Re: Announcing Board of Directors Elections 2019: revamped timeline
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Re: Announcing Board of Directors Elections 2019: revamped timeline
Hi, On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 12:41 PM Tobias Mueller wrote: > Hi, > > On Mon, 2019-05-27 at 07:48 -0500, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > > On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:12 AM, Andrea Veri wrote: > > > I didn't express myself clearly enough: I really meant we haven't > > > received enough candidacies for the elections and the voting phase > > > to > > > begin, thus the need to extend the timelines. We currently collected > > > a > > > total of 5 candidates, 2 to go for the elections to actually start: > > > > This seems like case in point for why we should switch to two-year > > terms! Hopefully this will be the final election in which we elect > > seven directors all at the same time. > I think it's not a very good case for a longer term, though. > Just a few mails earlier we have seen an email in which a candidate > wondered whether they could make enough time available. > With a longer term that problem gets worse, not better. At one point the board discussed allowing candidates to run either for a two year or one year term. I think that would solve your issue: candidates who are working on projects that require more time can run for a two year term and those who are unable to make a long term commitment could run for a one year term. Meg > > > Cheers, > Tobi > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the board meeting of April 29, 2019
Hi Carlos, Rob, thanks for the fantastic answers :) You've written: On Wed, 2019-05-22 at 14:18 +0200, Carlos Soriano wrote: > While my duty if I want to continue this work is to apply again and > convince the membership to vote for me, this have a non-negligible > overhead. In my case, the uncertainty is making me focusing more on > preparing for a possible full hand off in less than a month than on > keep working on it. This is not healthy, and this doesn't work well. First of all: I agree. But: I think we'd be better off if we can establish that your work will still be valuable even if you are not a director (any more). (And for completeness sake: the "you" is the general "you", not second person singular.) I think we'd rather want to enable members to do valuable work for the Foundation than to limit ourselves to letting Directors do it. Then, your premise "if I want to continue this work" does not hold, because you could just do the work. My memory is fading, but I think there was a time where Board wanted to be more like facilitators than executives. As an aside: The scenario that you described is that you are running again, present your work to the membership as part of your platform and tell them that they should vote for you in order for you to get that job done. Then the membership does not give you their vote. Now considering the proposal at hand, it seems to enforce the director being in power against the will of the membership. That seems like a change the members should not like. > At the end of the day is a matter of balance, and between the minimum > term of 1 year and the other extreme of no elections, we can find a > middle ground that works better with the new responsibilities and kind > of work the board needs to do nowadays. yeah, absolutely. I guess we're in the process of finding out :) > > It worth to mention that it's easier for any any person to commit to > just one year Yes! So I don't understand the logic that prolonging the term makes it easier for candidates to step up. > But this is not what we have found good for the foundation and the > directors going forward, so we believe a longer commitment will most > probably be what's needed. But considering your statement above this paragraph, I don't understand how making it harder for candidates to step up is "most probably what's needed". Cheers, Tobi ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing Board of Directors Elections 2019: revamped timeline
Hi, On Mon, 2019-05-27 at 07:48 -0500, mcatanz...@gnome.org wrote: > On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:12 AM, Andrea Veri wrote: > > I didn't express myself clearly enough: I really meant we haven't > > received enough candidacies for the elections and the voting phase > > to > > begin, thus the need to extend the timelines. We currently collected > > a > > total of 5 candidates, 2 to go for the elections to actually start: > > This seems like case in point for why we should switch to two-year > terms! Hopefully this will be the final election in which we elect > seven directors all at the same time. I think it's not a very good case for a longer term, though. Just a few mails earlier we have seen an email in which a candidate wondered whether they could make enough time available. With a longer term that problem gets worse, not better. Cheers, Tobi ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing Board of Directors Elections 2019: revamped timeline
On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 5:48 AM wrote: > This seems like case in point for why we should switch to two-year > terms! Hopefully this will be the final election in which we elect > seven directors all at the same time. > > Michael > +1. All of the current board members are in agreement that this should be done and Neil has been investigating how we might do this. So far he's found someone who has the time and expertise to help us, and is working with them to understand what needs to change in the bylaws and and how to implement the changes practically. Unfortunately, it wasn't possible to move to two year terms for this election cycle, but we hope that it can move to the staggered two year cycle asap! - Nuritzi ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing Board of Directors Elections 2019: revamped timeline
On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:12 AM, Andrea Veri wrote: I didn't express myself clearly enough: I really meant we haven't received enough candidacies for the elections and the voting phase to begin, thus the need to extend the timelines. We currently collected a total of 5 candidates, 2 to go for the elections to actually start: This seems like case in point for why we should switch to two-year terms! Hopefully this will be the final election in which we elect seven directors all at the same time. Michael ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing Board of Directors Elections 2019: revamped timeline
Robert, I didn't express myself clearly enough: I really meant we haven't received enough candidacies for the elections and the voting phase to begin, thus the need to extend the timelines. We currently collected a total of 5 candidates, 2 to go for the elections to actually start: Allan Day Britt Yazel Carlos Soriano Robert McQueen Philip Chimento cheers, Il giorno lun 27 mag 2019 alle ore 13:21 Robert McQueen ha scritto: > > On Mon, 2019-05-27 at 12:40 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: > > Foundation members, > > Dear Andrea, > > > > due to no candidacies being received for the 2019 elections > > Is this a clerical / copy paste error from an old announcement? From my > perspective I have seen four timely candidacies per the old timeline > (myself included) and one further/late candidacy which would suit the > revised timeline. Can you confirm the current candidate list from your > perspective or whether any of the submissions so far have been > discounted for any reason? > > Many Thanks, > Rob > > > we're > > postponing each of the items of the timeline [1] by one week in order > > to provide additional time for possible candidates to evaluate and > > send in their candidacy. [1] has been updated accordingly. Details on > > how to run as a candidate and other related information can be found > > at [2]. > > > > > > *GNOME Board Elections 2019* > > 2019-05-12: List of candidates opens. > > 2019-06-02: Last day to announce candidacies, submit > > summary statements. > > 2019-06-03: Final list of candidates. > > 2019-06-04: Instructions mailed to eligible voters, > > voting begins. > > 2019-06-18: Voting closes. > > 2019-06-19: Preliminary results are announced. > > 2019-06-26: Last day to challenge preliminary results. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > [1] https://vote.gnome.org/2019/rules.html > > [2] > > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2019-April/msg2.html > > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- Cheers, Andrea Red Hatter, Fedora / EPEL packager, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing Board of Directors Elections 2019: revamped timeline
On Mon, 2019-05-27 at 12:40 +0200, Andrea Veri wrote: > Foundation members, Dear Andrea, > due to no candidacies being received for the 2019 elections Is this a clerical / copy paste error from an old announcement? From my perspective I have seen four timely candidacies per the old timeline (myself included) and one further/late candidacy which would suit the revised timeline. Can you confirm the current candidate list from your perspective or whether any of the submissions so far have been discounted for any reason? Many Thanks, Rob > we're > postponing each of the items of the timeline [1] by one week in order > to provide additional time for possible candidates to evaluate and > send in their candidacy. [1] has been updated accordingly. Details on > how to run as a candidate and other related information can be found > at [2]. > > > *GNOME Board Elections 2019* > 2019-05-12: List of candidates opens. > 2019-06-02: Last day to announce candidacies, submit > summary statements. > 2019-06-03: Final list of candidates. > 2019-06-04: Instructions mailed to eligible voters, > voting begins. > 2019-06-18: Voting closes. > 2019-06-19: Preliminary results are announced. > 2019-06-26: Last day to challenge preliminary results. > > > Thanks, > > [1] https://vote.gnome.org/2019/rules.html > [2] > https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2019-April/msg2.html > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Bug in the membership application form
Membership, there seems to be a bug in the membership form [1] that triggers in specific situations (i.e when one of the text boxes for account name, email, jabber account is filled in) that prevents the form to actually submit and generate an actual ticket for the membership committee to process. While we investigate/fix this, if you submit the form and it returns back to the form itself and not to a thank you page, please try re-submitting, the system will send you a response email in case of a successful transaction. Thanks! [1] https://www.gnome.org/foundation/membership/apply/ -- Cheers, Andrea Red Hatter, Fedora / EPEL packager, GNOME Infrastructure Team Coordinator, Former GNOME Foundation Board of Directors Secretary, GNOME Foundation Membership & Elections Committee Chairman Homepage: http://www.gnome.org/~av ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Board of Directors candidacy question
Hi Britt, Great to see you decided to go ahead and submit your candidacy! By way of context, I'd say the minimum time commitment is around 2 hours a week. We have a 1hr meeting every 2 weeks, and try to use the alternative weeks as work sessions to make progress on the board's projects. You need a little more time to stay on top of e-mails, proposals, etc. Any more time-consuming activities such as holding an officer post or taking part in specific projects/working groups is in addition to this, but also entirely up to you. Now the Foundation has a larger staff team, we're trying to keep the board streamlined in this way to allow people to contribute in a more regular board member advisory capacity, rather than becoming default volunteers for everything and anything. (I certainly wouldn't be able to commit time on that open-ended basis!) Hope this helps. Thanks,Rob On Sun, 2019-05-26 at 18:54 -0700, Britt Yazel wrote: > Hello fellow foundation folks, > I have been somewhat out of the loop about this year's election > cycle, and I was just told today by Caroline and Kat that the > nominations were due in as of yesterday. > > So clearly I missed the deadline, so one question is if it is too > late for me to consider throwing my name formally in the ring. > Second, I'm not sure if I would be a good choice given my Ph.D. > schedule. Does anyone have an idea of the weekly hourly commitment? I > just don't want to do a poor job if I we're to be appointed. > > Cheers! > > -Britt > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Board of Directors candidacy question
Hi Britt, we're thinking about extending the candidacy period like we did last year. You'll get notice once we've decided to do so. Reg. your second question: I guess it's best to mention your constraints in your platform and let the membership decide. Cheers, Tobi On Sun, 2019-05-26 at 18:54 -0700, Britt Yazel wrote: > Hello fellow foundation folks, > > I have been somewhat out of the loop about this year's election cycle, > and I was just told today by Caroline and Kat that the nominations > were due in as of yesterday. > > So clearly I missed the deadline, so one question is if it is too late > for me to consider throwing my name formally in the ring. Second, I'm > not sure if I would be a good choice given my Ph.D. schedule. Does > anyone have an idea of the weekly hourly commitment? I just don't want > to do a poor job if I we're to be appointed. > > Cheers! > > -Britt > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
