Re: Questions about the new GNOME Forums
Hi Karen, On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: ... > I think newcomer users really expect to get information in the forum > format, so I think it could be very useful. I guess we'll see what happens > there in the meantime :) > But perhaps more will get information from google. I think it is important to make high quality, trustworthy information available to search engines. It isn't clear to me at all that forums accomplish this without a *lot* of moderation. Which in itself can come across as heavy handed. Availability of this kind of information starts a virtuous cycle. While disseminating lower quality information can easily create an overload that makes things hard to correct later. Have we considered using something like Stack Exchange instead? Anyone have experience with it? Thanks, Jon ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Looking for community managers or enthusiasts!
Hi Karen, I think these are good suggestions. But I think it would be a mistake to leave this critical responsibility to a committee of volunteers. One of the many challenges we face is that our voice and message have been too inconsistent - too infrequently heard. Heard too late. Lacking authority. In want of good taste. And dealing with this is taking a huge toll on our ability to attract and retain contributors. Something needs to be done. I propose that we hire or appoint a full time director of marketing. With the following responsibilities: * Organize and work with a team of "advocates" * Grok and channel the voice of the project rather than impose a separate agenda * Consult with the design, development, testing, and documentation teams * Help us clearly and effectively communicate our goals and objectives * Organize the creation of press releases / release notes * Blog regularly about ongoing initiatives and progress * Be a beacon of light to counter the darkness * Help us communicate proactively instead of reactively * Educate misinformed journalists * Be a point of contact for external parties that want information * Reduce the burden on volunteers * Delegate the above responsibilities If nothing else, it is clear that we are failing to perform these critical duties. We are paying a dear price for it. I think we need to admit we need professional help - a point I'm sure even our harshest critics will agree with. Jon On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:47 AM, Karen Sandler wrote: > On Wed, November 14, 2012 8:40 am, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > - And "discontent". Well, I think that I have reasonable doubts to think > > that those community managers wouldn't be able to carry the message of > > developers truthfully if said developers aren't being talked to. > > I think it's a fair point to raise issues of quality control for this > committee. One of the things I think we should start with for this > initiative is the creation of GNOME talking points/FAQ type of document. > The new team could do this by working with the release team, the board and > others in the community who would like to contribute. I think some of the > conversation we're having in other threads on this list are a good start > for that too. By going through that process, we'd be able to train the > volunteers and provide material to work from for the individuals to use in > formulating their own responses (so not a cut and paste document, but a > formulation of key goals, ideas and decisions). We could also create > infrastructure to help them out, like an IRC channel and private mailing > list where posts can be vetted. > > We'd also need to set up mechanisms for communication so that developers > can be consulted. In the end, I think this could wind up being a lot > easier for our core developers, who seem to be often put on the spot to > defend their work. Having a team that these developers can talk to and > count on to repeatedly respond on behalf of the project seems to me like a > great way to preserve those people's time. Are there other ways we could > improve this side of the conversation? > > karen > > > > > > ___ > foundation-list mailing list > foundation-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list > ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: [question to candidates] GNOME OS
Hi Richard, (we are not candidates and shouldn't derail this thread but just a quick response) On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 1:36 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > I really think the GNOME OS idea is a very good one, that is, making > GNOME provide access to configuration and features of the underlying OS, > so that it is a complete desktop that can deal with everything the users > would ever need from a desktop. > > The idea is fine, but calling it "GNOME OS" is confusing since GNOME > was designed to be part of the GNU operating system. Someone else > suggested "GNOME Desktop System" -- that avoids the confusion. I see what you are saying but I don't think this reflects the view of the people most actively involved in this project. It certainly doesn't represent the view of the people I work with while designing GNOME. The conversation you are taking part in is related to acknowledging that we have been designing GNOME as an operating system for quite some time. > But at the same time we have people from OSes other than Linux > interested in using GNOME, > > Linux isn't an operating system, it's a kernel. I think you're > talking about the GNU system but calling it "Linux". > > That's a big misunderstanding. GNOME has no special relationship > with Linux but does have one with the GNU system (see gnome.org). It is true that Linux is just a kernel. However, GNOME does have a special relationship with Linux. A GNOME OS very likely would be built from Linux and many GNU tools. I think you will see that this will be a very effective way to advance the reach of free software. So, I don't think this is a point worth debating. Anyway, let's not derail this thread. I'd prefer to listen to what the candidates have to say. :) Thanks, Jon ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Call for hosts for GUADEC 2012
Hi Brian,
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Brian Cameron wrote:
> On 04/18/11 03:05 PM, Andre Klapper wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 2011-04-18 at 15:02 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote:
>>>
>>> For those of you who would like to host the next GUADEC in 2012 you are
>>> hereby invited to write a formal invitation to the board of the GNOME
>>> Foundation at board gnome org. The deadline for the proposals is June
>>> 20, 2011. Please send proposals to bo...@gnome.org.
>>
>> What does this call (and its deadline) mean with regard to a potential
>> co-hosting with aKademy in 2012 again ("Desktop Summit")?
>
> The GNOME Foundation board and the aKademy board has already decided
> that the Desktop Summit will be a bi-annual event for the time being.
Oh, that is unfortunate. I assume that a newly elected board will be
able to reverse this decision. Is that correct?
Thanks,
Jon
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Re: Question for Bastian Nocera
Hey, On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 09:21 -0600, Stormy Peters wrote: > >> >> Speaking as Stormy and not as ED, I think this is a losing battle. I >> agree we need to continue to educate people but I don't think >> GNU/Linux is going to be the way it happens. Millions of people now >> say Linux and GNU/Linux is harder to say, uglier sounding (hard G's >> are not easy), implies that we feel left out, etc. I really don't >> think it's going to be something that catches on no matter how many of >> us push it. > > I'll add that people writing KDE or GNOME don't push for a > GNOME/GNU/Linux, or even GNOME/X.org/GNU/Linux. Just mentioning > GNU/Linux is disingenious. >> >> Names often do not include all the components. I drive a Pontiac car >> that includes many other parts. We drink "coke" that includes many >> other brands. I use "kleenex" that is often not kleenex at all. >> >> >> We need to work on other campaigns to spread the word about the value >> of free software. Richard is right, of course, that Linux is just a kernel and not an operating system. It would be very difficult to imagine how Meego, Litl, Android, WebOS, etc are the same operating system. On the other hand, GNU+Linux isn't really an operating system either - or at least not for most people. But GNOME can be if we want it. Jon ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Some notes on GNOME Shell
2010/6/3 Sriram Ramkrishna : > > > 2010/6/3 Andreas Nilsson >> >> On 06/03/2010 02:54 AM, Seif Lotfy wrote: >> >> >>> >>> And don't get me wrong -- I happen to disagree with some stuff they're >>> doing from time to time. But it doesn't mean I should stop trusting >>> them. >> >> But would't you like to have the points you disagree with be discussed or >> reevaluated? >> I think this is the issue the community is facing. There is a difference >> between "We are going to do it like that because we think its right, and >> that is how it is gonna be" and "We are doing it like that because we think >> it is right, but we are open for discussion" >> Right now the Shell developers are somewhere between both stand points. I >> know some developers who were able to cooperate with them. But I think >> more transparency around discussions and evaluations are missing. >> >> Just a quick note regarding the design procedures here. >> From my experience, Jon and Jeremy hang out both hang out in #gnome-design >> all day and are publically discussing all design issues there (even down to >> the smallest details). >> Me, Hylke, Garrett, Jakub and others have all been giving feedback, >> drawing mockups and evaluating designs, even though, as always, Jon and >> Jeremy have been doing most of the job (as us others have other day jobs and >> priorities). >> - Andreas >> > > This would be a good FAQ. We really do need a gnome-shell FAQ I think. I > might help out on the whole community thing on shell if people are willing, > it depends on whether this six month project I'm on comes to a close. My > contributions have tapered off due to a high work and personal load. http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/FAQ Jon ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
