Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Me...
> > *John Vandenberg: **Which project has had ArbCom members that were not > admins? > * Portuguese ArbCom members does not need to be an adm too. See please: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Elei%C3%A7%C3%B5es _ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal 2010/12/6 John Vandenberg > On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Huib Laurens wrote: > > Sinds its not only English Wikipedia but foundation wide I can say we > have > > people becomming Arbcom without being a Admin.. We had CheckUsers without > > being a admin. So its not a ladder. > > Hi Huib, > > Which project has had ArbCom members that were not admins? > > There is a related discussion started on meta. > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arbitration_Committee#Access_to_WMF_private_information > > > -- > John V > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
Well, let's not make that a question of "my Wikipédia is better / bigger / prettier that your", please _ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal 2010/12/7 Yaroslav M. Blanter > > > You may check my user page too, on the Brazilian Portuguese > > Wikipedia. It's a barrel of laughs. Sorry you'll have to check the > > history. :-) > > > > Well, as far as I am concerned creation of articles like this > http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=29663_1998_WH23&redirect=no or > like this http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agrostis_taliensis in the amount of > several thousands per day with the only purpose of keeping clear from > Russian Wikipedia in terms of the number of articles damages the images of > Portuguese Wikipedia much more that transitions between the dialects. You > will soon become sort of the second Volapuk, and for Volapuk the dialect do > not really matter. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
Since you not speak portuguese and do not know our countries (in plural because of Brazil / Angola / Portugal / Cape Verde / etc... ) and culture, i would be glad if you keep your opinion for you. The reputation of pt.wiki is our problem, and the problem of the "little articles" is a question who is a decision of every community to decide. Spanish, Italy and Russian (as far I can understand for you mail) don't allow that kind of article. We do. And not because of ru.wiki, we do that for all our history. If that is bad or good, don't concern to you or me to judge, but to pt.wiki readers and contributors _ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal 2010/12/7 Yaroslav M. Blanter > > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:25:22 +, Béria Lima wrote: > > Well, let's not make that a question of "my Wikipédia is better / bigger > / > > prettier that your", please > > _ > > Béria Lima (Beh) > > Wikimedia Portugal > > > > > > This is a reputation question. If you have the community decision to have > such reputation, I am perfectly fine with that. I am not a Portuguese > speaker and not a regular contributor to pt.wp > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia
Not very friendly to go with your first message. But let's try again in a more polite way: We have bot articles? Yes we have, several bots create most of citys of France and some of Spain, German and Russia in Portuguese Wikipédia. but no one of those bots works anymore since 2007-2008. From now on, all articles are create by people. If they are big or not, i don't know, but we only ask for all article have a source. So if you create a article like "Brazil is a country of South America" with a source, your article would be kept. I understand you when you said that we could delete those articles, but i think that little information is better than no information at all. That is what we normally think in portuguese wikipedia. And about the problem of be the number 1, 2, 3 or 405: Our community really do not care about it in general. Of course some guys have the "number fever" and like to know we are the 9º (or 10º - i don't know) largest wikipedia. But the rest of us if cool with that. Sorry the other mail, i'm a little rude at times. _ Béria Lima (Beh) Wikimedia Portugal 2010/12/7 Yaroslav M. Blanter > > On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 21:46:48 +, Béria Lima wrote: > > Since you not speak portuguese and do not know our countries (in plural > > because of Brazil / Angola / Portugal / Cape Verde / etc... ) and > culture, > > i > > would be glad if you keep your opinion for you. > > > > The reputation of pt.wiki is our problem, and the problem of the "little > > articles" is a question who is a decision of every community to decide. > > Spanish, Italy and Russian (as far I can understand for you mail) don't > > allow that kind of article. We do. And not because of ru.wiki, we do > that > > for all our history. > > > > If that is bad or good, don't concern to you or me to judge, but to > pt.wiki > > readers and contributors > > _ > > Well, not a very friendly answer. I do speak some Portuguese (not on the > level to contribute as an editor), and I have visited Portugal and Brazil a > number of times. I totally agree that it is not my business to judge what > should be kept in pt.wp (indeed, in Russian Wikipedia these articles are > eligible for speedy deletion). However I am entitled to express my opinion > that Portuguese Wikipedia is largely bot-generated. At least until pt.wp > community decides to clean it up. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for assistance
Correction in your portuguese phrase: "Depois de avaliar a*s* evidência*s* apresentada*s*, votei a favor da proposta d*e* concessão de poderes administrativos a Peter Symonds *no*Meta." ____ *Béria Lima (Beh) * 2011/1/5 M. Williamson > Virgilio: > > Many thanks for the information. I have, after reviewing the evidence > you presented, casted my vote in support of Peter Symonds' adminship > on Meta. > > Muito obrigado pela informação. Depois de avaliar a evidência > apresentada, votei a favor da proposta da concessão de poderes > administrativos a Peter Symonds em Meta. > > -m. > > 2011/1/5 Virgilio A. P. Machado : > > To all women and men of good faith who are members of this mailing list, > > please check the following pages: > > > > 1) > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_adminship/PeterSymonds > > > > 2) > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta_talk:Requests_for_adminship/PeterSymonds > > > > 3) > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Vapmachado_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29_-_ban_request > > > > 4) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block > > > > 5) > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AVapmachado&type=block > > > > 6) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado > > > > and any further information on the user page: > > > > 7) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado > > > > Please let me know: > > > > a) why my request for unblock was never answered, > > > > b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of "harassment," > > > > c) if after Dec. 23, "he's just returned to do the same thing that lead > > him to be blocked in the first instance.", > > > > d) where are the occurrences of "continued hostile behavior," > > > > e) towards what or whom is that "continued hostile behavior," > > > > f) why my "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering achievements > is > > never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making. > > > > The accusations of "meatpuppetry and privacy violations" based on highly > > controverted and irregular cases, may still turn out to be defamatory, > and > > it is not very wise to use them to attack the reputation, honor and good > > name of this user. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Virgilio A. P. Machado > > > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Request for assistance
Sra. Lima, em facto senhorita Lima. XD But your portuguese is almost perfect. _ *Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484* 2011/1/5 M. Williamson > Muito obrigado Sr. Lima, peço desculpas pelo meu "portunhol". > > Hope this new year is a good one for you and everybody else. > > -m > > 2011/1/5 Béria Lima : > > Correction in your portuguese phrase: > > > > "Depois de avaliar a*s* evidência*s* apresentada*s*, votei a favor da > > proposta d*e* concessão de poderes administrativos a Peter Symonds > *no*Meta." > > > > *Béria Lima (Beh) > > * > > > > > > 2011/1/5 M. Williamson > > > >> Virgilio: > >> > >> Many thanks for the information. I have, after reviewing the evidence > >> you presented, casted my vote in support of Peter Symonds' adminship > >> on Meta. > >> > >> Muito obrigado pela informação. Depois de avaliar a evidência > >> apresentada, votei a favor da proposta da concessão de poderes > >> administrativos a Peter Symonds em Meta. > >> > >> -m. > >> > >> 2011/1/5 Virgilio A. P. Machado : > >> > To all women and men of good faith who are members of this mailing > list, > >> > please check the following pages: > >> > > >> > 1) > >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_adminship/PeterSymonds > >> > > >> > 2) > >> > > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta_talk:Requests_for_adminship/PeterSymonds > >> > > >> > 3) > >> > > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Vapmachado_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29_-_ban_request > >> > > >> > 4) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block > >> > > >> > 5) > >> > > >> > http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AVapmachado&type=block > >> > > >> > 6) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado > >> > > >> > and any further information on the user page: > >> > > >> > 7) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado > >> > > >> > Please let me know: > >> > > >> > a) why my request for unblock was never answered, > >> > > >> > b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of "harassment," > >> > > >> > c) if after Dec. 23, "he's just returned to do the same thing that > lead > >> > him to be blocked in the first instance.", > >> > > >> > d) where are the occurrences of "continued hostile behavior," > >> > > >> > e) towards what or whom is that "continued hostile behavior," > >> > > >> > f) why my "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering > achievements > >> is > >> > never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making. > >> > > >> > The accusations of "meatpuppetry and privacy violations" based on > highly > >> > controverted and irregular cases, may still turn out to be defamatory, > >> and > >> > it is not very wise to use them to attack the reputation, honor and > good > >> > name of this user. > >> > > >> > Sincerely, > >> > > >> > Virgilio A. P. Machado > >> > > >> > > >> > ___ > >> > foundation-l mailing list > >> > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> > > >> > >> ___ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] January 15 retro?
Please tell that exist a video of wikipedians singing this song!! XD _ *Béria Lima (Beh) * 2011/1/11 Casey Brown > On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > >> Which one was it that was sung at the party in Alexandria? > > > > If memory serves it was "I will revise" to the tune of "I will survive". > > Yep: <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/I_Will_Revise> > > -- > Casey Brown > Cbrown1023 > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] January 15 retro?
"Believe it or not, there was no alcohol served at this event" LOL _____ *Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484* 2011/1/12 Delphine Ménard > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > > Please tell that exist a video of wikipedians singing this song!! XD > > Yep > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDT4s6yLwvg > > :D > > This was hilarious. > > Delphine > > > -- > @notafish > > NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get > lost. > Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - > http://blog.notanendive.org > Photos with simple eyes: notaphoto - http://photo.notafish.org > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege
> > *The closest thing that i found to my proposal is what happens in the > Portuguese Wikipedia, which has the "Deleters" group (it has a lovely name > in Portuguese - "Eliminadores"). > * Well, in Portuguese Wikipédia we don't want to spit the adm flag to destroy it. We are only give the chance to someone who only wants to do a part of the Administrator work can help the community without have to pass for all process of be a administrator. What you propose is create a "protector", a "blocker" and a "Media Wiki editor" to go with the "Deleters" group and exting the adm flag. That was never in discussion in pt.wiki _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* 2011/1/15 Amir E. Aharoni > 2011/1/15 geni : > > On 15 January 2011 15:26, Amir E. Aharoni > wrote: > > > >> Now, fight. > > > > First review the discussion that has already taken place at WT:RFA > > I suppose that you refer to the English Wikipedia. This list is about > more than just the English Wikipedia. > > Before writing that proposal i reviewed many, many pages of "RFA is > broken" discussions not just in the English Wikipedia, but in Hebrew, > Russian and Catalan ones, too. Nowhere have i found a proposal to dump > the concept of adminship completely and to split it into several > roles, although i admit that i didn't read all the archives through. > The closest thing that i found to my proposal is what happens in the > Portuguese Wikipedia, which has the "Deleters" group (it has a lovely > name in Portuguese - "Eliminadores"). > > The discussions that i did read say that RfA *process* is broken > because the questions are repetitive, because the nominees are not > required to identify themselves, because there's no provisional > adminship, because the desysopping process is dysfunctional, because > the bureaucrats' cabal decides whatever it wants without regard to > discussion etc. > > I say that that the "A" in RFA shouldn't exist. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia
I did what he ask: http://fr.wikiwix.com/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial%3ARecherche&redirs=1&action=sex&fulltext=Search&searchengineselect=wikiwix&ns0=1 But note that now you are not anymore in french wikipedia, but in Wikiwix. And we can't control what they put on their site. _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* 2011/1/21 Nathan > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:52 PM, F.-F. Duron wrote: > > No, it's not a mirror site. This french start-up is making all its > business > > with Wikipedia. This company has a cache system and some kind of search > > engine that are both integrated by default in the french Wikipedia. I > don't > > know if other Wikipedias use it. > > > > Try doing a search on the word "sex" in Wikipedia fr ( > > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recherche ) with the option > "Wikiwix". > > You will see ads related to porn sites, escort girl sites (!!), > viagra > > > > Well, it's certainly a good deal for this start-up... But how is that > > possible?? > > > > Such partnership is simply... unbelievable. > > > > I performed the search you suggested (here is the link: > > http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial%3ARecherche&redirs=0&search=sex+wikiwix&fulltext=Search&searchengineselect=mediawiki&ns0=1 > ) > and did not find any advertisements. Perhaps you are mistaken? > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia
There are no such thing as a "partnership" whit Wikiwix (or Google, Exalead, Bing and Yahoo). They are there only to improve the results of a search in case you don't find anything in Wikipedia. _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* 2011/1/21 F.-F. Duron > Yes, but maybe you can control the partnerships you're making! Wikipedia is > one of the most visited websites in the world. Don't you think there is a > problem here?? > > 2011/1/21 Béria Lima > > > I did what he ask: > > > > > http://fr.wikiwix.com/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial%3ARecherche&redirs=1&action=sex&fulltext=Search&searchengineselect=wikiwix&ns0=1 > > > > But note that now you are not anymore in french wikipedia, but in > Wikiwix. > > And we can't control what they put on their site. > > _ > > *Béria Lima* > > Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt/> > > (351) 963 953 042 > > > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > > livre > > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a > > fazer.* > > > > > > 2011/1/21 Nathan > > > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:52 PM, F.-F. Duron > wrote: > > > > No, it's not a mirror site. This french start-up is making all its > > > business > > > > with Wikipedia. This company has a cache system and some kind of > search > > > > engine that are both integrated by default in the french Wikipedia. I > > > don't > > > > know if other Wikipedias use it. > > > > > > > > Try doing a search on the word "sex" in Wikipedia fr ( > > > > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recherche ) with the option > > > "Wikiwix". > > > > You will see ads related to porn sites, escort girl sites (!!), > > > viagra > > > > > > > > Well, it's certainly a good deal for this start-up... But how is that > > > > possible?? > > > > > > > > Such partnership is simply... unbelievable. > > > > > > > > > > I performed the search you suggested (here is the link: > > > > > > > > > http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial%3ARecherche&redirs=0&search=sex+wikiwix&fulltext=Search&searchengineselect=mediawiki&ns0=1 > > > ) > > > and did not find any advertisements. Perhaps you are mistaken? > > > > > > ___ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] New York Times - Gender gap on Wikipedia.
Hi There are that text by Kat Walsh too: http://www.mindspillage.org/wiki/Women_on_Wikipedia _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* 2011/1/31 theo10011 > Hi > > I saw this article in the New York Times today. In case other's missed it, > here's a link. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/31/business/media/31link.html?ref=media > > > > Regards > > > > User:Theo10011 > Salmaan Haroon > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes
Gerard, a girl posting here, not anymore a "male" discussion ;) *Lodewijk and Thomas: so why change it to something causing problems all > over the place, not only technical ones?* > Why? Maybe to call a girl by her real gender. The problems you both listed are not real problems. The male version is only used if you don't know the gender. But all wikimedia know that Sue (for example) is a girl, so why we still need to see a male word in her "user" page? *Lodewijk: **Gerard, this wouldn't really help to attract more new female > users. * > Could you please tell me why? I can set my preferences to "male" or "female", but i can't see my "user" page with my real gender. And yes, that is a matter of choice, you can say that not every girl will like to be called "usuária" or Gebruikster" or "Benutzerin", but if you guys change the MediaWiki they can have the power to chose. And right now we don't have that, do we? *Austin: Like with many European languages, the masculine is the default and > feminine suffixes are added only for emphasis, which is pretty > anti-feminist, and it doesn't help that the feminine forms are related to or > even the same as the diminutive forms.* > Anti feminist and partenalist is see several guys deciding what we want or don't want in our user pages. We are not here to change French or German grammar, if the feminine is made by adding a sufix, is a local language problem (btw, in portuguese, the male version is also a "sufix", so is "usuári*o* / usuári*a*). Again here we are not change grammar, we are only talking about give girls the "possibility" to be called by the right form in the MediaWiki system. *Austin: **It seems more like an individual preference to me.* > It is a individual preference. But a preference you people don't seems to want us to decide if we want of not. _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer. * 2011/2/13 Austin Hair > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Lodewijk > wrote: > > And do you want it to be implemented :) But that question is to be > > answered on a community level of course - but I guess there are a few > > potential reasons why they might not want to implement it: > [...] > > * Although grammatically correct, I would find "gebruikster" in Dutch > > very weird - because it is rarely used it would put a huge emphasis on > > the fact that someone is female - this will depend per language. > > In English, of course, "Userette" would be even worse, being totally > contrived. > > Like with many European languages, the masculine is the default and > feminine suffixes are added only for emphasis, which is pretty > anti-feminist, and it doesn't help that the feminine forms are related > to or even the same as the diminutive forms. And so we're > systematically eliminating words like "stewardess" and "usherette." > (Though we've introduced new forms like "chairwoman" and "gentlelady," > so we're not exactly consistent.) > > As I understand it, the Dutch word for "secretary" has two different > connotations based on the gender applied. "Secretaris" is more like > "UN General Secretary," while "secretaresse" is "someone who does your > typing and gets you coffee." I don't tink Dutch is unique in that. > > > * I'm no expert in the field, but I can imagine some issues around > > transgender people > > Not touching that one, but yes. > > > etc. I would be a supporter of making it possible for a community to > > make this choice, but I would not like us to make that choice for > > them. > > I would have taken this for granted, but I don't think it's a strictly > linguistic issue, and I'm not sure it's even something that should be > determined on a wiki-by-wiki basis. It seems more like an individual > preference to me. > > Austin > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes
No Momo, your user page will be User:Mono as always. _ *Béria Lima (Beh) (351) 925 171 484* 2011/2/13 The Mono > So my user page would be at Male:Mono or Man:Mono? > > On Sunday, February 13, 2011, Lodewijk > wrote: > > To be absolutely clear: I am not against the feature, I am just > > against applying it to every user that indicated his/her gender > > without asking. Up to now (afaik) the male/female setting was only > > used for communication *to* the user: that is private. To turn on > > suddenly a feature that shows this also explicitely to the outside > > world is a whole different thing. > > > > Also, in some languages the difference between male/female maybe exist > > if you search hard (like Dutch), but are not commonly used (like > > gebruikster - I never ever heard that being used in common > > conversations). I am just saying that we should not force these > > changes on communities and groups of people without consulting them. > > They know their language best and how common the term is, how it comes > > across culturally etc. The fact that a term exists doesnt mean we > > should use it. I also agree with Austin that it should be even better > > to determine it as well on a personal level. But I would make it a two > > level choice: first the community should decide to turn it on in the > > first place in their wiki, then the user should decide to turn it on > > in their individual case. > > > > Lodewijk > > > > 2011/2/13 Austin Hair : > >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Béria Lima > wrote: > >>>> Lodewijk: Gerard, this wouldn't really help to attract more new female > >>>> users. > >>> > >>> Could you please tell me why? I can set my preferences to "male" or > >>> "female", but i can't see my "user" page with my real gender. And yes, > that > >>> is a matter of choice, you can say that not every girl will like to be > >>> called "usuária" or Gebruikster" or "Benutzerin", but if you guys > change the > >>> MediaWiki they can have the power to chose. And right now we don't have > >>> that, do we? > >> > >> I won't speak for Lodewijk, but what I understood him to mean was that > >> you wouldn't know about the feature until you've already created an > >> account, so it doesn't *attract* them. One might argue that it helps > >> *keep* them, but that's a different matter. > >> > >>>> Austin: Like with many European languages, the masculine is the > default > >>>> and feminine suffixes are added only for emphasis, which is pretty > >>>> anti-feminist, and it doesn't help that the feminine forms are related > to or > >>>> even the same as the diminutive forms. > >>> > >>> Anti feminist and partenalist is see several guys deciding what we want > or > >>> don't want in our user pages. We are not here to change French or > German > >>> grammar, if the feminine is made by adding a sufix, is a local language > >>> problem (btw, in portuguese, the male version is also a "sufix", so is > >>> "usuário / usuária). Again here we are not change grammar, we are only > >>> talking about give girls the "possibility" to be called by the right > form in > >>> the MediaWiki system. > >>> > >>>> Austin: It seems more like an individual preference to me. > >>> > >>> It is a individual preference. But a preference you people don't seems > to > >>> want us to decide if we want of not. > >> > >> I think you misunderstand me. I think it *should* be an individual > >> preference. What I argue against is making that decision for everyone. > >> Lodewijk is worried about making that decision for communities whose > >> linguistic and/or cultural norms might be different; I take it one > >> step further and say the individual should be able to do that, if it's > >> to be done at all. > >> > >> (And as long as we're picking nits: I don't speak Portuguese, but I do > >> speak Spanish, so I'm guessing that one male user and three female > >> users are still collectively usuários?) > >> > >> But back to your first point: > >> > >>>> Lodewijk and Thomas: so why change it to something causing problems > all > >>>> over the place, not only technica
Re: [Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes
I have one:
I want you to tell me WHY is easy make a female noob will be able to use
javascript, templates and redirects than click in one button and say "I'm a
girl".
MediaWiki is full of things since forever. The software will not broke
because one more feature.
____
*Béria Lima (Beh)
(351) 925 171 484*
2011/2/14 Ryan Lomonaco
> Rather than implementing MediaWiki code that could be controversial,
> there's
> probably an easier solution that requires no code:
>
> - Add a pseudo-namespace (such as the WP: prefix on Wikipedia, WN: on
> Wikinews, etc.) that forwards from Benutzerin to Benutzer (and the relevant
> User talk namespaces). This would mean that either Benutzer or Benutzerin
> would successfully link to one's user pages.
>
> - Let users add a template to their user and talk pages that changes the
> title of the page from Benutzer to Benutzerin. This could be easily done
> using the magic word {{DISPLAYTITLE}} and possibly JavaScript to modify the
> user/user talk links at the top of the page.
>
> This has the benefits of not adding more code to MediaWiki, not requiring
> users to choose their gender unless they want to, and ensuring that if
> someone doesn't know whether I'm male or female, they can get to my user
> page without having to guess.
>
> It would obviously be a decision for communities to make, but if there were
> consensus to do it, I'm pretty sure that it could easily be done this way.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: Re: Do WMF want enwp.org?]
I preffer wp.org (if is possible) to make internationalization easier. So to en.wiki would be "en.wp.org", de.wiki "de.wp.org" and etc. _ *Béria Lima (Beh) * 2011/2/16 Moka Pantages > > > > > > Original Message Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Do WMF > > want enwp.org? Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:58:37 -0500 From: aude > >Reply-To: Wikimedia > > Foundation Mailing List < > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> To: > > Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List < > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:37 PM, Thomas Wang < > tl-lo...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > If WMF want enwp.org I will gladly hand it over. > > > > > > > Thank you for running this service! I use it all the time for including > > wikipedia links in Twitter. > > > > It would be nice if it was officially supported by WMF or you were given > > resources necessary to maintain the service. > > > > > Hi, Thomas! > > Really appreciate the offer! We've been talking about this for a few months > now; it's a great tool used by a lot of us here. We'll talk to a few folks > from the tech team and see how they can help. > > Thanks again! > > Cheers, > Moka > > > > > Cheers, > > Katie (@aude) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Thomas > > > > > > ___ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing listfoundatio...@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > -- > Cheers, > Moka > > Moka Pantages > 415.839.6885 x 635 > @moka > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] multilingual mailing list
There are at least one "multilingual mailing list": Iberocoop<https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/wiki/Iberocoop>mailing list[1], when people can write in Portuguese, Spanish or Italian. [1]: https://listas.wikimedia.org.ar/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/iberocoop _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/3/15 Lodewijk > Hi Milos, > > thanks for your attempt - it is appreciated :) I think you grasped it > well, and I can imagine that a native Serbian speaker has more trouble > with Dutch than a native English speaker. But yeah, probably neither > of you would be able to understand it fully. > > My last sentence was referring to the fact that spelling mistakes > suddenly have much larger consequence when you are using translation > devices. There is no "did you mean" option, the word will just remain > untranslated. It was no important remark, but rather a short comment > and actually useful when you *don't* want others to understand you ;-) > > Lodewijk > > 2011/3/15 : > > > > > >> Fra: Milos Rancic > >> Til: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List > >> > >> Dato: Tir, 15. mar 2011 04:19 > >> Emne: Re: [Foundation-l] multilingual mailing list > >> > >> 2011/3/14 Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org [mailto: > lodew...@effeietsanders.org]: > >> > >> > >> > Het enige lastige van meertalige lijsten is dat spelfouten ineens > >> veel > >> > grotere consequenties hebben. > >> > >> If Google Translator has given the right sentence structure, this > >> sentence is not so structurally complex. However, translation is not > >> guessable. May you word your sentence in some other way? (Translation > >> is: The only tricky multilingual spelling lists is that suddenly many > >> greater consequences. ) > >> > >> * * * > > > > My guess based on a certain knowledge of "European" language would be, > > that "spelfoutens" means spelling faults. They are inded an additional > > problem for machine translators :-) > > Regards, > > Sir48/Thyge > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Not working as an WMFR employee anymore
Hi Bastien, As I said in a mail to bastien.gu...@wikimedia.fr (now i understand you probably don't got that mail), I'm really sad to hear that you are leaving WMFR, and want to say thank you for all your wonderful work all this time (I know you probably read that a lot this days from WMFR people). I'm hoping to see you in Wikipedia and related projects, and would love to work with you in the future. Good lucky to your new projects, _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/3/18 Bastien Guerry > Dear all, > > it's now official: I'm no longer working as an employee of Wikimédia > France. > > Please don't use bastien.gue...@wikimedia.fr anymore, use b...@gnu.org > or b...@altern.org instead. > > This year has been hectic: I coordinated the WMFR/Toulouse partnership, > organized the GLAMWIKI:Fr conference in Paris, and I helped the chapter > as much as I could about its daily tasks. > > A big THANK to all wikimedians and wikipedians from all over the world > who helped me understand the Wikimedia projects, their communities and > the global mouvement. It was a great experience. > > Good luck to the new WMFR board and to its future employees. > > The good news is that I'm now allowed to edit the project, and I hope I > will contribute there. > > Best, > > -- > Bastien > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] keeping localization in mind
Well, Amir, correct if i'm wrong. Ryan, what he is saying is that all we translate is 100% (or 90% in some cases) focused in English spoken world (in some cases only in USA). Which is good for you to read, but for us - with differents languages and complete differents cultures - create many translations / understanding problems. We are not asking to remove all english references, only to think a little bit more in how things can be understand by "no english" readers. _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/3/23 Ryan Kaldari > On 3/23/11 6:17 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: > > ==WikiLove, Twinkle and Huggle== > > Sue mentions the WikiLove gadget in her letter. To the best of my > > knowledge WikiLove only works in the English Wikipedia, but the letter > > invites all readers to use it. Believe it or not, some Wikipedias > > don't even have barnstars. > > All of these gadgets, including Wikilove, exist in other languages. Not > mentioning them because they haven't been ported to every language would > be a bit extreme. I also don't really understand your point about > linking to 'Eternal September'. You say that you aren't suggesting that > people not link to English Wikipedia, but then what is the point of your > argument? Are you suggesting that we pre-translate every linked article > into all 269 languages and then protect them all as well? Obviously that > isn't very practical. > > Ryan Kaldari > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] please announce translations earlier
> > * It's true that the translation request wasn't officially opened until > March 10, but that still left two full weeks to translate.* > Good for people who have nothing more to do. For people like us who have others things to do (like work and college), two weeks is not that much time - even less if you are translating that on your own. Another good thing to do for futures requests is do it from Translatewiki (is easier translate there than in meta) _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/3/23 Casey Brown > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Amir E. Aharoni > wrote: > > How much earlier should it be? I did Sue's letter mostly by myself and > > it took me two full days. That's right: two full days. It was > > announced two days in advance, so i spent an entire weekend doing it. > > I'm a hopeless Internet geek, but i do like to take a walk in the park > > every now and then. > > I definitely think that the letter was way too rushed, but that is not > the norm. I can also understand the desire to try to be transparent > and post notifications as soon as possible, so that's a different > case. Keep in mind, though, that the banners weren't put up for the > languages we were missing translations from until a few days later... > so there was definitely more time than just "two days". > > > As for the Editors survey, there are several > > people working on the Hebrew translation of that gargantuan page and > > we still haven't finished. > > I understand that it's a lot, and I really appreciate how hard you > guys have been working on it (I've been watching your progress). > However, I'm not sure it's really fair to say that there wasn't enough > time. The workspace was originally created on March 1, more than > three weeks before the due date. It's true that the translation > request wasn't officially opened until March 10, but that still left > two full weeks to translate. > > It's also important to keep in mind that the majority of the > translation requests are not needed immediately. Most of the pages, > such as the ones on WikimediaFoundation.org can be done at your > leisure. > > For the other requests, we *are* cognizant of the fact that people > have lives and even if a translation might only take two hours to do, > it might be hard for you to find two hours in a row to actually do it > right away. We do try to give as much time as possible. > > -- > Casey Brown > Cbrown1023 > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager
> > However it is hard to imagine an ideal second language that is not > European; only Arabic is spoken by a large diverse population with internet > access. > Hindi and Japanese (chinese too but not all of they have internet acess) ;) _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/4/15 Fred Bauder > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:36, wrote: > >> In a message dated 4/5/2011 6:08:21 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > >> bnewst...@wikimedia.org writes: > >>> Another quick note on the Movement Communications Manager posting that > >>> we > >>> are hoping to fill at WMF. We have a number of applicants, but very, > >>> very > >>> few are from the Wikimedia community. We would really love to fill > >>> this > >>> role > >>> with a strong Wikimedian, so if you are interested or know someone who > >>> may > >>> be interested, please apply or reach out to Jay Walsh or myself. > >>> > >>> > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Job_openings/Movement_Communications_Manager > >>> > >> The job is written in such a narrow way that it's not very likely > >> you're > >> going to get many candidates from within the community sorry. > >> You want someone with a communications degree, who is a native English > >> speaker, can also communicate in a non-English language, and has > >> experience in > >> CSS, and templates, and Wikimedia projects in general. > > > > I understood that they wanted someone who was ideally *not* a native > > English speaker. That was something that concerned me when I read it, > > because it looked as if the intention was to disadvantage applicants > > who had English as a first language. Or did I misunderstand it? > > > > "Demonstrated ability to work (speak, read, write at a professional > > level) effectively in a language other than English (ideally as a > > native speaker)" > > English speakers and Europeans generally, such as you and I, dominate > most Wikimedia conversations. I doubt anyone could function in this > position if they didn't understand English, but our hope is to get the > rest of the world involved. > > However it is hard to imagine an ideal second language that is not > European; only Arabic is spoken by a large diverse population with > internet access. > > Fred > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager
Is not a Bias Sarah. Anyone can apply, but they have to know english (if not as 1º language as 2º one) and another language (if english is the 1º one). If this person is american, chinese, brazilian or african (i imagine) that really don't care _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/4/15 Sarah > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:42, Fred Bauder wrote: > >> I understood that they wanted someone who was ideally *not* a native > >> English speaker. That was something that concerned me when I read it, > >> because it looked as if the intention was to disadvantage applicants > >> who had English as a first language. Or did I misunderstand it? > >> > >> "Demonstrated ability to work (speak, read, write at a professional > >> level) effectively in a language other than English (ideally as a > >> native speaker)" > > > > English speakers and Europeans generally, such as you and I, dominate > > most Wikimedia conversations. I doubt anyone could function in this > > position if they didn't understand English, but our hope is to get the > > rest of the world involved. > > > > However it is hard to imagine an ideal second language that is not > > European; only Arabic is spoken by a large diverse population with > > internet access. > > > Is that kind of bias against national origin allowed when hiring? > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager
And no English speaker is able to learn a second language? _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/4/15 Sarah > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 13:07, Béria Lima wrote: > > Is not a Bias Sarah. Anyone can apply, but they have to know english (if > not > > as 1º language as 2º one) and another language (if english is the 1º > one). > > If this person is american, chinese, brazilian or african (i imagine) > that > > really don't care > > _ > > *Béria Lima* > > <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 > > It doesn't say that, Béria. It seems to say that, ideally, the > successful applicant will not have English as a first language, i.e. > will not be from most of Canada, the United States, Australia, New > Zealand, England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Barbados, Trinidad and > Tobago, and several more. > > That rules out a huge number of Wikimedians (most, in fact) just > because of their birthplace and culture. > > The ad says: "Demonstrated ability to work (speak, read, write at a > professional level) effectively in a language other than English > (ideally as a native speaker)" > > Sarah > > > > 2011/4/15 Sarah > > > >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:42, Fred Bauder > wrote: > >> >> I understood that they wanted someone who was ideally *not* a native > >> >> English speaker. That was something that concerned me when I read it, > >> >> because it looked as if the intention was to disadvantage applicants > >> >> who had English as a first language. Or did I misunderstand it? > >> >> > >> >> "Demonstrated ability to work (speak, read, write at a professional > >> >> level) effectively in a language other than English (ideally as a > >> >> native speaker)" > >> > > >> > English speakers and Europeans generally, such as you and I, dominate > >> > most Wikimedia conversations. I doubt anyone could function in this > >> > position if they didn't understand English, but our hope is to get the > >> > rest of the world involved. > >> > > >> > However it is hard to imagine an ideal second language that is not > >> > European; only Arabic is spoken by a large diverse population with > >> > internet access. > >> > > >> Is that kind of bias against national origin allowed when hiring? > >> > >> ___ > >> foundation-l mailing list > >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > >> > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Plea for candidates: WMF Movement Communications Manager
I don't see how can be discriminative Sarah. I (and all no english speaker here) needed to - at some point of their lifes - start to study a second language. We all have problems to speak in a language we are not native and had to spent years to be good in it. The ad forces us to speak one specific language. I.e., if i'm fluent (I'm not) in Portuguese, German, French, Spanish, Italian, Arabic and Japanese but don't speak english, i can't apply. The only thing required for english speaker is be able to talk in other language (*any *language). How that can be discrimative? _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/4/15 Sarah > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 13:29, Risker wrote: > > On 15 April 2011 15:17, Sarah wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 13:07, Béria Lima wrote: > >> > Is not a Bias Sarah. Anyone can apply, but they have to know english > (if > >> not > >> > as 1º language as 2º one) and another language (if english is the 1º > >> one). > >> > If this person is american, chinese, brazilian or african (i imagine) > >> that > >> > really don't care > >> > _ > >> > *Béria Lima* > >> > <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 > >> > >> It doesn't say that, Béria. It seems to say that, ideally, the > >> successful applicant will not have English as a first language, i.e. > >> will not be from most of Canada, the United States, Australia, New > >> Zealand, England, Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Barbados, Trinidad and > >> Tobago, and several more. > >> > >> That rules out a huge number of Wikimedians (most, in fact) just > >> because of their birthplace and culture. > >> > >> The ad says: "Demonstrated ability to work (speak, read, write at a > >> professional level) effectively in a language other than English > >> (ideally as a native speaker)" > >> > >> > > Not quite sure where you're coming from there. Today I've interacted > with > > about 60 professional colleagues. They're all Canadians but I'd venture > to > > guess that at least a third would consider themselves native speakers of > at > > least one other language. > > Not sure what you mean, Risker. The point is that the ad is > discriminating against people who are native English speakers, i.e. > because of their origins and culture. The question is whether that's > allowed under whatever employment legislation governs the hiring. And > law apart, it seems unfair. > > Sarah > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Picture of the Year 2010 global notice and translation
crossposting to Translators-I _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/4/22 Philippe Beaudette > I'm copying here what I sent to Mono privately as well, but also saying > this: I'm not sure a semi-final round is necessarily the best use for the > Centralnotice tool. Even the Board of Trustees only gets one round > advertised... > > My comments to Mono: > *Mono, > > I'm curious about the reasoning for 200 edits requirement to vote. > > I get it for Board elections or Arbcom those people are electing > representatives who effectively legislate on their behalf. > > But why, for the best picture, do we have to have a suffrage requirement > higher than about 10? > > I've had one complaint already. I note one on the contest's talk page. > > This seems to be at odds with your stated goal of increasing participation. > > pb > * > > ___ > Philippe Beaudette > Head of Reader Relations > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > 415-839-6885, x 6643 (office) > > phili...@wikimedia.org > > > > On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Mono mium wrote: > > > Hello, I'm Mono on the Wikimedia Commons. > > > > > > I'm helping to > > organize< > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Picture_of_the_Year/2010/Committee> > > of > > the Fifth Annual Wikimedia Commons Picture of the > > Year<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/COM:POTY/2010>. > > In case you haven't heard about it, it's a contest where the featured > > pictures selected from 2010 on the Wikimedia Commons are voted upon by > the > > community. Last year, a great deal of users participated, however, the > > Wikimedia community landscape has changed, as many of our newer editors > > aren't used to the Commons and haven't ever seen POTY play out. We'd like > > to > > see an increase in participation from around our projects. > > > > Because of this, I feel that it would be appropriate to post a global > > notice > > for logged-in editors during the competition (there are two rounds; each > > one > > lasts about a week) to encourage the broader community to participate. > The > > general consensus is that non-fundraising banners require community > > consensus, so I'd like to get some feedback. > > > > Finally, I would like to be the first to invite you to participate in the > > contest...it is expected to occur in early May. Hopefully, you'll see a > > global notice announcing the start of Round 1. Until then, the contest is > > looking for help translating several messages into different languages > over > > at the translation > > page< > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Picture_of_the_Year/2010/Translations > > > > > . > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Mono > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] Winner of the Wiki Loves Monuments Logo Contest
Congrats Lusitana :D _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/4/30 Delphine Ménard > Hello all, > > The contest has now come to an end, with more than 30 logos in > competitions, and many votes to choose the logo. > > The winner of the competition is: > > Piece of puzzle monument 2 > by User:Lusitana > > Which can be seen here: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LUSITANA_WLM_2011_d.svg > > There were lots of good logos, and some came close second, notably: > YATL – Yet another tower logo > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiki_loves_monuments_logo_contest_elya.svg > > Somewhat hand drawn heartish - Compact > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sertion_-_WikiLoves_Monuments_-_Compact.svg > > All vote results can be found on this page: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Logo_contest/Submissions > > > I want to thank everyone who participated, both in designing great > logos, and in voting for choosing the best logo. There were tons of > ideas in there, and some I am sure can be used again throughout the > Wiki Loves Monuments competition. > > Cheers, > > Delphine > > -- > @notafish > > NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get > lost. > Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - > http://blog.notanendive.org > Photos with simple eyes: notaphoto - http://photo.notafish.org > > ___ > Commons-l mailing list > common...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/commons-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Portugal annual reports (2009 and 2010)
Hi everyone, Allow us to present our first annual reports (2009 and 2010). It took us quite a bit to compile, but from now on we plan to release reports much more often (we're thinking each 3 months). Here they are: - http://wikimedia.pt/Relat%C3%B3rio_Anual_2009 - http://wikimedia.pt/Relat%C3%B3rio_Anual_2010 They are in Portuguese only, but we plan to translate them during the next few weeks. And add images also :D We also just started a blog at http://blog.wikimedia.pt, from where we'll broadcast these reports. And of course, we'll link to them from meta also. Cheers, _____ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Commons as an art gallery?
I would like to question something: Why you people are not discussing that in commons? Because here people can give opinions, in Gendergap mailing list too, but the people who can actually change the policy are the commons editors. So, is not better spend all that talk in the wiki? _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/5/16 Andreas Kolbe > Neil posted the following on Commons-l* and asked for it to be > cross-posted here: -- > > * See http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-May/006038.html > * Also see > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/commons-l/2011-May/006036.html for a > longer post by Neil on the image > > > ---o0o--- > > On 5/16/11 5:40 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > > This is really a Foundation topic though. Are projects' main pages there > to > > showcase Wikimedians' fine art? > > No. This is a non-issue. > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Project_scope#Must_be_realistically_useful_for_an_educational_purpose > > "Examples of files that are not realistically useful for an educational > purpose: [...] >* Self-created artwork without obvious educational use." > > QED. > > Someone else cross-post this to Foundation-L... I have assiduously > avoided subscribing there and don't plan to now. > > > -- > Neil Kandalgaonkar ( ) > > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Commons as an art gallery?
well, you are not the only talking in my talk page, so i imaged my opinion would be useless :P But in this case, i will go there answer you people. _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/5/16 Andreas Kolbe > --- On Mon, 16/5/11, Béria Lima wrote: > > > I would like to question something: > > > > Why you people are not discussing that in commons? Because > > here people > > can give opinions, in Gendergap mailing list too, but the > > people who can > > actually change the policy are the commons editors. > > > > So, is not better spend all that talk in the wiki? > > > I've been discussing it on your Commons talk page for the past four hours, > but you're not replying. Would you like to suggest somewhere else? > > Andreas > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Internal-l] "Worthy Online Resource, but Global Cultural Treasure?" (The New York Times)
cross-posting _ *Béria Lima* Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt> (351) 963 953 042 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.* 2011/5/23 Steven Walling > Interesting press with direct link to ten.wikipedia.org. :-) Nice work > Wikimedia Deutschland! > > Worthy Online Resource, but Global Cultural Treasure? > By Kevin J. O'Brien > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/23/technology/23wikipedia.html?_r=1&hpw=&pagewanted=all > > BERLIN — In its 10 years of existence, Wikipedia, the global online > encyclopedia, has amassed an archive of 18 million entries in 279 languages. > It is one of the 10 most popular Web sites on the Internet. > > But is the volunteer-driven data depository an endangered world cultural > treasure worthy of protection, like French cuisine, the Argentine tango or > the Grand Canyon? > > That is the long-shot bet being made by Wikipedia, which plans to begin a > global petition drive Tuesday to earn a spot on one of the world heritage > lists of the U.N. Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization. > > The bid, the first by a digital entity for a place on a Unesco list, will > no doubt be controversial among heritage professionals advising Unesco, who > tend to view online innovation as lacking the necessary effect or maturity > for listing. > > “Heritage professionals tend to be rather conservative types, or they > wouldn’t choose this kind of occupation,” said Britta Rudolff, a heritage > consultant who teaches on the subject at the Brandenburg University of > Technology in Cottbus, Germany. “They like to play with the past, and > something only a decade old is going to face challenges.” > > The idea of landing Wikipedia on a Unesco world heritage list came out of > Germany, where volunteers have produced 1.2 million entries, second only to > the number in English. Wikipedia’s German overseer, a Berlin nonprofit > called Wikimedia, proposed the idea in March to Wikipedia chapters at a > global conference in the German capital. > > The reception was enthusiastic, said a Wikipedia co-founder, Jimmy Wales. > > “The basic idea is to recognize that Wikipedia is this amazing global > cultural phenomena that has transformed the lives of hundreds of thousands > of people,” Mr. Wales said in an interview. He said the online encyclopedia > had helped educate people around the world, providing a wealth of basic > facts, background information and key context. > > Mr. Wales also said that one aim of the petition drive — supporters can > register at a special Web page, Wikipedia 10 — is to raise awareness of > Wikipedia. > > “Of course, part of what we are trying to do is promote the idea of > Wikipedia as a cultural phenomenon,” Mr. Wales said. “Too often, people > think about us purely in terms of technology, when this is about culture, > high tech and learning.” > > Wikipedia is hoping to earn a place on Unesco’s most prestigious list, the > World Heritage List, which so far includes only historic monuments and > natural sites like the Great Barrier Reef and the Great Wall of China. > Failing that, Wikipedia could aim for Unesco’s Intangible Cultural Heritage > List, a lesser-known directory that includes endangered traditions and > practices, like flamenco. > > Getting Wikipedia on either list will be an uphill battle. It will have to > negotiate a complicated approval process and overcome the skeptical regard > of Unesco and heritage consultants to be considered for recognition. Susan > Williams, the head of external media relations at Unesco in Paris, said a > bid by a digital entity like Wikipedia would be unprecedented. > > “Anyone can apply,” said Ms. Williams, who added that she was not aware of > Wikipedia’s plans. “But it may have difficulty fulfilling the criteria.” > > One of the criteria for inclusion, she said, is that the culture or > practice be endangered. > > She said that Wikipedia might consider applying for a third, even less > known honor, the Unesco Memory of the World Register list, which recognizes > valuable archive holdings and library collections. That list, however, lacks > the prestige of the others, which are funded more generously and promoted > more assiduously by Unesco and its member countries. > > Mr. Wales said Wikipedia was hoping to set off a debate over the role of > digital innovation in world culture. While Wikipedia, which allows anyone to > write or edit entries, has had problems with accuracy and plagiarism, the > organization has worked to improve its editorial controls and to help people > in repressive or less affluent societies. > > In Iran
Re: [Foundation-l] No rights to participate
Only a info: V.A.P. Machado was not banned from pt.wiki because "people does not like him". He was at frist banned from edit project and talk pages[1] due a ArbCom decision[2], but that could be revise each year[2]. Instead of change his behaivor he created a meat/sock puppet[3] and, since the ArbCom decision says that if he created a sock he would be banned for real, this time he was banned[4]. _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** [1]: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:AbuseFilter/history/29/diff/prev/262<http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Especial:AbuseFilter/history/29/item/160> [2]: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2009-09-01_Virg%C3%ADlio_A._P._Machado [3]: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Pedidos_a_verificadores/Arquivo/2010/04#Carmo_Cunha [4]: http://pt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Especial:Registo&type=block&page=Usuário%3AVapmachado 2011/5/25 Fred Bauder > > > > > "That does not mean that there are not isolated > > cases of injustice. Such users need to patiently > > and persistently bring their situation to the attention of the > > community." Fred > > > > Could some "consensus" be reached on this matter? > > > > 6) Fred Bauder might also be willing to fill you > > with the details of how extremely helpful he has > > been to me. Permission is granted to make public > > all my e-mail messages to him, showing my appreciation for his good > > deeds. > > > > Any further questions? > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Virgilio A. P. Machado > > The underlying dispute is on the Portuguese Wikipedia. > > Fred > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] The Wikipedia-Ready Essay
> > *If you refer to any Brazilian native language edition of Wikipedia, may > you specify? > * Milos, There not such thing as "brazilian Wikipédia". The wikipédia he is talking abut is pt.wikipedia.org. Why he call it "Brazilian" is better ask him. _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/6/1 Milos Rancic > On 06/01/2011 02:58 AM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote: > > Now that my attention has been drawn to that section, I wonder if > > that explains why the academic projects were not welcome and their > > contributions are being vandalized, almost systematically, at the > > Brazilian Wikipedia. > > If you refer to any Brazilian native language edition of Wikipedia, may > you specify? > > If you refer to Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia, Language committee still > doesn't allow BCP 47 language tags. We are allowing just ISO 639-1 > alpha-2 and ISO 639-3 alpha-3 language tags, which shouldn't be confused > with ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 codes for countries. > > If that's true, that means that someone has opened new project without > following regular procedure. That's serious problem. May you, please, > point to the project, so we could know if it is about abusing technical > permissions or about some other, more serious issue? > > If that's true, I would like to thank you to pointing to very serious > problem inside of Wikimedia. I would also like to thank you for pointing > how harmful is not following the rules in the sense of opening new > projects. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
And you complain about the violation of your privacy posting the private mail in a public list? _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/6/2 Huib Laurens > Okay, > > Than we have a problem here, > > User Silverspoon publiced a e-mail I send to OTRS in a channel. > > This e-mail (http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/SS%20temp.jpg) is a e-mail I > sended to OTRS to release content. This e-mail was paste on pastebin to > discuss in a public IRC channel ( > http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/ss%20temp2.jpg), > > Silverspoon told me he had the information from user:FreakyFries. I tried > to > make a complaint by Guillom, the OTRS admin and he says he doesn't give a > fuck. (http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/ss%20temp3.jpg) > > At this moment I believe my privacy has been abbused by linking me to a > website in a private channel, I would like to see what the foundation > thinks > about this since the person in charge thinks its perfectly normal to > publish > private e-mails. > > Best, > > Huib > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
Again, if you are complaining about a violation of your privacy don't post private info in a public list. _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/6/2 Huib Laurens > A screenshot SilverSpoon placed online about this: > > http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/3260/10minutes.png > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
he is not the only adm in the world Huib. If you are so troubled about that, send a mail to OTRS adms (in plural) in private. Make the private data public here does not help your case. _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/6/2 Huib Laurens > I'm complaining here because the OTRS Admin doesn't give a fuck. So there > is > a option to leave it and let it go, or come to here,. > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
New problem: Silverspoon in not an OTRS member. So he don't have access to OTRS mails. _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/> (351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/6/2 Mono mium > Hi there, > > I believe all data sent to OTRS is covered by the Wikimedia Foundation > privacy policy. It should be treated as sensitive, however, by posting to > this publicly read and archived mailing list, it seems that the data > revealed was not sensitive. I agree that this is unacceptable behavior for > OTRS agents. > > You can ask for this thread to be removed from the mailing list history by > a > list admin. I've also forwarded this to the Wikimedia Foundation legal > department as they will probably be interested in this. > > Mono > > *My response follows your message below:* > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Huib Laurens wrote: > > > Okay, > > > > Than we have a problem here, > > > > User Silverspoon publiced a e-mail I send to OTRS in a channel. > > > > This e-mail (http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/SS%20temp.jpg) is a e-mail I > > sended to OTRS to release content. This e-mail was paste on pastebin to > > discuss in a public IRC channel ( > > http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/ss%20temp2.jpg), > > > > Silverspoon told me he had the information from user:FreakyFries. I tried > > to > > make a complaint by Guillom, the OTRS admin and he says he doesn't give a > > fuck. (http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/ss%20temp3.jpg) > > > > At this moment I believe my privacy has been abbused by linking me to a > > website in a private channel, I would like to see what the foundation > > thinks > > about this since the person in charge thinks its perfectly normal to > > publish > > private e-mails. > > > > Best, > > > > Huib > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS
Probably because they are still looking at this case (or finishing others). After all, this is not the only claim of PP violation. _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer.*** 2011/6/7 Huib Laurens > Yes I did. There has been no responds from them so far. > > 2011/6/7, Thomas Dalton : > > On 7 June 2011 11:17, Huib Laurens wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> Almost a week later there has been no responds bij the Foundation nor a > >> responds from the OTRS admins to this mailing nor in private. > >> > >> At this moment I'm starting to believe the Foundation and the OTRS > admin's > >> doens't care at all about this. Are we really going to accept this kind > of > >> behavior from the people that communicate for Wikimedia to people and > >> companies mailing to Wikimedia? > > > > Have you contacted the Ombudsman committee as I suggested? It's their > > job to handle complaints about possible breaches of the privacy > > policy. It's rare to get a satisfactory response to complaints on this > > mailing list. It's not really what it's here for. > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > -- > Verzonden vanaf mijn mobiele apparaat > > Kind regards, > > Huib Laurens > WickedWay.nl > > Webhosting the wicked way. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email
I receveid two mails:
1. To my main account (Beria) in portuguese.
2. To one of my bot accounts, in english.
So, i will guess that the language is chosen based in the home wiki (my bot
has more edits in en.wiki than in pt.wiki)
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*Béria Lima*
<http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.*
2011/6/10 Andrew Garrett
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Yann Forget wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I also received one, with
> >
> > {{GENDER:Yann|Cher|Chère|Cher/Chère}} Yann,
> >
> > Well, is this an attempt to be politically correct for BTGL? ;o)
>
> Ha, looks like we need to give better instructions to the translators
> next time :-)
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation Elections 2009 ( 2011 ? ) & Bots
Well, i received a mail to my global bot account (Ripchip Bot) and the bot has - at least - 60 local bot flags. So we should assume there are no checking for bot flags at all. _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* 2011/6/10 CherianTinu Abraham > May be it is a good idea to exclude accounts that has blog flag in at > least one wiki. If it has bot has blog flag on at least one wiki, the > global > account can be considered as a bot. > Otherwise it would give undue advantage to the bot operators like me for > voting more than once ;) > > Regards > Tinu Cherian > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 6:12 PM, Andrew Garrett >wrote: > > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:09 PM, CherianTinu Abraham > > wrote: > > > Interesting to see accounts with bot flags are also invited to vote for > > > Board elections :) > > > > This bot isn't flagged on all wikis that it's eligible to vote. In > > particular, azwiki (I think). Accounts on wikis with blocked and bot > > accounts were excluded, but I didn't globally exclude them. > > > > —Andrew > > > > -- > > Andrew Garrett > > Wikimedia Foundation > > agarr...@wikimedia.org > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email
> > 2011/6/11 Fajro > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > > Election committee did what is in their power to increase participation. > > That's sad. > why try to increase participation is sad, Fajro? _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] en.wp HACKED?
a blocked user with a looong list of sock puppets _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* 2011/6/18 Chris Lee > Ha, to clarify, the entire background on any visited page was replaced with > swastikas and porn; along the top read "brought to you by meepsheep", who > I've since learned is a blocked user. > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 7:08 AM, Strainu wrote: > > > 2011/6/18 Peter Gervai : > > > On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:13, Domas Mituzas > > wrote: > > >>> What was it that lasted only a minute, Chris? > > >> Vandalism, probably. I've read an article that vandalism lasts about a > > minute! > > > > > > Impossible. I'm sure one minute has passed but I still see vandalism > > > occasionally. :-) > > > > :))) Can you please license that with CCBYSA so we can make it a tagline? > > :D > > > > Strainu > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board Elections: post mortem
What page? ;) _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* 2011/6/19 Jon Harald Søby > Hello all, > > I hope you have all heard the news of the election results. (If not, they > can be found here: > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2011/Results/en ) > > Since the election is over I have started a post mortem page on Meta to > evaluate the election: what was good, what was bad (and how can it be > approved), etc. As always, all input is appreciated, just add it to the > page. :-) > > -- > mvh > Jon Harald Søby <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by> > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official
> > *Sj and Ting informed us that Board has agreed with the policy after the > discussion. > * If i understand right that was in Berlin. So the Board had 2 months to put that in a resolution, and didn't. That doesn't sound as a approval to me. _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* 2011/6/25 Milos Rancic > On 06/25/2011 12:38 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > > As you may remember, the report was very long, and even though I speeded > > through it, I did not notice it since I wouldn't ever expect it there :) > The > > fact you published it before doesnt make arguments less valid though. > > I think that the argument is valid as I didn't bother the list with not > important issues from the meeting. > > > I do agree we need some procedure, I am just not sure this is the right > > one. > > > > Just to be super clear: the board approved this procedure explicitely in > a > > vote? (I can't find the resolution yet on foundationwiki) > > Sj and Ting informed us that Board has agreed with the policy after the > discussion. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Closing projects policy now official
So we should wait for a resolution no? Until there is only your word. PS: I'm not saying you are lying or anything, but that the final decision about that requires a Resolution. _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* 2011/6/25 Milos Rancic > On 06/25/2011 12:49 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > >> *Sj and Ting informed us that Board has agreed with the policy after the > >> discussion. > > > > If i understand right that was in Berlin. So the Board had 2 months to > put > > that in a resolution, and didn't. That doesn't sound as a approval to me. > > No, Ting has given today explicit approval. Six days before Sj gave > explicit approval with the note that Ting should give the last comment. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] BDS (hopefully) FUD?
Talking about that: Wikimania has a "official hasgtag"? _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* 2011/6/28 Kim Bruning > On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 06:13:54PM +0200, Kim Bruning wrote: > > > > To be able to actively counter this claim, can we confirm that all > palestinian wikimedians who want to come are indeed coming? > > I've since done a little more research. I'm moving this question to > wikimania-l, in a better focussed and restated version. > > sincerely, >Kim Bruning > > > -- > [Non-pgp mail clients may show pgp-signature as attachment] > gpg (www.gnupg.org) Fingerprint for key FEF9DD72 > 5ED6 E215 73EE AD84 E03A 01C5 94AC 7B0E FEF9 DD72 > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikis around Europe!
sadly, there are no one in Portuguese territory :( _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* 2011/6/29 John Vandenberg > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:59 AM, emijrp wrote: > > Hi. I forward this e-mail, I hope there are people interested on this > map. > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > > From: emijrp > > Date: 2011/6/11 > > Subject: Wikis around Europe! > > To: wikiteam-disc...@googlegroups.com > > > > > > Hi all; > > > > A friend of mine has sent me this link about wikis (locapedias) around > > Europe.[1] I'm very surprised about the huge amount of wikis available. > > > > Time to archive all of them.[2] I have been working on Spanish ones. If > you > > want to help archiving one country, please, reply to this message to > > coordinate. If not, I will try to archive entire Europe! > > > > Regards, > > emijrp > > > > [1] > > > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&t=h&msa=0&msid=115570622864617231547.00044e461c185a89b6d71&ll=49.095452,14.677734&spn=39.93254,79.013672&z=4 > > [2] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/ > > very nice map. > it would be nice to have these all listed on http://wikiindex.org > and wikiindex could add geo information so that this map can be > maintained by wikiindex. > it would also be neat for wikiindex to list the date of the last > wikiteam archive of that wiki, so that we can automatically work out > which wikis need to be archived next. > > -- > John Vandenberg > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns
Huib, The WMF is not responsible for private mails you send to anyone. The only people who "officialy" can receive a copy of any ID you may have are Philippe <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Philippe_%28WMF%29>, Christine<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Christine_%28WMF%29>or Megan <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mhernandez>. If you send a copy of your ID to anyone else is not WMF problem. _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* 2011/7/9 Huib Laurens > The rather big deal for me is that when i edit a Wikimedia project there is > a privacy policy, and next to that there is a policy that only people who > identified themselfs to the foundation can handle non-public date. I guess > that there this is the case also. > > So wouldn't it be more secure and inside the Wikimedia policies when it > would be send to OTRS and that trusted identified users can handle those? > > I do see a big concern, cuz I send my passport somewhere for Wikipedia... > If > something happens it would make Wikimedia responsible, because I send it to > them (to a Dutch adress) So do we want a policy that works but could > endanger the Foundation because they are still responsible. > > > > 2011/7/9 Gerard Meijssen > > > Hoi, > > If you do not trust the person involved, you are crazy to send him a copy > > of > > your passport. This is a common sense. This policy as it obviously > works.. > > what is really your issue ? > > > > Do we really need a theoretical approach that only can bring us less > > functionality ? I do not think so. > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On 9 July 2011 09:52, Huib Laurens wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > I want to know if there is a privacy concern on the Dutch Wikipedia. > > > > > > The short story: > > > > > > When you got blocked on the Dutch Wikipedia for socking you can remove > > the > > > block by sending a copy of your passport to a user thats trusted by the > > > community. After he checks your passport or all the passports involved > if > > > you have a shared connection the block will be removed. > > > > > > The user where you have to send it to isn't indentified by the > foundation > > > and you have to send it by snailmail not to OTRS. > > > > > > The foundations privacy policies does that allow this to happen? > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Kind regards, > > > Abigor > > > ___ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > -- > Kind regards, > > Huib Laurens > WickedWay.nl > > Webhosting the wicked way. > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns
I would personally recomend you people to send your questions to RonaldB<http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebruiker:RonaldB>(the *one and only* person who receive those datas) I'm not dutch, but that system is in place since Jully 2007<http://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sokpop&diff=next&oldid=8590452>, and Huib is the first one to complain about it - a 4 years working system with only 1 complain seems to be just fine to me. _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* 2011/7/10 Thomas Morton > > Seem to work though. > > Does it? Where is the evidence for this? I'm not being hasty in forming a > firm judgement here - other than to say it doesn't, on the face of it, seem > like a good idea for a project to be doing this. > > > And if the details of the handling of private data is well outlined and > confined it could be a good thing to have. > > Indeed, if. But again, no word or evidence of such things so far. > > I do think this is a serious problem that needs investigating: > > - The argument that this is essentially an optional function is not really > appealing, and is easily said by those who are not blocked. Saying "if you > want to edit send a stranger your identity" does not sit comfortably with > me. (this is just my personal view, but I include it for completeness) > > - Saying this is disconnected from Wikipedia/the Foundation is a red > herring > - it is organised via the website, so for any user utilising this service > it > looks to some extent "official". The Foundation have a reasonable duty of > care to its users and at this point they are not able to properly audit or > oversight the handling of personal details. > > - The whole idea is a "false flag" anyway because identity is beyond > trivial > to fake. So, it is not about identity, but about some slightly high barrier > of action for an individual to take - the idea being it filters out the > more > casual bad guys. In which case; a more suitable alternative to identity > could be used. Perhaps a hand written letter asking for an unblock? That > seems much better system. > > - EU data protection laws *explicitly* apply to the handling of personal > data by private individuals. And as an enabling medium Dutch Wikipedia > could > easily also be considered a controller within the scope of the law (they > are > intentionally very broad). This means if the data does end up being misused > then it will be a major blow; hence it seems sensible to require some > investigation of this process. > -- As an addendum to that the process described on the Dutch Wikipedia at > the very least need to comply with EU directives. For example the person > processing the data must reveal his name and address (I realise that is > likely to happen, but I see no clarity on the matter and no oversight to > ensure this occurs) and the details of *precisely* what will be done with > the data need to be published (and kept to) > -- We need to establish (prefferably with a lawyer) to what extent this > process is considered necessary or relevant; because if it is one or > neither > then it is non-compliant. > > There is also an extended risk here; something simple like an admin > unblocks > the account of "Bram van Rijn" and, when unblocking him, says "There you go > Bram, enjoy editing!". Something simple and innocent is now non-compliant. > > For that reason people handling identity in a capacity relating to > Wikipedia, even semi-officially, need to be well vetted. > > I have argued this before several times in relation to other such things on > English Wikipedia, and I realise my view may be stronger than the > majorities. But in this case it appears not even a cursory check is being > undertaken. > > Tom > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Going to far
Huib, the OC knows where the edit button is... I'm pretty sure they can remove all libel info if they think they should. _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* 2011/7/19 Huib Laurens > Did you even read the E-mail? How should the Ombudsman commission handle > this case, it are administrators copying personal information into > Wikimedia > Wiki's... > > > 2011/7/18 MZMcBride > > > Huib Laurens wrote: > > > I regret the fact that I need to e-mail to this list, but I tried and > > tried > > > but can't work it out with the people involved. I talked about letting > it > > go > > > but that doesn't seem the right thing to do also, so maybe a discussion > > on > > > this list can make something happen. > > > > I can't imagine you regret sending this e-mail as much as I regret trying > > to > > parse it. From what I can tell, this list isn't the appropriate forum. > > Whatever your issue is, it's buried beneath a wall of text and what > appears > > to be years of antics on your part. > > > > If you have reason to believe that the Wikimedia privacy policy has been > > violated, you should contact the Ombudsman commission: > > <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission>. > > > > If you would like to have certain information removed from a particular > > Wikimedia wiki, you can try contacting the wiki's oversighters or > > Arbitration Committee. If you've ruined or soured those relationships to > > the > > point that those individuals are unwilling to respond, then that's a bed > of > > your own making and you'll simply have to live with the consequences of > > your > > actions. > > > > You're also free to contact individual members of Wikimedia Foundation > > staff > > or OTRS, but there doesn't appear to be much (if anything) that needs to > be > > discussed that relates to the purpose or mission of this mailing list. > > > > MZMcBride > > > > > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > -- > Kind regards, > > Huib Laurens > WickedWay.nl > > Webhosting the wicked way. > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Start "questions and answers" site within Wikimedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ is not enough? _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* 2011/7/21 Jan Kucera (Kozuch) > Hi there, > > I propose to start a Q&A system within Wikimedis. We need a central place > for help. Getting an advise is too complicated now if a person has very > diverse questions, he/she needs to look for various wiki discussion pages. > Not very easy for newbies. Could be inspired by the help site of > OpenStreetMap. > > Following bug was filled: > "Install Q&A system at help.en.wikipedia.org" > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=29923 > > Discussion and hopefully creation of the site is more that welcome. > > Thanks for your support! > > Cheers, > > Kozuch > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kozuch > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters
MZM, WMF *can't *ask money back from Chapters. By the agreement, Chapters who participate in last year Fundraising need to give 50% of everything they raised to WMF, but they are not forced to do anything more. And WMF can't ask for more than that because there are 2 different organizations. _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* On 5 August 2011 18:06, MZMcBride wrote: > phoebe ayers wrote: > > The Board of Trustees has recently reviewed our fundraising model and > issues > > related to the way donor funds are received. This review followed > detailed > > discussions among the Board's Audit Committee and with our outside > auditors, > > which highlighted issues about the level of financial controls over donor > > funds that go directly to the chapters who act as payment processors. > This > > review focused on the model established last year, under which donors in > > certain countries are exclusively directed to the local chapter during > the > > annual fundraiser. In our 2010-2011 year, about $4M net went directly to > 12 > > chapters, representing roughly 15% of the total funds donated to the > > movement. > > > > There are several problems with this model, and with the current > fundraising > > situation. Some chapters have received large sums of money early in their > > organizational lives, before they have built the capacity and financial > > controls to safeguard and best use those resources in pursuit of the > > mission. Some chapters have received many times their planned budget in a > > single fundraiser. Additionally, in some countries, transferring funds > > internationally has been limited by regulatory constraints. > > > > There are also currently no movement-wide controls applied consistently > to > > all entities that receive donor funds. Some chapters, despite being > > well-funded, have not reported in a timely way on their activities, their > > financial status, and their use of donor funds, or have had difficulties > > following the regulatory requirements of their countries. > > > > This fundraising model has also contributed to significant resource > > disparity among chapters. Some of the largest fundraising chapters have > > revenue far greater than their stated need and capacity to spend, while > > other chapters receive revenue only from Foundation grants or have almost > no > > revenue at all. The model also suggests that chapters are entitled to > funds > > proportional to the wealth of their regions, which amplifies the gap > between > > the Global North and South. > > I think it's great that the Board is looking into this. I was vaguely aware > of the problem and it's certainly one that needs to be addressed. > > I have two questions from your post: > > * Is there a breakdown of the amount of money given to chapters from the > past fundraiser? A chart or something somewhere? There definitely should be > and I imagine there is, but I wouldn't be able to locate it off-hand. > > * Have any chapters been asked to give money back? If so, what has been the > response? > > MZMcBride > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters
The discussion in Internal-l is case-to-case and don't concern people who are not involved in the chapter in discussion or WMF. And - again - WMF don't "give money to chapters" in fundraising. The chapter earn it alone. And the only thing to be in the way is the fundraising agreement. Who - again - says that 50% goes to WMF and 50% stay with the chapter. If that 50% is more than what the chapter need, is not WMF job to ask the money back, because - again - the money don't belong to WMF. I sugguest you to go tough chapters report and ask what they are doing with the money they receive in Fundraising. They need to be transparent about what they are doing, but WMF does not have a "policy" status over that. _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* On 5 August 2011 21:48, MZMcBride wrote: > Béria Lima wrote: > > WMF *can't *ask money back from Chapters. By the agreement, Chapters who > > participate in last year Fundraising need to give 50% of everything they > > raised to WMF, but they are not forced to do anything more. And WMF can't > > ask for more than that because there are 2 different organizations. > > I'm sorry, I don't follow. > > It's my understanding that some of these chapters received tens of > thousands > of dollars. In some cases, as noted by the Board, this far exceeded the > chapter's needs. If that's the case, I'm not sure why it would be > out-of-the-question to ask for some of the money back. There might be > reasons that the chapters don't want to or aren't required to, but I don't > see any reason why the Wikimedia Foundation couldn't ask. > > Can you clarify? > > (And to all those chapter-related people and Wikimedia Foundation staff > currently discussing this on internal-l, could you please try to honor the > transparency and accountability that Wikimedia was founded upon and discuss > this on the public list?) > > MZMcBride > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters
> > *Where did the money come from? I think it unambiguously concerns people > who are part of the Wikimedia community (broadly defined), seeing as they > were the ones to donate the money. > * 1. People who donate money are mostly NOT on fundation-l and 2. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports (if you want to read) *The chapters earned the money by doing what, exactly? > * Same thing Fundation do. > *Do you know if there's a chart listing how much money each chapter > received (or earned) from the past fundraiser? Is there a list of the > chapters that were involved, at least? > * Yes and is public. https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Av5TeXEyGuvpdGRyNDJHS19RZmRqbWlqeHp5ak5uWnc&authkey=CKb59_wD&hl=pt_PT#gid=0 _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* On 5 August 2011 22:01, MZMcBride wrote: > Béria Lima wrote: > > The discussion in Internal-l is case-to-case and don't concern people who > > are not involved in the chapter in discussion or WMF. > > Where did the money come from? I think it unambiguously concerns people who > are part of the Wikimedia community (broadly defined), seeing as they were > the ones to donate the money. > > > And - again - WMF don't "give money to chapters" in fundraising. The > chapter > > earn it alone. And the only thing to be in the way is the fundraising > > agreement. Who - again - says that 50% goes to WMF and 50% stay with the > > chapter. If that 50% is more than what the chapter need, is not WMF job > to > > ask the money back, because - again - the money don't belong to WMF. > > The chapters earned the money by doing what, exactly? > > > I sugguest you to go tough chapters report and ask what they are doing > with > > the money they receive in Fundraising. They need to be transparent about > > what they are doing, but WMF does not have a "policy" status over that. > > Do you know if there's a chart listing how much money each chapter received > (or earned) from the past fundraiser? Is there a list of the chapters that > were involved, at least? > > MZMcBride > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters
If they do revoke (which they can, because do report are part of Chapter Agreement), will be also a private discussion. I do understand your people curiosity to know what they discusses, but all the relevant info are public. Only particular details are handle in private _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* On 5 August 2011 22:09, Victor Vasiliev wrote: > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > > I sugguest you to go tough chapters report and ask what they are doing > with > > the money they receive in Fundraising. They need to be transparent about > > what they are doing, but WMF does not have a "policy" status over that. > > Well, right now many chapters fail to handle such basic transparency > thing like publishing an annual report (seriously, look at > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reports ). If they fail, Wikimedia > Foundation, as an organization that empowers them to collect money > through the banners, may act as an oversight and revoke that > privilege. I do not believe that this is the proper process to do > that, but I certainly agree that it is what to be done. > > --vvv > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board letter about fundraising and chapters
You don't need to defend me Theo. Nathan and MZM: If you want to know how much each chapter has earned and spent, there are reports (nathan himself pointed to the page). If you have any questions about Internal-l adress it to internal-l-ow...@list.wikimedia.org (I'm sure they will answer you) If you want to ask about my chapter (Wikimedia Portugal) the reports are here: http://wikimedia.pt/Relat%C3%B3rio_Anual_2009 and here: http://wikimedia.pt/Relat%C3%B3rio_Anual_2010 _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* On 5 August 2011 22:27, Theo10011 wrote: > Nathan, there is no reason to single out Beria. She at least responded to > the questions. There are a lot of people reading this who didn't and have > far more authority to comment on the matter than her. > > Theo > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Nathan wrote: > > > Beria, I don't think your views on transparency as stated mesh all > > that well with the character of this list. I'd suspect the same is > > true of the wider community of editors and donors; the assertion that > > details be discussed in private is both improper and at distinct odds > > with the history of the WMF. If chapters prefer that their actions not > > be subject to the oversight of the WMF and Wikimedia community, then > > they should do their own fundraising and develop their own trademarks. > > > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Béria Lima wrote: > > > If they do revoke (which they can, because do report are part of > Chapter > > > Agreement), will be also a private discussion. I do understand your > > people > > > curiosity to know what they discusses, but all the relevant info are > > public. > > > Only particular details are handle in private > > > _ > > > *Béria Lima* > > > <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 > > > > > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter > > livre > > > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos > a > > > fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiConference-India 2011] Oral Citations mentioned in the New York Times
cross-posting _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* On 8 August 2011 17:00, Ashwin Baindur wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I am a subscriber to NYT online for almost ten years (its free so far at > least but about to change). I was most pleasantly surprised to find this : > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/08/business/media/a-push-to-redefine-knowledge-at-wikipedia.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha26 > > Great exposure & great publicity. > > Warm regards, > > Ashwin Baindur > -- > > ___ > WikiConference-India mailing list > wikiconference-in...@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiconference-india > > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Chapters
> > *in fact, I even want to help the Dutch chapter with the project on taking > pictures of State Monuments - it would be very helpful if someone mails me > offlist or indicates on my Wiki page if there is any information on what is > needed > * The Wiki page: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2011 The Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/WikiLovesMonuments And the Website: http://wikilovesmonuments.eu But as you can see, is not only the Dutch people. _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* On 9 August 2011 16:48, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > It is true however that many chapters do important work for the local > > projects, and serve their local needs in the sense of activities, press > > contacts and fundraising in a more effective way (less culturally > > challanging, more sensitive to what works locally and better in touch > with > > other activities and situations). Not all chapters do this in the same > > extent, and not all do it similarly good. But that is the idea of a > chapter > > - it is not a fanclub organizing beer events only to have fun. > > > > Best regards, > > Lodewijk > > Right, I know that the Chapters are doing some very useful stuff (in fact, > I even want to help the Dutch chapter with the project on taking pictures > of State Monuments - it would be very helpful if someone mails me offlist > or indicates on my Wiki page if there is any information on what is > needed), but I believe that to say, as Brigitte does, that the Chapters > should lead the movement is to stretch it way over the limits. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2011 video on Commons?
Not yet. So far you can find some videos here: http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaIL But they will be in Commons soon _ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos>.* On 10 August 2011 02:40, Waihorace wrote: > Dear all, > > Are the Wikimania 2011 video on YouTube aviliable on Wikimedia Commons? > Where is the link? Thanks. > > HW@zhwp > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
