Time accounting PDA application

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:07 am -0800 3/12/05, John Posada wrote:

>Hi, guys...yesterday, I went searching for an application that would assist me 
>in keeping track of the hours that I'm working. Lately, I've been able to work 
>at home, on the bus, in the office, wherever I want to, thanks to the 
>aquisition of a new laptop, wireless home network, VPN, and the agreement by 
>my boss that I can pretty much work wherever, whenever, and however I want, 
>for a few or as may hours that I want.

In that case, John, you should definitely consider installing LifeBalance on 
your PDA ;-)


-- 
Steve

Best Approach to Structure

[DeFlorio, Dominick]

What is the best approach to learning how to structure Frame documents?
I need to learn quickly how to create and implement EDDs into many and
varied, unstructured Frame documents.  Suggestions...links?

Dominick A. DeFlorio
Senior Technical Writer
968 Albany-Shaker Road
Latham, NY 12110
(518) 738-0389


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Time accounting PDA application

[Bill Swallow]

I use Pocket Excel for many tracking activities on my PDA. I keep
track of time on tasks: my gas purchases and mileage, my favorite
brews as I discover them, and many other things.

--
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HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
42.8162,-73.7736
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

I support Char James-Tanny for STC Secretary.

FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Rene S.]

Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still can't figure out
what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I insert a JPG that's
barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM file about 41 times the
size of the JPG!! Outrageous!

Help.. anyone?

Scratching my head :-\
Rene

-Original Message-
From: Joe Malin [mailto:jma...@tuvox.com]
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:58 PM
To: rinnie1 at yahoo.com; framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: FM > PDF bloat


Could it be that both of the problems are due to multiple facets? You may
have your FM set to create FrameImage facets whenever you copy in a graphic.
That may generate two copies of the graphic.

Joe

TuVox, Inc.
19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

  Joe Malin
  Technical Writer
  (408)625.1623
  jmalin at tuvox.com
  www.tuvox.com
  The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do
not necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.





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Rene S.
  Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:55 PM
  To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
  Subject: RE: FM > PDF bloat


  I am having a similar problem. I have a 618kb JPG that has to be copied
into the doc (can't be ref'd - long story, unusual case), and it balloons
the FM file from 299 kb to 25,669kb when I insert that meager 618kb JPG!
Any suggestions anyone?

  Thanks,
  Rene Stephenson

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FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Stuart Rogers]

Rene S. wrote:
> Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still can't figure 
> out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I insert a JPG 
> that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM file about 41 
> times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!
>  
> Help.. anyone?
>  

No idea why it's happening, but the old standby, Save As MIF, might help 
-- either by cleaning up the file, or by allowing you to examine the MIF 
for screwy content.

Have you tried copying that jpg into an otherwise empty fm doc?

Can you change the file format to TIFF or EPS and copy it in?

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers at phoenix-geophysics dot com

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FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Paul Findon]

On 5 Dec 2005, at 15:38, Rene S. wrote:

> Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still can't 
> figure out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I 
> insert a JPG that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM 
> file about 41 times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!

Why not convert the file to one of the formats commonly used by 
publishing professionals, such as EPS or TIFF. Just a thought.

Paul

Best Approach to Structure

[Art Campbell]

A decent starting point is the OnlineDocs directory, particularly the Cookbook.

Art


On 12/5/05, DeFlorio, Dominick  wrote:
>
> What is the best approach to learning how to structure Frame documents?  I
> need to learn quickly how to create and implement EDDs into many and varied,
> unstructured Frame documents.  Suggestions...links?
>
> Dominick A. DeFlorio
> Senior Technical Writer
> 968 Albany-Shaker Road
> Latham, NY 12110

--
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Rene S.]

Thanks all. FWIW, we had switched from TIF to JPG for this graphic to try to
lower the file size. I round-tripped through MIF, and it didn't help. :-\
So I converted the graphic to TIF instead of JPG, once using LZW compression
and once using CCITT4 compression, and I still had the same problem. The
source file is in Corel Draw. The CDR file is 8 MB.

Any other ideas?

Thanks,
Rene

The dull thud you hear is the sound of my head banging on my desktop
repeatedly...

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 10:58 AM
To: rinnie1 at yahoo.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM bloat (NO PDF)


Rene S. wrote:
> Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still can't figure
> out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I insert a JPG
> that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM file about 41
> times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!
>
> Help.. anyone?
>

No idea why it's happening, but the old standby, Save As MIF, might help
-- either by cleaning up the file, or by allowing you to examine the MIF
for screwy content.

Have you tried copying that jpg into an otherwise empty fm doc?

Can you change the file format to TIFF or EPS and copy it in?

HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers at phoenix-geophysics dot com

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FM > PDF bloat

[Grant Hogarth]

Try this proof test -- try putting in a *different* graphic and seeing what 
that does to the file size.
It may not be the graphic, but the anchored frame that is the problem.

Grant



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Best Approach to Structure

[Daniel Emory]

> On 12/5/05, DeFlorio, Dominick
>  wrote:
> >
> > What is the best approach to learning how to
> structure Frame documents?  I
> > need to learn quickly how to create and implement
> EDDs into many and varied,
> > unstructured Frame documents. 
> Suggestions...links?
The individual who asked for help says he wants to:
"learn quickly how to create and implement EDDs into
many and varied unstructured Frame documents."

His initial challenge is not to learn about EDDs, it's
to:

1. Analyze the the "many and varied" structures in his
unstructured docs and the extent to which para and
character tags can be feasibly be mapped to some
coherent structural hierachy. If the paratags in the
unstructured docs are not consistently applied, and/or
if those docs use many different templates, each
having different paratags, or if there are numerous
instances of one-to-many relationships (i.e., a single
paratag in different contexts must be mapped to many
different elements), then the chances of success are
nil.

2. Assuming that the docs successfully meet the
requirements in step 1, he must next learn how to
effectively use conversion tables. But to exploit the
capabilities of conversion tables, the user must now
visualize the hierarchical structure of the converted
documents. This visualization must be constrained by
the limits imposed (primarily) by the unstructured
docs' paratagging scheme(s). Structure rules should
then be written for each defined element that will
appear in the conversion tables. Although it's
desirable to do this in a rudimentary EDD, it' not
absolutely necessary to do so at this point.



Dan Emory & Associates
FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing
DW Emory 

FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Joe Malin]

They would be bigger than JPG.

Are you suggesting that GIF or JPG are *not* used by publishing
professionals?


Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Paul Findon
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 8:04 AM
To: rinnie1 at yahoo.com
Cc: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: FM bloat (NO PDF)

On 5 Dec 2005, at 15:38, Rene S. wrote:

> Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still can't 
> figure out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I 
> insert a JPG that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM 
> file about 41 times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!

Why not convert the file to one of the formats commonly used by
publishing professionals, such as EPS or TIFF. Just a thought.

Paul

FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Joe Malin]

Well, you could try sending me the files... I don't mind taking a look
at it. You might be hesitant to reveal proprietary info to me, though.
In which case, I understand. At least try sending me the .JPG file.

Joe


TuVox, Inc.


19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

Joe Malin   
Technical Writer
(408)625.1623   
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com <http://www.tuvox.com/>   
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.





From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Rene S.
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:38 AM
To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: FM bloat (NO PDF)


Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still
can't figure out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I
insert a JPG that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM
file about 41 times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!

Help.. anyone?

Scratching my head :-\
Rene

-Original Message-
From: Joe Malin [mailto:jmalin at tuvox.com]
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:58 PM
To: rinnie1 at yahoo.com; framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: FM > PDF bloat


Could it be that both of the problems are due to multiple
facets? You may have your FM set to create FrameImage facets whenever
you copy in a graphic. That may generate two copies of the graphic.

Joe


TuVox, Inc.


19050 Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

Joe Malin   
Technical Writer
(408)625.1623   
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com <http://www.tuvox.com/>   
The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not
necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.





From:
framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Rene S.
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:55 PM
To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: FM > PDF bloat


I am having a similar problem. I have a 618kb JPG that
has to be copied into the doc (can't be ref'd - long story, unusual
case), and it balloons the FM file from 299 kb to 25,669kb when I insert
that meager 618kb JPG!  Any suggestions anyone?

Thanks,
Rene Stephenson


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Best Approach to Structure

[Donald M Rinderknecht]

Dominick,

This is a tough one. Quickly is so relative, and structured documents 
can be a little daunting.

I would start with some training or a book or both. Actually, that's 
what I did.

I have found Kay Ethier's "XML and FrameMaker" very helpful. I have also 
taken her Stuctured Frame Boot Camp. The boot camp is probably the best 
way to implement your 'quickly' goal. Bring a project with you and she 
will use it to help you understand the process.

By the way, I've taken training in strucutred from Lynne Price 
(http://www.txstruct.com/) and Kay (http://www.travelthepath.com/) and 
found them to be excellent trainers! (I've been in the training biz for 
14 years so I know a good trainer when I see one!)

Thanks,
Don.

Don Rinderknecht -- KD5MVV
Meteorologist Instructor/Developer ~ Warning Decision Training Branch
Donald.M.Rinderknecht at noaa.gov ~ http://wdtb.noaa.gov



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> What is the best approach to learning how to structure Frame 
> documents?  I need to learn quickly how to create and implement EDDs 
> into many and varied, unstructured Frame documents.  Suggestions...links?

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FM bloat (NO PDF) - RESOLUTION

[Rene S.]

Thank you to all who responded! Your tips for troubleshooting put me on the
path to the resolution. As it turns out, the problem is with the way Corel
Draw handles color transparencies (tints) when it exports to other formats.
That's why I was having the problem regardless of whether it was exported as
a JPG/TIFF/EPS/etc.  So even editing the maker.ini to replace FrameVector
with BMP (DIB) didn't do the trick. But you guys helped me rule out all the
possibilities until the culprit was apparent. THANK YOU  So now we'll be
using one of Adobe's CS solutions to source the graphic instead. ;-)

Rene

-Original Message-
From: Paul Findon [mailto:pfin...@infopage.net]
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 11:04 AM
To: rinnie1 at yahoo.com
Cc: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: Re: FM bloat (NO PDF)


On 5 Dec 2005, at 15:38, Rene S. wrote:

> Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still can't
> figure out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I
> insert a JPG that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM
> file about 41 times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!

Why not convert the file to one of the formats commonly used by
publishing professionals, such as EPS or TIFF. Just a thought.

Paul


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FM > PDF bloat

[Rene S.]

RE: FM > PDF bloatGood thinking, Grant. A different graphic doesn't cause
the problem. It's just THIS graphic, and it's this graphic in multiple
formats.

Rene

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+rinnie1=yahoo@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+rinnie1=yahoo.com at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of
Grant Hogarth
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:29 PM
To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: FM > PDF bloat


Try this proof test -- try putting in a *different* graphic and seeing what
that does to the file size.
It may not be the graphic, but the anchored frame that is the problem.

Grant





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FM > PDF bloat

[Grant Hogarth]

Hmmm... 
2 thoughts: 

1) If you have the GIMP or PhotoShop, you could open the graphic and see waht 
might be going on.

2) A quick workaround would be to open the image full-screen in irfanview (or 
anyother app that will let you get a full screen display), and then do a screen 
capture of the displayed image.  There will be a little of the "Photocopy 
effect", but not enough for 99% of your audience to notice. It doesn't solve 
the mystery, but it would let you move along from where you are stuck.

Grant


-Original Message-
From: Rene S. [mailto:rinn...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Mon 12/5/2005 4:17 PM
To: Grant Hogarth; framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: FM > PDF bloat

RE: FM > PDF bloatGood thinking, Grant. A different graphic doesn't cause
the problem. It's just THIS graphic, and it's this graphic in multiple
formats.

Rene

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+rinnie1=yahoo@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+rinnie1=yahoo.com at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of
Grant Hogarth
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 12:29 PM
To: framers at lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: FM > PDF bloat


Try this proof test -- try putting in a *different* graphic and seeing what
that does to the file size.
It may not be the graphic, but the anchored frame that is the problem.

Grant





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Re: Time accounting PDA application

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:07 am -0800 3/12/05, John Posada wrote:

>Hi, guys...yesterday, I went searching for an application that would assist me 
>in keeping track of the hours that I'm working. Lately, I've been able to work 
>at home, on the bus, in the office, wherever I want to, thanks to the 
>aquisition of a new laptop, wireless home network, VPN, and the agreement by 
>my boss that I can pretty much work wherever, whenever, and however I want, 
>for a few or as may hours that I want.

In that case, John, you should definitely consider installing LifeBalance on 
your PDA ;-)


-- 
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Best Approach to Structure

[DeFlorio, Dominick]

What is the best 
approach to learning how to structure Frame documents?  I need to learn 
quickly how to create and implement EDDs into many and varied, unstructured 
Frame documents.  Suggestions...links?
 
Dominick A. 
DeFlorio
Senior Technical 
Writer
968 Albany-Shaker 
Road
Latham, NY 
12110

(518) 738-0389
 
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Re: Time accounting PDA application

[Bill Swallow]

I use Pocket Excel for many tracking activities on my PDA. I keep
track of time on tasks: my gas purchases and mileage, my favorite
brews as I discover them, and many other things.

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RE: FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Rene S.]

Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I 
still can't figure out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I 
insert a JPG that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM file about 
41 times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!
 
Help.. anyone?
 
Scratching my head :-\
Rene
 
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bloat
Could it be that both of the problems are due to multiple 
facets? You may have your FM set to create FrameImage facets whenever you copy 
in a graphic. That may generate two copies of the 
graphic.
 
Joe
 
TuVox, 
Inc.
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Pruneridge Avenue Suite 150, Cupertino, CA 95014-0715

  
  
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  bloat
  
  I am 
  having a similar problem. I have a 618kb JPG that has to be copied into the 
  doc (can't be ref'd - long story, unusual case), and it balloons the FM file 
  from 299 kb to 25,669kb when I insert that meager 618kb JPG!  Any 
  suggestions anyone?
   
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  Rene 
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Re: FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Stuart Rogers]

Rene S. wrote:
Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still can't figure 
out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I insert a JPG 
that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM file about 41 
times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!
 
Help.. anyone?
 


No idea why it's happening, but the old standby, Save As MIF, might help 
-- either by cleaning up the file, or by allowing you to examine the MIF 
for screwy content.


Have you tried copying that jpg into an otherwise empty fm doc?

Can you change the file format to TIFF or EPS and copy it in?

HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers at phoenix-geophysics dot com

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Re: FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Paul Findon]

On 5 Dec 2005, at 15:38, Rene S. wrote:

Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still can't 
figure out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I 
insert a JPG that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM 
file about 41 times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!


Why not convert the file to one of the formats commonly used by 
publishing professionals, such as EPS or TIFF. Just a thought.


Paul


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Re: Best Approach to Structure

[Art Campbell]

A decent starting point is the OnlineDocs directory, particularly the Cookbook.

Art


On 12/5/05, DeFlorio, Dominick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> What is the best approach to learning how to structure Frame documents?  I
> need to learn quickly how to create and implement EDDs into many and varied,
> unstructured Frame documents.  Suggestions...links?
>
> Dominick A. DeFlorio
> Senior Technical Writer
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RE: FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Rene S.]

Thanks all. FWIW, we had switched from TIF to JPG for this graphic to try to
lower the file size. I round-tripped through MIF, and it didn't help. :-\
So I converted the graphic to TIF instead of JPG, once using LZW compression
and once using CCITT4 compression, and I still had the same problem. The
source file is in Corel Draw. The CDR file is 8 MB.

Any other ideas?

Thanks,
Rene

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Rene S. wrote:
> Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still can't figure
> out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I insert a JPG
> that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM file about 41
> times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!
>
> Help.. anyone?
>

No idea why it's happening, but the old standby, Save As MIF, might help
-- either by cleaning up the file, or by allowing you to examine the MIF
for screwy content.

Have you tried copying that jpg into an otherwise empty fm doc?

Can you change the file format to TIFF or EPS and copy it in?

HTH,

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RE: FM > PDF bloat

[Grant Hogarth]

Title: RE: FM > PDF bloat






Try this proof test -- try putting in a *different* graphic and seeing what that does to the file size.
It may not be the graphic, but the anchored frame that is the problem.

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Re: Best Approach to Structure

[Daniel Emory]

> On 12/5/05, DeFlorio, Dominick
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > What is the best approach to learning how to
> structure Frame documents?  I
> > need to learn quickly how to create and implement
> EDDs into many and varied,
> > unstructured Frame documents. 
> Suggestions...links?
The individual who asked for help says he wants to:
"learn quickly how to create and implement EDDs into
many and varied unstructured Frame documents."

His initial challenge is not to learn about EDDs, it's
to:

1. Analyze the the "many and varied" structures in his
unstructured docs and the extent to which para and
character tags can be feasibly be mapped to some
coherent structural hierachy. If the paratags in the
unstructured docs are not consistently applied, and/or
if those docs use many different templates, each
having different paratags, or if there are numerous
instances of one-to-many relationships (i.e., a single
paratag in different contexts must be mapped to many
different elements), then the chances of success are
nil.

2. Assuming that the docs successfully meet the
requirements in step 1, he must next learn how to
effectively use conversion tables. But to exploit the
capabilities of conversion tables, the user must now
visualize the hierarchical structure of the converted
documents. This visualization must be constrained by
the limits imposed (primarily) by the unstructured
docs' paratagging scheme(s). Structure rules should
then be written for each defined element that will
appear in the conversion tables. Although it's
desirable to do this in a rudimentary EDD, it' not
absolutely necessary to do so at this point.



Dan Emory & Associates
FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing
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RE: FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Joe Malin]

They would be bigger than JPG.

Are you suggesting that GIF or JPG are *not* used by publishing
professionals?


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On 5 Dec 2005, at 15:38, Rene S. wrote:

> Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still can't 
> figure out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I 
> insert a JPG that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM 
> file about 41 times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!

Why not convert the file to one of the formats commonly used by
publishing professionals, such as EPS or TIFF. Just a thought.

Paul


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RE: FM bloat (NO PDF)

[Joe Malin]

Well, you could try sending me the files... I don't mind 
taking a look at it. You might be hesitant to reveal proprietary info to me, 
though. In which case, I understand. At least try sending me the .JPG 
file.
 
Joe
 
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  From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Rene S.Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 7:38 AMTo: 
  framers@lists.FrameUsers.comSubject: RE: FM bloat (NO 
  PDF)
  
  Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I 
  still can't figure out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I 
  insert a JPG that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM file 
  about 41 times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!
   
  Help.. anyone?
   
  Scratching my head :-\
  Rene
   
  -Original Message-From: Joe Malin 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 7:58 
  PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  framers@lists.FrameUsers.comSubject: RE: FM > PDF 
  bloat
  Could it be that both of the problems are due to multiple 
  facets? You may have your FM set to create FrameImage facets whenever you copy 
  in a graphic. That may generate two copies of the 
  graphic.
   
  Joe
   
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  Inc.
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From: 
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Of Rene S.Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 4:55 
PMTo: framers@lists.FrameUsers.comSubject: RE: FM > 
PDF bloat

I 
am having a similar problem. I have a 618kb JPG that has to be copied into 
the doc (can't be ref'd - long story, unusual case), and it balloons the FM 
file from 299 kb to 25,669kb when I insert that meager 618kb JPG!  Any 
suggestions anyone?
 
Thanks,
Rene Stephenson
 
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Re: Best Approach to Structure

[Donald M Rinderknecht]

Dominick,

This is a tough one. Quickly is so relative, and structured documents
can be a little daunting. 

I would start with some training or a book or both. Actually, that's
what I did.

I have found Kay Ethier's "XML and FrameMaker" very helpful. I have
also taken her Stuctured Frame Boot Camp. The boot camp is probably the
best way to implement your 'quickly' goal. Bring a project with you and
she will use it to help you understand the process.

By the way, I've taken training in strucutred from Lynne Price
(http://www.txstruct.com/) and Kay (http://www.travelthepath.com/) and
found them to be excellent trainers! (I've been in the training biz for
14 years so I know a good trainer when I see one!)

Thanks,
Don.
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DeFlorio, Dominick wrote:

  
  
  What
is the best approach to learning how to structure Frame documents?  I
need to learn quickly how to create and implement EDDs into many and
varied, unstructured Frame documents.  Suggestions...links?



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RE: FM bloat (NO PDF) - RESOLUTION

[Rene S.]

Thank you to all who responded! Your tips for troubleshooting put me on the
path to the resolution. As it turns out, the problem is with the way Corel
Draw handles color transparencies (tints) when it exports to other formats.
That's why I was having the problem regardless of whether it was exported as
a JPG/TIFF/EPS/etc.  So even editing the maker.ini to replace FrameVector
with BMP (DIB) didn't do the trick. But you guys helped me rule out all the
possibilities until the culprit was apparent. THANK YOU  So now we'll be
using one of Adobe's CS solutions to source the graphic instead. ;-)

Rene

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On 5 Dec 2005, at 15:38, Rene S. wrote:

> Thanks, Joe, I checked, but that's not the problem. I still can't
> figure out what's making this FM file bloat to over 25 MB when I
> insert a JPG that's barely over half a MB. This JPG is making the FM
> file about 41 times the size of the JPG!! Outrageous!

Why not convert the file to one of the formats commonly used by
publishing professionals, such as EPS or TIFF. Just a thought.

Paul


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RE: FM > PDF bloat

[Rene S.]

Title: RE: FM > PDF bloat



Good 
thinking, Grant. A different graphic doesn't cause the problem. It's just THIS 
graphic, and it's this graphic in multiple formats. 
 
Rene
 
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bloat
Try this proof test -- try putting in a *different* graphic and 
seeing what that does to the file size.It may not be the graphic, but the 
anchored frame that is the 
problem.Grant
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RE: FM > PDF bloat

[Grant Hogarth]

Title: RE: FM > PDF bloat






Hmmm...
2 thoughts:

1) If you have the GIMP or PhotoShop, you could open the graphic and see waht might be going on.

2) A quick workaround would be to open the image full-screen in irfanview (or anyother app that will let you get a full screen display), and then do a screen capture of the displayed image.  There will be a little of the "Photocopy effect", but not enough for 99% of your audience to notice. It doesn't solve the mystery, but it would let you move along from where you are stuck.

Grant


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To: Grant Hogarth; framers@lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: RE: FM > PDF bloat

RE: FM > PDF bloatGood thinking, Grant. A different graphic doesn't cause
the problem. It's just THIS graphic, and it's this graphic in multiple
formats.

Rene

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Try this proof test -- try putting in a *different* graphic and seeing what
that does to the file size.
It may not be the graphic, but the anchored frame that is the problem.

Grant





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How FM plug-in developers are losing corporate sales

[hedley . finger]

Hackers, code-cutters, and devil-whoppers:

FrameMaker is indeed blessed with many wonderful plug-ins that vastly 
increase its utility.  Most plug-ins came into being because their 
developers had an itch to scratch, and marketed them as a useful utility 
that a fellow sufferer might want.  That is, the assumption behind the 
business model is that most FrameMaker users personally own their copy and 
are completely responsible for maintaining and upgrading it, and are also 
the purchasing decision makers.  The reality is that most FM users are 
employees of companies who generally own multiple licences.

As someone whose job it is to support FrameMaker in a small team of ten 
writers, installing and updating a reasonable set of productivity 
enhancing plug-ins is a real pain.  I would rather be handcuffed and 
hog-tied, then made to wriggle naked across red-hot broken glass than set 
up a new writer with FM and a standard operating environment of plug-ins 
and their configuration files. 

Each developer has a different installation method, sometimes with an 
installer (yay!) but often requiring files to be copied into specific 
directories and maker.ini to be edited.  Each has different ideas about 
where the plug-in should be placed and where its configuration files 
should be.  Configuration files are sometimes just key-value *.ini files, 
other times special FrameMaker files are required, and then some 
initialisation information may even be on reference pages (I concede that 
sometimes specialist FM files or ref. pages are necessary).

And don't even get me started on the byzantine licensing schemes.  Some 
require you to submit the FM serial number from which a hash activation 
key is calculated by the developer.  I really love collecting the serial 
numbers from ten copies of FrameMaker every time we upgrade to a new 
release, then emailing them to the developer, receiving the hash keys, and 
visiting each installation to type in the activation key so the plug-in 
will work. Others require you to edit an *.ini file and some have a 
registration dialogue that pops up.  Yeah, I really love going around to 
ten workstations and setting up eight plug-ins.

So you can see how the administration and maintenance of a reasonable 
number of plug-ins, plus configuring them (don't forget that!) could be a 
real pain and deter corporate customers.  So have you plug-in developers 
collectively realised what a huge barrier faces corporate customers who 
would love to use plug-ins but are deterred by the hassle?  A few of you 
out there who are completely in denial will suggest that writers could 
install the plug-ins themselves.  Yeah, right, and they will probably take 
their turn at stacking the dishwasher in the kitchenette, not stealing 
someone else's coffee, parking their cars in the spaces reserved for staff 
and not in those reserved for customers which are much closer to the 
office, completing their timesheets on time, and not creating cowboy para 
formats.

Adobe has its Creativity Suite of applications.  Why can't we have our 
FrameMaker Plug-in Productivity Package consisting of ten useful plug-ins 
with a consistent installation and registration system that sys admins and 
Tech. Comms support people can use to easily deploy as a standard 
environment on all the workstations within their care?  Too hard?  Then 
why don't you just licence your code to Adobe to clean up and integrate 
cleanly into the menu structure and GUI?

Regards,
Hedley

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