Re: Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Jun 2008, at 05:47, Dov Isaacs wrote:

 You are getting exactly what you ask for (and deserve? :-) )

Spoken like a true survivor of the Type 1 Resistance :-)

Paul


 The font name is Arial but the PostScript name inside the font
 (i.e., what displays inside of Acrobat or Reader) of that particular
 font is ArialMT where the MT is for Monotype, the font foundry
 from which it originates.

 Thus, what you are getting out of Distiller is perfectly kosher
 (assuming you really like Arial)!

 - Dov


 -Original Message-
 From: Lane, Laura K
 Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:43 AM

 I'm using FrameMaker 7.2, Acrobat Pro 7.0.9, and XP.  I've been  
 printing
 PDF books and individual files from FrameMaker using the Arial  
 font but
 when I check the font in the PDF it has been changed to ArialMT.   
 I have
 the font locations in the settings for the Distiller program as the
 following:

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Re: Overrides

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM, William Abernathy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--snipped--

 Richard's solution is spot-on. For a long time, I deleted any extra spaces I 
 saw
 at the end of a paragraph,
--snipped--

 --William


Actually, there is one downside to this that I frequently come across,
but this has mainly to do with headings that go into a ToC or the
like. If you leave a space at the end of a heading also this space
will be imported to the ToC too, so that if you have a dotted tab
after the heading it will add space before the tab dotted line.

Also, and this appears mainly in narrow columns, trailing spaces
somtimes affect the line it appears in if the line is just on the
verge of splitting. I can see this by removing the space, then the
whole line rearranges itself on the screen (filling the not so empty
space to the right). I have not tested this thoroughly with printed
samples though.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

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Re: Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Art Campbell]

Most font foundries, including Microsoft, provide details, but this is
a good summary:
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=328599sliceId=1

The short answer is to use OpenType if possible.

Art

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Shmuel Wolfson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Speaking on fonts, does anyone have any info on any info on the various
 types of fonts such as TrueType? What are the most common types?

 Any info would be appreciated.


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Re: Framers Digest, Vol 32, Issue 18

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This isn't the first time I've received empty emails from the list.  What
gives?

Thanks,
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Text insets - locked or unlocked

[Stephen O'Brien]

Hi,

In my last e-mail I mentionned that the text 
inset marker was  not showing in my document.

I miffed the file and saw that the marker only 
showed for the last text inset and it had 
TextInsetLocked = ON; for all of the other text 
insets in the document TextInsetLocked was OFF...

I thought that inserted text insets (Reformat 
using current, auto update) were always 
locked...could this be the reason I have problems 
with text insets affecting the format of 
container paragraphs even if the container paragraph has tons of text?

Thanks for any help I can get on this...I have 
been trying to solve this problem for a while...



Stephen O'Brien
Rédacteur technique / Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Québec (Québec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks, Art. You're right, I'm still warped back in time to the concept that 
Vista is the new kid on the block with all the inherent don't buy it until 
they work the bugs out cloud.

My main client has UNIX/Linux servers, and I'll be setting up a server at home 
whenever the basement finish-out project is, well, finished. Whether I set that 
up as a Linux server or a Microsoft server is yet undecided, but I'm leaning 
toward Linux for cost and resource/overhead reasons. Regardless of the laptop 
OS, I'll still be using mostly PC desktops in our home network (currently 5 
PCs), so I was thinking Linux would be the more flexible server setup.

Seems like I have heard of FM for UNIX, but it seems a blue moon. Is that like 
the FM for Mac, also got end-life'd? If so, the idea of a Linux laptop would 
probably carry the same liabilities as a Mac laptop? 

Either way, does anyone have experience sharing currently active FM files 
between users who run FM in different operating systems?

I don't know why I had the impression that Macs are faster systems than PCs? Is 
that just some grassroots advertising campaign? The attractive thing to me 
about Macs is the graphics capabilities and the fact that I have kids in school 
who could benefit from it when I trade up again (which I typically do every 
couple of years at a minimum, to keep on the higher end of available 
performance). I don't really get into the music side of electronics at all.

I had not heard Dell had a next-day replacement. That is good to know. Of 
course, it usually takes about 2 weeks for me to get all the programs loaded up 
and user settings tweaked out anyway, and I wouldn't be able to just image a 
hard drive over if I have to move to Vista. For that matter, I have seen too 
many issues with Adobe products in general for me to use the old standby of 
keeping a recent drive image as a backup in case of catastrophic failure. Shame 
- that certainly was the fastest way to recover. Surely there's a faster way to 
config and tweak out FM... I guess I can just copy the maker.ini and fminit and 
plugins directories to a customization CD?

 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Rene,

You're sort of ignoring the fact that Vista is past the first ship
early adopter milepost. It's a relatively known quantity, and the
amount of twiddling ...

Last I heard, Mac's market share has crept up to about 3% of business
systems... so while you may be able to make it a viable solution, you're
going to spend more time twiddling a dual boot or emulation
environment to run Windows. And pay more for the processing power, but
it may be worth it to you.

So if you're looking recommendations for a Windows laptop, I'd go with
an upper level Dell with next-day replacement...
look at the ruggedized models put out by Panasonic, Dell, and some
other vendors, although I don't have any personal experience with
those models.

Art
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Re: Framemaker platform support

[Art Campbell]

And no version of Frame is 64-bit OS aware, either under XP or Vista,
so it would be running limited mode if you opt for Vista 64.

Art

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Rick Quatro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Leo,

 I am running FrameMaker 7.2 on 32-bit Vista without problems.

 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing
 585-659-8267
 www.frameexpert.com



 Hello,
 We're considering upgrading Framemaker and our computers. I have a couple of
 questions that I hope someone can help me out with.

 Is Framemaker 8 supported on Windows Vista 64-bit computers? If not, does it
 run on Vista 64-bit computers? Based on what I'm seeing in the Adobe KB, I
 think not.
 http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb403291sliceId=1

 I understand that Framemaker 7.2 is not supported on Vista. However, is
 anyone successfully running it? If so, are you running it on a 32-bit Vista
 or a 64-bit Vista?

 Thanks,
 Leo Paoletti

 Ps: Is the http://www.frameusers.com/ website still in operation. I received
 an error when I went there today.














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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Rene:

Windows XP official support is supposed to end soon.

Windows XP won't be shipped with Intel Macs after the end of June, I
believe. I think the same applies to PCs.

So, Vista is not just a preference, it's a deadline.

There's no compelling reason to avoid an XP-based machine. By this
time in its life, there are few bus remaining to be fixed. A good
virus-protection application should protect your system, so the
discontinuing of MS Security updates shouldn't have an effect on
working.

If the only problems on your current laptop are lack of resources, or
messed-upness from long use installing/uninstalling/updating, etc, you
could consider a new hard drive, more RAM, and deactivating the
necessary applications, then reinstalling XP on the new drive,
copying, reinstalling, activating. If the machine's resources are
maxed out, then a new PC or MacTel with XP while it's still available
is a logical choice.

HTH
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi All,

 My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so it's 
 getting time to start the process of identifying the next workhorse for me. 
 (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very heavily. Any testimonials of 
 your laptop successes are more than welcome!)

 I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and I 
 really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping with Vista and 
 all the exponentially increased hassle factor that will entail. Frankly, I 
 don't have time to spend 30 minutes per product just to load the software and 
 get it functional by jumping through all the hoops required now. I get that 
 it's piracy protection, and I get the concept and am not trying to 
 circumvent any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and 
 purse are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.

 I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their laptops, and 
 they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by Unix/Linux and open 
 source development. But, then I get the cold water splashing in the face: the 
 majority of my computer use is work related, and the majority of that work is 
 done in FrameMaker, and FM seems viable only in PC world.

 Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? If I'm 
 going to continue working with clients whose environment, architecture, 
 workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, am I forced to concede 
 to all the baggage that comes with the PC world? Or is there a viable way to 
 use FrameMaker on a new Apple laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, 
 seamlessly with FM files saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk 
 hosing anything in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!

 Thanks in advance,


 Rene L. Stephenson
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newbie goof

[Kelly McDaniel]

I made a newbie mistake this morning. I needed to change text that had
formatting from a deleted character tag. The old tag was Code. The new
tag is Code text. I opened the replace dialog and configured it. As
soon as I hit the button, I knew what happened. I had created a loop
that performed almost 2 million changes before I could get to the escape
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks! July 2nd is closer to my funding availability than this week is.  :o)   
I have used Dell desktops, and I have borrowed a Dell Latitude from time to 
time. I also used to own an IBM ThinkPad (which I loved, although it was almost 
prohibitively proprietary and heavy as lead). I saw a Dell laptop recently that 
had a swivel screen and was purported to be drop-tested for durability, but I 
have no clue what model it was. My current laptop is an Alienware, because it 
was the most bang for the buck that I could get with a 10-key. (Yeah, 
accounting background plus tech writing vocation makes for a rather interesting 
keyboard usage...and about half the letters rubbed off inside of a year...)

 
Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I don't know how you feel about Dell hardware etc., and I have no 
experience with their laptops myself, but until July 2 you can still 
order the Vostro models with WinXP installed.

best,

-- 
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Pat Christenson]

I run FrameMaker on my Mac laptop on a Windows virtual machine using  
Parallels software. It's a little slower than in a straight Windows  
environment but worth it to me because FrameMaker is the only thing I  
need Windows for. I run everything else in the Mac environment and  
share files between the two with no problems.

VMware makes a similar product called Fusion but I haven't used it.

Pat Christenson

On Jun 19, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Rene Stephenson wrote:

 Hi All,

 My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so  
 it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next  
 workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very  
 heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than  
 welcome!)

 I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,  
 and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping  
 with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that  
 will entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per  
 product just to load the software and get it functional by jumping  
 through all the hoops required now. I get that it's piracy  
 protection, and I get the concept and am not trying to circumvent  
 any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and purse  
 are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.

 I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their  
 laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by  
 Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold  
 water splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is  
 work related, and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker,  
 and FM seems viable only in PC world.

 Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be?  
 If I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment,  
 architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker,  
 am I forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC  
 world? Or is there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple  
 laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM  
 files saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing  
 anything in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!

 Thanks in advance,


 Rene L. Stephenson
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Re: Adobe PDF failures ... backwards from what I had recently.

[Art Campbell]

It would be helpful if somewhere in your email you provided your FM
and Acrobat version levels, and other diag info such as if the files
are local or networked, how much RAM and temporary file space you have
on the system, if there are any unusual configurations in the document
files, etc.

Both this description and your earlier problems sound like old bugs
that have been fixed in patch releases of FM and Acrobat.

Art

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:57 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi, all.

 Please pardon the long e-mail here!

 In the past, with FrameMaker 7.2 and Acrobat Pro 7, on the TAGS menu, I
 had to *uncheck* the Generate Tagged PDF to make it work without
 crashing.

 Then, with FrameMaker 8 and Acrobat Pro 8, on the TAGS menu, I had to
 *check* the Generate Tagged PDF to make it work without crashing. This
 last has been working fine since I upgraded months back.

 Today, for some strange reason, I would get a FM crash, with both Save
 as PDF and with printing to the Adobe PDF printer. With the same book
 that has been working perfectly for quite a while now the past few
 weeks. An *incomplete* TPS file gets left in the directory - I know it
 is incomplete since the file clearly has missing text at the end.

 (The first time, though, I got a very strange PDF file ... in the TOC,
 the numbering was missing in some areas, some TOC lines were truncated,
 etc. It started crashing completely from the second run on!)

 So, I tried:

1. Saving each document in the book as MIF and rebuilding each
 .FM file.
2. Deleting FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting.
3. Copying the old backup .FM files from a few days ago!

 No luck whatsoever! The .TPS files left behind looked incomplete, by the
 way, like they had not finished being written.

 So, I tried to PDF individual documents (there were three in the book -
 one long one and two much shorter ones):

1. Two of the documents (the short ones) would generate PDF
 files correctly.
2. With the third one, FrameMaker would simply crash and go
 away - without even the usual menu box telling me that it had saved a
 file for the Adobe folks to look at!

 So, I tried the above *uncheck*'ed TAGS menu setting (i.e., went back to
 what I used to use with FrameMaker 7.2 for the heck of it). And, sure
 enough, now everything is working fine again! With no change to the .FM
 documents in the book whatsoever. The crash and failure to generate the
 PDF went away - both with Save as PDF and with printing to the Adobe
 PDF printer!

 So ... what on earth is this problem? What is Tagged PDF and why is it
 so problematic for FrameMaker?

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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Stuart Rogers]

Rene Stephenson wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so
 it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next
 workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very
 heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than
 welcome!)
 
 I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,
 and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping
 with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that
 will entail. 



I don't know how you feel about Dell hardware etc., and I have no 
experience with their laptops myself, but until July 2 you can still 
order the Vostro models with WinXP installed.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Kelly McDaniel]

 I don't know why I had the impression that Macs are faster systems
than PCs? 

That impression may have come from an article in PC World...Kelly.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136649-page,3-c,notebooks/article.html

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene
 Stephenson
 Sent: 2008-06-19 10:30
 To: Art Campbell
 Cc: FrameUsers List
 Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions
 
 Thanks, Art. You're right, I'm still warped back in time to the
concept that Vista is the new kid on the block with all the
 inherent don't buy it until they work the bugs out cloud.
 
 My main client has UNIX/Linux servers, and I'll be setting up a server
at home whenever the basement finish-out project is,
 well, finished. Whether I set that up as a Linux server or a Microsoft
server is yet undecided, but I'm leaning toward Linux for
 cost and resource/overhead reasons. Regardless of the laptop OS, I'll
still be using mostly PC desktops in our home network
 (currently 5 PCs), so I was thinking Linux would be the more flexible
server setup.
 
 Seems like I have heard of FM for UNIX, but it seems a blue moon. Is
that like the FM for Mac, also got end-life'd? If so, the
 idea of a Linux laptop would probably carry the same liabilities as a
Mac laptop?
 
 Either way, does anyone have experience sharing currently active FM
files between users who run FM in different operating
 systems?
 
 I don't know why I had the impression that Macs are faster systems
than PCs? Is that just some grassroots advertising
 campaign? The attractive thing to me about Macs is the graphics
capabilities and the fact that I have kids in school who could
 benefit from it when I trade up again (which I typically do every
couple of years at a minimum, to keep on the higher end of
 available performance). I don't really get into the music side of
electronics at all.
 
 I had not heard Dell had a next-day replacement. That is good to know.
Of course, it usually takes about 2 weeks for me to
 get all the programs loaded up and user settings tweaked out anyway,
and I wouldn't be able to just image a hard drive over
 if I have to move to Vista. For that matter, I have seen too many
issues with Adobe products in general for me to use the old
 standby of keeping a recent drive image as a backup in case of
catastrophic failure. Shame - that certainly was the fastest way
 to recover. Surely there's a faster way to config and tweak out FM...
I guess I can just copy the maker.ini and fminit and
 plugins directories to a customization CD?
 
 
 Rene L. Stephenson
 
 
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Rene,
 
 You're sort of ignoring the fact that Vista is past the first ship
 early adopter milepost. It's a relatively known quantity, and the
 amount of twiddling ...
 
 Last I heard, Mac's market share has crept up to about 3% of business
 systems... so while you may be able to make it a viable solution,
you're
 going to spend more time twiddling a dual boot or emulation
 environment to run Windows. And pay more for the processing power, but
 it may be worth it to you.
 
 So if you're looking recommendations for a Windows laptop, I'd go with
 an upper level Dell with next-day replacement...
 look at the ruggedized models put out by Panasonic, Dell, and some
 other vendors, although I don't have any personal experience with
 those models.
 
 Art
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks, Peter. I was one of the daring few who jumped into the first version of 
the then newly available laptop dual core Intel chipset. Unfortunately, that 
chipset was discontinued after 6 weeks' production due to lack of support for 
power save features. If I had been more cunning, I would have negotiated a 
restock at the time. This idiosyncrasy has been the bane of my laptop 
usage...well, that and the fact that the battery doesn't last more than an hour 
or so. The video card is dedicated, but it also generates a TON of heat, and 
there have been a host of problems cropping up with that heat at the root of 
the issue. Plus, it doesn't help that it has been dropped and slung onto the 
floorboard due to sudden stops in traffic a few times.  :-\  So, I think I'd 
have to rebuild from the motherboard and graphics card all the way up.

I am heavily reliant on 10-key, so I'm afraid that forces me into looking at 
laptops with 17 screens...but I just hate having that size...almost a 
luggable, really.

I'm hearing Parallels and other solutions for Mac are the workaround for FM 
dependency; and SPARC+Solaris is the non-PC environment for FM. I would be fine 
without the Windows security updates. I keep auto-update disabled anyway and 
let my IT guru selectively install the ones that are truly needed and proven 
not to be a Pandora's box. (Color me paranoid, but I once lost too much time 
with a Windows update that interfered with stuff right before a deadline.)

 
Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi, Rene:

...
If the only problems on your current laptop are lack of resources, or
messed-upness from long use installing/uninstalling/updating, etc, you
could consider a new hard drive, more RAM, and deactivating the
necessary applications, then reinstalling XP on the new drive,
copying, reinstalling, activating. If the machine's resources are
maxed out, then a new PC or MacTel with XP while it's still available
is a logical choice.
...
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Art Campbell]

If you use a 10-key a lot, why not use an external so you can go with
a smaller laptop?
Looks as if there are lots of options, including some that include a mouse...

Such as:
http://www.provantage.com/scripts/search.dll?QUERY=USB+numeric+keypadSubmit.x=0Submit.y=0

Art

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Rene Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thanks, Peter. I was one of the daring few who jumped into the first version 
 of the then newly available laptop dual core Intel chipset. Unfortunately, 
 that chipset was discontinued after 6 weeks' production due to lack of 
 support for power save features. If I had been more cunning, I would have 
 negotiated a restock at the time. This idiosyncrasy has been the bane of my 
 laptop usage...well, that and the fact that the battery doesn't last more 
 than an hour or so. The video card is dedicated, but it also generates a TON 
 of heat, and there have been a host of problems cropping up with that heat at 
 the root of the issue. Plus, it doesn't help that it has been dropped and 
 slung onto the floorboard due to sudden stops in traffic a few times.  :-\  
 So, I think I'd have to rebuild from the motherboard and graphics card all 
 the way up.

 I am heavily reliant on 10-key, so I'm afraid that forces me into looking at 
 laptops with 17 screens...but I just hate having that size...almost a 
 luggable, really.

 I'm hearing Parallels and other solutions for Mac are the workaround for FM 
 dependency; and SPARC+Solaris is the non-PC environment for FM. I would be 
 fine without the Windows security updates. I keep auto-update disabled anyway 
 and let my IT guru selectively install the ones that are truly needed and 
 proven not to be a Pandora's box. (Color me paranoid, but I once lost too 
 much time with a Windows update that interfered with stuff right before a 
 deadline.)


 Rene L. Stephenson


 - Original Message 
 From: Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi, Rene:

 ...
 If the only problems on your current laptop are lack of resources, or
 messed-upness from long use installing/uninstalling/updating, etc, you
 could consider a new hard drive, more RAM, and deactivating the
 necessary applications, then reinstalling XP on the new drive,
 copying, reinstalling, activating. If the machine's resources are
 maxed out, then a new PC or MacTel with XP while it's still available
 is a logical choice.
 ...
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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sam Beard]

Rene,

   If you're interested in a Mac running VMWare's Fusion, Parallel's
Desktop, or any other emulation/virtualization software, Macworld
Magazine did a comparison of these programs within the past three or
four months. You might still find it available on their Web site. 

   I also agree with Art on the 10-key peripheral. They're fairly cheap
and MUCH easier/cheaper to replace than a new keyboard or computer! If
it's something that would fit into your work method/style, it just might
help you out quite a bit.

   Apple is making a push for more of the business market, and has been
for quite a few years since they introduced their own rack-mounted
server. Recently, with the increased sales/market share of Macs, Apple
is also pushing their computers more towards the business market, too.
With the help of virtualization software and Apple's own Boot Camp
software, there's little that a Mac can't do these days. PC Magazine has
for quite a few years now considered a Mac laptop one of the best, and
PC World and Consumer Reports usually agrees with them, for what that
might be worth. 

Good luck with your decision and purchase, whatever it might be!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rene
Stephenson
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:52 AM
To: FrameUsers List
Subject: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Hi All,

My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so it's
getting time to start the process of identifying the next workhorse for
me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very heavily. Any
testimonials of your laptop successes are more than welcome!) 

I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and
I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping with
Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that will
entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per product just
to load the software and get it functional by jumping through all the
hoops required now. I get that it's piracy protection, and I get the
concept and am not trying to circumvent any copyright laws, but it
really just feels like my time and purse are being taxed because of
other people's lack of ethics. 

I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their
laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by
Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold water
splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is work related,
and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker, and FM seems viable
only in PC world. 

Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? If
I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment,
architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, am I
forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC world? Or is
there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple
laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM files
saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing anything in
these single-sourced shared-file environments...!

Thanks in advance,

 
Rene L. Stephenson
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Cool! Definitely a viable solution. THANKS

 
Rene L. Stephenson

- Original Message 
From: Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you use a 10-key a lot, why not use an external so you can go with
a smaller laptop?
Looks as if there are lots of options, including some that include a mouse...

Such as:
http://www.provantage.com/scripts/search.dll?QUERY=USB+numeric+keypadSubmit.x=0Submit.y=0

Art
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sarah O'Keefe]

Rene Stephenson wrote:
 I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,
 and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping
 with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that
 will entail.

I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to 
chucking it and getting a Mac.

It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP, 
great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go 
with b, speaking from personal experience.

insert long litany of complaints here

Sarah

-- 

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Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

Rene

Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based 
laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows XP. 
In some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With brand 
new hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find 
XP-suitable drivers. Your best best (in the Windows arena) is to get 
one originally designed for XP, assuming of course that you choose to 
avoid VISTA.

At one point earlier this Spring, Microsoft was considering extending 
their cutoff date for XP beyond June 30th because of the uproar from 
the business community. I guess that must not have happened, but 
before you sink money into a VISTA-only machine, I'd double-check the 
validity of that rumor.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
***
At 06:51 AM 6/19/2008, Rene Stephenson wrote:
Hi All,

My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so 
it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next 
workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very 
heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than welcome!)

I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, 
and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping 
with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that 
will entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per 
product just to load the software and get it functional by jumping 
through all the hoops required now. I get that it's piracy 
protection, and I get the concept and am not trying to circumvent 
any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and purse 
are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.

I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their 
laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by 
Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold 
water splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is work 
related, and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker, and FM 
seems viable only in PC world.

Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? 
If I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment, 
architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, 
am I forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC 
world? Or is there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple 
laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM files 
saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing anything 
in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!

Thanks in advance,


Rene L. Stephenson
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Kelly McDaniel]

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/04/16/ibm-considering-macs-for-employees/

 

 

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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks for your candid insight, Sarah. Are any bits of your litany addressed 
with Vista SP1?

 
Rene L. Stephenson

- Original Message 
From: Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP, 
great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go 
with b, speaking from personal experience.

insert long litany of complaints here

Sarah
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RE: Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

My response had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH Type 1 versus TrueType.
It had to do with taste in fonts and was meant as a joke.

Arial has strong similarities to Helvetica (although it really can't
be called a knock-off due to many differences in style, although the
Arial shipped these days has set widths that closely match those of
the Helvetica base fonts in PostScript printers) - very bland san serif
font that may be great for road signage, but ...

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Paul Findon
 Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:33 AM

 On 19 Jun 2008, at 05:47, Dov Isaacs wrote:

  You are getting exactly what you ask for (and deserve? :-) )

 Spoken like a true survivor of the Type 1 Resistance :-)

 Paul


  The font name is Arial but the PostScript name inside the font
  (i.e., what displays inside of Acrobat or Reader) of that particular
  font is ArialMT where the MT is for Monotype, the font foundry
  from which it originates.
 
  Thus, what you are getting out of Distiller is perfectly kosher
  (assuming you really like Arial)!
 
  - Dov
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Peter Gold]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Rene Stephenson wrote:
 I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,
 and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping
 with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that
 will entail.

 I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to
 chucking it and getting a Mac.

 It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP,
 great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go
 with b, speaking from personal experience.

FrameMaker for Mac stopped at 7.0, which leaves the issue of buying a
MacTel with Windows XP before the deadline at the end of June.


 insert long litany of complaints here

 Sarah


Regards,

Peter
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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sam Beard]

Peter,

   Just to clarify, you CAN'T buy a Mac with Windows XP. At least, not
directly configured that way from Apple. A third-party store might be
selling one with some virtualization software to go along with XP.
Although, with Boot Camp, I suppose there COULD be a store selling one
with Windows pre-installed and NO virtualization software included.
Still, Apple doesn't promote this as something available at their stores
or via the Web, AFAIK.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:13 PM
To: Sarah O'Keefe
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Sarah O'Keefe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 Rene Stephenson wrote:
 I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,
 and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping
 with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that
 will entail.

 I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to
 chucking it and getting a Mac.

 It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP,
 great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go
 with b, speaking from personal experience.

FrameMaker for Mac stopped at 7.0, which leaves the issue of buying a
MacTel with Windows XP before the deadline at the end of June.


 insert long litany of complaints here

 Sarah


Regards,

Peter
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RE: Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

Shmuel,

One can write a book about this topic!   :-)

Today's significant font formats for Windows and Macintosh include:

Type 1 fonts - Bezier curve-based fonts originally used in Adobe PostScript
printers. The host computer versions of these fonts may be in Mac
format (in which case the font data is in the resource fork and the
font metrics such as kerning data is stored in a separate screen font
file) or Windows format (in which case the font data is stored in a
.PFB file and the font metrics including set widths and kerning data
is stored in a .PFM file).

TrueType fonts - Quadratic curve-based fonts released by Apple and
subsequently by Microsoft from Apple's Project Royal that was based
on work done at Imagen Corporation in the mid-1990s in an effort to gang
up on Adobe which ironically led to Adobe opening up and publically
publishing the specifications for Type 1 fonts in 1990. There are several
flavours of these fonts for the host computer. Windows TrueType font
format may also be used on MacOS X systems. Macintosh TrueType fonts
are stored in the font file's resource fork in a slightly different
format. Macintosh .dfonts are Macintosh TrueType fonts stored in the
font file's data fork but still not the same as Windows TrueType format.
In PostScript, EPS, and PDF files, TrueType is represented via Type 42
fonts - native TrueType within PostScript/PDF. Note that contrary to
popular myth (1) there is absolutely nothing wrong with well-constructed
TrueType fonts compared to Type 1 fonts and (2) in PostScript printers
and Adobe applications (including Acrobat), TrueType fonts are NOT
internally converted to Type 1 fonts!

OpenType fonts - A cross-platform marriage of TrueType fonts that come
in two flavours. OpenType CFF fonts are Type 1 fonts (Bezier curve cased)
in what looks like a very extended TrueType wrapper. OpenType TrueType
fonts are TrueType fonts in a very extended TrueType container. Both
flavours are natively supported by MacOS X and Windows 2000 (and above)
as well as Adobe applications. What especially distinguishes OpenType from
earlier Type 1 and TrueType fonts other than the ability to use the same
font files on either Windows or Macintosh is the ability to define a very
large character set in the font (up to 64K distinct glyphs) to support
Unicode as well as a tremendous amount of intelligence related to compound
characters, kerning, alternate characters (such as slashed zeros and
swashes), small caps, lower case numerals, subscripts, superscripts, etc.
Tables for these features are in the font itself such that layout programs
such as InDesign can readily support stylistic features in a very
generalized fashion. Within PostScript, EPS, and PDF files, OpenType fonts
are embedded as either Type 1 or Type 42 fonts depending upon the type
of the OpenType font. In PDF 1.6 and above, full native OpenType fonts may
be directly embedded in PDF files although in practice this is not commonly
done (at least yet)!

- Dov

 -Original Message-
 From: Shmuel Wolfson
 Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:50 AM

 Speaking on fonts, does anyone have any info on any info on the various
 types of fonts such as TrueType? What are the most common types?

 Any info would be appreciated.

 Regards,
 Shmuel Wolfson
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Peter Gold]

Thanks for clarifying this, Sam. I was thinking of non-Apple Mac
resellers who pre-install Windows for their customers, or sell a
virtual product and a Windows version with their MacTels. The Mad
resellers are barred from selling XP just as the PC resellers are.


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 Peter,

   Just to clarify, you CAN'T buy a Mac with Windows XP. At least, not
 directly configured that way from Apple. A third-party store might be
 selling one with some virtualization software to go along with XP.
 Although, with Boot Camp, I suppose there COULD be a store selling one
 with Windows pre-installed and NO virtualization software included.
 Still, Apple doesn't promote this as something available at their stores
 or via the Web, AFAIK.

Regards,

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off topic: Watermark in Word

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hey all:

Off topic, but we are printing a word document and have a watermark
(EXAMPLE) behind jpgs in the Appendix.  The word EXAMPLE is printing
with letters missing.  I've printed the document out before without
this problem.  It seems to have developed in the past week.

Anyone experience something similar?

Deirdre
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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

 

If you are using FM in conjunction with a CMS such as Content@, be especially 
careful before switching to Vista. Make certain that you speak with your CMS 
Tech Support and NOT a sales rep.

 

Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on running a dual-boot machine with 
Vista and XP?

 

What New Coke did for Pepsi sales in the 80s and what the Chevy Vega did for 
Japanese auto sales in the 70s Vista may now be doing for Mac sales. That goes 
double for Office 2007.   ≡8^@

I was forced to switch to a Vista machine because my old laptop lost an 
argument with-as fate would have it- a Coca Cola Product. I tried everything 
but an exorcist to resurrect my “faithful ol' lappie”-believe me- but to no 
avail. Now, I’m considering time travel. 

 

If you have an  XP machine, savor it like the last of the summer wine. 

 

DJ Butler

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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

 

Rene Stephenson wrote:

 I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,

 and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping

 with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that

 will entail.

 

I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to 

chucking it and getting a Mac.

 

It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP, 

great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go 

with b, speaking from personal experience.

 

insert long litany of complaints here

 

Sarah

 

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RE: off topic: Watermark in Word

[Owen, Clint]

Deirdre,

I can think of two things: 1. Some kind of bizarre spell check or auto
replace accident, or 2. A memory or file corruption issue that is
causing the characters to drop out during printing. 

I print all kinds of documents regularly with no problem, but I have one
269 page PDF that drops most of the characters from the headings,
headers, and footers from some pages but not others. If I print the
offending pages one at a time they print fine! I can also fix it by
using the reduce file size feature in Acrobat and saving back to an
earlier version of PDF.

HTH,

Clint


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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:50 AM
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Subject: off topic: Watermark in Word

Hey all:

Off topic, but we are printing a word document and have a watermark
(EXAMPLE) behind jpgs in the Appendix.  The word EXAMPLE is printing
with letters missing.  I've printed the document out before without this
problem.  It seems to have developed in the past week.

Anyone experience something similar?

Deirdre
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RE: Adobe PDF failures ... backwards from what I had recently.

[Syed.Hosain]

 It would be helpful if somewhere in your email you provided your FM
 and Acrobat version levels, and other diag info such as if the files
 are local or networked, how much RAM and temporary file space you have
 on the system, if there are any unusual configurations in the document
 files, etc.

Oops, you are right, I should definitely have been more informative!
Here we go ... (did I miss anything?)

1. All FrameMaker and Acrobat patches are always in place - was true of
the 7.2 versions as well - since I make sure to check for them
regularly.

2. So, I am currently running: Acrobat Professional 8.1.2 and FrameMaker
8.0p277 - I just checked again using the Adobe Updater from within both
programs (for the heck of it) and there is nothing new available either.

3. My system is a Dell Latitude D820 laptop, 2.2GHz Dual Core Intel
processor, 2GB of RAM and a single 80GB disk - I currently have about
30GB of disk space free.

4. I am running Windows XP SP2 ... latest Windows patches (no new
updates available according to the Microsoft updater).

5. All files (program and documents, etc.) are local on my disk. No
networked files. Since this is a laptop that I take back and forth from
work to home to work on, I do not like to rely on systems or files that
are not present at both locations!

6. No unusual configuration that I can see: Just a directory with the
book and three document .fm files. All in the same directory. No
embedded graphics. No references to other documents or text insets. Lots
of user variables  perhaps (about 400 of them) and many internal
hyperlinks from one section of the document to another section(but not
to another document). Entire book is now about 216 pages long ... first
file is about 6 pages, second is about 12 pages and the third (the one
that crashed FM on its own) accounts for the rest of the pages.

S-o-o-o-o ... my questions again: What on earth is the cause of this
problem described below? What is Tagged PDF and why is it so
problematic for FrameMaker - either/both 7.2 and 8.0?

 Both this description and your earlier problems sound like old bugs
 that have been fixed in patch releases of FM and Acrobat.

Hmmm ... does not look like they have fixed it in the latest set anyway.

Z

 -Original Message-
 It would be helpful if somewhere in your email you provided your FM
 and Acrobat version levels, and other diag info such as if the files
 are local or networked, how much RAM and temporary file space you have
 on the system, if there are any unusual configurations in the document
 files, etc.
 
 Both this description and your earlier problems sound like old bugs
 that have been fixed in patch releases of FM and Acrobat.
 
 Art
 
 On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:57 AM,  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi, all.
 
  Please pardon the long e-mail here!
 
  In the past, with FrameMaker 7.2 and Acrobat Pro 7, on the TAGS
menu, I
  had to *uncheck* the Generate Tagged PDF to make it work without
  crashing.
 
  Then, with FrameMaker 8 and Acrobat Pro 8, on the TAGS menu, I had
to
  *check* the Generate Tagged PDF to make it work without crashing.
This
  last has been working fine since I upgraded months back.
 
  Today, for some strange reason, I would get a FM crash, with both
Save
  as PDF and with printing to the Adobe PDF printer. With the same
book
  that has been working perfectly for quite a while now the past few
  weeks. An *incomplete* TPS file gets left in the directory - I know
it
  is incomplete since the file clearly has missing text at the end.
 
  (The first time, though, I got a very strange PDF file ... in the
TOC,
  the numbering was missing in some areas, some TOC lines were
truncated,
  etc. It started crashing completely from the second run on!)
 
  So, I tried:
 
 1. Saving each document in the book as MIF and rebuilding
each
  .FM file.
 2. Deleting FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting.
 3. Copying the old backup .FM files from a few days ago!
 
  No luck whatsoever! The .TPS files left behind looked incomplete, by
the
  way, like they had not finished being written.
 
  So, I tried to PDF individual documents (there were three in the
book -
  one long one and two much shorter ones):
 
 1. Two of the documents (the short ones) would generate PDF
  files correctly.
 2. With the third one, FrameMaker would simply crash and go
  away - without even the usual menu box telling me that it had saved
a
  file for the Adobe folks to look at!
 
  So, I tried the above *uncheck*'ed TAGS menu setting (i.e., went
back to
  what I used to use with FrameMaker 7.2 for the heck of it). And,
sure
  enough, now everything is working fine again! With no change to the
.FM
  documents in the book whatsoever. The crash and failure to generate
the
  PDF went away - both with Save as PDF and with printing to the
Adobe
  PDF printer!
 
  So ... what on earth is this problem? What is Tagged PDF and why
is it
  so problematic for FrameMaker?
 
  Z

Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks for the CMS reminder, DJ, as well as the giggles. :o)  

I think the Wikipedia article Milan posted indicates  XP SP2 support through 
July 2010, even though new licenses aren't supposed to be available after June 
2008. Maybe over the next two years a better option will emerge from the fog.

Dual boot is an interesting idea, but it's my impression that  Vista matches 
hard drive serial number with OS serial number and snoops everything on the 
hard drive, which means I'd be surprised if that worked...and I'm also 
scratching my head about what the cost/benefit  in time/productivity would be. 
I'm sure I'm missing something...maybe it's in the bottom of my espresso cup.

 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC 

Make certain that you speak with your CMS Tech Support and NOT a sales rep.

Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on running a dual-boot machine with 
Vista and XP?

If you have an  XP machine, savor it like the last of the summer wine. 


DJ Butler
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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sam Beard]

Peter,

   I figured you probably knew this, and that (upon second-guessing
myself) what you meant was through a third-party seller. But I thought
I'd make sure it was understood by all involved, just in case.

Have a great day and weekend!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: Sarah O'Keefe; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Thanks for clarifying this, Sam. I was thinking of non-Apple Mac
resellers who pre-install Windows for their customers, or sell a
virtual product and a Windows version with their MacTels. The Mad
resellers are barred from selling XP just as the PC resellers are.


On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Sam Beard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Peter,

   Just to clarify, you CAN'T buy a Mac with Windows XP. At least, not
 directly configured that way from Apple. A third-party store might be
 selling one with some virtualization software to go along with XP.
 Although, with Boot Camp, I suppose there COULD be a store selling one
 with Windows pre-installed and NO virtualization software included.
 Still, Apple doesn't promote this as something available at their
stores
 or via the Web, AFAIK.

Regards,

Peter
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

I sort of stubbed my toe on another issue that's going to affect this: I have 
to be able to synch my calendar, contacts, and tasks to a PDA/SmartPhone. I'm 
beginning to think the only choice remaining is wait and pay more total for a 
MacBook and next generation of iPhone; or jump right away to get an XP laptop 
so that I can use Outlook with both the mobile device and laptop.

So, maybe FM is only one part of the consideration. I'm just too PC-dependent.  
:o)

 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

One other possible (untested) solution: Has anyone tried running FM
under OpenSolaris? Conceivably that would work on an Intel/AMD box, and
could also work virtualized under Linux or MacOS.

FM 7.x apparently works reasonably well in Crossover Linux, the
commercial development of Wine:
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Paul Findon]

Hi Rene,

If Adobe had done the right thing by its customers and given us  
FrameMaker for Mac OS X, we wouldn't be having this conversation, but...

I know several people who run Windows FrameMaker on their Intel Macs  
with Parallels. I've not tried it with FrameMaker, but My son had  
been on to me about installing parallels on his Intel iMac for a  
while so he can run Microsoft Publisher, so last month we took the  
plunge. Installation was surprisingly easy. In fact, installing  
Windows seemed to proceed quicker than the last time I installed it  
on my Pentium 4 PC.

Our copy of Windows XP (pre-SP1) is an upgrade, so we had to insert  
our Windows 95 full version CD during installation (used the CD/DVD  
Disconnect function), but Parallels handled it with ease. Then we  
installed Windows XP SP2, AVG Free Anti-virus 8.0, Office, and Firefox.

Things were a bit tight with 1 GB of memory, but everything worked.  
And running in Coherence mode, Windows apps appear side-by-side with  
Mac apps, which is uncanny. The other day we popped in 4 GB memory  
and Parallels runs even better. My son is happily producing his  
Runescape booklets in Publisher, which we then print to PS, open in  
Preview, save as PDF, and impose with Cheap Imposter. Even Mac OS X's  
Spotlight search tool finds files on the virtual machine's C: drive.  
Cool!

Popular Mechanics recently commented that Macs run Vista better than  
PCs and from what I've seen so far, I can believe it.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/17/macs-run- 
vista-better-pcs

One advantage of Parallels on Mac OS X is that if Windows or a pesky  
app goes pear shaped (perish the thought), it doesn't take your  
entire PC with it and require a reset. You simply kill the virtual  
machine and re-open it. Parallels offer a 15-day free trial.

Incidentally, I've also tried Mac FrameMaker 6 and 7 on my son's  
Intel Mac with Mac OS 9 running inside SheepShaver, an open source  
Power PC emulator. Considering it's converting Intel and PowerPC  
instructions on the fly, it's incredibly snappy. Much faster than  
Virtual PC ever was. I can print to my networked LaserJet, connect to  
other Macs on the network, access all of the files on the Mac OS X  
side, sound works, boots up in 30 seconds, even the scroll ball on  
the Mighty Mouse works (up/down only). It's not 100% stable and I'm  
not suggesting anyone use it for work, but at this price...  Anyway,  
I was gob smacked the first time I saw Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, and  
WIndows XP all running simultaneously on the same Mac.

As you know, Mac OS X comes with an interactive spell checker built  
in. I've gotten so used to it, that now I right-click while working  
in Mac FrameMaker expecting a list of possible spelling suggestions  
to appear. Alas, all I get is FrameMaker's contextual menu. OS X also  
comes with a dictionary. OK. Not that exciting on it's own perhaps,  
but if you press Command-Control-D in any app, a little dictionary  
window instantly appears as you move the mouse over words. Now that's  
cool!

Paul



 My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so  
 it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next  
 workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very  
 heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than  
 welcome!)

 I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,  
 and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping  
 with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that  
 will entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per  
 product just to load the software and get it functional by jumping  
 through all the hoops required now. I get that it's piracy  
 protection, and I get the concept and am not trying to circumvent  
 any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and purse  
 are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.

 I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their  
 laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by  
 Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold  
 water splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is  
 work related, and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker,  
 and FM seems viable only in PC world.

 Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be?  
 If I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment,  
 architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker,  
 am I forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC  
 world? Or is there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple  
 laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM  
 files saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing  
 anything in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!

 Thanks in advance,


 Rene L. Stephenson
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RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

Yeah, you are probably right, Rene. The dual-boot question was just a
stab in the dark.
My entire office may be forced to up(...down??)-grade to Vista in the
hopefully-not-to-near future. Our vehement petition for a stay of
execution may be ignored in favor of the IT UBER-POLICY, unless we can
come up with a compromise.

Cost/benefit and time/productivity be hanged; we're talking survival
here!

DJ Butler

-Original Message-
From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:37 PM
To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Thanks for the CMS reminder, DJ, as well as the giggles. :o)  

I think the Wikipedia article Milan posted indicates  XP SP2 support
through July 2010, even though new licenses aren't supposed to be
available after June 2008. Maybe over the next two years a better option
will emerge from the fog.

Dual boot is an interesting idea, but it's my impression that  Vista
matches hard drive serial number with OS serial number and snoops
everything on the hard drive, which means I'd be surprised if that
worked...and I'm also scratching my head about what the cost/benefit  in
time/productivity would be. I'm sure I'm missing something...maybe it's
in the bottom of my espresso cup.

 
Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC 

Make certain that you speak with your CMS Tech Support and NOT a sales
rep.

Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on running a dual-boot machine
with Vista and XP?

If you have an  XP machine, savor it like the last of the summer wine. 


DJ Butler


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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done a lot of 
reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by one of its bugs and 
wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a complete nightmare, every 
single time, and a couple of times was such a colossal headache that he just 
told the client to return the computer for a refund and buy an XP machine. He 
said if I go to a Vista box, I'd better be prepared to do it come what may 
without looking back.


 
Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
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Rene

Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based
laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows XP. In
some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With brand new
hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find XP-suitable
drivers. Your best best (in the Windows arena) is to get one originally
designed for XP, assuming of course that you choose to avoid
VISTA.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Mike Wickham]

Rene,

I also have to replace a laptop. It was attached to the network when we got
hit by lightning. I hate that Vista is the only choice that  laptop 
manufacturers
are giving us these days. So I'm planning to check to be sure that
XP-compatible drivers are available for the prospective laptop's hardware.
Then I'm going to reformat the disk, install Windows XP Professional, and 
install the proper drivers instead. It'll eliminate the junk trialware, too.

Mike Wickham




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RE: degree symbol

[Owen, Clint]

 Try ALT+ 0176  °


Clint


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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:38 PM
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Subject: degree symbol

quick question -- FM 8.0 XP

I need to make the degree symbol.  Help tells me to hit CNTL + m ).

Cntl + M gives me the paragraph design dialog box.

Help also tells me to write \degree and hit return.

\degree with return gives me \degree
and a paragraph mark.

lol

Is there something I'm supposed to be doing here that I'm missing?

Thanks!

Deirdre
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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Jun 2008, at 21:06, Rene Stephenson wrote:

 You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done  
 a lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by  
 one of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a  
 complete nightmare, every single time, and a couple of times was  
 such a colossal headache that he just told the client to return the  
 computer for a refund and buy an XP machine. He said if I go to a  
 Vista box, I'd better be prepared to do it come what may without  
 looking back.

This is one area where the Mac has always been the clear winner over  
the PC - multiple operating systems.

With a Mac, you simply attach another hard drive, install the OS, and  
use the Startup Disk preference to choose it as your startup OS. Done!

Not so easy on a PC. A long, long time ago, I installed the English  
and Japanese versions of Windows 3.1 on my PC using two separate hard  
drives. To get around the ATA master/slave limitations, I hard wired  
a rear-panel switch to the master/slave jumpers. To switch between  
systems, I shut down, flicked the switch, and rebooted. That was  
after learning about MBR (Master Boot Records) the hard way. Several  
years later I found a pre-wired master/slave switch kit on sale in  
Japanese PC store. Ahh, another patent slips away...

Fast forward nearly 15 years and nothing has changed. I've now got  
the English and Japanese versions of Windows XP on two separate hard  
drives. (Yes, I know about 3rd party tools such as Partition Magic).)

Anyway, with Parallels, you can run multiple virtual machines  
simultaneously. Windows XP, Vista, 2000, Linux, etc. Perfect for  
testing and documenting different systems and beta software.

Paul
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Re: degree symbol

[Deirdre Reagan]

Alt 0176 works indeed!  But I have to be on the number pad, not the
numbers across the top of the keyboard.

Anyone know why Help's help isn't helpful?

Deirdre

On 6/19/08, Alan Litchfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Deirdre you crack me up :D

 On a PC I think you hold down alt and press 0176 (on a Mac at the moment so
 can't test it).

 Alan


 On 20/06/2008, at 9:38 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

 
  quick question -- FM 8.0 XP
 
  I need to make the degree symbol.  Help tells me to hit CNTL + m ).
 
  Cntl + M gives me the paragraph design dialog box.
 
  Help also tells me to write \degree and hit return.
 
  \degree with return gives me \degree
  and a paragraph mark.
 
  lol
 
  Is there something I'm supposed to be doing here that I'm missing?
 
  Thanks!
 
  Deirdre
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Re: degree symbol

[Alan Litchfield]

It's a guy thing ;)

On 20/06/2008, at 9:59 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:

 Alt 0176 works indeed!  But I have to be on the number pad, not the
 numbers across the top of the keyboard.

 Anyone know why Help's help isn't helpful?

 Deirdre

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 On a PC I think you hold down alt and press 0176 (on a Mac at the  
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 quick question -- FM 8.0 XP

 I need to make the degree symbol.  Help tells me to hit CNTL + m ).

 Cntl + M gives me the paragraph design dialog box.

 Help also tells me to write \degree and hit return.

 \degree with return gives me \degree
 and a paragraph mark.

 lol

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Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Mike Wickham]

 Anyway, with Parallels, you can run multiple virtual machines
 simultaneously. Windows XP, Vista, 2000, Linux, etc. Perfect for
 testing and documenting different systems and beta software.

And of course, there is the PC counterpart-- Microsoft Virtual PC 2007. It 
can be downloaded free at 
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/default.mspx. It's 
limited to running virtual machines of Windows 98 or later and OS/2, though.

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FrameMaker on Windows - Issues Discussed Today

[Dov Isaacs]

A number of issues associated with Windows have been discussed on this forum
today with relationship to FrameMaker on Windows, Windows itself, running
Windows on MacTel systems with either Bootcamp or Parallels, Vista, and Vista 
64.

I was somewhat otherwise occupied when those messages came in and couldn't reply
at the time, but now that I have a few minutes, I thought I would try to kill a
few stones with one bird, so to speak:

(1) WRT/ running FrameMaker 8 (with all current updates) on Vista 64 ...
the system requirements for FrameMaker 8 are mute with regards to support
for 64-bit versions of Windows. It does not say we don't support Vista 64
or for that matter, XP 64. My main desktop system in my office is currently
a Dell Precision Workstation T5400 with dual Xeon 3 ghz quad core processors,
8 GB of main memory, 600 GB of 15000rpm SAS (serially attached SCSI) disk
storage, and a 30 Dell 3007 monitor (2560 x 1600 pixels). It is running
Windows Vista Ultimate 64-bit with Service Pack 1. I have encountered no
problems running FrameMaker 8.0.4 in that environment that I would not have
encountered under Windows XP 32-bit. This is true with BOTH Acrobat Pro 8 and
Acrobat Pro Extended 9 (available soon to the public). In other words, not
only does save as PDF work under Vista 64-bit and Acrobat 8, but there are
no further compatibility problems with Acrobat 9!

Note that under Vista 64, FrameMaker runs as a 32-bit application. There is
absolutely no performance penalty for this (contrary to popular belief).
Although FrameMaker does not take advantage of any 64-bit optimizations
running in this mode, it does gain by (a) a full address space to run under
and (b) the system's ability to use much more real memory which results in
less paging operations to disk. This is especially important if when running
FrameMaker, you also have an e-mail window and few browser windows open and
perhaps are running Photoshop and/or Illustrator in parallel with FrameMaker.

(2) WRT/ Vista itself, I neither own stock in Microsoft nor do I have any
love for their products, but I personally think that Vista has gotten a
bummer rap than it deserves. In having used Vista on two desktop systems
(one 32-bit and the other 64-bit) and one notebook system, I have generally
found it to be quite robust and if you know how to make appropriate system
adjustments (both to the user interface and the infamous UAC - turn it off),
it is really no more quirky than Windows XP, just different quirks! Many of
the complaints are coming from enterprise users:

(a) Too many promises of OS improvements were promised by Microsoft
with Vista, but relatively few, except for security features, were 
actually
delivered. Enterprise users were looking for sustentative improvements,
not fluff. Features such as Aero windows styles and XPS have zilch 
value
in terms of enterprise productivity.

(b) Enterprise users felt HAD by Microsoft's software maintenance
program introduced at the time of Windows XP that required enterprise
users to pay expensive maintenance fees every year for the right to
upgrade to the next version of Windows and Office that were delayed
several years beyond the point when expected.

(c) Many of the fixes in Service Pack 1, especially those related to
performance and file copying performance, should have been made 
available
at least six months earlier than they were. For that matter, those
problems should not have made it out the door.

(d) The Vista Ultimate versions never delivered on Microsoft's 
promise
of extra goodies available on a regular basis.

(e) Microsoft spent too much time pressuring peripheral makers on 
issues
such as forcing XPS, Microsoft's new color management system, the new
Microsoft image format, and Microsoft job tickets (none of which turned 
out
to be relevant to the vast majority of Windows or Vista users) down 
their
throats as opposed to simply providing Vista-compatible drivers. Thus, 
in
many cases, new drivers, especially for non-PostScript printers and 
older
scanners (and similar peripherals) were slow in coming if at all!

(f) Large enterprises are notoriously slow in changing their 
standard
software configurations. Many such enterprises have only begun to no 
longer
automatically load Windows 2000 on their computers, much less Vista. At 
Adobe
we continually have to deal with large customers who are only beginning 
to
migrate their corporate fleets from Acrobat 6.

Note that the popular press likes to ride issues that come up and without
anything else to either drool over or kick, Vista was indeed a convenient 
target.

(3) Last Autumn, I had a nearly four year old IBM ThinkPad R50p (yup, it was
still IBM at that point) blow out that could no 

RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Mike Bradley]

 
 Um ... All of the Office 2007 software (including Project and Visio and
 Groove, etc.) works perfectly fine on my Windows XP system (and on my
 Vista system, of course).

I should have written more clearly. 

It's not that Office 2007 doesn't run on an XP system, it's that it has the
(abominable) Vista GUI, the default XML-whatever output, etc. Avoiding the OS is
only half the battle; you have to avoid Office, as well.



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Open PDF at specified named destination

[Baruch Brodersen]

Klaus,

TimeSavers newlink TMS marker automatically removes prefixes from 
FrameMaker-generated postscript files. Examples:

FrameMaker marker   Resulting destination
newlink MainEntry   M8.newlink.MainEntry
newlink TMS MainEntry   MainEntry

http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF12.html

Baruch Brodersen


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Daube
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:16 PM
To: framers at FrameUsers.com
Subject: Open PDF at specified named destination

Dear all,

I want to open a PDF at a specified named destination (because the location is 
not on 
a fixed page). However the PDF does not open where expected, but on page 1.

Acrobat is 7.0.9
FrameMaker 8.0.2

In FrameMaker at the desired location I enter a Hypertext command
newlink editpad

The Windows command to open the file is
Acrobat.exe /a nameddest=editpad D:\_INFOBASE\infobase.pdf
(I got this information from 
http://partners.adobe.com/public/developer/en/acrobat/PDFOpenParameters.pdf)


The reason, why the file is not opened at the desired location is this:
The named destination in the PDF is not
editpad
but
M8.8.newlink.editpad

Hence the file opens correctly with this command:
Acrobat.exe /a nameddest=M8.8.newlink.editpad D:\_INFOBASE\infobase.pdf

IMHO the M8.8. may be different at the next PDF generation, hence I can not 
just adapt 
the comand to open the file.

What must i do that FrameMaker creates a named destination without that 
automatic 
prefix? 

Thank You for any ideas.http://mymemo.ch und nie mehr einen Gedanken oder 
Termin 
verpassen.

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Text insets

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi Richard,

You asked whether FrameMaker 8 changes the paragraph
format of a paragraph with a text inset although there
is a non-breaking space between the text inset and
the pilcrow of the container paragraph.

I use this setup all the time. It worked in FrameMaker 7.x
and it works equally well in FrameMaker 8.0.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Combs, Richard
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:16 PM
> To: Stephen O'Brien; framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Text insets
> 
> Stephen O'Brien wrote:
>  
> > In the Introduction section of each FM guide I
> > list related documentation - each description in
> > bullet form is a text inset. There may be from 1
> > to 5 related docs. Then there follows a line of
> > text in Body para format. When I update the text
> > insets my double-clicking and pressing Update,
> > that line of text is  formatted as bullet...NOT what I want..
> 
> Well, I had your problem all figured out and a reply composed when I
> realized that it didn't quite fit. I hope your description isn't quite
> accurate, because if it is, a bug I've seen in previous versions of FM
> is even worse in 7.2 (which I recently moved to). 
> 
> A text inset is an object, like a variable or xref, that sits in a
> specific location in the text flow. What people usually refer 
> to as the
> pgf that "follows" the text inset is actually the "container" pgf in
> which it sits. If you have View > Text Symbols on and you 
> click the text
> inset to select it, you'll see that the selection extends past the end
> of the last pgf in the text inset and down into the "following" pgf. 
> 
> Now, the bug that I'm familiar with works like this: If a text inset
> sits at the end of its container pgf (immediately adjacent to the
> pilcrow), that pgf takes on the format of the first pgf in the text
> inset. (It's similar to the bug that causes a pgf format 
> override when a
> char tag runs right up to the pilcrow.) 
> 
> The solution is simple: Separate the text inset and pilcrow. A space
> will do. I use a non-breaking space so that there's a text 
> symbol to see
> on the screen. And that solution has always worked for me. 
> 
> But according to your description, there's already text 
> between the end
> of the text inset and the end of its container pgf, and that container
> pgf is _still_ taking on the format of the first pgf in the 
> text inset.
> Are you sure? That would be an annoying "escalation" of the bad
> behavior. When I get the chance, I'll see if I can duplicate that
> problem. 
> 
> If that's what's happening, I can think of only one easy 
> answer: Always
> use a special pgf format as the text inset container (the "following"
> pgf) -- something small to minimize the extra vertical space -- and
> start every text inset with that same pgf format. 
> 
> HTH!
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
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Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Jun 2008, at 05:47, Dov Isaacs wrote:

> You are getting exactly what you ask for (and deserve? :-) )

Spoken like a true survivor of the Type 1 Resistance :-)

Paul


> The font name is "Arial" but the "PostScript name" inside the font
> (i.e., what displays inside of Acrobat or Reader) of that particular
> font is "ArialMT" where the "MT" is for Monotype, the font foundry
> from which it originates.
>
> Thus, what you are getting out of Distiller is perfectly kosher
> (assuming you really like Arial)!
>
> - Dov
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Lane, Laura K
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:43 AM
>>
>> I'm using FrameMaker 7.2, Acrobat Pro 7.0.9, and XP.  I've been  
>> printing
>> PDF books and individual files from FrameMaker using the Arial  
>> font but
>> when I check the font in the PDF it has been changed to ArialMT.   
>> I have
>> the font locations in the settings for the Distiller program as the
>> following:
>>

Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Shmuel Wolfson]

Speaking on fonts, does anyone have any info on any info on the various 
types of fonts such as TrueType? What are the most common types?

Any info would be appreciated.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson


Paul Findon wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2008, at 05:47, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
>   
>> You are getting exactly what you ask for (and deserve? :-) )
>> 
>
> Spoken like a true survivor of the Type 1 Resistance :-)
>
> Paul
>
>
>   
>> The font name is "Arial" but the "PostScript name" inside the font
>> (i.e., what displays inside of Acrobat or Reader) of that particular
>> font is "ArialMT" where the "MT" is for Monotype, the font foundry
>> from which it originates.
>>
>> Thus, what you are getting out of Distiller is perfectly kosher
>> (assuming you really like Arial)!
>>
>> - Dov
>>
>>
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Lane, Laura K
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:43 AM
>>>
>>> I'm using FrameMaker 7.2, Acrobat Pro 7.0.9, and XP.  I've been  
>>> printing
>>> PDF books and individual files from FrameMaker using the Arial  
>>> font but
>>> when I check the font in the PDF it has been changed to ArialMT.   
>>> I have
>>> the font locations in the settings for the Distiller program as the
>>> following:
>>>
>>>   
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Overrides

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM, William Abernathy  wrote:
--snipped--
>
> Richard's solution is spot-on. For a long time, I deleted any extra spaces I 
> saw
> at the end of a paragraph,
--snipped--
>
> --William
>

Actually, there is one downside to this that I frequently come across,
but this has mainly to do with headings that go into a ToC or the
like. If you leave a space at the end of a heading also this space
will be imported to the ToC too, so that if you have a dotted tab
after the heading it will add space before the tab dotted line.

Also, and this appears mainly in narrow columns, trailing spaces
somtimes affect the line it appears in if the line is just on the
verge of splitting. I can see this by removing the space, then the
whole line rearranges itself on the screen (filling the not so empty
space to the right). I have not tested this thoroughly with printed
samples though.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

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Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Art Campbell]

Most font foundries, including Microsoft, provide details, but this is
a good summary:
http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=328599=1

The short answer is to use OpenType if possible.

Art

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 5:50 AM, Shmuel Wolfson  wrote:
> Speaking on fonts, does anyone have any info on any info on the various
> types of fonts such as TrueType? What are the most common types?
>
> Any info would be appreciated.
>

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Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Fred Ridder]

Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

> Speaking on fonts, does anyone have any info on any info on the various 
> types of fonts such as TrueType? What are the most common types?

You might start with Wikipedia. The topics to start with are:
Computer_font
Type_1_and_Type_3_fonts
TrueType
OpenType-Fred Ridder

Text insets - locked or unlocked

[Stephen O'Brien]

Hi,

In my last e-mail I mentionned that the text 
inset marker was  not showing in my document.

I miffed the file and saw that the marker only 
showed for the last text inset and it had 
TextInsetLocked = ON; for all of the other text 
insets in the document TextInsetLocked was OFF...

I thought that inserted text insets (Reformat 
using current, auto update) were always 
locked...could this be the reason I have problems 
with text insets affecting the format of 
container paragraphs even if the container paragraph has tons of text?

Thanks for any help I can get on this...I have 
been trying to solve this problem for a while...



Stephen O'Brien
R?dacteur technique / Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels inc. / InnovMetric Software Inc.
2014, Cyrille-Duquet, suite 310
Qu?bec (Qu?bec) Canada G1N 4N6

Tel.: (418) 688-2061
Fax: (418) 688-3001
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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Hi All,

My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so it's getting 
time to start the process of identifying the next workhorse for me. (Yes, I am 
rough on a laptop and rely on it very heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop 
successes are more than welcome!) 

I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and I 
really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping with Vista and 
all the exponentially increased hassle factor that will entail. Frankly, I 
don't have time to spend 30 minutes per product just to load the software and 
get it functional by jumping through all the hoops required now. I "get" that 
it's piracy protection, and I "get" the concept and am not trying to circumvent 
any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and purse are being 
taxed because of other people's lack of ethics. 

I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their laptops, and 
they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by Unix/Linux and open source 
development. But, then I get the cold water splashing in the face: the majority 
of my computer use is work related, and the majority of that work is done in 
FrameMaker, and FM seems viable only in PC world. 

Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? If I'm going 
to continue working with clients whose environment, architecture, workflow, and 
staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, am I forced to concede to all the 
baggage that comes with the PC world? Or is there a viable way to use 
FrameMaker on a new Apple laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, 
seamlessly with FM files saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk 
hosing anything in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!

Thanks in advance,


Rene L. Stephenson

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Pat Christenson]

I run FrameMaker on my Mac laptop on a Windows virtual machine using  
Parallels software. It's a little slower than in a straight Windows  
environment but worth it to me because FrameMaker is the only thing I  
need Windows for. I run everything else in the Mac environment and  
share files between the two with no problems.

VMware makes a similar product called Fusion but I haven't used it.

Pat Christenson

On Jun 19, 2008, at 6:51 AM, Rene Stephenson wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so  
> it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next  
> workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very  
> heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than  
> welcome!)
>
> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,  
> and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping  
> with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that  
> will entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per  
> product just to load the software and get it functional by jumping  
> through all the hoops required now. I "get" that it's piracy  
> protection, and I "get" the concept and am not trying to circumvent  
> any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and purse  
> are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.
>
> I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their  
> laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by  
> Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold  
> water splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is  
> work related, and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker,  
> and FM seems viable only in PC world.
>
> Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be?  
> If I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment,  
> architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker,  
> am I forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC  
> world? Or is there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple  
> laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM  
> files saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing  
> anything in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Rene L. Stephenson
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Adobe PDF failures ... backwards from what I had recently.

[Art Campbell]

It would be helpful if somewhere in your email you provided your FM
and Acrobat version levels, and other diag info such as if the files
are local or networked, how much RAM and temporary file space you have
on the system, if there are any unusual configurations in the document
files, etc.

Both this description and your earlier problems sound like old bugs
that have been fixed in patch releases of FM and Acrobat.

Art

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:57 AM,   wrote:
> Hi, all.
>
> Please pardon the long e-mail here!
>
> In the past, with FrameMaker 7.2 and Acrobat Pro 7, on the TAGS menu, I
> had to *uncheck* the "Generate Tagged PDF" to make it work without
> crashing.
>
> Then, with FrameMaker 8 and Acrobat Pro 8, on the TAGS menu, I had to
> *check* the "Generate Tagged PDF" to make it work without crashing. This
> last has been working fine since I upgraded months back.
>
> Today, for some strange reason, I would get a FM crash, with both "Save
> as PDF" and with printing to the Adobe PDF printer. With the same book
> that has been working perfectly for quite a while now the past few
> weeks. An *incomplete* TPS file gets left in the directory - I know it
> is incomplete since the file clearly has missing text at the end.
>
> (The first time, though, I got a very strange PDF file ... in the TOC,
> the numbering was missing in some areas, some TOC lines were truncated,
> etc. It started crashing completely from the second run on!)
>
> So, I tried:
>
>1. Saving each document in the book as MIF and rebuilding each
> .FM file.
>2. Deleting FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting.
>3. Copying the old backup .FM files from a few days ago!
>
> No luck whatsoever! The .TPS files left behind looked incomplete, by the
> way, like they had not finished being written.
>
> So, I tried to PDF individual documents (there were three in the book -
> one long one and two much shorter ones):
>
>1. Two of the documents (the short ones) would generate PDF
> files correctly.
>2. With the third one, FrameMaker would simply crash and "go
> away" - without even the usual menu box telling me that it had saved a
> file for the Adobe folks to look at!
>
> So, I tried the above *uncheck*'ed TAGS menu setting (i.e., went back to
> what I used to use with FrameMaker 7.2 for the heck of it). And, sure
> enough, now everything is working fine again! With no change to the .FM
> documents in the book whatsoever. The crash and failure to generate the
> PDF went away - both with "Save as PDF" and with printing to the Adobe
> PDF printer!
>
> So ... what on earth is this problem? What is "Tagged PDF" and why is it
> so problematic for FrameMaker?
>
> Z
> ___
>


-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Stuart Rogers]

Rene Stephenson wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so
> it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next
> workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very
> heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than
> welcome!)
> 
> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,
> and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping
> with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that
> will entail. 



I don't know how you feel about Dell hardware etc., and I have no 
experience with their laptops myself, but until July 2 you can still 
order the Vostro models with WinXP installed.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

In matters of politics, I never believe anything until it's officially
denied.

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks, Art. You're right, I'm still warped back in time to the concept that 
Vista is the new kid on the block with all the inherent "don't buy it until 
they work the bugs out" cloud.

My main client has UNIX/Linux servers, and I'll be setting up a server at home 
whenever the basement finish-out project is, well, finished. Whether I set that 
up as a Linux server or a Microsoft server is yet undecided, but I'm leaning 
toward Linux for cost and resource/overhead reasons. Regardless of the laptop 
OS, I'll still be using mostly PC desktops in our home network (currently 5 
PCs), so I was thinking Linux would be the more flexible server setup.

Seems like I have heard of FM for UNIX, but it seems a blue moon. Is that like 
the FM for Mac, also got end-life'd? If so, the idea of a Linux laptop would 
probably carry the same liabilities as a Mac laptop? 

Either way, does anyone have experience sharing currently active FM files 
between users who run FM in different operating systems?

I don't know why I had the impression that Macs are faster systems than PCs? Is 
that just some grassroots advertising campaign? The attractive thing to me 
about Macs is the graphics capabilities and the fact that I have kids in school 
who could benefit from it when I trade up again (which I typically do every 
couple of years at a minimum, to keep on the higher end of available 
performance). I don't really get into the music side of electronics at all.

I had not heard Dell had a next-day replacement. That is good to know. Of 
course, it usually takes about 2 weeks for me to get all the programs loaded up 
and user settings tweaked out anyway, and I wouldn't be able to just image a 
hard drive over if I have to move to Vista. For that matter, I have seen too 
many issues with Adobe products in general for me to use the old standby of 
keeping a recent drive image as a backup in case of catastrophic failure. Shame 
- that certainly was the fastest way to recover. Surely there's a faster way to 
config and tweak out FM... I guess I can just copy the maker.ini and fminit and 
plugins directories to a customization CD?


Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Art Campbell 

Rene,

You're sort of ignoring the fact that Vista is past the first ship
early adopter milepost. It's a relatively known quantity, and the
amount of twiddling ...

Last I heard, Mac's market share has crept up to about 3% of business
systems... so while you may be able to make it a viable solution, you're
going to spend more time twiddling a dual boot or emulation
environment to run Windows. And pay more for the processing power, but
it may be worth it to you.

So if you're looking recommendations for a Windows laptop, I'd go with
an upper level Dell with next-day replacement...
look at the ruggedized models put out by Panasonic, Dell, and some
other vendors, although I don't have any personal experience with
those models.

Art

Framemaker platform support

[Art Campbell]

And no version of Frame is 64-bit OS aware, either under XP or Vista,
so it would be running limited mode if you opt for Vista 64.

Art

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:20 PM, Rick Quatro  
wrote:
> Hi Leo,
>
> I am running FrameMaker 7.2 on 32-bit Vista without problems.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
>
> Hello,
> We're considering upgrading Framemaker and our computers. I have a couple of
> questions that I hope someone can help me out with.
>
> Is Framemaker 8 supported on Windows Vista 64-bit computers? If not, does it
> run on Vista 64-bit computers? Based on what I'm seeing in the Adobe KB, I
> think not.
> http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb403291=1
>
> I understand that Framemaker 7.2 is not supported on Vista. However, is
> anyone successfully running it? If so, are you running it on a 32-bit Vista
> or a 64-bit Vista?
>
> Thanks,
> Leo Paoletti
>
> Ps: Is the http://www.frameusers.com/ website still in operation. I received
> an error when I went there today.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___
>
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 DoD 358

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Peter Gold]

Hi, Rene:

Windows XP official support is supposed to end soon.

Windows XP won't be shipped with Intel Macs after the end of June, I
believe. I think the same applies to PCs.

So, Vista is not just a preference, it's a deadline.

There's no compelling reason to avoid an XP-based machine. By this
time in its life, there are few bus remaining to be fixed. A good
virus-protection application should protect your system, so the
discontinuing of MS Security updates shouldn't have an effect on
working.

If the only problems on your current laptop are lack of resources, or
messed-upness from long use installing/uninstalling/updating, etc, you
could consider a new hard drive, more RAM, and deactivating the
necessary applications, then reinstalling XP on the new drive,
copying, reinstalling, activating. If the machine's resources are
maxed out, then a new PC or MacTel with XP while it's still available
is a logical choice.

HTH
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:51 AM, Rene Stephenson  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so it's 
> getting time to start the process of identifying the next workhorse for me. 
> (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very heavily. Any testimonials of 
> your laptop successes are more than welcome!)
>
> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and I 
> really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping with Vista and 
> all the exponentially increased hassle factor that will entail. Frankly, I 
> don't have time to spend 30 minutes per product just to load the software and 
> get it functional by jumping through all the hoops required now. I "get" that 
> it's piracy protection, and I "get" the concept and am not trying to 
> circumvent any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and 
> purse are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.
>
> I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their laptops, and 
> they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by Unix/Linux and open 
> source development. But, then I get the cold water splashing in the face: the 
> majority of my computer use is work related, and the majority of that work is 
> done in FrameMaker, and FM seems viable only in PC world.
>
> Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? If I'm 
> going to continue working with clients whose environment, architecture, 
> workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, am I forced to concede 
> to all the baggage that comes with the PC world? Or is there a viable way to 
> use FrameMaker on a new Apple laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, 
> seamlessly with FM files saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk 
> hosing anything in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Rene L. Stephenson
> ___

newbie goof

[Kelly McDaniel]

I made a newbie mistake this morning. I needed to change text that had
formatting from a deleted character tag. The old tag was "Code." The new
tag is "Code text." I opened the replace dialog and configured it. As
soon as I hit the button, I knew what happened. I had created a loop
that performed almost 2 million changes before I could get to the escape
key.

X-refs display in color, print to B

[Art Campbell]

How are the cross-references set up to show/display color? With a
character format or something else?

In the Frame print dialog box, is the Print Spot Colors as Black/White
activated?

Art

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 9:19 AM, Eva Whitley  wrote:
> I'm trying to fix a document created by another user that has a problem
> that's making me crazy.
>
> On screen: figures show in full color, cross references show as blue,
> underlined.
>
> Converted to PDF, displayed on screen: ditto.
>
> Printed: figures print in full color, cross references print to black
> and white.
>
> Printed another document: cross references print in color.
>
> Printed on another color printer: cross references still only print in B
>
> I tried researching the answer but I must not be using the right terms.
>
> Can anyone seen this problem before? We are using Version 7.1p114
> running in Windows XP 2002, SP2. Thanks in advance for any help you can
> give me.
>
> --
> Eva Whitley, ETOSS Contract
> 301-713-1833x191
> SSMC-2, 16129
>
> ___
>
>

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Kelly McDaniel]

> I don't know why I had the impression that Macs are faster systems
than PCs? 

That impression may have come from an article in PC World...Kelly.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136649-page,3-c,notebooks/article.html

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rene
> Stephenson
> Sent: 2008-06-19 10:30
> To: Art Campbell
> Cc: FrameUsers List
> Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions
> 
> Thanks, Art. You're right, I'm still warped back in time to the
concept that Vista is the new kid on the block with all the
> inherent "don't buy it until they work the bugs out" cloud.
> 
> My main client has UNIX/Linux servers, and I'll be setting up a server
at home whenever the basement finish-out project is,
> well, finished. Whether I set that up as a Linux server or a Microsoft
server is yet undecided, but I'm leaning toward Linux for
> cost and resource/overhead reasons. Regardless of the laptop OS, I'll
still be using mostly PC desktops in our home network
> (currently 5 PCs), so I was thinking Linux would be the more flexible
server setup.
> 
> Seems like I have heard of FM for UNIX, but it seems a blue moon. Is
that like the FM for Mac, also got end-life'd? If so, the
> idea of a Linux laptop would probably carry the same liabilities as a
Mac laptop?
> 
> Either way, does anyone have experience sharing currently active FM
files between users who run FM in different operating
> systems?
> 
> I don't know why I had the impression that Macs are faster systems
than PCs? Is that just some grassroots advertising
> campaign? The attractive thing to me about Macs is the graphics
capabilities and the fact that I have kids in school who could
> benefit from it when I trade up again (which I typically do every
couple of years at a minimum, to keep on the higher end of
> available performance). I don't really get into the music side of
electronics at all.
> 
> I had not heard Dell had a next-day replacement. That is good to know.
Of course, it usually takes about 2 weeks for me to
> get all the programs loaded up and user settings tweaked out anyway,
and I wouldn't be able to just image a hard drive over
> if I have to move to Vista. For that matter, I have seen too many
issues with Adobe products in general for me to use the old
> standby of keeping a recent drive image as a backup in case of
catastrophic failure. Shame - that certainly was the fastest way
> to recover. Surely there's a faster way to config and tweak out FM...
I guess I can just copy the maker.ini and fminit and
> plugins directories to a customization CD?
> 
> 
> Rene L. Stephenson
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message 
> From: Art Campbell 
> 
> Rene,
> 
> You're sort of ignoring the fact that Vista is past the first ship
> early adopter milepost. It's a relatively known quantity, and the
> amount of twiddling ...
> 
> Last I heard, Mac's market share has crept up to about 3% of business
> systems... so while you may be able to make it a viable solution,
you're
> going to spend more time twiddling a dual boot or emulation
> environment to run Windows. And pay more for the processing power, but
> it may be worth it to you.
> 
> So if you're looking recommendations for a Windows laptop, I'd go with
> an upper level Dell with next-day replacement...
> look at the ruggedized models put out by Panasonic, Dell, and some
> other vendors, although I don't have any personal experience with
> those models.
> 
> Art
> ___
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Win XP support (was RE: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions)

[Combs, Richard]

Peter Gold wrote:

> Windows XP official support is supposed to end soon.
> 
> Windows XP won't be shipped with Intel Macs after the end of June, I
> believe. I think the same applies to PCs.
> 
> So, Vista is not just a preference, it's a deadline.
> 
> There's no compelling reason to avoid an XP-based machine. By this
> time in its life, there are few bus remaining to be fixed. A good
> virus-protection application should protect your system, so the
> discontinuing of MS Security updates shouldn't have an effect on
> working.

Correction: _Sales_ of XP are ending, not _support_. The Extended
Support phase of the Win XP lifecycle is currently scheduled to continue
until April 2014 (see http://tinyurl.com/56ma9o). 

Extendend Support includes paid support, security update support, KB and
Support site support, and availability of extended hotfix agreements. So
your XP installation will get security updates for another six years
(and that could be extended further as the deadline approaches; IIRC,
they extended security support for Win 98). 

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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303-777-0436
--

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks, Peter. I was one of the daring few who jumped into the first version of 
the then newly available laptop dual core Intel chipset. Unfortunately, that 
chipset was discontinued after 6 weeks' production due to lack of support for 
power save features. If I had been more cunning, I would have negotiated a 
restock at the time. This idiosyncrasy has been the bane of my laptop 
usage...well, that and the fact that the battery doesn't last more than an hour 
or so. The video card is dedicated, but it also generates a TON of heat, and 
there have been a host of problems cropping up with that heat at the root of 
the issue. Plus, it doesn't help that it has been dropped and slung onto the 
floorboard due to sudden stops in traffic a few times.  :-\  So, I think I'd 
have to rebuild from the motherboard and graphics card all the way up.

I am heavily reliant on 10-key, so I'm afraid that forces me into looking at 
laptops with 17" screens...but I just hate having that size...almost a 
luggable, really.

I'm hearing Parallels and other solutions for Mac are the workaround for FM 
dependency; and SPARC+Solaris is the non-PC environment for FM. I would be fine 
without the Windows security updates. I keep auto-update disabled anyway and 
let my IT guru selectively install the ones that are truly needed and proven 
not to be a Pandora's box. (Color me paranoid, but I once lost too much time 
with a Windows update that interfered with stuff right before a deadline.)


Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: Peter Gold 

Hi, Rene:

...
If the only problems on your current laptop are lack of resources, or
messed-upness from long use installing/uninstalling/updating, etc, you
could consider a new hard drive, more RAM, and deactivating the
necessary applications, then reinstalling XP on the new drive,
copying, reinstalling, activating. If the machine's resources are
maxed out, then a new PC or MacTel with XP while it's still available
is a logical choice.
...

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Art Campbell]

If you use a 10-key a lot, why not use an external so you can go with
a smaller laptop?
Looks as if there are lots of options, including some that include a mouse...

Such as:
http://www.provantage.com/scripts/search.dll?QUERY=USB+numeric+keypad=0=0

Art

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:06 PM, Rene Stephenson  wrote:
> Thanks, Peter. I was one of the daring few who jumped into the first version 
> of the then newly available laptop dual core Intel chipset. Unfortunately, 
> that chipset was discontinued after 6 weeks' production due to lack of 
> support for power save features. If I had been more cunning, I would have 
> negotiated a restock at the time. This idiosyncrasy has been the bane of my 
> laptop usage...well, that and the fact that the battery doesn't last more 
> than an hour or so. The video card is dedicated, but it also generates a TON 
> of heat, and there have been a host of problems cropping up with that heat at 
> the root of the issue. Plus, it doesn't help that it has been dropped and 
> slung onto the floorboard due to sudden stops in traffic a few times.  :-\  
> So, I think I'd have to rebuild from the motherboard and graphics card all 
> the way up.
>
> I am heavily reliant on 10-key, so I'm afraid that forces me into looking at 
> laptops with 17" screens...but I just hate having that size...almost a 
> luggable, really.
>
> I'm hearing Parallels and other solutions for Mac are the workaround for FM 
> dependency; and SPARC+Solaris is the non-PC environment for FM. I would be 
> fine without the Windows security updates. I keep auto-update disabled anyway 
> and let my IT guru selectively install the ones that are truly needed and 
> proven not to be a Pandora's box. (Color me paranoid, but I once lost too 
> much time with a Windows update that interfered with stuff right before a 
> deadline.)
>
>
> Rene L. Stephenson
>
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Peter Gold 
>
> Hi, Rene:
>
> ...
> If the only problems on your current laptop are lack of resources, or
> messed-upness from long use installing/uninstalling/updating, etc, you
> could consider a new hard drive, more RAM, and deactivating the
> necessary applications, then reinstalling XP on the new drive,
> copying, reinstalling, activating. If the machine's resources are
> maxed out, then a new PC or MacTel with XP while it's still available
> is a logical choice.
> ...
> ___

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Rene,

I've seen people use FrameMaker on Mac, using Parallels (
http://www.parallels.com). But: seeing is not immediately believing for me,
so I'd advise you to borrow a Mac from one of your friends, install
Parallels, Windows and FrameMaker and all the other plug-ins, bells and
whistles and do some thorough hands-on testing first (if possible).

Good luck.

-- 
Yves Barbion ? Managing Director Scripto ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker
Instructor
www.scripto.nu ? skype: yves.barbion ? T: +32 494 12 01 89


On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Rene Stephenson  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so it's
> getting time to start the process of identifying the next workhorse for me.
> (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very heavily. Any testimonials
> of your laptop successes are more than welcome!)
>
> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and I
> really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping with Vista and
> all the exponentially increased hassle factor that will entail. Frankly, I
> don't have time to spend 30 minutes per product just to load the software
> and get it functional by jumping through all the hoops required now. I "get"
> that it's piracy protection, and I "get" the concept and am not trying to
> circumvent any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and
> purse are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.
>
> I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their laptops,
> and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by Unix/Linux and open
> source development. But, then I get the cold water splashing in the face:
> the majority of my computer use is work related, and the majority of that
> work is done in FrameMaker, and FM seems viable only in PC world.
>
> Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? If I'm
> going to continue working with clients whose environment, architecture,
> workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, am I forced to concede
> to all the baggage that comes with the PC world? Or is there a viable way to
> use FrameMaker on a new Apple laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop,
> seamlessly with FM files saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk
> hosing anything in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Rene L. Stephenson
> ___
>
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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Jun 2008, at 16:37, Peter Gold wrote:

> Windows XP won't be shipped with Intel Macs after the end of June, I
> believe.

I guess you mean Dell PCs?

Paul

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sam Beard]

Rene,

   If you're interested in a Mac running VMWare's Fusion, Parallel's
Desktop, or any other emulation/virtualization software, Macworld
Magazine did a comparison of these programs within the past three or
four months. You might still find it available on their Web site. 

   I also agree with Art on the 10-key peripheral. They're fairly cheap
and MUCH easier/cheaper to replace than a new keyboard or computer! If
it's something that would fit into your work method/style, it just might
help you out quite a bit.

   Apple is making a push for more of the business market, and has been
for quite a few years since they introduced their own rack-mounted
server. Recently, with the increased sales/market share of Macs, Apple
is also pushing their computers more towards the business market, too.
With the help of virtualization software and Apple's own Boot Camp
software, there's little that a Mac can't do these days. PC Magazine has
for quite a few years now considered a Mac laptop one of the best, and
PC World and Consumer Reports usually agrees with them, for what that
might be worth. 

Good luck with your decision and purchase, whatever it might be!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Stephenson
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 8:52 AM
To: FrameUsers List
Subject: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Hi All,

My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so it's
getting time to start the process of identifying the next workhorse for
me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very heavily. Any
testimonials of your laptop successes are more than welcome!) 

I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, and
I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping with
Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that will
entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per product just
to load the software and get it functional by jumping through all the
hoops required now. I "get" that it's piracy protection, and I "get" the
concept and am not trying to circumvent any copyright laws, but it
really just feels like my time and purse are being taxed because of
other people's lack of ethics. 

I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their
laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by
Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold water
splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is work related,
and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker, and FM seems viable
only in PC world. 

Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? If
I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment,
architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, am I
forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC world? Or is
there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple
laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM files
saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing anything in
these single-sourced shared-file environments...!

Thanks in advance,


Rene L. Stephenson

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Cool! Definitely a viable solution. THANKS


Rene L. Stephenson

- Original Message 
From: Art Campbell 

If you use a 10-key a lot, why not use an external so you can go with
a smaller laptop?
Looks as if there are lots of options, including some that include a mouse...

Such as:
http://www.provantage.com/scripts/search.dll?QUERY=USB+numeric+keypad=0=0

Art

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Sarah O'Keefe]

Rene Stephenson wrote:
> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,
> and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping
> with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that
> will entail.

I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to 
chucking it and getting a Mac.

It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP, 
great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go 
with b, speaking from personal experience.



Sarah

-- 

Sarah O'Keefe   Scriptorium Publishing Services, Inc.
Blog: http://www.scriptorium.com/palimpsest

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[Dennis Brunnenmeyer]

Rene

Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based 
laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows XP. 
In some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With brand 
new hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find 
XP-suitable drivers. Your best best (in the Windows arena) is to get 
one originally designed for XP, assuming of course that you choose to 
avoid VISTA.

At one point earlier this Spring, Microsoft was considering extending 
their cutoff date for XP beyond June 30th because of the uproar from 
the business community. I guess that must not have happened, but 
before you sink money into a VISTA-only machine, I'd double-check the 
validity of that rumor.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
***
At 06:51 AM 6/19/2008, Rene Stephenson wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so 
>it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next 
>workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very 
>heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than welcome!)
>
>I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out, 
>and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping 
>with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that 
>will entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per 
>product just to load the software and get it functional by jumping 
>through all the hoops required now. I "get" that it's piracy 
>protection, and I "get" the concept and am not trying to circumvent 
>any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and purse 
>are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.
>
>I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their 
>laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by 
>Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold 
>water splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is work 
>related, and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker, and FM 
>seems viable only in PC world.
>
>Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be? 
>If I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment, 
>architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker, 
>am I forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC 
>world? Or is there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple 
>laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM files 
>saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing anything 
>in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>
>Rene L. Stephenson
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[Kelly McDaniel]

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/04/16/ibm-considering-macs-for-employees/

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks for your candid insight, Sarah. Are any bits of your litany addressed 
with Vista SP1?


Rene L. Stephenson

- Original Message 
From: Sarah O'Keefe 

It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP, 
great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go 
with b, speaking from personal experience.



Sarah

Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

My response had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH Type 1 versus TrueType.
It had to do with "taste" in fonts and was meant as a joke.

Arial has strong similarities to Helvetica (although it really can't
be called a "knock-off" due to many differences in style, although the
Arial shipped these days has "set widths" that closely match those of
the Helvetica base fonts in PostScript printers) - very bland san serif
font that may be great for road signage, but ...

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Paul Findon
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:33 AM
>
> On 19 Jun 2008, at 05:47, Dov Isaacs wrote:
>
> > You are getting exactly what you ask for (and deserve? :-) )
>
> Spoken like a true survivor of the Type 1 Resistance :-)
>
> Paul
>
>
> > The font name is "Arial" but the "PostScript name" inside the font
> > (i.e., what displays inside of Acrobat or Reader) of that particular
> > font is "ArialMT" where the "MT" is for Monotype, the font foundry
> > from which it originates.
> >
> > Thus, what you are getting out of Distiller is perfectly kosher
> > (assuming you really like Arial)!
> >
> > - Dov

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[Peter Gold]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Sarah O'Keefe  
wrote:
> Rene Stephenson wrote:
>> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,
>> and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping
>> with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that
>> will entail.
>
> I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to
> chucking it and getting a Mac.
>
> It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP,
> great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go
> with b, speaking from personal experience.

FrameMaker for Mac stopped at 7.0, which leaves the issue of buying a
MacTel with Windows XP before the deadline at the end of June.

>
> 
>
> Sarah
>

Regards,

Peter
__
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KnowHow ProServices

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[Sam Beard]

Peter,

   Just to clarify, you CAN'T buy a Mac with Windows XP. At least, not
directly configured that way from Apple. A third-party store might be
selling one with some virtualization software to go along with XP.
Although, with Boot Camp, I suppose there COULD be a store selling one
with Windows pre-installed and NO virtualization software included.
Still, Apple doesn't promote this as something available at their stores
or via the Web, AFAIK.

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:13 PM
To: Sarah O'Keefe
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Sarah O'Keefe 
wrote:
> Rene Stephenson wrote:
>> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,
>> and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping
>> with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that
>> will entail.
>
> I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to
> chucking it and getting a Mac.
>
> It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP,
> great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go
> with b, speaking from personal experience.

FrameMaker for Mac stopped at 7.0, which leaves the issue of buying a
MacTel with Windows XP before the deadline at the end of June.

>
> 
>
> Sarah
>

Regards,

Peter
__

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[Milan Davidovic]

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Dennis Brunnenmeyer
 wrote:
> At one point earlier this Spring, Microsoft was considering extending
> their cutoff date for XP beyond June 30th because of the uproar from
> the business community. I guess that must not have happened, but
> before you sink money into a VISTA-only machine, I'd double-check the
> validity of that rumor.

Here's some information that may be of interest:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_xp#Support_lifecycle

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com

Arial being changed to ArialMT in PDF

[Dov Isaacs]

Shmuel,

One can write a book about this topic!   :-)

Today's significant font formats for Windows and Macintosh include:

Type 1 fonts - Bezier curve-based fonts originally used in Adobe PostScript
printers. The "host computer" versions of these fonts may be in Mac
format (in which case the font data is in the resource fork and the
font metrics such as kerning data is stored in a separate "screen font"
file) or Windows format (in which case the font data is stored in a
.PFB file and the font metrics including set widths and kerning data
is stored in a .PFM file).

TrueType fonts - Quadratic curve-based fonts released by Apple and
subsequently by Microsoft from Apple's "Project Royal" that was based
on work done at Imagen Corporation in the mid-1990s in an effort to gang
up on Adobe which ironically led to Adobe opening up and publically
publishing the specifications for Type 1 fonts in 1990. There are several
flavours of these fonts for the "host computer." Windows TrueType font
format may also be used on MacOS X systems. Macintosh TrueType fonts
are stored in the font file's resource fork in a slightly different
format. Macintosh .dfonts are Macintosh TrueType fonts stored in the
font file's data fork but still not the same as Windows TrueType format.
In PostScript, EPS, and PDF files, TrueType is represented via "Type 42"
fonts - native TrueType within PostScript/PDF. Note that contrary to
popular myth (1) there is absolutely nothing wrong with well-constructed
TrueType fonts compared to Type 1 fonts and (2) in PostScript printers
and Adobe applications (including Acrobat), TrueType fonts are NOT
internally converted to Type 1 fonts!

OpenType fonts - A cross-platform marriage of TrueType fonts that come
in two flavours. OpenType CFF fonts are Type 1 fonts (Bezier curve cased)
in what looks like a very extended TrueType wrapper. OpenType TrueType
fonts are TrueType fonts in a very extended TrueType container. Both
flavours are natively supported by MacOS X and Windows 2000 (and above)
as well as Adobe applications. What especially distinguishes OpenType from
earlier Type 1 and TrueType fonts other than the ability to use the same
font files on either Windows or Macintosh is the ability to define a very
large character set in the font (up to 64K distinct glyphs) to support
Unicode as well as a tremendous amount of intelligence related to compound
characters, kerning, alternate characters (such as slashed zeros and
swashes), small caps, lower case numerals, subscripts, superscripts, etc.
Tables for these features are in the font itself such that layout programs
such as InDesign can readily support stylistic features in a very
generalized fashion. Within PostScript, EPS, and PDF files, OpenType fonts
are embedded as either Type 1 or Type 42 fonts depending upon the "type"
of the OpenType font. In PDF 1.6 and above, full native OpenType fonts may
be directly embedded in PDF files although in practice this is not commonly
done (at least yet)!

- Dov

> -Original Message-
> From: Shmuel Wolfson
> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:50 AM
>
> Speaking on fonts, does anyone have any info on any info on the various
> types of fonts such as TrueType? What are the most common types?
>
> Any info would be appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[mbrad...@techpubs.com]

> I don't know how you feel about Dell hardware etc., and I have no 
> experience with their laptops myself, but until July 2 you can still 
> order the Vostro models with WinXP installed.

If you do this, be sure to order Office 2003, as well. I bought an XP
machine from Dell late last year but, not thinking clearly, I mistakenly
allowed them to send me Office 2007. That's Vista apps.

= Mike Bradley
  www.techpubs.com

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[Peter Gold]

Thanks for clarifying this, Sam. I was thinking of non-Apple Mac
resellers who pre-install Windows for their customers, or sell a
virtual product and a Windows version with their MacTels. The Mad
resellers are barred from selling XP just as the PC resellers are.


On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Sam Beard  wrote:
> Peter,
>
>   Just to clarify, you CAN'T buy a Mac with Windows XP. At least, not
> directly configured that way from Apple. A third-party store might be
> selling one with some virtualization software to go along with XP.
> Although, with Boot Camp, I suppose there COULD be a store selling one
> with Windows pre-installed and NO virtualization software included.
> Still, Apple doesn't promote this as something available at their stores
> or via the Web, AFAIK.

Regards,

Peter
__
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KnowHow ProServices

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[McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant)]

 One other possible (untested) solution: Has anyone tried running FM
under OpenSolaris? Conceivably that would work on an Intel/AMD box, and
could also work virtualized under Linux or MacOS.

FM 7.x apparently works reasonably well in Crossover Linux, the
commercial development of Wine:
http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/search?name=FrameMaker=
=_start[1]=1_start[2]=1_start[0]=2000_start[3]
=0_start[4]=00_end[1]=6_end[2]=20_end[0]=2008_e
nd[3]=13_end[4]=18=app

Mike McCallister

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rene
Stephenson
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:06 AM
To: peter at knowhowpro.com
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

I'm hearing Parallels and other solutions for Mac are the workaround for
FM dependency; and SPARC+Solaris is the non-PC environment for FM. I
would be fine without the Windows security updates. I keep auto-update
disabled anyway and let my IT guru selectively install the ones that are
truly needed and proven not to be a Pandora's box. (Color me paranoid,
but I once lost too much time with a Windows update that interfered with
stuff right before a deadline.)

off topic: Watermark in Word

[Deirdre Reagan]

Hey all:

Off topic, but we are printing a word document and have a watermark
(EXAMPLE) behind jpgs in the Appendix.  The word EXAMPLE is printing
with letters missing.  I've printed the document out before without
this problem.  It seems to have developed in the past week.

Anyone experience something similar?

Deirdre

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

If you are using FM in conjunction with a CMS such as Content@, be especially 
careful before switching to Vista. Make certain that you speak with your CMS 
Tech Support and NOT a sales rep.



Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on running a dual-boot machine with 
Vista and XP?



What "New Coke" did for Pepsi sales in the 80s and what the Chevy Vega did for 
Japanese auto sales in the 70s Vista may now be doing for Mac sales. That goes 
double for Office 2007.   ?8^@

I was forced to switch to a Vista machine because my old laptop lost an 
argument with-as fate would have it- a Coca Cola Product. I tried everything 
but an exorcist to resurrect my ?faithful ol' lappie?-believe me- but to no 
avail. Now, I?m considering time travel. 



If you have an  XP machine, savor it like the last of the summer wine. 



DJ Butler

songshepherd at mindspring.com







-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Sarah O'Keefe
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 12:57 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions



Rene Stephenson wrote:

> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,

> and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping

> with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that

> will entail.



I purchased a laptop with Vista last October. I am THIS CLOSE to 

chucking it and getting a Mac.



It's probably worth switching just to avoid Vista. If you can get XP, 

great, but if your choices are a) Vista or b) Mac, I'd definitely go 

with b, speaking from personal experience.







Sarah



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off topic: Watermark in Word

[Owen, Clint]

Deirdre,

I can think of two things: 1. Some kind of bizarre spell check or auto
replace accident, or 2. A memory or file corruption issue that is
causing the characters to drop out during printing. 

I print all kinds of documents regularly with no problem, but I have one
269 page PDF that drops most of the characters from the headings,
headers, and footers from some pages but not others. If I print the
offending pages one at a time they print fine! I can also fix it by
using the "reduce file size" feature in Acrobat and saving back to an
earlier version of PDF.

HTH,

Clint


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Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 11:50 AM
To: Framer's List
Subject: off topic: Watermark in Word

Hey all:

Off topic, but we are printing a word document and have a watermark
(EXAMPLE) behind jpgs in the Appendix.  The word EXAMPLE is printing
with letters missing.  I've printed the document out before without this
problem.  It seems to have developed in the past week.

Anyone experience something similar?

Deirdre
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Adobe PDF failures ... backwards from what I had recently.

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

> It would be helpful if somewhere in your email you provided your FM
> and Acrobat version levels, and other diag info such as if the files
> are local or networked, how much RAM and temporary file space you have
> on the system, if there are any unusual configurations in the document
> files, etc.

Oops, you are right, I should definitely have been more informative!
Here we go ... (did I miss anything?)

1. All FrameMaker and Acrobat patches are always in place - was true of
the 7.2 versions as well - since I make sure to check for them
regularly.

2. So, I am currently running: Acrobat Professional 8.1.2 and FrameMaker
8.0p277 - I just checked again using the Adobe Updater from within both
programs (for the heck of it) and there is nothing new available either.

3. My system is a Dell Latitude D820 laptop, 2.2GHz Dual Core Intel
processor, 2GB of RAM and a single 80GB disk - I currently have about
30GB of disk space free.

4. I am running Windows XP SP2 ... latest Windows patches (no new
updates available according to the Microsoft updater).

5. All files (program and documents, etc.) are local on my disk. No
networked files. Since this is a laptop that I take back and forth from
work to home to work on, I do not like to rely on systems or files that
are not present at both locations!

6. No unusual configuration that I can see: Just a directory with the
book and three document .fm files. All in the same directory. No
embedded graphics. No references to other documents or text insets. Lots
of user variables  perhaps (about 400 of them) and many internal
hyperlinks from one section of the document to another section(but not
to another document). Entire book is now about 216 pages long ... first
file is about 6 pages, second is about 12 pages and the third (the one
that crashed FM on its own) accounts for the rest of the pages.

S-o-o-o-o ... my questions again: What on earth is the cause of this
problem described below? What is "Tagged PDF" and why is it so
problematic for FrameMaker - either/both 7.2 and 8.0?

> Both this description and your earlier problems sound like old bugs
> that have been fixed in patch releases of FM and Acrobat.

Hmmm ... does not look like they have fixed it in the latest set anyway.

Z

> -Original Message-
> It would be helpful if somewhere in your email you provided your FM
> and Acrobat version levels, and other diag info such as if the files
> are local or networked, how much RAM and temporary file space you have
> on the system, if there are any unusual configurations in the document
> files, etc.
> 
> Both this description and your earlier problems sound like old bugs
> that have been fixed in patch releases of FM and Acrobat.
> 
> Art
> 
> On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 1:57 AM,   wrote:
> > Hi, all.
> >
> > Please pardon the long e-mail here!
> >
> > In the past, with FrameMaker 7.2 and Acrobat Pro 7, on the TAGS
menu, I
> > had to *uncheck* the "Generate Tagged PDF" to make it work without
> > crashing.
> >
> > Then, with FrameMaker 8 and Acrobat Pro 8, on the TAGS menu, I had
to
> > *check* the "Generate Tagged PDF" to make it work without crashing.
This
> > last has been working fine since I upgraded months back.
> >
> > Today, for some strange reason, I would get a FM crash, with both
"Save
> > as PDF" and with printing to the Adobe PDF printer. With the same
book
> > that has been working perfectly for quite a while now the past few
> > weeks. An *incomplete* TPS file gets left in the directory - I know
it
> > is incomplete since the file clearly has missing text at the end.
> >
> > (The first time, though, I got a very strange PDF file ... in the
TOC,
> > the numbering was missing in some areas, some TOC lines were
truncated,
> > etc. It started crashing completely from the second run on!)
> >
> > So, I tried:
> >
> >1. Saving each document in the book as MIF and rebuilding
each
> > .FM file.
> >2. Deleting FNTCACHE.DAT and rebooting.
> >3. Copying the old backup .FM files from a few days ago!
> >
> > No luck whatsoever! The .TPS files left behind looked incomplete, by
the
> > way, like they had not finished being written.
> >
> > So, I tried to PDF individual documents (there were three in the
book -
> > one long one and two much shorter ones):
> >
> >1. Two of the documents (the short ones) would generate PDF
> > files correctly.
> >2. With the third one, FrameMaker would simply crash and "go
> > away" - without even the usual menu box telling me that it had saved
a
> > file for the Adobe folks to look at!
> >
> > So, I tried the above *uncheck*'ed TAGS menu setting (i.e., went
back to
> > what I used to use with FrameMaker 7.2 for the heck of it). And,
sure
> > enough, now everything is working fine again! With no change to the
.FM
> > documents in the book whatsoever. The crash and failure to generate
the
> > PDF went away - both with "Save as PDF" and with printing to the
Adobe
> > PDF printer!
> >
> > So 

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[Rene Stephenson]

Thanks for the CMS reminder, DJ, as well as the giggles. :o)  

I think the Wikipedia article Milan posted indicates  XP SP2 support through 
July 2010, even though new licenses aren't supposed to be available after June 
2008. Maybe over the next two years a better option will emerge from the fog.

Dual boot is an interesting idea, but it's my impression that  Vista matches 
hard drive serial number with OS serial number and snoops everything on the 
hard drive, which means I'd be surprised if that worked...and I'm also 
scratching my head about what the cost/benefit  in time/productivity would be. 
I'm sure I'm missing something...maybe it's in the bottom of my espresso cup.


Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: "Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC" 

Make certain that you speak with your CMS Tech Support and NOT a sales rep.

Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on running a dual-boot machine with 
Vista and XP?

If you have an  XP machine, savor it like the last of the summer wine. 


DJ Butler

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[Sam Beard]

Peter,

   I figured you probably knew this, and that (upon second-guessing
myself) what you meant was through a third-party seller. But I thought
I'd make sure it was understood by all involved, just in case.

Have a great day and weekend!

Samuel I. Beard, Jr.
Technical Writer
OI Analytical
979 690-1711 Ext. 222
sbeard at oico.com


-Original Message-
From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of
Peter Gold
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Sam Beard
Cc: Sarah O'Keefe; framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Thanks for clarifying this, Sam. I was thinking of non-Apple Mac
resellers who pre-install Windows for their customers, or sell a
virtual product and a Windows version with their MacTels. The Mad
resellers are barred from selling XP just as the PC resellers are.


On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Sam Beard  wrote:
> Peter,
>
>   Just to clarify, you CAN'T buy a Mac with Windows XP. At least, not
> directly configured that way from Apple. A third-party store might be
> selling one with some virtualization software to go along with XP.
> Although, with Boot Camp, I suppose there COULD be a store selling one
> with Windows pre-installed and NO virtualization software included.
> Still, Apple doesn't promote this as something available at their
stores
> or via the Web, AFAIK.

Regards,

Peter
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Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

I sort of stubbed my toe on another issue that's going to affect this: I have 
to be able to synch my calendar, contacts, and tasks to a PDA/SmartPhone. I'm 
beginning to think the only choice remaining is wait and pay more total for a 
MacBook and next generation of iPhone; or jump right away to get an XP laptop 
so that I can use Outlook with both the mobile device and laptop.

So, maybe FM is only one part of the consideration. I'm just too PC-dependent.  
:o)


Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: "McCallister, Michael (GE Healthcare, consultant)" 


One other possible (untested) solution: Has anyone tried running FM
under OpenSolaris? Conceivably that would work on an Intel/AMD box, and
could also work virtualized under Linux or MacOS.

FM 7.x apparently works reasonably well in Crossover Linux, the
commercial development of Wine:

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Paul Findon]

Hi Rene,

If Adobe had done the right thing by its customers and given us  
FrameMaker for Mac OS X, we wouldn't be having this conversation, but...

I know several people who run Windows FrameMaker on their Intel Macs  
with Parallels. I've not tried it with FrameMaker, but My son had  
been on to me about installing parallels on his Intel iMac for a  
while so he can run Microsoft Publisher, so last month we took the  
plunge. Installation was surprisingly easy. In fact, installing  
Windows seemed to proceed quicker than the last time I installed it  
on my Pentium 4 PC.

Our copy of Windows XP (pre-SP1) is an upgrade, so we had to insert  
our Windows 95 full version CD during installation (used the CD/DVD  
Disconnect function), but Parallels handled it with ease. Then we  
installed Windows XP SP2, AVG Free Anti-virus 8.0, Office, and Firefox.

Things were a bit tight with 1 GB of memory, but everything worked.  
And running in Coherence mode, Windows apps appear side-by-side with  
Mac apps, which is uncanny. The other day we popped in 4 GB memory  
and Parallels runs even better. My son is happily producing his  
Runescape booklets in Publisher, which we then print to PS, open in  
Preview, save as PDF, and impose with Cheap Imposter. Even Mac OS X's  
Spotlight search tool finds files on the virtual machine's C: drive.  
Cool!

Popular Mechanics recently commented that "Macs run Vista better than  
PCs" and from what I've seen so far, I can believe it.



One advantage of Parallels on Mac OS X is that if Windows or a pesky  
app goes pear shaped (perish the thought), it doesn't take your  
entire PC with it and require a reset. You simply kill the virtual  
machine and re-open it. Parallels offer a 15-day free trial.

Incidentally, I've also tried Mac FrameMaker 6 and 7 on my son's  
Intel Mac with Mac OS 9 running inside SheepShaver, an open source  
Power PC emulator. Considering it's converting Intel and PowerPC  
instructions on the fly, it's incredibly snappy. Much faster than  
Virtual PC ever was. I can print to my networked LaserJet, connect to  
other Macs on the network, access all of the files on the Mac OS X  
side, sound works, boots up in 30 seconds, even the scroll ball on  
the Mighty Mouse works (up/down only). It's not 100% stable and I'm  
not suggesting anyone use it for work, but at this price...  Anyway,  
I was gob smacked the first time I saw Mac OS X, Mac OS 9, and  
WIndows XP all running simultaneously on the same Mac.

As you know, Mac OS X comes with an interactive spell checker built  
in. I've gotten so used to it, that now I right-click while working  
in Mac FrameMaker expecting a list of possible spelling suggestions  
to appear. Alas, all I get is FrameMaker's contextual menu. OS X also  
comes with a dictionary. OK. Not that exciting on it's own perhaps,  
but if you press Command-Control-D in any app, a little dictionary  
window instantly appears as you move the mouse over words. Now that's  
cool!

Paul



> My PC laptop is beaten up so badly it's barely stable anymore, so  
> it's getting time to start the process of identifying the next  
> workhorse for me. (Yes, I am rough on a laptop and rely on it very  
> heavily. Any testimonials of your laptop successes are more than  
> welcome!)
>
> I have gotten rather irritated with Microsoft since Vista came out,  
> and I really am reluctant to get a new PC laptop due to it shipping  
> with Vista and all the exponentially increased hassle factor that  
> will entail. Frankly, I don't have time to spend 30 minutes per  
> product just to load the software and get it functional by jumping  
> through all the hoops required now. I "get" that it's piracy  
> protection, and I "get" the concept and am not trying to circumvent  
> any copyright laws, but it really just feels like my time and purse  
> are being taxed because of other people's lack of ethics.
>
> I have some friends who have moved to the Mac platform for their  
> laptops, and they swear by them. All the IT gurus I know swear by  
> Unix/Linux and open source development. But, then I get the cold  
> water splashing in the face: the majority of my computer use is  
> work related, and the majority of that work is done in FrameMaker,  
> and FM seems viable only in PC world.
>
> Am I missing something, or is this really the trap it seems to be?  
> If I'm going to continue working with clients whose environment,  
> architecture, workflow, and staffing all revolve around FrameMaker,  
> am I forced to concede to all the baggage that comes with the PC  
> world? Or is there a viable way to use FrameMaker on a new Apple  
> laptop/notebook/etc., or on a Linux laptop, seamlessly with FM  
> files saved by and shared with FM PC users? I can't risk hosing  
> anything in these single-sourced shared-file environments...!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> Rene L. Stephenson
> 

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC]

Yeah, you are probably right, Rene. The dual-boot question was just a
stab in the dark.
My entire office may be forced to up(...down??)-grade to Vista in the
hopefully-not-to-near future. Our vehement petition for a stay of
execution may be ignored in favor of the IT UBER-POLICY, unless we can
come up with a compromise.

Cost/benefit and time/productivity be hanged; we're talking survival
here!

DJ Butler

-Original Message-
From: Rene Stephenson [mailto:rinn...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:37 PM
To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC;
framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

Thanks for the CMS reminder, DJ, as well as the giggles. :o)  

I think the Wikipedia article Milan posted indicates  XP SP2 support
through July 2010, even though new licenses aren't supposed to be
available after June 2008. Maybe over the next two years a better option
will emerge from the fog.

Dual boot is an interesting idea, but it's my impression that  Vista
matches hard drive serial number with OS serial number and snoops
everything on the hard drive, which means I'd be surprised if that
worked...and I'm also scratching my head about what the cost/benefit  in
time/productivity would be. I'm sure I'm missing something...maybe it's
in the bottom of my espresso cup.


Rene L. Stephenson


- Original Message 
From: "Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC" 

Make certain that you speak with your CMS Tech Support and NOT a sales
rep.

Does anyone have any thoughts/experience on running a dual-boot machine
with Vista and XP?

If you have an  XP machine, savor it like the last of the summer wine. 


DJ Butler

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Rene Stephenson]

You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done a lot of 
reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by one of its bugs and 
wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a complete nightmare, every 
single time, and a couple of times was such a colossal headache that he just 
told the client to return the computer for a refund and buy an XP machine. He 
said if I go to a Vista box, I'd better be prepared to do it come what may 
without looking back.



Rene L. Stephenson



- Original Message 
From: Dennis Brunnenmeyer 

Rene

Whatever you do, don't fall into the trap of buying a Windows-based
laptop with VISTA installed on it, hoping to *upgrade* to Windows XP. In
some cases, this is possible, but look into it first. With brand new
hardware designed for VISTA, you may not be able to find XP-suitable
drivers. Your best best (in the Windows arena) is to get one originally
designed for XP, assuming of course that you choose to avoid
VISTA.

Dennis Brunnenmeyer
***

How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Mike Wickham]

Rene,

I also have to replace a laptop. It was attached to the network when we got
hit by lightning. I hate that Vista is the only choice that  laptop 
manufacturers
are giving us these days. So I'm planning to check to be sure that
XP-compatible drivers are available for the prospective laptop's hardware.
Then I'm going to reformat the disk, install Windows XP Professional, and 
install the proper drivers instead. It'll eliminate the junk trialware, too.

Mike Wickham

degree symbol

[Deirdre Reagan]

quick question -- FM 8.0 XP

I need to make the degree symbol.  Help tells me to hit CNTL + m ).

Cntl + M gives me the paragraph design dialog box.

Help also tells me to write \degree and hit return.

\degree with return gives me \degree
and a paragraph mark.

lol

Is there something I'm supposed to be doing here that I'm missing?

Thanks!

Deirdre

degree symbol

[Schmidt, Tom]

* I need to make the degree symbol...

Try...

Ctrl + q + <

Thomas Schmidt 
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Reagan
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:38 PM
To: Framer's List
Subject: degree symbol

quick question -- FM 8.0 XP

I need to make the degree symbol...





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degree symbol

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 Try ALT+ 0176 >>> ?


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 2:38 PM
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Subject: degree symbol

quick question -- FM 8.0 XP

I need to make the degree symbol.  Help tells me to hit CNTL + m ).

Cntl + M gives me the paragraph design dialog box.

Help also tells me to write \degree and hit return.

\degree with return gives me \degree
and a paragraph mark.

lol

Is there something I'm supposed to be doing here that I'm missing?

Thanks!

Deirdre
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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Paul Findon]

On 19 Jun 2008, at 21:06, Rene Stephenson wrote:

> You're right, Dennis. I checked with an IT guru buddy who has done  
> a lot of reworks of Vista machines when his clients got bitten by  
> one of its bugs and wanted to roll back to XP, and he said it was a  
> complete nightmare, every single time, and a couple of times was  
> such a colossal headache that he just told the client to return the  
> computer for a refund and buy an XP machine. He said if I go to a  
> Vista box, I'd better be prepared to do it come what may without  
> looking back.

This is one area where the Mac has always been the clear winner over  
the PC - multiple operating systems.

With a Mac, you simply attach another hard drive, install the OS, and  
use the Startup Disk preference to choose it as your startup OS. Done!

Not so easy on a PC. A long, long time ago, I installed the English  
and Japanese versions of Windows 3.1 on my PC using two separate hard  
drives. To get around the ATA master/slave limitations, I hard wired  
a rear-panel switch to the master/slave jumpers. To switch between  
systems, I shut down, flicked the switch, and rebooted. That was  
after learning about MBR (Master Boot Records) the hard way. Several  
years later I found a pre-wired master/slave switch kit on sale in  
Japanese PC store. Ahh, another patent slips away...

Fast forward nearly 15 years and nothing has changed. I've now got  
the English and Japanese versions of Windows XP on two separate hard  
drives. (Yes, I know about 3rd party tools such as Partition Magic).)

Anyway, with Parallels, you can run multiple virtual machines  
simultaneously. Windows XP, Vista, 2000, Linux, etc. Perfect for  
testing and documenting different systems and beta software.

Paul

degree symbol

[Deirdre Reagan]

Alt 0176 works indeed!  But I have to be on the number pad, not the
numbers across the top of the keyboard.

Anyone know why Help's help isn't helpful?

Deirdre

On 6/19/08, Alan Litchfield  wrote:
> Deirdre you crack me up :D
>
> On a PC I think you hold down alt and press 0176 (on a Mac at the moment so
> can't test it).
>
> Alan
>
>
> On 20/06/2008, at 9:38 AM, Deirdre Reagan wrote:
>
> >
> > quick question -- FM 8.0 XP
> >
> > I need to make the degree symbol.  Help tells me to hit CNTL + m ).
> >
> > Cntl + M gives me the paragraph design dialog box.
> >
> > Help also tells me to write \degree and hit return.
> >
> > \degree with return gives me \degree
> > and a paragraph mark.
> >
> > lol
> >
> > Is there something I'm supposed to be doing here that I'm missing?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Deirdre
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How FM use impacts purchasing decisions

[Mike Wickham]

> Anyway, with Parallels, you can run multiple virtual machines
> simultaneously. Windows XP, Vista, 2000, Linux, etc. Perfect for
> testing and documenting different systems and beta software.

And of course, there is the PC counterpart-- Microsoft Virtual PC 2007. It 
can be downloaded free at 
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/virtualpc/default.mspx. It's 
limited to running virtual machines of Windows 98 or later and OS/2, though.

Mike Wickham