign. There you > can have two source directories (src and build/gensrc) and you'll have > everything you need. For the branch this is not so simple as there is > still PDFGraphics2D.java that doesn't compile so easily. I've changed > this in the redesign to PDFGraphics2D.javat (t=template). > > To build the build/gensrc directory, just call "build codegen". Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
On 23.01.2003 16:07:24 Rhett Aultman wrote: > "Doing anything" is why I have volunteered to help integrate Peter's > work. It seems like the sort of thing I could do without excessive > domain knowledge and like something I can do while I keep an eye on the > layout system and while thinking about my other projects. ;) That's fine. The leaves room for me to concentrate on Avalonization. > BTW, does anyone here use Eclipse as their IDE? I use it, and getting > it to play nice with FOP's source hasn't been easy for me, so I thought > I might ask around. I use it. That's why I refactored the build in the redesign. There you can have two source directories (src and build/gensrc) and you'll have everything you need. For the branch this is not so simple as there is still PDFGraphics2D.java that doesn't compile so easily. I've changed this in the redesign to PDFGraphics2D.javat (t=template). To build the build/gensrc directory, just call "build codegen". Does that help? Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Integration of Peter's work
Honestly, Keiron, don't rush on my account. I'm at the tip of the iceberg of addressing these problems. The XSL-FO spec isn't the most crystal clear on overconstraint relaxing and noodling out document anomaly ideas in my mind and on the Wiki isn't a rapid process. ;) -Original Message- From: Keiron Liddle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Integration of Peter's work > It is part of a reason, though it's not a primary reason. The number one reason is that the area I have most understanding in is layout and it seems Keiron's setting the pace there, so I'm watching, waiting, and learning. Anomalous document resolution and overconstraint relaxing, which is an area I'd like to develop out, is something that's still working nebulously in my mind and on the Wiki, especially since I think it will have to be grafted on to the layout system at hand, and I'm watching where things go with that. I have some ideas happening but it could be a while. Hopefully it will at least make it possible to start to approach the problems you have started looking at with the overconstained relaxing. It would be good to have Peter's work integrated. Keiron. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Integration of Peter's work
> It is part of a reason, though it's not a primary reason. The number one reason is that the area I have most understanding in is layout and it seems Keiron's setting the pace there, so I'm watching, waiting, and learning. Anomalous document resolution and overconstraint relaxing, which is an area I'd like to develop out, is something that's still working nebulously in my mind and on the Wiki, especially since I think it will have to be grafted on to the layout system at hand, and I'm watching where things go with that. I have some ideas happening but it could be a while. Hopefully it will at least make it possible to start to approach the problems you have started looking at with the overconstained relaxing. It would be good to have Peter's work integrated. Keiron. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Integration of Peter's work
"Doing anything" is why I have volunteered to help integrate Peter's work. It seems like the sort of thing I could do without excessive domain knowledge and like something I can do while I keep an eye on the layout system and while thinking about my other projects. ;) BTW, does anyone here use Eclipse as their IDE? I use it, and getting it to play nice with FOP's source hasn't been easy for me, so I thought I might ask around. -Original Message- From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Integration of Peter's work On 23.01.2003 15:18:14 Rhett Aultman wrote: > It is part of a reason, though it's not a primary reason. The number > one reason is that the area I have most understanding in is layout and > it seems Keiron's setting the pace there, so I'm watching, waiting, and > learning. Anomalous document resolution and overconstraint relaxing, > which is an area I'd like to develop out, is something that's still > working nebulously in my mind and on the Wiki, especially since I think > it will have to be grafted on to the layout system at hand, and I'm > watching where things go with that. Don't watch too long. :-) Doing anything already helps us. > So I guess I'm saying I don't *NEED* R/W access. I'm sure we will get annoyed by your sending tons of patches and vote you in as a committer in no time. :-) > As for my mail client...pretty much, yes, I am. It's a standard at my > company. The only other option is for me to switch to my private email > account and start using a web-based client. If it's annoying people, I > can. It's a nice-to-have. Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Integration of Peter's work
Rhett Aultman wrote: > As for my mail client...pretty much, yes, I am. It's a standard > at my company. The only other option is for me to switch to my > private email account and start using a web-based client. If > it's annoying people, I can. If you're using Outlook, there is a checkbox on the "Name" tab of the Address Book Properties screen that says "Send E-Mail using plain text only" which may help with the text/html issue. The "Mail Options" tab of the Tools / Options menu has a more global setting that does the same thing. If there are other things about Outlook that are problems, I don't know what they are. Victor Mote - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
On 23.01.2003 15:18:14 Rhett Aultman wrote: > It is part of a reason, though it's not a primary reason. The number > one reason is that the area I have most understanding in is layout and > it seems Keiron's setting the pace there, so I'm watching, waiting, and > learning. Anomalous document resolution and overconstraint relaxing, > which is an area I'd like to develop out, is something that's still > working nebulously in my mind and on the Wiki, especially since I think > it will have to be grafted on to the layout system at hand, and I'm > watching where things go with that. Don't watch too long. :-) Doing anything already helps us. > So I guess I'm saying I don't *NEED* R/W access. I'm sure we will get annoyed by your sending tons of patches and vote you in as a committer in no time. :-) > As for my mail client...pretty much, yes, I am. It's a standard at my > company. The only other option is for me to switch to my private email > account and start using a web-based client. If it's annoying people, I > can. It's a nice-to-have. Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Integration of Peter's work
It is part of a reason, though it's not a primary reason. The number one reason is that the area I have most understanding in is layout and it seems Keiron's setting the pace there, so I'm watching, waiting, and learning. Anomalous document resolution and overconstraint relaxing, which is an area I'd like to develop out, is something that's still working nebulously in my mind and on the Wiki, especially since I think it will have to be grafted on to the layout system at hand, and I'm watching where things go with that. So I guess I'm saying I don't *NEED* R/W access. As for my mail client...pretty much, yes, I am. It's a standard at my company. The only other option is for me to switch to my private email account and start using a web-based client. If it's annoying people, I can. -Original Message- From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 8:59 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Integration of Peter's work Processing properly generated unified diffs is not much of a problem. It would be cool if you could help, too. We can use all the help we can get. Just curious: Is the missing R/W access to CVS a reason for you not to contribute? (another little thing: Are you forced to use that particular mail client you currently use?) On 23.01.2003 14:39:25 Rhett Aultman wrote: > If clear documentation of what needs to be done can be produced, I'm > willing to offer my time to it, too, though I don't know if my not > having R/W access to the CVS would make me an unsuitable candidate. Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
Processing properly generated unified diffs is not much of a problem. It would be cool if you could help, too. We can use all the help we can get. Just curious: Is the missing R/W access to CVS a reason for you not to contribute? (another little thing: Are you forced to use that particular mail client you currently use?) On 23.01.2003 14:39:25 Rhett Aultman wrote: > If clear documentation of what needs to be done can be produced, I'm > willing to offer my time to it, too, though I don't know if my not > having R/W access to the CVS would make me an unsuitable candidate. Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Integration of Peter's work
Title: Integration of Peter's work If clear documentation of what needs to be done can be produced, I'm willing to offer my time to it, too, though I don't know if my not having R/W access to the CVS would make me an unsuitable candidate. -Original Message-From: Jeremias Maerki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:57 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Integration of Peter's work Hi all (and especially Peter)I'd like to ask if and when we can integrate Peter's work into the mainredesign. If nobody is against this move in general, I'd volunteer tohelp Peter integrate it. I've got some time for this and I think thiscould help focus our limited resources.Peter, would you add a Wiki page describing what needs to be done forthe integration and what others could help you with?Jeremias Maerki-To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
Peter B. West wrote: >. . . What will be interesting here is the possibility of defining a set of structure events for integration with the structure renderers like RTF, and I hope we can have some fruitful discussions with Bertrand on this. Looks promising, let me know where to look when the time is right. -Bertrand - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
Jeremias Maerki wrote: On 23.01.2003 12:34:33 Peter B. West wrote: ... There are a couple of issues in the design of the properties code that will require decisions from the editors. I will detail these on the Wiki, and formulate questions for the editors in hopes of a quick reply. I don't think that each and every issue has to be resolved prior to move your things in. We can sort that out later, right? Or are there any showstoppers? Mess-makers. We will need to think about the sorts of changes that will be required if the decision goes against me. ... I don't want to put pressure on you. Just know that I'm available if you're ready. Much appreciated. Peter -- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/ "Lord, to whom shall we go?" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
On 23.01.2003 12:34:33 Peter B. West wrote: > Jeremias, > > I shall do that, although, never having had anything to do with Wikis > before, I will be fumbling. It's easy. You'll see. :-) > As you may have noticed, I have been somewhat distracted since the New > Year. Among the things that require attention are my attempts at a > pseudo-code-walkthrough style of documentation for the properties code. > I hope to post my initial efforts tomorrow. I have struggled to make > the documentation acceptable to Forrest, but the end result is not > satisfactory, and I am hoping for some detailed suggestions once I get > the pages up. > > There are a couple of issues in the design of the properties code that > will require decisions from the editors. I will detail these on the > Wiki, and formulate questions for the editors in hopes of a quick reply. I don't think that each and every issue has to be resolved prior to move your things in. We can sort that out later, right? Or are there any showstoppers? > Those things aside, the integration can probably proceed along the same > vector as the current FO Tree integration - via the completion of > page-sequence events. What will be interesting here is the possibility > of defining a set of structure events for integration with the structure > renderers like RTF, and I hope we can have some fruitful discussions > with Bertrand on this. > > Warning: extensive style policing will be required. :-) > A bit to do over the next few days. I don't want to put pressure on you. Just know that I'm available if you're ready. Jeremias Maerki - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Integration of Peter's work
Jeremias, I shall do that, although, never having had anything to do with Wikis before, I will be fumbling. As you may have noticed, I have been somewhat distracted since the New Year. Among the things that require attention are my attempts at a pseudo-code-walkthrough style of documentation for the properties code. I hope to post my initial efforts tomorrow. I have struggled to make the documentation acceptable to Forrest, but the end result is not satisfactory, and I am hoping for some detailed suggestions once I get the pages up. There are a couple of issues in the design of the properties code that will require decisions from the editors. I will detail these on the Wiki, and formulate questions for the editors in hopes of a quick reply. Those things aside, the integration can probably proceed along the same vector as the current FO Tree integration - via the completion of page-sequence events. What will be interesting here is the possibility of defining a set of structure events for integration with the structure renderers like RTF, and I hope we can have some fruitful discussions with Bertrand on this. Warning: extensive style policing will be required. A bit to do over the next few days. Peter Jeremias Maerki wrote: Hi all (and especially Peter) I'd like to ask if and when we can integrate Peter's work into the main redesign. If nobody is against this move in general, I'd volunteer to help Peter integrate it. I've got some time for this and I think this could help focus our limited resources. Peter, would you add a Wiki page describing what needs to be done for the integration and what others could help you with? -- Peter B. West [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.powerup.com.au/~pbwest/ "Lord, to whom shall we go?" - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
