Re: [Foundation-l] Stewards keeping editing rights on en.wiki for "emergency edits"... yeah...
I rather thank by creating SOPAonWheels account and following edits:
they made a good laughter at least on me with which I sustain this
hard day with stomach ache.
If the English Wikipedia community however has a strong feeling toward
these edits, you at EnWP can revert and none might oppose. I thank too
EnWP community for their respect "the community autonomy" sense of
other projects, despite of some media coverage which said it was
concerned with "all languages' blackout", and happy to see you at EnWP
do for keeping their own feeling of this sense.
Cheers,
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 6:44 PM, K. Peachey wrote:
> Can someone remind me, Which ones of these are emergency edits?
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> (Plain text format: <http://pastie.org/private/2xom9n0uxeoeodmksokxbw>)
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> copyright violations: A pity the developers haven't given us an Invert
> option; it would make things substantially quicker)
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> of "Logan Hayes": removed content for 172 revisions (RD1: Blatant
> copyright violations)
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> one or more entries in the (Deletion log): restored username for 1
> entry (Test complete)
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> one or more entries in the (Deletion log): removed username for 1
> entry (Is it possible to do RevDel when Wikipedia is engaging in
> blatant WP:POINT violations?)
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> (WMF) (talk | contribs) (it's not going to be affected if no one can
> edit... let's let the article speak for itself for 24 hours)
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] English Wikipedia to go dark January 18 in opposition to SOPA/PIPA
Thanks, Jay and everyone both involved and concerned. I tried to give an input but page was too edited and thus cause edit conflict, and perhaps I'd not be alone :D I hope everyone who happened to miss the opportunity to submit their own voices to the wiki page, they however are pleased to the process and result community consensus. On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Liam Wyatt wrote: > Thanks for this announcement Jay, and everyone involved in the planning of > this unprecedented action. > > Quick clarification: > What time, precisely, will this be occurring? > The on-wiki summary states "...for 24 hours starting at 05:00 UTC on > January 18, 2012, or at another time as determined by the Wikimedia > Foundation." could you just confirm what time this will happen, thanks. Same clarification of the exact hour is highly appreciated. Reuters say it'll begin at Jan 18, 2012, EST, 0:00, but I don't know their source. If the given hour is incorrect, the sooner collection, the better. Cheers, > > -Liam > > On Tuesday, 17 January 2012, Jay Walsh wrote: >> Please also see the related blog post, >> > http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/01/16/wikipedias-community-calls-for-anti-sopa-blackout-january-18/ >> >> The release is posted here: >> > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_releases/English_Wikipedia_to_go_dark >> >> *English Wikipedia to go dark January 18 in opposition to SOPA/PIPA >> * >> San Francisco -- January 16, 2012 -- On January 18, 2012, in an >> unprecedented decision, the Wikipedia community has chosen to blackout the >> English version of Wikipedia for 24 hours, in protest against proposed >> legislation in the United States ― the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) in > the >> U.S. House of Representatives, and PROTECTIP (PIPA) in the U.S. Senate. If >> passed, this legislation will harm the free and open Internet and bring >> about new tools for censorship of international websites inside the United >> States. >> >> Wikipedia administrators confirmed this decision Monday afternoon (PST) in >> a public statement ( >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Action#Summary_and_conclusion >> ): >> >> Over the course of the past 72 hours, over 1800 Wikipedians have joined >> together to discuss proposed actions that the community might wish to take >> against SOPA and PIPA. This is by far the largest level of participation > in >> a community discussion ever seen on Wikipedia, which illustrates the level >> of concern that Wikipedians feel about this proposed legislation. The >> overwhelming majority of participants support community action to > encourage >> greater public action in response to these two bills. Of the proposals >> considered by Wikipedians, those that would result in a "blackout" of the >> English Wikipedia, in concert with similar blackouts on other websites >> opposed to SOPA and PIPA, received the strongest support. >> >> “Today Wikipedians from around the world have spoken about their > opposition >> to this destructive legislation," said Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikipedia. >> "This is an extraordinary action for our community to take - and while we >> regret having to prevent the world from having access to Wikipedia for > even >> a second, we simply cannot ignore the fact that SOPA and PIPA endanger > free >> speech both in the United States and abroad, and set a frightening >> precedent of Internet censorship for the world." >> >> We urge Wikipedia readers to make your voices heard. If you live in the >> United States, find your elected representative in Washington ( >> https://www.eff.org/sopacall). If you live outside the United States, >> contact your State Department, Ministry of Foreign Affairs or similar >> branch of government. Tell them you oppose SOPA and PIPA, and want the >> internet to remain open and free. >> _______ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > -- > Peace, love & metadata > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikipedia is considering going dark to protest SOPA and PIPA
A short note on an individual basis of my own (not community's behalf): On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:42 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > To be very clear: a decision on English Wikipedia to take action on this is > not binding on Commons. Fine but it wouldn't be a bad idea to consider if each other community, specially English language ones, joins the action the English Wikipedia community is now discussing and developing, or for the English Wikipedia community to ask the other projects to call for participation of her action. Slightly OT but I wish someone leaves a neat comment during the discussion on SOPA, copyright, US legislative in general or anything worth to quote so that we at Wikiquote would love to cite later, and oh belated happy birthday big sister Wikipedia. Cheers, > ___ > Philippe Beaudette > Head of Reader Relations > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > 415-839-6885, x 6643 > > phili...@wikimedia.org > > To check my email volume (and thus know approx how long it will take me to > respond), go to http://courteous.ly/hpQmqy > > > > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 3:23 AM, Svip wrote: > >> On 14 January 2012 12:20, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >> >> > On Sat, 14 Jan 2012 10:58:41 +, Tom Morris >> wrote: >> > >> >> I think the concern will be dependent on whether Commons is covered in >> >> the blackout (and whether the 'full' shutdown goes ahead or the >> >> 'pop-up plus banners' that seems to be getting most traction on >> >> enwiki). >> >> >> >> I'm seeing a rough consensus for action on English Wikipedia, and >> >> German Wikipedians seem to be up for acting in solidarity, but, as >> >> I've said on the page on enwiki, I don't see how enwiki consensus for >> >> a SOPA action ought to bind other proejcts including Commons and the >> >> English sister projects. >> >> >> > >> > Commons most likely will only run a banner. There is currently a straw >> > poll abut it. The blackout has not even been seriously discussed. (And I >> > personally think it will not be a good idea because many hotlinks to >> > Commons files would just disappear without any explanation in case of the >> > blackout - not something which add us much credibility). >> >> Is there talk about blackout on the files or just the pages? I don't >> think a blackout on Commons would have the effect you described. >> 'Hotlinked images' from Commons would continue to work as normal. >> Including images in a blackout is usually a bit more work than usual >> (Apache rewrite rules, etc.), while pages can simply be caught with a >> quick and dirty MW-extension (or even just JavaScript). >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls
Claiming copyright for religious works in use works also defense for possible alteration the original publisher or editor may regard as heretical. The similar happens in academia too. I know a certain online text database based on a scanned PD works, but the publisher (a certain academic society) denied even to put online publicly, they claimed "otherwise the data would be erroneously changed, we'll send a set of disks upon request for free, so everyone who needs can get the data. It's the best way for our interest to keep the criticized text in an appropriate level, avoid any corruption." There' a lot of this kind anecdotes, I guess? Be relaxed, you have not to be so hostile, Emijrp. While we don't agree with them in this point (firmly), we can still be polite and they wouldn't disagree we share an ultimate goal to let the world share the knowledge. As Liam suggested. On the other hand we should understand they have their own revenue system - their own ecosystem which has been built perhaps for centuries, so that we should have them understand we don't want them to survive by exploring free access and rather we would like them to cooperate and cohabit. It'll sure take a time, but I hope we go forward our mission without being unnecessarily aggressive. Cheers, On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 6:42 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Chris Keating > wrote: >>> >>> Finally, the Dead Sea Scrolls[1] have copyright[2]. Courtesy of The Israel >>> Museum. Congratulations. >> >> >> If the Dead Sea Scrolls were divinely inspired, like other Biblical texts, >> then there is an argument that the author is still alive ;-) >> >> (c) God, 2011 > > ;-) > > Are there any jurisdictions where a religious texts have been refused > a copyright for reason of being divine? > > There are a few legal cases about copyright of religious texts where > the copyright has been given to the 'medium' / 'channeler'. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_on_religious_works > > And there is the crown hold copyright on KJV, in perpetuity. As commentary, I'd like to add they put the Book of Common Prayer under the crown hold copyright too, but also they haven't done so on drafts, so that ongoing drat of BCP has been freely circulated and could be discussed. > > -- > John Vandenberg > > _______ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)
Don't worry emijrp, I guess no German may hit your idea - MySpace things may be unproblematic omitted in convention: For knowing mere facts, they don't use this word - it's Kennen or Kenntnis. Not Wissen. I'd like to add, while German is not my mother tongue, in the German language "Wissen" is not totally equal to English "knowledge". In German terminology this word has more systematic, scientific and metaphysical nuances. Much nearer to science in English - in German science is Wissenschaft, a derivation of "Wissen". Wissen has been historically a very rigid notion in German so that once it was argued soulless object (i.e. human) or a sum of certain facts could be included into "Wissen". For another example, Hegel even argued anatomy didn't worth to be called science (Wissenschaft) since it was a mere sum of empirical fact in Vorrede of Phaenomenologie des Geistes. MySpace things may be rejected by all German speakers with their version, I expect. On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 4:01 AM, emijrp wrote: > I think that the phrase meaning refered to Wikipedia is "the sum of all > human knowledge which is notable and encyclopedic". > > Not ALL, ALL, ALL human knowledge. MySpace discarded. > > 2011/9/16 Ziko van Dijk > >> Hello, >> >> Today I read on a WMDE driven website: >> >> "»Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der das gesamte Wissen der >> Menschheit jedem frei zugänglich ist. Das ist unser Ziel.« >> Jimmy Wales" >> >> (Imagine a world in which the entire knowledge of mankind is freely >> accessible to everyone. That is our goal.) >> >> I never read that in English. Jimmy Wales actually said: "... the sum >> of all human knowledge". >> >> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales >> >> And I think that there is a huge difference between "the sum of >> all..." and "all...". By the way, the traditional encyclopedias >> described themselves by "the sum of all..." >> >> But a number of Wikimedia national organizations seem to have >> difficulties with Jimmy's phrase. They 'translate' it to "all..." I >> did not succeed, for example, in explaining to my own national >> organization why it is wrong what we have on our business cards. >> >> Am I the only one seeing a problem here? >> >> Kind regards >> Ziko >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ziko van Dijk >> The Netherlands >> http://zikoblog.wordpress.com/ >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] "All human knowledge", by Jimmy Wales (?)
I'm afraid it sounds a bit OT, but I'm serious, really. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:25 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > > Today I read on a WMDE driven website: > > "»Stellen Sie sich eine Welt vor, in der das gesamte Wissen der > Menschheit jedem frei zugänglich ist. Das ist unser Ziel.« > Jimmy Wales" > > (Imagine a world in which the entire knowledge of mankind is freely > accessible to everyone. That is our goal.) > > I never read that in English. Jimmy Wales actually said: "... the sum > of all human knowledge". > > http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales > > And I think that there is a huge difference between "the sum of > all..." and "all...". By the way, the traditional encyclopedias > described themselves by "the sum of all..." > > But a number of Wikimedia national organizations seem to have > difficulties with Jimmy's phrase. They 'translate' it to "all..." I > did not succeed, for example, in explaining to my own national > organization why it is wrong what we have on our business cards. Gibt uns hier Problem? Welche Art? Fast zwanzig Jahren war es mir Raetzel, ob Verschendung gibt zwischen "das gesammte Werk" (oder die gesaemmte Werken) und "die Sammelung Werkes" und "die saemmtliches Werken". Keine Woerterbueche haben mich geholfen. Auf Japanisch liegt hier nur ein Wort so dass wir es benutzen, aber wenn Du so nett waere, bitte mal mir Erklaerungen, koenntest Du wirklich floh machen. MhG, > > Am I the only one seeing a problem here? > > Kind regards > Ziko > > > > > > > > > -- > Ziko van Dijk > The Netherlands > http://zikoblog.wordpress.com/ > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On Wikinews
I'm hesitate to chime in, not only I've kept saying I'm on a wikibreak - but I'm really on a break, my doctor said I had to give a full rest and no new task anymore till the time allows again! - but also I'd been inactive on Wikinews, but let me point some out. On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 7:21 AM, M. Williamson wrote: > Only the English Wikipedia, and while en.wp is our most successful project > so far, there are other successful Wikipedias that were formed only through > community efforts with no paid editors. 1) Regardless how you esteem their achievement, Italian speaking community decided to draw a line in "the area both Wikipedia and Wikinews cover". They eliminated "Current Events" type page on the Italian Wikipedia and any fresh ongoing things should be only accepted onto the Italian Wikinews. (check your farovite Wikipedia "Current Events" page to see if you find a link to the Italian equivalent). 2) Everyone has its own systematic bias. Major media too. Even on a certain Wikinews edition short of original reports, carefully synthesized media reports could help readership to widen their view to the things falling out from major media available in their language(s), if such is available on Wikinews). On the other side, both media and publishers are doing more than writing articles: there is a lot of things to maintain. Behind most of major successful Wikipedias I'd point out such people behind the stage are working, from the WMF staffers to Chapter paid people. It would be a topic worth to discuss sister projects including Wikinews are being paid attention as much as Wikipedia in regard of maintenance and outreach. Cheers, > > > 2011/9/14 Kim Bruning > >> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 07:17:49PM +0100, Thomas Morton wrote: >> > The elephant in the room in all this is that Wikinews lacks the critical >> > mass of editors to overcome these issues. >> > >> > So... >> > >> > Producing a functional daily news outlet (website) requires a substantial >> > full time staff... of course so does an encyclopaedia, but an >> encyclopaedia >> > doesn't have a weekly time limit on story completion... so we can adopt a >> > more leisurely model. >> >> >> Actually, wikipedia did have a paid full-time editor at bootup. Perhaps >> wikinews needs something similar, and never really booted properly, due >> to lack of it? >> >> sincerely, >>Kim Bruning >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)
Agreed with Lodewijk, and thanks for your clarification On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Lodewijk wrote: > Hi, > > just a few clarifications: > > I totally agree with Naoko of course. However, for me the main goal is not > even just the photos itself, but the reach it gives us to involve more > people. If I understand the statistics correctly; up to date, we have been > able to involve roughly 1000 people throughout Europe in this contest who > never before uploaded/edited anything. Thank you for raising that. I then implied, but did not mention explicitly, avoiding for scholastic redundancy (or decadence?). Picking up monuments for reach people out is a good idea corresponding with the main reason d'etre of so-called monuments; monuments are intersubjective, that is, a monument is what we as a community think as monument. I am not sure if any other themes had got the same level success. A monument, or precisely a certain object which the local or wider level of society is considered as a monument, is a focal point of interest by definition. It's a corollary of art concepts so ideally we could go to the art works in general, but the copyright issues might then arise, so beginning with monuments placed in an open are seems a modest but good step. 'D > > Involving new people was also the reason to set WLM up as a contest - that > assists at least in Europe very well in attracting attention of people who > normally do not edit Wikipedia, and persuade them to participate. However, > in the end they often keep participating because it is fun and because they > like it that their images appear on Wikipedia. > > @Yaroslav: the main reason to focus on Europe this year was the large > concentration, intergovernmental support (European Commission & Council of > Europe) and lack of resources (mainly man power). If there are next year > enough people to carry on the idea, I'm sure we can include more countries, > *if* the concept works for them. > > Then lists etc are a very practical precondition - not a fundamental one. If > we can find other ways to make it work, that is find of course. Also, if > countries rather run a project on different topics (volunteer involvement is > important, otherwise it won't work) they should definitely do that (I heard > suggestions for Wiki Loves Wildlife, Wiki Loves Rivers and many others!). > > Finally a note about chapters. Yes, having a chapter is very helpful - > usually it is a group of organized volunteers who has existing experience > with media and volunteer coordination (because some coordination is > necessary) and they have access to some kind of budgeting / bank accounts. > But also this is very practical - this year four countries without any > chapter participated: Andorra (with the help of Amical), Belgium & > Luxembourg (with a lot of dedicated volunteers, mostly in Belgium) and > Romania (with the help of a local pro-linux association and local > volunteers). So there is definitely no rule against chapters without a > chapter to participate, but it does require a steeper learning curve, and > some extra dedication. > > You can find much of the thinking behind this concept in our post-mortem of > 2010 and the notes on the Berlin meeting last May with many participating > countries; all available on Commons. Of course I invite all comments > regarding improvements for next years in our post-mortem after September. > > Best regards, > Lodewijk > > Am 12. September 2011 07:49 schrieb Yaroslav M. Blanter : > >> On Mon, 12 Sep 2011 10:51:33 +0900, KIZU Naoko wrote: >> > Off topic alert: >> > >> > I haven't given a closer look to your main topic, Milos, so I cannot >> > give a responsible statement in any way. But your reference to Wiki >> > Loves Monuments, while I agree it's heavily Europe-focused, I strongly >> > disagree with you on its decadency, as an (retired) aesthetic. While >> > the determination what artworks are heavily depends on the community >> > to appreciate, so partly I understand your concern, if WLM is carried >> > on only by European chapter people, it can hardly of NPOV at some >> > future moment, but artworks belong to the critical part of "the sum of >> > human knowledge" along with the information who created them and then >> > have appreciated or rejected them. >> > >> >> Only countries which have lists of monuments compiled by the government >> and having the status of the law are eligible for WLM. This is in some >> sense POV but no more POV than say writing articles of members of >> parliament who were elected by direct vote. If Japan has such a list (I >> hope it does) next year
Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Loves Monuments (Was: On curiosity, cats and scapegoats)
Hello there, Japan has a such (thanks Yaroslave for your concern) and iirc Taiwan has too. Perhaps other countries. If people are ambition enough to spread coordination efforts to the large international orgs, I'd point out not only UNESCO but also International Society of Aesthetics would be a good candidate to contact. In particular where the government doesn't provide such a list. ISA itself won't be so excited but you could ask them to have you contact to the local appropriate associations which are keen and open to collaborate with guys coming outsides from adacemia. On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: >> @Yaroslav: the main reason to focus on Europe this year was the large >> concentration, intergovernmental support (European Commission & Council > of >> Europe) and lack of resources (mainly man power). If there are next year >> enough people to carry on the idea, I'm sure we can include more > countries, >> *if* the concept works for them. >> > <...> > >> Finally a note about chapters. Yes, having a chapter is very helpful - >> usually it is a group of organized volunteers who has existing > experience >> with media and volunteer coordination (because some coordination is >> necessary) and they have access to some kind of budgeting / bank > accounts. >> But also this is very practical - this year four countries without any >> chapter participated: Andorra (with the help of Amical), Belgium & >> Luxembourg (with a lot of dedicated volunteers, mostly in Belgium) and >> Romania (with the help of a local pro-linux association and local >> volunteers). So there is definitely no rule against chapters without a >> chapter to participate, but it does require a steeper learning curve, > and >> some extra dedication. >> > > Well, as one example, we had some private correspondence about involvement > of Russia: The chapter failed to organize anything, mostly because they > failed to realize that the database they were pointed out to is workable, > they did not want or dis not manage to contact other people who understand > the subject, and there was no way for any other group of people to organize > the contest. As the result, I just had to fill up the (previously empty) > category "WLM 2011 in Russia" myself single-handedly, not obviously > expecting any credit for this, but just to avoid creating an impression > that there are no monuments in Russia. > > Also, if there was no group let us give a random example - in Macedonia - > who wanted to organize the contest, still it would be a good idea to open a > category for WLM in Macedonia, just to get a chance to indeed involve new > people and to possibly get a number of good quality image previously > missing. Especially if people would know this in advance and could take > pictures for instance during the summer holidays. > > Just to be understood correctly, I think WLM is in general a good idea, > and my criticism is not to undermine it is any way, but to possibly create > some input for the next time. (I am a WLM supporter and I uploaded so far I > believe about 1% of the total amount of images). > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On curiosity, cats and scapegoats
;Next steps" [3]! Holy Thing! That will produce > much more sexual content than any "porn" photo on Commons. In Serbian > we say for that "fucking in healthy brain". If not exterminated at the > beginning, that brainfuck (unfortunately, not programming language > [4]) will produce much more problems than any image filter or any Fox > News scam. > > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer#Internet_censorship > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concerned_Women_for_America. > [3] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/Next_steps/en > [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Draft Terms of Use forReview
Thank you Geoff, Sue and others who are working on. I take this whole thread as one of good faith fruits and sincere desire on WMF to collaborate with us at the community as well to help us out. Well, I however feel double-bound. In the one side I think it good and appropriate for WMF as a legal entity and users in general, particularly English speaking people. On the other side I am not sure how it can be practical for the community, users and people who are harassed on Wikimedia wikis but have never been a part of community in case any or extremely every involved party doesn't understand English and reside out of US jurisdiction. Based on a fact of our community spreads globally, so differentiated into over a hundred by jurisdiction and by language, I have honestly no idea how ToU available only in English would affect us who are out of US jurisdiction and don't speak English daily. Even in the proposed 30 day review, it would be nominal for its user majority don't speak English, unless translations are provided in major languages to the project as well user base. On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Sue Gardner wrote: > On 8 September 2011 19:01, Phil Nash wrote: > >> There's a major difference between online harassment, and robust debate, >> although most of us can tell where we draw our own lines. > > Oh yikes, Phil, please don't misunderstand me! The conversations we > were having were about one or two people who have been repeatedly > harassing large numbers of Wikimedians for years. I am not talking > about editors who engage in discussions and get a bit rude; I am > talking about people who are probably seriously mentally ill. Unfortunately some names are passing in my mind ... frankly, several. More than ten. Whoa. And only two of them spoke English fluently iirc, and all of them are out of the US jurisdiction if we've analyzed given information correctly. That means, the local communities which have confronted those kinds of people, many of Wikimedia community member are not good in English either in many cases. As said, whilst I welcome to make ToU more detailed and featuring many issues which the current one misses to mention, but for facilitating the community in entire, language barrier issues should be taken more seriously. Even into few language versions, for example. We need here make a practical compromise - yes, compromise, since it's obvious currently we have no way to provide every language. I have never seen any Wikimedia Foundation information, including fundraising banners, translated into every language in which Wikipedia at that time was running since 2004, when I joined the project. Cheers, > > This is not a backdoor attempt to enforce kindness. We're just trying > to support and protect editors against really very egregious > behaviour. > > Thanks, > Sue > > > > > -- > Sue Gardner > Executive Director > Wikimedia Foundation > > 415 839 6885 office > 415 816 9967 cell > > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in > the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us
with no way to >> >> know for sure in advance; perhaps encouraging more social interaction >> >> would exacerbate and personalize the disputes and conflicts that drive >> >> people away. >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> foundation-l mailing list >> >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> >> >> > ___ >> > foundation-l mailing list >> > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] It Is not Us
+1 to Keegan. Different activities attract different thought of people. Social interactivity of Wikimedia websites and beyond is one of charms of Wikimedia movement, but it is a beneficial side effect of the Movement, a necessary consequence of its collaborative production to gather "the sum of the human knowledge" online for freely access. Spreading online social network pleasure itself is no mission of Wikimedia. Also I'd like to join Thomas's insight statistics should be accurate if we'd like to use on a basis of analysis. We cannot deduce a meaningful thought from wrongly combined statistics. Also on user consuming hours on the Web, I think it too much hypothetical everyone uses the same amount of time on a given tool, say, the Internet, which seems to me behind the stats mentioned. Cheers, Cheers, On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Peter Gervai wrote: > >> On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 17:43, Gerard Meijssen >> wrote: >> > Wikipedia should be more like a social network. It provides us with the >> >> well wikipedia is about to create value for long term - social >> networks are about to create worthless things for the moment. >> >> g >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > +1 > > As you mentioned earlier, Peter, most things on Facebook are in-the-moment > and do last in any sort of repository of things people want to read for > educational value. There is some entertainment value in places like > lamebook.com, but that humor generally isn't above the brow (there is some > witty banter, though). > > Our talk pages, on the other hand, provide insight in the archives on how > the social dynamics shaped the creation of a product as well as provide > general institutional knowledge. Wikimedia social networking features such > as talk pages, mailing lists, and IRC channels produce millions of lines of > collaborative work. This is what makes our system valuable. > > -- > ~Keegan > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan > _______ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Elections email
Oh wait,
On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Andrew Garrett wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Yann Forget wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I also received one, with
>>
>> {{GENDER:Yann|Cher|Chère|Cher/Chère}} Yann,
>>
>> Well, is this an attempt to be politically correct for BTGL? ;o)
>
> Ha, looks like we need to give better instructions to the translators
> next time :-)
I don't think this syntax goes globally. In Japanese for instance
honorific titles should follow the name, not precede. Same may happen
in other languages, I guess in Chinese too.
Even if it sounds rude, better to omit these and go straight?
My home wiki should have determined as somewhere en or meta, so I got
one English mail and only. I don't know how it went really in Japanese
... So my proposal comes from only an assumption, but this kind of
cultural and linguistically varied things is hard to generalize.
Cheers,
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Re: [Foundation-l] Global ban - poetlister?
On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:38 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 3 June 2011 17:21, Newyorkbrad wrote: > >>> Poetlister is the level of case where project autonomy is an actively >>> bad idea. e.g. en.wikiquote deciding to demonstrate their independence >>> of en:wp by letting him onto the Checkuser list. Nice one. > >> Not to digress, but in fairness to the folks active on Wikiquote, I don't >> think that WQ User:Cato had been identified as Poetlister at the time he was >> made a checkuser there. thanks Steven, it matches my remembrance. Cato was not identified as such, and after that his right was suspended and unanimously revoked in decision of the community. > > > We had extremely strong suspicions, but the reasons some en:wq people > gave for ignoring them was that they wouldn't be told what to do by > en:wp. > For the record, EnWP checkusers / arbcom, at least some of them denied to give EnWQ admins the evidence of Poetlister's sockpuppetry, specially how they identified Poetlister with Rancorn. It was not just of results of project autonomy but rather demanding blind trust and obeying of English Wikipedia privileged users. If they behaved as if they were overloads of all projects, their opinions couldn't be heard with respect from the rest of the global community. Cheers, > I suspect there is more than a little of that in current local wiki > defiance of global bans. And it's really, really not a good idea. > > > - d. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 elections - low turnout
I served on the 2007 Eleccom so I could tell my account on attempting the open endorsement, which aimed to give candidates more visibility and shifted away those who had least possibility to elect (so that voters might give thought on a reasonable number of candidates) but I wasn't on the 2008 one which dropped the 2007 trial, so not in the position to give the reason why it was dropped. Phillipe could give the whole recollection perhaps? Or it would be somehow embarrassing for now a WMF staffer? :D Cheers, On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:42 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: > On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 11:01 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> >>> I believe that we did this in... 2007, I think? (with open >>> endorsements). Anyway, it seemed to lead to cabal-ism and so was >>> dropped. >> >>> -- Phoebe >>> >> >> Don't take this personally, but who is "we" and who are the "cabals"? Who >> is in them and what is their agenda? >> >> Fred > > We = the foundation, by way of the election committee: see > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_elections/2007/en > > I said "cabal-ism", not specific cabals :) Meaning that endorsements > didn't seem that effective because everyone just endorsed the people > they knew. > But I wasn't on the election committee, and I'm writing this from > memory without looking at the lists archives etc, so hopefully someone > else has a more clear recollection of why it was tried and dropped can > say for sure. > > best, > Phoebe > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed
Hi, grad to see Election Committee think what Wikimedia community is and can be so boldly and invite the rest of the community to join discussion. I'm looking forward seeing the coming election. It'll be great. 2011/3/20 Jon Harald Søby : > Hello, fellow Wikimedians. > > On behalf of the 2011 Board Election Committee I would like to ask your > input on the criteria for voters in the election. In the last election > (2009), contributors needed to have at least 600 edits before the election > began and 50 recent edits (within 6 months). Whoa, I'm not sure if my recent edit count pass the proposed criteria ... even summed up globally. But still out of curiosity: for SUL account editors, edits are summed up through all wikis? > However, we feel that the edit > counts should be lowered, to allow newer contributors and mostly-inactive > members to vote, as we feel that they are also valued members of the > community. So our current proposal is a total of 300 edits, and 20 edits > within 6 months. > > This only goes for the editing community; however, the community is more > than just editors. Previously, suffrage has been extended to (a) server > administrators, (b) paid staff and (c) current or former board members. This > still does not account for all community members though, and we would like > your input on what other community members should be eligible to vote (and > how to quantify other types of contributions). > In discussion amongst the community, the committee, board members and > others, the following categories of potential voters were brought up: > > * Advisory Board members > * Developers who are not server administrators, but who have made a certain > number of commits (what number is "sufficient"?) Strongly supported. As Gerald said, there would invoke another question if MediaWiki localization people should be invited to vote. My first instinct says yes, but I'm not sure if we can count it or what criteria are applied. Siebrand or Nike? Can you guys pick up only MediaWiki translators among twn translators? > > * Donors > ** Donors above a certain $ amount (in that case, what amount should be the > limit?) As mentioned by several folks, I don't think that is a good idea. Donation is noble, but buying out or selling vote right is not in my opinion. What if Wikimedia were a membership organization? Still we would say to have non-member donors eligible to vote? > * University students in the Ambassadors program Not supportive at this moment: are they editing/contributing through the program at any rate? If they edited the wikis, were not eligible yet to vote by their merit but given the right to vote just because their universities host the program, what can you say to the rest of editors with the same edit count or more but excluded? During I served Election Committee every year I met complaints from editors who thought they were part of the community but ineligible to vote due to their inactivity. From this experience I think that if someone participants to the community by editing mainly, edit count and alone should be better to be criteria, not editing + something else. > * Researchers with access to the research user right > So, to round up, we would very much like your input on these matters; are > the edit count requirements fair, do the additional categories seem all > right, and finally, are there any other user categories that should be > eligible to vote? > > Input can be posted here, on [[m:Talk:Board > elections/2011]]<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Board_elections/2011>or > to the board elections list, > board-electi...@lists.wikimedia.org. We're looking forward to hearing your > thoughts on the matter! > > On behalf of the Election Committee, > Jon Harald Søby > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > Cheers, -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy policy and translations
Thank you, guys :) On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 5:48 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > 2011/3/19 Casey Brown : >> I think she's referring to the link on here: >> <http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Policies>. >> >> I thought I remembered seeing another similar pdf "updated version" >> uploaded, but can't seem to remember if I actually saw it or where it >> was. > > I see no reason why this page still linked to the PDFs since the wiki > versions include all the 2008 changes, so I changed it. > > -- > Erik Möller > Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation > > Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Privacy policy and translations
Hi, I noticed Wikimedia privacy policy on wmf site replaced with pdf version and have no link to other (informal) language versions. There is no suggestion users may consult informal translations, if any, now dead links on the wmf site without links from the original or on meta as translating draft. I don't mind who did it. But it put in my opinion non English speakers inconvenience, specially without any suggestion there could be translations, even informal versions. I would like to know why those links were removed. Also I'm concerned with 1) if WMF has an intention to provide other language versions again on its official site, either informal and unauthorized version or formal and official versions they are willing to authorize (paid translation, with legal expert review, if utmost necessary?) 2) if WMF doesn't like to have informal versions at all, what do you think to put a suggestion they may use informal versions volunteer community may provide? For your information, putting informal and unauthorized language versions on the official site is the way FSS handle their licensing documents including GFDL. I don't like the current situation. Language community as well its specific language readership, worth handy access to information how their privacy are treated. Cheers, -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] multilingual mailing list
Hi there, I personally welcome multilingual mailinglists, officially including it, but not sure if the community at large welcome such regardless its efficiency in general. I use my twitter account for speaking in Japanese and mostly, and have seen many non Japanese people including Wikimedians have unfollowed me + on Wikimania I've met several people who uttered "oh you have an twitter accout? Lovely! Oh you don't tweet in English ... no thanks". I'm not sarcastic, but we need lingua franca, not only our beloved mother tongue. That's an reality of this "jenseit" world. On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Samuel Klein wrote: > John Vandenberg writes: >>> This *is* a multilingual list. All languages are welcome here. >> >> While they are welcome, they are typically shoveled away to another >> list very quickly. >> >> A multilingual space is one where English is not the principle >> language, and/or people are not expected to use English if they can. >> foundation-l *does* expect people to use English if they can. > > I don't want to anthropomorphize the list, but it's certainly true > that having 99 out of 100 messages in English makes people who want to > write in other languages feel shy. > > Most of the deeply eloquent people whose posts I enjoy reading on > lists in other languages do not post here; possibly because they don't > care for the topic but possibly because it takes more effort to be > eloquent in English. And presumably this assumption makes some people > not sign up at all. > > It might not be a bad idea to have a multilingual foundation list > where the expectation is inverted -- that most people won't use > English unless it is their best language, or they find it necessary to > communicate. > > -- > Samuel Klein identi.ca:sj w:user:sj +1 617 529 > 4266 > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] About the catastrophy in Japan
Thank you Juliana and Casey, I am safe. My family too. I'd love to appreciate all supports, concerns and courage expressed both publicly and privately from Wikimedians in all corners. All members of Wikimedians in Kansai are safe. I had contact with each of them. We are in a remote area from the epicenter, so not affected. Things however look really a mess and sorry to hear. I hope best in all in suffered areas, particularly in Tohoku region. As Casey said, all of confirmed info on individual Wikimedians in Japan are fine at this moment including Takashi Ota, Miya, Aokomoriuta, Kzhr and Carkuni. We have not heard from some active Wikimedians recently, but since troubles in public services including communications, electricity and public transportation are reported, it is understandable. I heard some personal troubles from the people in suffered areas and hoe them all the best. In general I think our curiosity need patience for a while: from my own experience in Kobe Great Earthquake it takes days to grasp the whole ongoing incidents. Thank you for your wishes and prayer, Japanese Wikimedians are so active to write on the quake and upload some photos to Commons. We need more time to handle things, but I hope we all are so fine that provide good reports on the quake. Best, On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Casey Brown wrote: > 2011/3/11 Juliana da Costa José : >> Hi, I am working temporarly with Aphaia from Kanzai and did not hear >> from her the last days. > > Naoko mentioned on another list that she was safe and that (I think) > all of the other Japanese Wikimedians that they contacted were fine > too. It's almost 08:00 JST, so I expect most of them to be coming > online and giving updates soon. :-) > > -- > Casey Brown > Cbrown1023 > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Editor Survey, 2011
Thank you Guillaume, and all those who are in charge, please give a look to translators-l archives (if possible, join it)! There our volunteer translators are looking forward replies for more accurate translations. On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 8:16 PM, Guillaume Paumier wrote: > Hi, > > Le jeudi 10 mars 2011 à 02:00 -0500, MZMcBride a écrit : >> >> Apologies for the slew of questions. I skimmed the FAQ, but didn't see any >> of these answered. > > I've added some of these questions to the FAQ page; I cherry-picked > those that I thought would be really "frequently asked", based on my > personal experience with Wikimedians. > > http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_survey_FAQ > > Questions I left out seemed to be (constructive) feedback rather than > common questions, so they should probably go on the feedback page: > > http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Editor_survey_feedback > > -- > Guillaume Paumier > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] IRC general meetings
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 6:21 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: > Reminder that an open community meeting is proposed for this Saturday, > Feb. 5. on IRC: freednode#wikimedia > > Please add your agenda items! > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_meetings > > based on feedback I'd like to move the time down to 1800-1900 UTC > (that's 10 am PST). And it's 3am JST ... the open community is intended to or doesn't mind kicking out Asia and Oceania? I'm really worried to the increase of meetings in these hours and on contrary to abolishment of time rotated series of meetings. > > Let me know if you can help moderate. > Looking forward to it, > Phoebe > > > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:54 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Back in September we had an open community IRC meeting, where we >> introduced the new Trustees and talked about various issues. It was >> pretty successful and we discussed afterwards making such "community >> meetings" a regular event. >> >> I'd like to revive this idea :) I've made a proposal for having >> community meetings on the first Saturday of the month: >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_meetings >> >> Which would make the first upcoming meeting on February 5. >> >> I proposed 17:00UTC as a time, but please discuss good days/times on >> the talk page if you are interested in attending; we'll need to rotate >> times. >> >> I envision this as not really a Q&A session like the staff office >> hours, but rather as a chance for community members to get together >> and talk about important issues in a structured way. To that end, >> please add your proposed agenda items to the wiki. It would also be >> great to have some volunteers to take notes/moderate. >> >> Of course this is just an experiment -- but there seemed to be a lot >> of interest in having such meetings, so I'd like to try it out. Let me >> know what you think and if you'd be interested. >> >> best, >> Phoebe >> >> -- >> * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers >> gmail.com * >> > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions
Respectfully disagreed re: change from meta to plain wikimedia.org It would be of our convenience but other projects specially non-Wikipedia ones might be weakened their presence. As an invididual Wikiquotian, I'm afraid of that. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:40 AM, Pharos wrote: > On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Thomas Dalton > wrote: >> On 28 January 2011 20:33, phoebe ayers wrote: >>> Such a solution would make it easier to fold separate wikis >>> (such as a conference wiki) back into Meta when we were done with >>> them, too. >> >> Why fold them into meta afterwards rather than just use Meta from the >> beginning? Isn't the whole point of the proposal that we stop creating >> new wikis for everything? > > Yes, we should start with integrating the most amenable material (ie > the most stable/languishing material on side wikis) onto meta as a > first step in the project. > > Changing the url from meta.wikimedia.org to plain vanilla > wikimedia.org would be one of the last steps, actually. > > This should certainly be a multi-stage process, not something that's > done all in one blow, but it would definitely be good to start a > project for adapting new namespaces on meta soon. > > Thanks, > Richard > (User:Pharos) > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions
I rather welcome these changes. Also I support improvement on Meta feedback pages: a single page seems a better solution in these days. Historically the foundation wiki was restricted just for avoiding spams, as far as I understood. Later we found some users who were proud of the foundation & movement knowledge weren't knowledgeable as they believed (information they had were outdated etc.), so to some extent restriction have made a sense. But I'd like to point out it was in days we had no FlaggedRev extention yet. For spamming concerns, I think FR will be a solution. Other concerns, on pages we don't want anyone touch casually, we need to take more time to consider what is the best. But not criticism, but a mere fact, I would point out wmf site whose editors have been all highly trusted users hasn't been immune from edit warring. Seeking for openness on foundation wiki fits the nature of our community and movement, I think, which the wiki should represents to the world. Cheers, On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 3:05 PM, James Alexander wrote: > On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:34 AM, Erik Moeller wrote: > >> 2011/1/27 MZMcBride : >> > In the spirit of being bold, I've taken a number of steps to correct what >> I >> > view as deficiencies in the current contribution system, all of which >> I'll >> > outline in this e-mail. If anyone has objections to these changes, >> they're >> > more than welcome to revert them and we can discuss ways to improve the >> > overall situation.[2] >> >> Looks great to me :-) >> >> I agree that the edit restrictions on the WMF wiki are very >> unfortunate and there's still much more that can be done (perhaps one >> day leading toward www.wikimedia.org as a single information, >> collaboration and discussion hub, subsuming both WMF and Meta, and >> possibly other backstage wikis). >> >> -- >> Erik Möller >> Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation >> >> Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > > > Agreed, There are pages that you would obviously not want touched but I > really wish it could be more open. In the long run I agree I think we want > something more all encompassing with the community etc. I believe there is > an extension that turns on raw html for protected pages only or by > namespace... though I've never used them before. In the long run I'm sure > there are lots of options but in the short run I like the changes. > > > -- > James Alexander > jameso...@gmail.com > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Pew Research Report on Wikipedia]
On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Pharos wrote: > There's a high correlation between broadband and income levels that > probably has more to do with it. Not worldwide I assume, broadband availability seems to depend on geographic conditions. In some areas broadband isn't available at all, like in small Japanese peripheral islands. ADSL is the possible fastest mean for connection. On the other hand, in urban areas, there is no or little price difference between broadband and other means, specially if the former is equipped by building owners or such. While I agree on that using images is not so nice always for those people and that lynx helps much in low speed connection (it was my friend too), I wonder who knows it specially among Window users in these days. > > Thanks, > Pharos > > On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> "Broadband use remains another predictor, as 59% of those with home >> broadband use the service, compared with 26% of those who connect to the >> internet through dial-up." >> >> Many images... Although a sophisticated user can turn them off or use lynx. >> >> Fred >> >> User:Fred Bauder >> >> --- Original Message >> Subject: [Wiki-research-l] Pew Research Report on Wikipedia >> From:"phoebe ayers" >> Date:Thu, January 13, 2011 1:53 pm >> To: "Research into Wikimedia content and communities" >> >> - >> >> As you all may have seen there is tons of media coverage coming out >> around Wikipedia's 10th anniversary (Jan 15, 2011). In the midst of >> this the Pew Internet Research Center released a new report today: >> >> "Wikipedia, past and present" >> http://pewinternet.org/Reports/2011/Wikipedia.aspx >> >> -- phoebe >> >> -- >> * I use this address for lists; send personal messages to phoebe.ayers >> gmail.com * >> >> ___ >> Wiki-research-l mailing list >> wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiki-research-l >> >> >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Central Notice is still not up?
OK, thanks. I'm looking forward to seeing them! On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:34 AM, Casey Brown wrote: > 2011/1/11 KIZU Naoko : >> Casey published most of translated banners. Thank you very much, Casey >> and all translators! > > No problem, and I thank the translators too! > >> I have no idea why I haven't seen it on any wiki though ... ;( > > I published them all, so they're loaded in the system, but the banners > aren't live yet. They should go live soon after they're done being > built. Since the translations are all loaded in the system, the only > thing we're waiting on is the banners themselves. :-) > > -- > Casey Brown > Cbrown1023 > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Central Notice is still not up?
Hello, Casey published most of translated banners. Thank you very much, Casey and all translators! I have no idea why I haven't seen it on any wiki though ... ;( On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Steven Walling wrote: > I've answered this on Wikix-l, FYI. > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikix-l/2011-January/000249.html > > Steven > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 5:50 AM, HW wrote: > >> It is only 4 days left to 15 January, which is Wikipedia birthday. >> >> Some language translation on meta is ready or proofreading. Since we should >> let >> the editor and reader know about that, I think we shall put up the central >> notice as soon as possible and it should be down on the end of January >> since >> http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:January_2011 list that except 23 >> January, >> the wikipedian still have activity so I suggest the notice should be up on >> today, 11-1-2010 and down on 31-1-2010 or longer. >> >> Thank you. >> >> HW >> >> >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > _______ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] January 15 retro?
Oh nostargic. It is a Japanese anime, originally titled "chiisana viking, bikke" (Little Viking, Vicke). One of my favorites 30 years ago. For those who don't know, it's a adventurous story of a little but smart and bold Viking boy, unlike all surrounding tend to rely on power and violence, to solve matters with his wisdom. For trivia, the original title song is there: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-s2TjW46Pw On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > In German there was a children's tv show about "Wickie the Viking", > with a popular intro song: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgVjAY0n2fQ > > A Wikipedian came up with a new, Wiki-related text: > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:Neitram/Hey_hey_Wiki > > Greetings > Ziko > > > 2011/1/10 emijrp : >> We need a Free Knowledge Song, similar to the Free Software Song[1][2]. It >> is cool to sing it in these events. >> >> [1] http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html >> [2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw >> >> 2011/1/8 Lodewijk >> >>> can't we just rename Breakfast to Wikipedia Party Breakfast? :P >>> >>> 2011/1/8 Philippe Beaudette >>> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Jan 7, 2011, at 7:04 PM, James Alexander wrote: >>> > >>> > > On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Pharos >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> I actually tried to set up a geonotice to catch Wikipedian >>> > >> Antarcticans a while back, but unfortunately the convergence of the >>> > >> longitude lines kind of threw it off :P >>> > >> >>> > >> Thanks, >>> > >> Pharos >>> > >> >>> > > There is an 'Antarctica' in the Central Notice country list... I wonder >>> > if >>> > > the IPs actually geolocate to it... >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > I'll save you some trouble. :) >>> > >>> > I've been in touch with the folks behind the joint research station, >>> > Antarctica. This is a very very scaled down time of year for them, and >>> > they're in a pure maintenance mode, at the moment. Through a friend, I >>> was >>> > able to get someone to make both an edit and a contribution from there >>> (so >>> > we could say "every continent") but a party of any type - even three guys >>> > and a glass of grape juice - was a non-starter. >>> > >>> > pb >>> > ___ >>> > foundation-l mailing list >>> > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >>> > >>> ___ >>> foundation-l mailing list >>> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >>> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > > > -- > Ziko van Dijk > The Netherlands > http://zikoblog.wordpress.com/ > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] January 15 retro?
I support Lodewijk and Delphine. Wikipedia 10 logo is fine, but it's less impulsive. 2011/1/6 Delphine Ménard : > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:59 AM, MZMcBride wrote: >> Steven Walling wrote: >>> "The other Wikipedias weren't started on that date, so they have nothing to >>> celebrate or commemorate." >>> >>> The anniversary is not just about English Wikipedia. If this was just >>> English Wikipedia's celebration, there certainly wouldn't be more than 100 >>> events organized in dozens of countries and on every continent except >>> Antarctica. >> >> That's incredibly poor logic. Only the English Wikipedia is going to be ten >> years old on January 15, 2011. If people around the world want to throw >> parties for the English Wikipedia's tenth anniversary, they're of course >> free to. But that doesn't change the facts, even if people will be partying >> in six of seven continents. Don't be silly. > > If we're gonna go the silly route, I'm happy to say that as a French > living in Germany, I couldn't care less what dates the French and > German Wikipedia were actually "online". What's fun here is that there > was a time when there wasn't Wikipedia, and there was a time when > suddenly there was Wikipedia. > > So yep, I'd say go for retro and agree with Steven, should be retro > and not Wikipedia 10 mark (people will have thought we have changed > our logo). Or some kind of wikidoodle thing that someone comes up with > quick (I hope Google is making their own Doodle for us ;)), but that > should be on ALL Wikipedias, not just on the English one. It only > makes sense if it's everywhere and has wordlwide impact. > > And I go with Lodewijk. Man, if there are ways of partying twice, > let's go for it! > > Delphine > -- > @notafish > > NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get > lost. > Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org > Photos with simple eyes: notaphoto - http://photo.notafish.org > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] January 15 retro?
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 9:59 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 6 January 2011 00:56, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > >> It may be a bit late to ship t-shirts to Antarctica and, they are likely to >> be not warm enough. > > > We're talking about the finest mad scientists of the modern era. > No-one goes to Antarctica without being a genuine paid-up mad > scientist and proud of it! > > No. It is *essential* we arrange a Wikimedia anniversary event in > Antarctica. The penguins will thank us. And polar bears groan us but besides that, I think it's a fantastic idea to get those scientists involved into the event, if possible. Even if it's less fantastic to get scientists on ISS involved ... > > > - d. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2010 videos
Thirded On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Erkan Yilmaz wrote: > +1 > > last info I read was: > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimania-l/2010-October/002437.html I say so, because the quality of stream was amazing so that sometimes it gave a much clearer view of slideshow than with my own eyes. They deserve more wider publication than just being watched at that moment. I'm looking forward to watch these videos really. > > On Sun, Jan 2, 2011 at 11:49 PM, Mike.lifeguard > wrote: > >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Hello, >> >> Now that registration is open for Wikimania 2011, I wonder why the >> videos from Wikimania 2010 are not uploaded somewhere yet. >> >> Could the 2010 organizers please comment on this state of affairs? >> >> - -Mike >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- >> Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) >> >> iEYEARECAAYFAk0hAOoACgkQst0AR/DaKHvrkgCfc5hjal43X+LQOmj7SXcLtKVU >> 7UAAn131m23QbZ7hS5DiwYZ/Ti4S/t9r >> =qoEt >> -END PGP SIGNATURE- >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > > > -- > Find me at: > > Systems Thinking World Group: > http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=2639211&trk=anet_ug_hm > > ** > This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in > error) > please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. > Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material > in this e-mail is strictly forbidden. > > Diese eMail enthaelt vertrauliche und/oder rechtlich geschuetzte > Informationen. > Wenn Sie nicht der richtige Adressat sind oder diese eMail irrtuemlich > erhalten > haben, informieren Sie bitte sofort den Absender und vernichten Sie diese > Mail. > Das unerlaubte Kopieren sowie die unbefugte Weitergabe dieser Mail ist nicht > gestattet. > ****** > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banners coming down for most logged in users
2010/12/21 Philippe Beaudette : > Naoko, > > We're actually still figuring out the right way to use the centralnotice for > advertising events. We're concerned about not overwhelming particular > events, but also with making sure that the word gets out - it's a bit of a > balancing act. Point taken, and that is primarily I'd like to get you involved. All of us would like to make a balance I suppose. One thing I haven't mentioned on the list is ... a concern if advertising WP focusing events on other projects. There would be various opinions, but giving a thought on this issue for hours, I reached a conclusion it would be much better than holding such events without inviting other project participants (like me). The latter could be more insulting. > > Once we've figured out the best way to go about doing that (and we'd > appreciate any suggestions), we'll start putting a process into place. Do you have any timeline? The earliest events (not of ours) will be held in less than a month and everyone is rushing into holidays ... > > Centralnotice is like a cannon... we don't want to direct a notice at > millions of people, if the party isn't ready for the potential end result. Sure, but if I didn't mentioned (uh-oh and it was very likely then sorry), we at WiKansai are mainly interested in making a limit using CN thanks to geotarget: jawiki users are not only living in Japan. I suppose it might be much more concerns in language projects whose languages are more widely spoken beyond border of one country. Cheers, > > pb > > ___ > Philippe Beaudette > Head of Reader Relations > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > pbeaude...@wikimedia.org > > Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share > in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > http://donate.wikimedia.org > > On Dec 20, 2010, at 8:11 PM, KIZU Naoko wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette >> wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> A quick announcement: we are temporarily turning off the fundraising >>> banners for most logged in users. This will continue most likely through >>> the end of the year. We did some quick checking and realized that most >>> people who are logged in and intend to give have already given. The >>> banners will stay off for a while, and we'll most likely not turn them on >>> until after the first of the year for a final wrap-up push. >> >> So will they come back after New Year's Day? >>> >>> For those of you in chapter areas, as always, the chapters control >>> messaging in their territories - this should only impact users who are in >>> the areas where the fundraiser messaging is controlled by the Foundation. >> >> That said, although we at WiKansai are no chapter, we are organizing a >> WikiX event coming very soon - being held on January 22, and aiming to >> publicize it using CentralNotice. I don't know what comes when two >> kinds of banners are put through CN, >> but anyway arrangement would be necessary, although my latest mail >> asking for such arrangement with Foundation hasn't been replied yet. >> >> Cheers, >> >>> >>> Enjoy the respite :) >>> >>> Philippe >>> >>> ___ >>> Philippe Beaudette >>> Head of Reader Relations >>> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. >>> >>> pbeaude...@wikimedia.org >>> >>> Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share >>> in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! >>> >>> http://donate.wikimedia.org >>> >>> ___ >>> foundation-l mailing list >>> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 >> member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Banners coming down for most logged in users
Hello, On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > Hi everyone, > > A quick announcement: we are temporarily turning off the fundraising banners > for most logged in users. This will continue most likely through the end of > the year. We did some quick checking and realized that most people who are > logged in and intend to give have already given. The banners will stay off > for a while, and we'll most likely not turn them on until after the first of > the year for a final wrap-up push. So will they come back after New Year's Day? > > For those of you in chapter areas, as always, the chapters control messaging > in their territories - this should only impact users who are in the areas > where the fundraiser messaging is controlled by the Foundation. That said, although we at WiKansai are no chapter, we are organizing a WikiX event coming very soon - being held on January 22, and aiming to publicize it using CentralNotice. I don't know what comes when two kinds of banners are put through CN, but anyway arrangement would be necessary, although my latest mail asking for such arrangement with Foundation hasn't been replied yet. Cheers, > > Enjoy the respite :) > > Philippe > > ___ > Philippe Beaudette > Head of Reader Relations > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > pbeaude...@wikimedia.org > > Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share > in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > http://donate.wikimedia.org > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikileaks point ? Re: Wikipedia Executive Director?
You can claim to call it Devouard's Law, if preferable. On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Florence Devouard wrote: > On 12/10/10 1:01 AM, Michael Snow wrote: >> On 12/9/2010 3:28 PM, MZMcBride wrote: >>> Calling Jimmy "Wikipedia founder" was already incredibly close to crossing >>> the line. Calling Sue "Wikipedia Executive Director" clearly crosses the >>> line. From reading your posts today, I believe you agree. >>> >>> While I didn't and wouldn't raise the issue of criminality here, the sleazy >>> tactics are in the fundraising approach, not in the criticism. >> Which line are you talking about here? Crediting Jimmy Wales as a >> founder of Wikipedia is indisputable. Yes, other people might wish to >> claim that title as well - based on previous discussions when I was on >> the Board of Trustees, I don't believe the Wikimedia Foundation takes >> any position on that, although obviously Jimmy on a personal level does >> - but none of those other claims can negate Jimmy's. As for referring to >> Sue as "Wikipedia Executive Director", I find it inaccurate and >> confusing, but I know enough about the staff and the fundraising process >> to expect that it was the result of well-meaning attempts at >> communicating concisely with a large audience unfamiliar with our >> organizational details. Assuming good faith, I think it crossed a line >> as far as accuracy goes, but being misguided or inartful hardly makes it >> sleazy. >> >> And yes, it is sleazy and underhanded to insinuate things like criminal >> behavior about other people if you're not willing to commit outright to >> a set of facts to establish a charge or an accusation that can be >> defended against. By way of illustration, that is one of the reasons >> various advocates for a free press, free speech, and other civil >> libertarians are so outraged at some of the government and corporate >> tactics that have been used against Wikileaks in the past week or so. >> >> --Michael Snow > > Lately, I have been wondering if - in a similar way than the Godwin > point appeared a few years ago - we would not see something like a > "Wikileaks point" appears > > Something like > > "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a reference to > Wikileaks approaches 1" to refer to the chance of ending up discussing > censorship and free speech whilst involved in a debate. > > What do you think ? > > Anthere > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Downtime error message turned into monolingual
Sorry for keeping an off-topic (now) for a while; it won't continue so long and I'd love to make the below clear before going to buzgilla. On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Domas Mituzas wrote: >> Like you say, though, it's definitely a technical issue to be taken up >> elsewhere. > > Where you will be told that this is 'working as intended'. & is usually > sent in URLs by broken clients, so we block them as early as possible. Could be (I was passed this URL on twitter by another Wikimedian, he might not intend to give me the exact one I got). Besides that, is it right? - it was a 403 message - it is different from 404 one at this moment, if then are you guys welcome us to make 403 one multilingual? else is there any trouble to reuse 404 one for this purpose too? Cheers, > Domas > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:16 AM, Zack Exley wrote: > OK, everyone -- I learned my lesson! Thanks for teaching it. > > I was looking at it from the perspective of the reader who has never heard > the word "Wikimedia". There are millions and millions of them. Luckily they > simply think we are misspelling Wikipedia, and are donating anyways. We will > continue to answer their emails alerting us to our error with patient > explanations. I'm pretty sympathetic with you. I got same kind emails on OTRS queues I'm taking care of too. How about having Jimmy (in the next time? Or right now?) add one line to his personal message for donors something to try clarification on that, on Wikimedia Foundation is founded for fostering Wikipedia and other sister projects? Donors may notice - at least some of them hopefully. > > -- > Zack Exley > Chief Community Officer > Wikimedia Foundation > > > > > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Nathan wrote: > >> 2010/12/9 Delphine Ménard : >> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:59 PM, Thomas Dalton >> wrote: >> >> On 9 December 2010 18:54, Michael Snow wrote: >> >>> While I understand the challenges in communicating effectively with a >> >>> variety of audiences, I think the point that's been raised is that for >> a >> >>> project that is all about trying to describe things as accurately as >> >>> possible, much of the community feels that in order to maintain a basic >> >>> level of accuracy, it's worth it to forgo whatever additional money we >> >>> might raise by giving it up. To phrase it differently, this is not a >> >>> messaging decision that should be left to the outcome of AB testing. >> >>> That's an argument to which I'm sympathetic. >> >> >> >> That certainly describes my position very well. Thank you. >> > >> > And mine. My thanks too. >> > >> > To even imply that Wikipedia has an executive director is not only a >> > falsehood, but also somehow undermines all the efforts the Wikimedia >> > community has put in over the years to differentiate Wikimedia from >> > Wikipedia, and more importantly, to make sure that it was clear that >> > Wikimedia organisations (chapters and Foundation alike) have no power >> > over editorial content. >> > >> > >> > Delphine >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> I agree completely with Michael Snow and Delphine. The impulse is >> understandable, but it's a mistake to encourage a misunderstanding >> that can undermine the confidence of the public in Wikipedia's >> independence and create confusion about the structure of the WMF and >> its projects. >> >> Nathan >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki[p/m]edia
On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > Hi everyone - > > First, let me thank you all for your concern about the recent banners. > Michael Snow is right - we tested some things, thinking that we could manage > to raise the yield slightly by deliberately attempting to clarify (not to > confuse) for people that the Wikimedia Foundation was directly affiliated > with Wikipedia. Yes, it'll come as a shock to all of you > but there are people who don't know that Wikimedia is anything more than a > mis-spelling of Wikipedia. . When we get letters saying > things like "I'd donate, but only to Wikipedia, not to Wikimedia", it spells > out for us that it's possible we could attract more people with the > institution of Wikipedia than the institution of Wikimedia. > > Did we think it would be "drahma free"? No. Of course not. But it was > based on our best data and with nothing but the very best of intentions. > Suggesting that it was criminal is... well, regrettable. I think that our > data-driven approach has proven to be very successful this year, and this > (hypothesize, test, measure, react) was in line with that method. Obviously, > this topic was more sensitive than many other areas where we've taken this > approach. Thank you for your detailed explanation. It isn't far from what I've imagined: most of us at the community remember the discussion on another recent CentralNotice "Work at Wiki[m|p]edia". So regardless of its evaluation, I guess most of us didn't doubt it was intended on a good faith to improve something. I'm happy to see you brave to admit it was more sensitive than you at the team had presumed, perhaps more sensitive work at wheresoever, and again, as a Wikiquotian & someone who is concerned with the linguistic diversity of this project, personally I appreciate your quick reaction to change it. > > To anyone we offended, I offer my personal apologies. For the record, I at least felt not offended ;) > > With that said, the banners are being changed right now - they'll say > Wikimedia. ;) Again, thanks! > > pb > > ___ > Philippe Beaudette > Head of Reader Relations > Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. > > ofc: +1 415 839 6885 x6643 > mobile: +1 918 200 WIKI (9454) > > pbeaude...@wikimedia.org > > Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in > the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > http://donate.wikimedia.org > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Downtime error message turned into monolingual
Hi, On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Peter Coombe wrote: > On 10 December 2010 00:47, Peter Coombe wrote: >> On 9 December 2010 23:50, MZMcBride wrote: >>> KIZU Naoko wrote: >>>> I've got an error message in trying to access Japanese Wikipedia. It >>>> seems long, but it's not my topic. >>>> IIRC the message from server was multilingualized years ago and we >>>> have offered the message with links to other lang >>>> same messages. >>>> >>>> The message itself seems not changed from the past, but now it's in >>>> English and only without any links to any other language. >>>> >>>> What happened? Who decided to remove lang links? And what is the idea >>>> behind of this removal? >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> I believe you're referring to this error message: >>> <http://ja.wikipedia.org/w/&;>. >>> >>> I remember it being multi-lingual as well. It was also enormous. I'm not >>> sure when or why it was shortened (though my suspicion is that it was >>> shortened because it was enormous). The planning for the message appears to >>> have taken place here: >>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Multilingual_error_messages >>> >> >> Are you sure you're not thinking of this message? >> http://www.doxaliber.it/wp-uploads/images/wikipedia_down_big.jpg >> >> I think you still get that one if there's a server problem, but short >> of getting a plane to Florida and randomly flicking switches I can't >> confirm that! Obviously it's good because its multilingual, but also >> because it has a donate link. Good point! >> >> The 404 error you linked to (http://ja.wikipedia.org/w/&) could >> certainly be improved, though as far as I know it's always been like >> that. Absurd really, how many users who've mistyped an address are >> going to want a database dump? >> >> Pete / the wub >> > > Ah disregard the first part of my message. Gmail wasn't including the > semicolon as part of your link. I copy pasted it to get the right one. And thank you for noticing me/us it's somehow weird. Without the entity "&" it works - so we might find two things to fix. I'll later file the bug on the entity related thing, it seems a pure technical thing and need to dig up further here. > Yes, I definitely remember that being multilingual as well, wonder > what happened to it? > > My comment about the 404 message being poor still stands though. > > Pete / the wub > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Downtime error message turned into monolingual
Hi, I've got an error message in trying to access Japanese Wikipedia. It seems long, but it's not my topic. IIRC the message from server was multilingualized years ago and we have offered the message with links to other lang same messages. The message itself seems not changed from the past, but now it's in English and only without any links to any other language. What happened? Who decided to remove lang links? And what is the idea behind of this removal? Cheers, -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?
I don't support this word choice: on twitter.com Japanese speaking reader mistook it as "one of English Wikipedia admins" "someone who writes articles" etc. Not only "smaller" projects but also on the Wikipedia, this factual error is better to correct I think. I heard it placed only on enwiki (in a downtime I haven't confirmed yet), but English is no mother tongue of every reader of the English Wikipedia. Factual error and language barriers may spread false information. Cheers, On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Philippe Beaudette > wrote: >> FWIW >> >> The word Wikipedia wasn't supposed to make it to sister sites, and that's >> being fixed right now, so pardon my quick note... I'll write a bit more >> later about the term as being used on Wikipedia, but the error in pushing it >> out to sister sites is being corrected right now, so I wanted to acknowledge >> that... > > Wikipedia does not have an Executive Director, or anything of the > sort. That title suggests that Sue has the final say over content. I > don't think it should be used anywhere. > > But, thanks for at least removing it from the 'smaller' projects. > > -- > John Vandenberg > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] [Fundraising] PayFlowWhatsoever (sorry I forget) and foreign currency exchange
Hello, Browsing ja.uncyclopedia.info, I got criticism on the current fundraising (personally I took it hilarious, and it's just a background). Among those, one thing may deserve serious consideration to fix: foreign currency switch doesn't work well in the current setting, even if it is not utterly useless. There are four buttons for donation whose amount is given in wiki page, as template value. These values are variables of the template so they are therefore fixed for visitors. The interface has currency selection switch so our donors can choose their favorite currency: the money amount with buttons remains as before. So if you landed in Japanese I/F and changed your currency into USD, you would get four suggestions: 10K, 5K, 3K and 1.5K USD. :D I'm aware donors can still use the form to fill with any given amount they prefer, so it isn't a total nonsense, but I'd like to know if there is any possibility to alter the current specification to increase usability. Cheers, -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraiser statistics
Time to use community input? There have been lots of suggestions and ideas on banners on eta... On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Przykuta wrote: > Hmm. We need change strategy. Banners work well, but without changes - you > know. > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics > > przykuta > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Moderation (was: should not web server logs (of requests) be published?)
I love your recent message, Birgitte, it was well written and thoughtful. On the other hand I'm doubtful it worked to cool down those who got involved: some may have taken it to lose his face, or not. Things may sometimes work weirdly, out of control and original intention. Not saying the best, but other way of attempt to cool down is to speak off-list. Heuristically it works often. Not always, though. There would be no snake oil. After I mentioned Wikimedia troll, Will thought it meant him and sent me some mails. I told him it was an in-joke (Bostonian Maniacs may remember that) but not further. Besides annotation to a joke is dull, apparently he was caught in a bad faith and no further words might work I foresaw. Not only ban but also moderation shouldn't be taken lightly. I think however our moderator acted rightly in this case. Hope this moderation works to a good direction as intended. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Birgitte SB wrote: > > > > > - Original Message >> From: Ryan Lomonaco >> To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List >> Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 7:37:17 PM >> Subject: [Foundation-l] Moderation (was: should not web server logs (of >>requests) be published?) >> >> >> >> - Non-moderators should feel free to take a more active role in cooling down >> discussions. Moderators can't watch the list 24/7, and just one post >> imploring a few heated participants to think before they hit "send" can be >> very helpful. >> > > > My last message to Will was not the best I could have sent. I rushed it off > as > I was finishing a continually interrupted lunch with only two drafts. I have > found that nearly every single message that I have sent here which has > noticeably provoked others or escalated a thread has been one I did not spend > much time on. Of course I think they are perfectly good when I send them. I > am > quite fond of what I come with to say and I *always* initially think > everything > I write is clever and calm. But if give myself enough time for that first > blush > of vanity to fade, I will usually drastically rewrite my draft. Most of the > time > I draft a message four or five times. A particularly long message either sits > overnight or through a commute. And for every four times I hit reply and > start > to write I probably only send three emails or else cut out 80% of the early > draft. Sometimes it only take three sentences and sometime three drafts > before > I realize there no helpful way for me to respond to something. But generally > speaking it is hard to hold on to a bad idea for very long without recognizing > it for what it is. I imagine everyone has different thresholds for this and I > can't imagine that anyone contributes to this list so that they might have > platform on which to be a jerk. But if there is anyone who sends on every > message they begin to write in less than five minutes please consider that > either you should apply for sainthood or that some percentage of your messages > are contributing a problem here. It would be really nice if the percentage of > provocative messages could be lowered and I intend to try do my part in that. > > Birgitte SB > > > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?
Perhaps the definition of substance is different between you and me, Gerard, but I don't expect you won't disagree it's important for us at the community at large to confirm the Wikimedia accredited troll alive and go well around. /me ducks On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 5:29 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 29 November 2010 19:39, wrote: > > > I suspect you are the only person on this thread who considers that > you are asking for something substantive and important. I rather suspected WJhonson just didn't know to talk with one of our sysadmins ... > > > - d. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] on fundraiser :)
On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Przykuta wrote: >> >> I tried to come up with good number of how many times those ads get shown, >> but it is somewhat complicated - so I will assume that Facebook and Google >> always show, and Wikipedia does show only 10% of the year. >> I will not involve ethics or relevance argument, as I don't support 100% of >> WMF direction either :-) >> > > Hmm. Could we use better link in Sidebar (with WMF logo or another image)? > Better than simple "Donate" Support for increasing visibility. I surprised many people when I told them "donate" link had existed all over year. Not sure if WMF logo is the best choice at this moment, people often don't know what it is. > > przykuta > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] 5M by 2 weeks
I fully agree this year's team does a good job and get best results, but in regard of internationalization and localizability, I'm saddened not to agree this year's one is the best managed. Some of my concerns I have explained on internal-l, and it caused confusions to some non English aspirant donors (some mailed their perplexions to otrs). Those confusions have been caused by - strong anglocentric system messages like "First" and "Last" names - some translations were literal and couldn't kept the original intention. - removal of manual lang selector: if a donor is eventually in a foreign country with a national chapter, they have no way to get the landing page in their mother tongue. Not every foreign resident is fluent in the lang of their residence. I don't oppose the general observation this year's fundraising is well done, but it shouldn't be the same to ignore linguistic minority, nor to abandon of effort to keep our multiligualisation which we at the global Wikimedia community have pursued for this decade. On Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: > The $5M over 15 days is very good news. > > I think it is fair to say that this appears to be the best managed > fundraiser to date. It has exhibited both high production values and > a high level of awareness about how to draw in the small-scale donors > that are the backbone of the annual fundraiser. In addition, the > communication with the community about the fundraiser seems to have > improved over previous years. > > So great work guys. Keep it up. > > -Robert Rohde > > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Przykuta wrote: >> :] >> >> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics >> >> and news >> >> http://pl.wikinews.org/wiki/Fundacja_Wikimedia_zebra%C5%82a_5_milion%C3%B3w_dolar%C3%B3w_w_ci%C4%85gu_2_tygodni >> >> We could expect >20M this year... ;) >> >> best regards >> >> przykuta >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book
I see, thanks Mike. Personally I'm not for this kind of attempt, I'd rather agree with Ryan: if and only if they complies with CC-BY-SA deeds, is there any room for us to prevent them legally to spread it even in a surprisingly overestimated price? Thought? 2010/11/2 M. Williamson : > The issue is that this book: > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6131076278/ > > is a direct copy of the English Wikipedia article. > > There are many more books like this made by the same company. > > > 2010/11/1 KIZU Naoko : >> Well while Ryan and Fred look having a valid concern, on this particular >> issue >> I have no idea what you guys discuss. >> >> The article seems to be a full translation of Japanese Wikipedia >> article which seem to be based on three Japanese books (see >> "references" in the jawiki article) all in paper, not robo-books. >> >> On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: >>> It is actually becoming somewhat difficult to search for books on >>> obscure subjects on Amazon or Alibris without being completely spammed >>> with matches for "robo-books" automatically generated from Wikipedia >>> articles. Recently, I was doing research for a Wikipedia article on a >>> rather obscure type of spider, and I came very close to buying a book on >>> it before I realized that it was actually just a reprint of the content >>> I had already written for the article. So I almost paid someone for my >>> own writing! Perhaps we should put together a project to keep track of >>> these robo-book publishers so that we can start asking for some >>> royalties (or else sue them for not giving us proper credit). >>> >>> Ryan Kaldari >>> >>> On 10/31/10 9:41 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >>>> There is a book review of a 98 page book supposedly about Ukita >>>> Kōkichi (who apparently prematurely invented the hang glider) >>>> >>>> http://blog.seattlepi.com/travelforaircraft/archives/226709.asp >>>> >>>> Which consists of this Wikipedia article: >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukita_K%C5%8Dkichi >>>> >>>> and a few others >>>> >>>> Listed on Amazon for 50 bucks: >>>> >>>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6131076278/ >>>> >>>> together with a bevy of other sellers: >>>> >>>> http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/6131076278/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new >>>> >>>> Fred >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> foundation-l mailing list >>>> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> foundation-l mailing list >>> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 >> member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Evil Book
Well while Ryan and Fred look having a valid concern, on this particular issue I have no idea what you guys discuss. The article seems to be a full translation of Japanese Wikipedia article which seem to be based on three Japanese books (see "references" in the jawiki article) all in paper, not robo-books. On Tue, Nov 2, 2010 at 5:09 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: > It is actually becoming somewhat difficult to search for books on > obscure subjects on Amazon or Alibris without being completely spammed > with matches for "robo-books" automatically generated from Wikipedia > articles. Recently, I was doing research for a Wikipedia article on a > rather obscure type of spider, and I came very close to buying a book on > it before I realized that it was actually just a reprint of the content > I had already written for the article. So I almost paid someone for my > own writing! Perhaps we should put together a project to keep track of > these robo-book publishers so that we can start asking for some > royalties (or else sue them for not giving us proper credit). > > Ryan Kaldari > > On 10/31/10 9:41 AM, Fred Bauder wrote: >> There is a book review of a 98 page book supposedly about Ukita >> Kōkichi (who apparently prematurely invented the hang glider) >> >> http://blog.seattlepi.com/travelforaircraft/archives/226709.asp >> >> Which consists of this Wikipedia article: >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukita_K%C5%8Dkichi >> >> and a few others >> >> Listed on Amazon for 50 bucks: >> >> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/6131076278/ >> >> together with a bevy of other sellers: >> >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/6131076278/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new >> >> Fred >> >> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >> > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] subtitles for Wikimedia videos
Agreed to use the same labels in interlang, for the target non-English speaking audience, labels in a foreign language (in this case English) may work not every time. On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Marcus Buck wrote: > An'n 04.10.2010 21:32, hett Erik Moeller schreven: >> 2010/10/3 Marcus Buck: >>> I saw it unfolded now. Thanks! One small issue: 'nds' is not Dutch. It's >>> Low Saxon. And I have no subtitle selection menu (just an on/off switch >>> that gives me random language subtitles) with HTML5, but I guess that's >>> a problem of either my browser or YouTube and cannot be fixed on >>> Wikimedia's side. >> Thanks for the report. I've made a renewed call for translations here: >> >> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2010-October/001184.html >> >> Please continue to report any issues. We'll import any new >> translations and fixes after the translation deadline, October 15. > > Sigh. I just checked the videos. 'nds' isn't called "Dutch" anymore, > istead it is now called "German: Low German". I have no idea what that > is supposed to mean. In one of the other videos it is called "German: > LowGerman" and in one even "German". The language 'nds' refers to is > called "Low Saxon" and I don't think that Low Saxon will be all that > useful for users expecting German subtitles after clicking on "German". > > How about just using the same labels we use on our interwiki links? > > Marcus Buck > User:Slomox > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation-l word cloud
Mi piace molto, grazie :) It's fun some particular timezones are highly visible than others, but can you please generate another version which strips all headers like Date:? More content oriented version would be also interested. A presto, On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > You may be interested in the word cloud I created with the full archive > of foundation-l: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Foundation-l_word_cloud_small.png > You can find it at a bigger resolution and with the "source code" (if > you want to improve it) here: > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Foundation-l_word_cloud.png > > Nemo > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia
As mentioned, closure of a language version has its own page "proposal for closure of [that wiki]" on Meta, so no needs to open an RFC. If we consider A as a language or a dialect should be treated in a scientific manner. In general if there is an language either natural (like English, German ...) or artificial (like esperanto) which is mainly used for serious needs in real life, like communications and spreading knowledge, they deserve a wiki in our convention. In that case, even if its community agrees on closure, it's better to freeze and wait for a future chance a healthy community can revive that, not to delete all both content and subdomain unless the content is supposed to be illegal or the claimed language is a crappy invention of some individual(s). Wikimedia exists to spread free knowledge, not to push a certain POV, like redeeming a self-esteem sentiment of a particular ethnic or national group. Cheers, On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > > > On Oct 3, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Newyorkbrad wrote: > >> And, something I should >> already know the answer to but just realized I don't, who within the >> foundation or community makes this type of decisions, anyway? > > > One of the key points that kept being reiterated in the Strategic > Planning process was that we have no method for "failing well". For > saying - we tried this, and it didn't work (I'm not saying that's the > case here, but I'm just using this as an example). The community > makes the determination to close a language version, putatively, but > in practical terms it's proven difficult to do. Generally it's an RfC > on Meta. I think the last major contentious one was the Simple > English Wikiquote? Once the decision is made, then it falls to the > developers to actually flip the switch or say the magic words, or do > whatever it is they do to close the project. > > Philippe > > > > > Philippe Beaudette > Head of Reader Relations > Wikimedia Foundation > > phili...@wikimedia.org > > Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in > the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! > > http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100 Press Release
Hi, slightly off-topic, but for those who wonder what is "Kansai group", I'd love to give some clues as its members, as follows: meta page: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WiKansai (mostly written in Japanese but some English description) own wiki: http://kansai.wikimedia.jp For information of [[Kansai]] region may be found on your favorite Wikipedia. Having over 3.5 millions' population, Kyoto, Osaka and Kobe are situated - rich of both historical and modern elements including active FLOSS vibes. We at Wikimedians in Kansai are no legal body and currently consist in only five people, so don't fall into the category of aspirant chapters - a legal body with over 25 supporter. It might be no big deal to gather such other 20 people, but we decided to take actions before satisfying formal requirements. At least at this moment it goes quite smoothly. I agree with Milos on that would be a way for Kosovan people. Again, I'd repeat at least it works well for us very much and we would not be the last people in such a situation. Cheers, On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 13:35, Thomas Dalton wrote: >> So your proposal is basically to make the Kosovan group a recognised >> non-chapter group (like we're talking about doing with the Kansai >> group) and then "upgrade" them to chapter status at a later date >> if/when it is less contentious to do so? That could work. > > If that means full integration [without just official chapter status], > then yes. I would give to the both groups right to vote for chapters > elected Board seats, too. This is especially true for the Kansai > group, which would have more members than some chapters; while > FLOSSK's free knowledge group has members as any smaller chapter has. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Page eliminators at ptwiki
Hi, I noticed it through the Wikimedia server log and keep an interest how it goes. Already one month passed ... could you please give us a review and report, even as interim? On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 12:51 AM, GoEthe.wiki wrote: > Hi. > > At ptwiki, we recently implemented a usergroup to help with the backlog of > requests for speedy deletions, articles for deletion, and others (see > http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Eliminadores). This was done to try > to dismistify the admin role, and increase community participation in admin > tasks, trying to counteract the significant decrease in the number of admins > during the past two year (we currently have less than 40 admins). I invite > you all to accompany this as I believe that the success or failure of this > strategy will have valuable lessons for other projects. > > Best, > GoEThe > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] New Wikipedia videos being released this week
ject together. We also owe the >>> organizers of 2010's Wikimania conference a great deal of thanks for helping >>> us sort out the production on the ground and for letting us borrow >>> participants for short interviews. >>> >>> What's next? >>> The remaining clips will be posted on Commons and other video sharing sites >>> through Friday. Once they're all announced we'll share another note with all >>> of the links. You can follow the progress and hear what the public thinks on >>> identi.ca and twitter. We hope to see the videos make an appearance in >>> media and other blogs too. >>> >>> Hope you enjoy! >>> >>> -- >>> Jay Walsh >>> Head of Communications >>> WikimediaFoundation.org >>> blog.wikimedia.org >>> +1 (415) 839 6885 x 609, @jansonw >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately >>> directed to Foundation-L, the public mailing list about the Wikimedia >>> Foundation and its projects. For more information about Foundation-L: >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l >>> ___ >>> WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list >>> wikimediaannounc...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaannounce-l >>> >> ___ >> foundation-l mailing list >> foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > -- KIZU Naoko / 木津尚子 member of Wikimedians in Kansai / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会 http://kansai.wikimedia.jp ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
