Re: [fpc-pascal] MSEide+MSEgui 4.4 for Free Pascal 3.0.2
On Wednesday 01 March 2017 02:40:44 nore...@z505.com wrote: > On 2017-02-14 08:51, Martin Schreiber wrote: > > Hi, > > MSEide+MSEgui 4.4 for Free Pascal 3.0.2 has been released: > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/ > > > > There are also new versions of the ARM (Raspberry Pi) cross and native > > environments for Free Pascal: > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/files/fpcrossarm/ > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/files/fpcarm/ > > > > and new versions of MSEgit, MSEspice and MSErun: > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseuniverse/ > > Is there a wiki or information page explaining what mserun is, along > with others mentioned above.. I could not find it on google. > MSErun is a tool which can be used to run command groups which are defined in a GUI in a hierarchical manner and which has the same flexible macro facility as MSEide. I use it as build tool for the MSE* projects and in order to run test cases. Please ask questions about the MSE* projects on the mailinglist: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/mseide-msegui-talk Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/mseide-msegui-talk@lists.sourceforge.net/ Martin ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] class operator in record
How come: class operator Initialize(var aFoo: TFoo); class operator Finalize(var aFoo: TFoo); in a record are called class operator.. why not "record operator"? Are these advanced neo-records considered classes? Again, sorry I'm new to all this new record stuff (neo records ;-)) If they really are just classes, shouldn't it be called a class instead of record. This also reminds me of the confusion between what an object is versus a class. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] MSEide+MSEgui 4.4 for Free Pascal 3.0.2
On 2017-02-14 08:51, Martin Schreiber wrote: Hi, MSEide+MSEgui 4.4 for Free Pascal 3.0.2 has been released: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/ There are also new versions of the ARM (Raspberry Pi) cross and native environments for Free Pascal: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/files/fpcrossarm/ https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/files/fpcarm/ and new versions of MSEgit, MSEspice and MSErun: https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseuniverse/ Is there a wiki or information page explaining what mserun is, along with others mentioned above.. I could not find it on google. I'm interested in the theory of such tools and what they do. Found on post from Graeme about compiling with 8 cores, but that still does not explain what mserun is ;-) ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Feature announcement: Management Operators
On 2017-02-28 20:40, nore...@z505.com wrote: > Sorry, I've been out of touch with what's happening with Records lately > in modern pascal/delphi/etc. Don't worry, I'm with you on that one. All I know is that Borland/CodeGear/EMBT broken TP Objects somewhere in Delphi. Then they decided they want that functionality back, so instead of fixing TP Objects, the decided to butcher Records to act just like TP Objects (well, pretty much)! Go figure. I mostly code with classes, but do still us TP Objects mixed in with my code for simpler data structures where I don't really want to instantiate objects. Records - well, I use them like they were defined in Delphi 7 and earlier. I really don't see the need for Records with Methods (ie: TP Objects) and such. Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Feature announcement: Management Operators
On 28/02/17 21:40, nore...@z505.com wrote: What happens with a stack allocated record? (no new() required, nor dispose() so is the record ever initialized/finalized?) Yes, just like records that contain e.g. an ansistring field. Jonas ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] TProcess usage and reading program output
Hi, how would you handle large output and large stderr? When you read from one and it writes to the other, the read blocks. Then it keeps writing to the other buffer, till that is full, and then its write is blocked, and it is deadlocked. Probably check NumBytesAvailable before reading? Bye, Benito On 02/28/2017 05:28 PM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2017, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, Can anybody see if there is something wrong with the code shown below. The code is copied from one of my earlier projects where I call the FPC compiler and it worked just fine in that project. In the work I'm doing now, I'm calling the Delphi Command Line Compiler, and made a few minor tweaks to the code, but this method never seems to return when Delphi command line compiler is called, and I don't see any output. If I call other utilities (eg: Git etc) then I do see output and it works as expected. It's just the Delphi Command Line Compiler that now seems to be giving troubles. I would really appreciate it is anybody could spare a moment. Many thanks. I marked two areas with "// ???" where I am unsure if I'm doing the right thing. poWaitOnExit should not be needed, as this will cause Execute to wait for process exit... It seems likely that this will interfere with reading from output: when the output buffer is full, the executed process will block. The rest seems fine. Also: It may be that Delphi somehow writes directly to the console buffer, in that case you will not catch any output. But then you should see the output on the screen (just not caught by your process) Michael. == function TBuildDelphiProject.RunTProcess(const Binary: string; args: TStrings): boolean; const BufSize = 1024; var p: TProcess; Buf: string; Count: integer; i: integer; LineStart: integer; OutputLine: string; begin p := TProcess.Create(nil); try p.Executable := Binary; // ??? Is poWaitOnExit needed here, it is called later down the code p.Options := [poUsePipes, poStdErrToOutPut, poWaitOnExit]; //p.CurrentDirectory := ExtractFilePath(p.Executable); p.ShowWindow := swoShowNormal; // ??? Is this needed? p.Parameters.Assign(args); DoLog(etInfo,'Running command "%s" with arguments "%s"',[p.Executable, p.Parameters.Text]); p.Execute; { Now process the output } OutputLine:=''; SetLength(Buf,BufSize); repeat if (p.Output<>nil) then begin Count:=p.Output.Read(Buf[1],Length(Buf)); end else Count:=0; LineStart:=1; i:=1; while i<=Count do begin if Buf[i] in [#10,#13] then begin OutputLine:=OutputLine+Copy(Buf,LineStart,i-LineStart); writeln(OutputLine); OutputLine:=''; if (iBuf[i+1]) then inc(i); LineStart:=i+1; end; inc(i); end; OutputLine:=Copy(Buf,LineStart,Count-LineStart+1); until Count=0; if OutputLine <> '' then writeln(OutputLine); p.WaitOnExit; Result := p.ExitStatus = 0; if Not Result then Writeln('Command ', p.Executable ,' failed with exit code: ', p.ExitStatus); finally FreeAndNil(p); end; end; == Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Feature announcement: Management Operators
On 2017-02-28 05:20, Maciej Izak wrote: It works correctly in all possible ways with RTL: * New (Initialize) * Dispose (Finalize) What happens with a stack allocated record? (no new() required, nor dispose() so is the record ever initialized/finalized?) Or stack records are forbidden? One reason I love records is because you can create a stack record without any worry of freeing and creating it on heap, a huge advantage over OOP programming in delphi/fpc where everything is heap object (except old turbo pascal objects). Sorry, I've been out of touch with what's happening with Records lately in modern pascal/delphi/etc. (If it sounds like a silly newbie question, forgive me, I am not up on the latest and greatest!) ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] TProcess usage and reading program output
On 2017-02-28 20:03, nore...@z505.com wrote: > Did you end up resolving the issue? Yes, see my "closing thoughts" reply to Michael. What he suggested fixed the issue. > I'd be interested in creating a build tool that not only compiles > projects in FPC but also compiles with dcc32 (delphi compiler).. > > Is that something like what you are doing? I'm converting a *very* complex (and massive) multi-project Makefile system into a single "build binary". Configuration is controlled via project.json files. eg: build dependencies, build lists (if a project consists of more that one project), compiler parameters with macro support (macros are global configurations that can be injected in compiler parameters etc). This is not a general tool, but a specific commercial solution. Saying that, it should be possible building a general tool that does similar - reading project.json files to feed the build system. But then again, there are probably multiple such solutions around already (I think). Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] TProcess usage and reading program output
On 2017-02-28 16:28, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > poWaitOnExit should not be needed, as this will cause Execute to wait for > process exit... This post is simply to close off this thread. Michael's suggestion was the solution to my problem. I removed the poWaitOnExit and set my buffer size to 2048 bytes and that seems to have resolved the issue. Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] TProcess usage and reading program output
On 2017-02-28 10:06, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, Can anybody see if there is something wrong with the code shown below. The code is copied from one of my earlier projects where I call the FPC compiler and it worked just fine in that project. Did you end up resolving the issue? I'd be interested in creating a build tool that not only compiles projects in FPC but also compiles with dcc32 (delphi compiler).. Is that something like what you are doing? I have a lot of projects that compile both in fpc and delphi and compiling manually using to compilers is a pain. One step just compiling it with a build tool that does both compilers would be nice. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] parser combinator library
On 2017-02-24 15:00, Bernd wrote: Hello, Eight years ago someone asked whether there is a parser combinator library for free pascal, nothing like that existed at that time and also does not seem to exist up to the present day. While I was reading about parser combinators in functional programming languages (during my 42nd attempt to learn Haskell) I thought to myself why not try to implement something like that in Object Pascal, just so see how far we can push the boundaries of this imperative object oriented language. This is what I have come up with so far: https://github.com/prof7bit/fpc_parser_combinators Since we don't have lambdas I choose the next closest approach to emulate them with object instances instead. This leads to a lot of boiler plate in the definition of the elementary parsers and combinators but fortunately it can all be hidden away in the library and the usage of the combinators looks quite neat: // define the grammar EXPR := Num or _PARENS; MULFUNC := Sym('mul') and EXPR and EXPR; ADDFUNC := Sym('add') and EXPR and EXPR; INNER := MULFUNC or ADDFUNC or Num; PARENS:= Sym('(') and INNER and Sym(')'); Please also note the unorthodox usage of and/or operators to invoke the combinators :-) Cool! Parsing is my favourite area of computing science.. And my 42 attempt at learning haskell I gave up because it seemed not to be able to do a simple char by char parser like any procedural language can do... But, now that you've mentioned this, my interest has peaked in both Object Pascal and Haskell. Please post improvements or variations of this theme, especially I am interested in how to properly build up a syntax tree in the most generic and reusable manner, this is something I have not yet completely understood (because I am myself still quite unfamiliar with this whole parsing business) currently all my parsers only return arrays of strings that I can optionally post-process with an optional hook function after a parser has completed. I think parsing is still something computing science has to study more. There are many undiscovered techniques. The biggest issue I have seen is large long case statements where you start duplicating code in the case statement. Rob Pike has done some work on this, but I've had little time to research his solution proposed. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] TProcess usage and reading program output
On 2017-02-28 16:28, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > poWaitOnExit should not be needed, as this will cause Execute to wait for > process exit... > > It seems likely that this will interfere with reading from output: when the > output buffer is full, the executed process will block. Ah. I've also been reading the docs and this FPC wiki page... http://wiki.freepascal.org/Executing_External_Programs In the wiki they talked about a dead-lock when poWaitOnExit is used and the output buffer is full. It seems that is exactly what I experienced. I'll increase the buffer size I use to 2048 and remove the poWaitOnExit and see how it goes. The "Reading large output" example also uses a TMemoryStream instead of a string buffer like I do, but I think we should have the same end result. http://wiki.freepascal.org/Executing_External_Programs#Reading_large_output If my code still doesn't work, I'll switch to using a TMemorySteam for storing the output and retest. Thanks for the extra pair of eyes. Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] TProcess usage and reading program output
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, Can anybody see if there is something wrong with the code shown below. The code is copied from one of my earlier projects where I call the FPC compiler and it worked just fine in that project. In the work I'm doing now, I'm calling the Delphi Command Line Compiler, and made a few minor tweaks to the code, but this method never seems to return when Delphi command line compiler is called, and I don't see any output. If I call other utilities (eg: Git etc) then I do see output and it works as expected. It's just the Delphi Command Line Compiler that now seems to be giving troubles. I would really appreciate it is anybody could spare a moment. Many thanks. I marked two areas with "// ???" where I am unsure if I'm doing the right thing. poWaitOnExit should not be needed, as this will cause Execute to wait for process exit... It seems likely that this will interfere with reading from output: when the output buffer is full, the executed process will block. The rest seems fine. Also: It may be that Delphi somehow writes directly to the console buffer, in that case you will not catch any output. But then you should see the output on the screen (just not caught by your process) Michael. == function TBuildDelphiProject.RunTProcess(const Binary: string; args: TStrings): boolean; const BufSize = 1024; var p: TProcess; Buf: string; Count: integer; i: integer; LineStart: integer; OutputLine: string; begin p := TProcess.Create(nil); try p.Executable := Binary; // ??? Is poWaitOnExit needed here, it is called later down the code p.Options := [poUsePipes, poStdErrToOutPut, poWaitOnExit]; //p.CurrentDirectory := ExtractFilePath(p.Executable); p.ShowWindow := swoShowNormal; // ??? Is this needed? p.Parameters.Assign(args); DoLog(etInfo,'Running command "%s" with arguments "%s"',[p.Executable, p.Parameters.Text]); p.Execute; { Now process the output } OutputLine:=''; SetLength(Buf,BufSize); repeat if (p.Output<>nil) then begin Count:=p.Output.Read(Buf[1],Length(Buf)); end else Count:=0; LineStart:=1; i:=1; while i<=Count do begin if Buf[i] in [#10,#13] then begin OutputLine:=OutputLine+Copy(Buf,LineStart,i-LineStart); writeln(OutputLine); OutputLine:=''; if (iBuf[i+1]) then inc(i); LineStart:=i+1; end; inc(i); end; OutputLine:=Copy(Buf,LineStart,Count-LineStart+1); until Count=0; if OutputLine <> '' then writeln(OutputLine); p.WaitOnExit; Result := p.ExitStatus = 0; if Not Result then Writeln('Command ', p.Executable ,' failed with exit code: ', p.ExitStatus); finally FreeAndNil(p); end; end; == Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] TProcess usage and reading program output
On 2017-02-28 16:06, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: > //p.CurrentDirectory := ExtractFilePath(p.Executable); Just thought I would explain this. I don't change directory there (in the TProcess instance), because the program itself changes the current directory before calling RunTProcess(). As for the procedure not returning - from what I can see (I think) it seems like if Delphi fails to compile the project, that's when my code get stuck and never returns. Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] TProcess usage and reading program output
Hi, Can anybody see if there is something wrong with the code shown below. The code is copied from one of my earlier projects where I call the FPC compiler and it worked just fine in that project. In the work I'm doing now, I'm calling the Delphi Command Line Compiler, and made a few minor tweaks to the code, but this method never seems to return when Delphi command line compiler is called, and I don't see any output. If I call other utilities (eg: Git etc) then I do see output and it works as expected. It's just the Delphi Command Line Compiler that now seems to be giving troubles. I would really appreciate it is anybody could spare a moment. Many thanks. I marked two areas with "// ???" where I am unsure if I'm doing the right thing. == function TBuildDelphiProject.RunTProcess(const Binary: string; args: TStrings): boolean; const BufSize = 1024; var p: TProcess; Buf: string; Count: integer; i: integer; LineStart: integer; OutputLine: string; begin p := TProcess.Create(nil); try p.Executable := Binary; // ??? Is poWaitOnExit needed here, it is called later down the code p.Options := [poUsePipes, poStdErrToOutPut, poWaitOnExit]; //p.CurrentDirectory := ExtractFilePath(p.Executable); p.ShowWindow := swoShowNormal; // ??? Is this needed? p.Parameters.Assign(args); DoLog(etInfo,'Running command "%s" with arguments "%s"',[p.Executable, p.Parameters.Text]); p.Execute; { Now process the output } OutputLine:=''; SetLength(Buf,BufSize); repeat if (p.Output<>nil) then begin Count:=p.Output.Read(Buf[1],Length(Buf)); end else Count:=0; LineStart:=1; i:=1; while i<=Count do begin if Buf[i] in [#10,#13] then begin OutputLine:=OutputLine+Copy(Buf,LineStart,i-LineStart); writeln(OutputLine); OutputLine:=''; if (iBuf[i+1]) then inc(i); LineStart:=i+1; end; inc(i); end; OutputLine:=Copy(Buf,LineStart,Count-LineStart+1); until Count=0; if OutputLine <> '' then writeln(OutputLine); p.WaitOnExit; Result := p.ExitStatus = 0; if Not Result then Writeln('Command ', p.Executable ,' failed with exit code: ', p.ExitStatus); finally FreeAndNil(p); end; end; == Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Feature announcement: Management Operators
2017-02-28 13:19 GMT+01:00 Michael Van Canneyt: > You do now. I took care of that :) Thanks ^^ now I can officially fix bugs related to new feature. Mhm. Great... ;) -- Best regards, Maciej Izak ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Feature announcement: Management Operators
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: On Tue, 28 Feb 2017, Maciej Izak wrote: 2017-02-28 12:28 GMT+01:00 denisgolovan: Thanks a lot. I guess http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=30687 should be closed now :) I don't have such powers ;) You do now. I took care of that :) But I set it to fixed for you. Seeing you were the reporter, you can set it to closed :) By the way, thanks for the contribution. Michael. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Feature announcement: Management Operators
On Tue, 28 Feb 2017, Maciej Izak wrote: 2017-02-28 12:28 GMT+01:00 denisgolovan: Thanks a lot. I guess http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=30687 should be closed now :) I don't have such powers ;) You do now. I took care of that :) But I set it to fixed for you. Seeing you were the reporter, you can set it to closed :) Michael. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Feature announcement: Management Operators
2017-02-28 12:28 GMT+01:00 denisgolovan: > Thanks a lot. > I guess http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=30687 should be closed now > :) > I don't have such powers ;) -- Best regards, Maciej Izak ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Feature announcement: Management Operators
Thanks a lot.I guess http://bugs.freepascal.org/view.php?id=30687 should be closed now :) -- Regards,Denis Golovan ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Feature announcement: Management Operators
Hi, I'm pleased to finally announce (again but now officially ;) ) the additional record operators: Initialize, Finalize, AddRef and Copy. Available in latest FPC trunk (r35485): 1. operator Initialize - is called after memory allocation for record (called *after* FPC internal call recordrtti(data,typeinfo,@int_initialize);) 2. operator Finalize - is called when record goes out of scope (called *before* FPC internal call recordrtti(data,typeinfo,@int_finalize);) 3. operator AddRef - is called after the contents of a record has been duplicated by copying the contents byte by byte (called *after* FPC internal call recordrtti(data,typeinfo,@int_addref); ) 4. operator Copy - Copy operator (if exists) is called *instead of* default copy behavior. Operator is responsible for copying everything that's needed from the source to the target. AddRef and Copy might be at beginning a little hard for understanding but we have good explanation provided by Thorsten Engler in topic "Management operators : Copy and Clone confusion..." : === quote begin === the reason for both to exist is that there are cases (e.g. passing an interface parameter) where the callee is responsible for any lifetime management implications (and the caller might not even be implemented using fpc). The caller just passes the interface pointer on the stack (or in a register), which, while it creates a copy of the bytes, does not actually invoke the copy operator. In cases where reference counting is required (parameter not marked as const), the callee may decide to simply use the value that was passed on the stack as the backing for the parameter, so it calls AddRef on that, without performing another copy. Given this context, I find the terms AddRef and Copy to be perfectly adequate, even when applied to types that aren't strictly speaking performing reference counting; e.g. IIRC, AddRef for a BSTR (ole string type for windows which does NOT have a reference count) actually involves making a copy of the string contents and replacing the BSTR pointer. AddRef here means "this is now an *additional* *reference* to whatever these bytes might refer to". === quote end === my 2 cents for above: AddRef exist to speed up things. New set of operators is unique and is called "management operators". That is because: A. each of record (even non managed or even empty) with management operator becomes managed type. B. is possible to implement new custom types (also thanks to other operators) with own management of memory (new string types, fast TValue implementations without hacks on RTL etc.). C. "management operators" have no result. D. For management operators is generated simple VMT (thanks to this is possible to work with management operators together with all RTL functions like InitializeArray/FinalizeArray). === example declaration begin === PFoo = ^TFoo; TFoo = record private class operator Initialize(var a: TFoo); class operator Finalize(var a: TFoo); class operator AddRef(var a: TFoo); class operator Copy(constref aSrc: TFoo; var aDst: TFoo); end; === example declaration end === Management Operators feature can be used for many things: * support for value types * nullable types * some custom ARC variations * speed up existing types * very fast RTTI.TValue implementation * as replacement for manually called Init/Done record methods like in mORMot for many types (for example SynCommons.TSynLocker). * auto init/finit for pointers/classes/simple types or whatever we have in Pascal It works correctly in all possible ways with RTL: * New (Initialize) * Dispose (Finalize) * Initialize (Initialize) * Finalize (Finalize) * InitializeArray (Initialize) * FinalizeArray (Finalize) * SetLength (Initialize/Finalize) * Copy (AddRef) * RTTI.IsManaged Managements operators are often called implicitly in many cases. Few examples: * global variables (Initialize/Finalize) * local variables (Initialize/Finalize) * for fields inside: records, objects, classes (Initialize/Finalize) * variable assignment (Copy) * for parameters for routines (AddRef/Finalize/none - depends on modifiers like var/constref/cons) Own experiments recommended! :) Complex example and test: http://svn.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/trunk/tests/tes t/tmoperator8.pp?view=co=text%2Fplain Note: Lazarus (trunk version) has support for all new operators syntax (thanks for Mattias Gaertner). Future directions and opened doors (where management operators can be used but not directly): + "default" field for better handling smart pointers / nullable types (maybe will be introduced new type called proxy record for handling "default" modifier) (eg. https://github.com/maciej-izak/PascalSmartPointers compilable with NewPascal) + New VMT entry "vmtManagedInit" for "Initialize operator" for record fields inside classes (optimization) + Base for Nullable types syntax sugar + Probably base in some way for ARC classes (DELPHINEXTGEN compiler mode) + More Oxygene