Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Avraham Makeler]

Forgot to specify: I am using FrameMaker 7.2.

Thanks,

  - avi



On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Avraham Makeler wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.
>
> I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object names
> are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21" 1600x1200
> monitor).
>
> The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
> the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
> waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
> further couple of columns.
>
> I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and
> Table Designer, but I still have the same problem.
>
> Ideas?
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> - avi
>



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Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.

I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object names
are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21" 1600x1200
monitor).

The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
further couple of columns.

I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and Table
Designer, but I still have the same problem.

Ideas?

TIA



- avi

Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

Sorry I couldn't get back to this sooner.

I read the responses. Since there is a saying in my local culture that says
"*They* are allowed, and *you* are not", which I interpret as meaning that
the individual has to abide by the opinion of the majority (and even maybe
also realign his head)...

... I therefore humbly bow my head to the large majority opinion.

Actually ... it's not the $60 that's the problem. There is going to be a
simply a practical problem of  what will probably turn out to be the $60
multiplied up many times. I am not used to living with deficiencies and
bugs. In Word, I program my own solutions. In FM, for the time being, I am
going to have to pay a lot of money I don't have, or else "justify"
the deficiencies to my clients.

>> OTOH, a VBA Word macro can be written by script kiddies in a few minutes.

I assume this is a joke. I have written whole applications and tools in Word
VBA that took many days. Of my favorite is an auto linker, allowing you to
type in any section name or legal (dot) number and, at a click, the tool
replaces it with a a cross-reference to the section name or legal number.
Another is a package that provides a stable alternative to Word's list
numbering, but using SEQ fields.

This joke reminds me of the one about Pascal programmers that goes like
this: "What's the difference between Pascal programmers and assembly
language programmers. Assembly language programmers play rugby, whereas Pascal
programmers play tiddlywinks..."

Thanks,

  - avi


On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 08:29:19 +0300, Avraham Makeler
>  wrote:
>
> >>> Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin
>
> An excellent tool, as many have said.
>
> >Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes...
>
> You need more sleep.  ;-)
>
> >$60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete
> >applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have
> written
> >a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to
> me
> >to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply & Demand... if it sells...
> it
> >sells...
>
> I'll just add one more kick to this very dead horse, from
> the perspective of a toolmaker.  Frame plugins like Rick
> makes are not trivial.  They require a very experienced
> C/C++ programmer who knows *all* the nasty little bits of
> the FDK that are undocumented, as well as the massive part
> that is documented.  Development time for this is not short.
> And market size is around 1% of that for a Word plugin.
>
> OTOH, a VBA Word macro can be written by script kiddies
> in a few minutes.
>
> A price of $60 for a Frame plugin is very, very low.
>
> A price of $20 for a Word macro, euphemistically called
> a "program", sounds kinda high.  ;-)  Most are free.
>
> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc.
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Plug for Imposition

[Alan T Litchfield]

Hi Will,


On 20/07/2010, at 4:29 PM, Whites wrote:

> Excellent question.
>
> If it were up to me, I would just generate a PDF and do the  
> imposition manually.
> I'm asking on behalf of someone who is not familiar with the concept  
> at all and wants to self-publish a booklet.
>
> Maybe what I should be looking for is something that will impose a  
> generated PDF.

Yes. That is a better approach, in which case imposition can be  
achieved with Acrobat Pro with a plug-in or via a stand alone  
application. For example, http://www.pdfstore.com/category.asp?CtgID=6

Cheers
Alan

PS Sanity is assured when you then don't have to worry about page and  
paragraph numbering ;)


>
>
>
> On Jul 19, 2010, at 9:19 PM, Alan T Litchfield wrote:
>
>> Hi Will,
>>
>> Why would you want to?
>>
>> Cheers
>> Alan
>>
>> On 20/07/2010, at 4:09 PM, Whites wrote:
>>
>>> Howdy Framers -
>>>
>>> Anyone know of a plugin that does imposition on Frame files??
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Will White
>>>
>>>
>>

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Embedding sound files in Frame8 docs

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Anthony,

You can do this with pdfmark statements embedded in your FrameMaker
documents. The easiest way to automate this process is with TimeSavers and
the optional Multimedia Assistant. See http://www.microtype.com for details.
This is excellent software and will save you a ton of time if you have a lot
of sounds to embed.

If you want more details on what is possible, please contact me offlist and
I will try to help you. Please let me know if you have any questions or
comments. Thank you very much.

Rick

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Hi everybody,

I have a Frame document which will eventually be saved as a PDF using
Acrobat 9 Pro.  What I want to achieve is embedded sound files (I believe
acrobat will now only handle mp3, so I have those) with an icon
representation that, when clicked, will play the sound file.

I have tried embedding the files into the Frame doc, and the PDF doesn't
play them.  I have tried embedding them in the PDF, which works, but when I
click the icon an mp3 file icon appears over the top of it.  This is a grey
box with very small stop, play and pause buttons and a 'file progress play
line'.  This remains visible after the file has played, and would mean
little to any of my readers.

Does anybody have a solution, preferably in Frame, but otherwise in the PDF
that will allow me to embed a sound file that plays when an icon is clicked?

Multitudinous thanks in advance,
Ant

type vs enter

[John Posada]

Enter works for me...it covers people who are typing it, it also
covers people who may be writing it with a pen in things such as iPad.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
> information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field". ?this is for an online
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
> about online interactive lessons. ?Having said that, what do you think? ?and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal
> preference.
>
>

-- 
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Senior Technical Writer

Plug for Imposition

[Alan T Litchfield]

Hi Will,

Why would you want to?

Cheers
Alan

On 20/07/2010, at 4:09 PM, Whites wrote:

> Howdy Framers -
>
> Anyone know of a plugin that does imposition on Frame files??
>
> TIA
>
> Will White
>
>

--
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AlphaByte
PO Box 141, Auckland, 1140
New Zealand
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz/beatrice

Re: Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi Richard,

You got it all spot on! Congrats!

I now set DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=On, and I get the real situation.

(Just one little thing:  when I restarted FM after changing the above cfg
param value, FM notified me of an internal error...but that doesn't seem to
be bothering it from continuing to function ...so far.)

Thanks!

 - avi



On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
> > I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.
> >
> > I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object
> names
> > are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21" 1600x1200
> > monitor).
> >
> > The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
> > the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
> > waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
> > further couple of columns.
> >
> > I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and
> > Table
> > Designer, but I still have the same problem.
>
> Have you tried printing a page containing such a table? The "problem" may
> exist only on your monitor. Screen font metrics and printer font metrics
> aren't the same.
>
> There's a setting in the [Fonts] section of the maker.ini file that governs
> how characters are spaced on the screen. By default, it's set as follows:
>
>DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=Off
>
> This setting uses screen font metrics, which produce the best screen
> display, but don't accurately reflect line lengths when printed. So you
> think there's lots of room left on a line and wonder why it wraps so soon.
> But actually the line is full when printer font metrics are applied.
>
> If you change that setting to On, the screen display will more accurately
> reflect line lengths when you print (and that means either printing hardcopy
> or creating a PDF).
>
> HTH!
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
>
>
>
>
>
>


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type vs enter

[Jerilynne Knight]

When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the
users found it confusing to "Enter text" and "Press Enter". In my opinion
(which will also show how old I am), I still feel you "type" information if
you're actually using the keyboard.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
> information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
> about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?
>  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all
> personal
> preference.
>
>
>
> Clara Hall
>
> Technical Documentation Manager
>
> Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
>
> (561) 244-7372
> www.atgshades.com 
>
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RE: type vs enter and STE

[Owen, Clint]

Gillian and Richard,

You're preaching to the choir, but this type of situation comes up a lot: if 
you try to strictly follow the rules, you discover that there is no easy way to 
express a simple concept.

Generally, each allowed word has only one assigned meaning, and each concept 
has only one allowed word to express it.

Thus "TYPE" can only be used as a noun name for a group of something, such as 
"type of lubricant" or "type of damage". You can't use it in any other way.

"ENTER" can't be used at all. You can put something somewhere, go into 
someplace, record data, or make an entry, but you can't enter.

STE was developed by The European Association of Aerospace Companies and 
specified by many of our customers. Mostly we follow the rules until they 
become impossible, then we just get as close as we can.

Clint 


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8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113

-Original Message-
From: Flato, Gillian [mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:04 PM
To: Owen, Clint; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: type vs enter

Clint,

That can't be right. Telling Users to enter or type text is probably the 
command we use most frequently. Simplified English must have a way for 
instructing Users how to do it. Otherwise, simplified English is completely 
useless.

Thank you,
 

Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
1550 Buckeye Dr. 
Milpitas, CA. 95035
9408.545.6316
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:58 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: type vs enter

In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary and is 
supposed to make documents easier to understand for international readers, 
neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a few minutes and 
can't think of a "STE legal" way to write the requested instructions.

Clint 


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425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:31 PM
To: Clara Hall
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: type vs enter

When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the users 
found it confusing to "Enter text" and "Press Enter". In my opinion (which will 
also show how old I am), I still feel you "type"
information if you're actually using the keyboard.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter

> the information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online 
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when 
> talking about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do
you think?
>  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all 
> personal preference.
>
>
>
> Clara Hall
>
> Technical Documentation Manager
>
> Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
>
> (561) 244-7372
> www.atgshades.com 
>
>
>
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RE: type vs enter

[Alison Craig]

I just did a quick Internet search on Simplified Technical English and found 
this example at 
http://www.simplifiedenglish.net/controlled-language-global-english (at the 
bottom of the web page under Industry Examples, select Software).

Step 2 (below) specifically says "...enter the IP address of the system..." 
which sounds to me like they want you to type it in. Step 3 is more of the same.

So "enter" seems to be the term of choice.

Alison



Use VXX Web to get access to the system:

1. On a computer, open a web browser.
2. In the address bar of the web browser, enter the IP address of the system,
   for example, http://10.11.12.13, to go to VXX Web. If Security Mode is 
   enabled on the system, you must use "secure HTTPS access", for example, 
   https://10.11.12.13. Click Yes in the security dialog boxes that show.
3. Enter admin as the user name, and enter the remote access password, if 
   one is set.


 
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:06 PM
To: Owen, Clint; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: type vs enter

Owen, Clint wrote: 
 
> In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary
> and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international
> readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a
> few minutes and can't think of a "STE legal" way to write the requested
> instructions.

Um, really? Using STE, there's no way to tell the reader to type something into 
a field or box? The need to do that comes up a lot, you know. :-) 


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type vs enter and STE

[Owen, Clint]

Gillian and Richard,

You're preaching to the choir, but this type of situation comes up a lot: if 
you try to strictly follow the rules, you discover that there is no easy way to 
express a simple concept.

Generally, each allowed word has only one assigned meaning, and each concept 
has only one allowed word to express it.

Thus "TYPE" can only be used as a noun name for a group of something, such as 
"type of lubricant" or "type of damage". You can't use it in any other way.

"ENTER" can't be used at all. You can put something somewhere, go into 
someplace, record data, or make an entry, but you can't enter.

STE was developed by The European Association of Aerospace Companies and 
specified by many of our customers. Mostly we follow the rules until they 
become impossible, then we just get as close as we can.

Clint 


Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1 425 743 
8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113

-Original Message-
From: Flato, Gillian [mailto:gfl...@nanometrics.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:04 PM
To: Owen, Clint; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: type vs enter

Clint,

That can't be right. Telling Users to enter or type text is probably the 
command we use most frequently. Simplified English must have a way for 
instructing Users how to do it. Otherwise, simplified English is completely 
useless.

Thank you,
?

Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
1550 Buckeye Dr. 
Milpitas, CA. 95035
9408.545.6316
7? 408.232.5911
4 gflato at nanometrics.com

"Well Done is better than Well Said" - Benjamin Franklin

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From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:58 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: type vs enter

In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary and is 
supposed to make documents easier to understand for international readers, 
neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a few minutes and 
can't think of a "STE legal" way to write the requested instructions.

Clint 


Clint Owen | Sr. Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics | +1
425 743 8674 | Fax: +1 425 743 8113

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jerilynne Knight
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:31 PM
To: Clara Hall
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: type vs enter

When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the users 
found it confusing to "Enter text" and "Press Enter". In my opinion (which will 
also show how old I am), I still feel you "type"
information if you're actually using the keyboard.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter

> the information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online 
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when 
> talking about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do
you think?
>  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all 
> personal preference.
>
>
>
> Clara Hall
>
> Technical Documentation Manager
>
> Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
>
> (561) 244-7372
> www.atgshades.com 
>
>
>
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type vs enter

[Clara Hall]

Hello all,

I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
information in the text field"
vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
training course.

As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?  and
is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal
preference.



Clara Hall

Technical Documentation Manager

Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.

(561) 244-7372
www.atgshades.com  

type vs enter

[Alison Craig]

I just did a quick Internet search on Simplified Technical English and found 
this example at 
http://www.simplifiedenglish.net/controlled-language-global-english (at the 
bottom of the web page under Industry Examples, select Software).

Step 2 (below) specifically says "...enter the IP address of the system..." 
which sounds to me like they want you to type it in. Step 3 is more of the same.

So "enter" seems to be the term of choice.

Alison



Use VXX Web to get access to the system:

1. On a computer, open a web browser.
2. In the address bar of the web browser, enter the IP address of the system,
   for example, http://10.11.12.13, to go to VXX Web. If Security Mode is 
   enabled on the system, you must use "secure HTTPS access", for example, 
   https://10.11.12.13. Click Yes in the security dialog boxes that show.
3. Enter admin as the user name, and enter the remote access password, if 
   one is set.



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To: Owen, Clint; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: type vs enter

Owen, Clint wrote: 

> In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary
> and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international
> readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a
> few minutes and can't think of a "STE legal" way to write the requested
> instructions.

Um, really? Using STE, there's no way to tell the reader to type something into 
a field or box? The need to do that comes up a lot, you know. :-) 


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Owen, Clint wrote: 
 
> In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary
> and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international
> readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a
> few minutes and can't think of a "STE legal" way to write the requested
> instructions.

Um, really? Using STE, there's no way to tell the reader to type something into 
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type vs enter

[Combs, Richard]

Owen, Clint wrote: 

> In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary
> and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international
> readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a
> few minutes and can't think of a "STE legal" way to write the requested
> instructions.

Um, really? Using STE, there's no way to tell the reader to type something into 
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RE: type vs enter

[Flato, Gillian]

Clint,

That can't be right. Telling Users to enter or type text is probably the 
command we use most frequently. Simplified English must have a way for 
instructing Users how to do it. Otherwise, simplified English is completely 
useless.

Thank you,
 

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Subject: RE: type vs enter

In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary
and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international
readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a
few minutes and can't think of a "STE legal" way to write the requested
instructions.

Clint 


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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:31 PM
To: Clara Hall
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: type vs enter

When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the
users found it confusing to "Enter text" and "Press Enter". In my
opinion (which will also show how old I am), I still feel you "type"
information if you're actually using the keyboard.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter

> the information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online 
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when 
> talking about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do
you think?
>  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all 
> personal preference.
>
>
>
> Clara Hall
>
> Technical Documentation Manager
>
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>
> (561) 244-7372
> www.atgshades.com 
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type vs enter

[Flato, Gillian]

Clint,

That can't be right. Telling Users to enter or type text is probably the 
command we use most frequently. Simplified English must have a way for 
instructing Users how to do it. Otherwise, simplified English is completely 
useless.

Thank you,
?

Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
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?? 408.232.5911
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:58 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: type vs enter

In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary
and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international
readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a
few minutes and can't think of a "STE legal" way to write the requested
instructions.

Clint 


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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:31 PM
To: Clara Hall
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Subject: Re: type vs enter

When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the
users found it confusing to "Enter text" and "Press Enter". In my
opinion (which will also show how old I am), I still feel you "type"
information if you're actually using the keyboard.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter

> the information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online 
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when 
> talking about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do
you think?
>  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all 
> personal preference.
>
>
>
> Clara Hall
>
> Technical Documentation Manager
>
> Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
>
> (561) 244-7372
> www.atgshades.com 
>
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RE: Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Combs, Richard]

Avraham Makeler wrote: 
 
> I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.
> 
> I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object names
> are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21" 1600x1200
> monitor).
> 
> The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
> the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
> waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
> further couple of columns.
> 
> I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and
> Table
> Designer, but I still have the same problem.

Have you tried printing a page containing such a table? The "problem" may exist 
only on your monitor. Screen font metrics and printer font metrics aren't the 
same. 

There's a setting in the [Fonts] section of the maker.ini file that governs how 
characters are spaced on the screen. By default, it's set as follows: 

DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=Off

This setting uses screen font metrics, which produce the best screen display, 
but don't accurately reflect line lengths when printed. So you think there's 
lots of room left on a line and wonder why it wraps so soon. But actually the 
line is full when printer font metrics are applied. 

If you change that setting to On, the screen display will more accurately 
reflect line lengths when you print (and that means either printing hardcopy or 
creating a PDF). 

HTH!

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Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Combs, Richard]

Avraham Makeler wrote: 

> I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.
> 
> I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object names
> are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21" 1600x1200
> monitor).
> 
> The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
> the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
> waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
> further couple of columns.
> 
> I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and
> Table
> Designer, but I still have the same problem.

Have you tried printing a page containing such a table? The "problem" may exist 
only on your monitor. Screen font metrics and printer font metrics aren't the 
same. 

There's a setting in the [Fonts] section of the maker.ini file that governs how 
characters are spaced on the screen. By default, it's set as follows: 

DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=Off

This setting uses screen font metrics, which produce the best screen display, 
but don't accurately reflect line lengths when printed. So you think there's 
lots of room left on a line and wonder why it wraps so soon. But actually the 
line is full when printer font metrics are applied. 

If you change that setting to On, the screen display will more accurately 
reflect line lengths when you print (and that means either printing hardcopy or 
creating a PDF). 

HTH!

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Re: type vs enter

[Alan T Litchfield]

Makes good sense.

If it is an instruction "Type [the required data]" makes sense and is  
reasonably unambiguous. Whereas "Enter" is used differently depending  
on context, ranging from going into an enclosed space to form filling  
and so there may be some moments of confusion as the reader decides on  
the context, and then the meaning of the statement.


Alan

On 21/07/2010, at 8:23 AM, David Spreadbury wrote:


Clara,
The Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications, Version  
3.0 states:


type vs. enter
Use type, not type in or enter, if information the user types  
appears on the screen. An exception to this rule is that you can  
tell users to "enter" a file name, for example, in a combo box when  
they have the choice of typing a name or selecting one from a list.  
You can also use a combination of words such as "type or select" if  
space is not an issue.

Correct
Type your password.
Enter the file name.
Type the path to the server or select it from the list.

Incorrect
Type in your password.
Enter your password.

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Clara Hall  wrote:


From: Clara Hall 
Subject: type vs enter
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 2:20 PM


Hello all,

I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say  
"Enter the

information in the text field"
vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
training course.

As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when  
talking
about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you  
think?  and
is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all  
personal

preference.



Clara Hall

Technical Documentation Manager

Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.

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RE: type vs enter

[Owen, Clint]

In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary
and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international
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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:31 PM
To: Clara Hall
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: type vs enter

When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the
users found it confusing to "Enter text" and "Press Enter". In my
opinion (which will also show how old I am), I still feel you "type"
information if you're actually using the keyboard.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter

> the information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online 
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when 
> talking about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do
you think?
>  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all 
> personal preference.
>
>
>
> Clara Hall
>
> Technical Documentation Manager
>
> Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
>
> (561) 244-7372
> www.atgshades.com 
>
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Re: Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Avraham Makeler]

Forgot to specify: I am using FrameMaker 7.2.

Thanks,

  - avi



On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Avraham Makeler wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.
>
> I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object names
> are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21" 1600x1200
> monitor).
>
> The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
> the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
> waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
> further couple of columns.
>
> I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and
> Table Designer, but I still have the same problem.
>
> Ideas?
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> - avi
>



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Embedding sound files in Frame8 docs

[Anthony Davey]

Hi everybody,

I have a Frame document which will eventually be saved as a PDF using Acrobat 9 
Pro.  What I want to achieve is embedded sound files (I believe acrobat will 
now only handle mp3, so I have those) with an icon representation that, when 
clicked, will play the sound file.

I have tried embedding the files into the Frame doc, and the PDF doesn't play 
them.  I have tried embedding them in the PDF, which works, but when I click 
the icon an mp3 file icon appears over the top of it.  This is a grey box with 
very small stop, play and pause buttons and a 'file progress play line'.  This 
remains visible after the file has played, and would mean little to any of my 
readers.

Does anybody have a solution, preferably in Frame, but otherwise in the PDF 
that will allow me to embed a sound file that plays when an icon is clicked?

Multitudinous thanks in advance,
Ant

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Re: Embedding sound files in Frame8 docs

[Writer]

You can import it as an OLE Object in FM8 as a wav file. I don't know how to 
get it to output to PDF.

>From the FM online help:

Embedding with OLE 

You can use OLE to embed text or graphics in a FrameMaker document. Embedded 
material retains its association with the application that created it (but does 
not retain a dynamic link to its source document). This lets you double-click 
an embedded object to open the object in the application that created it. Be 
sure to use an application that supports OLE as a server to create the object 
you want to embed. 

You can also embed multimedia objects such as video or movie files (.avi or 
.mov files) and sound files (.wav files).

To embed only part of a file with OLE:

1. In its own application, open the file and copy the part you want to embed.

2. In FrameMaker, click where you want to embed the text or graphics, and 
choose Edit > Paste Special.

3. Click Paste, select a format for the object (look for a format that starts 
with "embedded"), and then click OK. 

To embed a whole file with OLE:

Click where you want to embed the text or graphics and choose File > Import > 
Object. You can then embed a new, empty file, or specify an existing one.

Nadine




--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Anthony Davey  wrote:

> From: Anthony Davey 
> Subject: Embedding sound files in Frame8 docs
> To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 9:29 AM
> Hi everybody,
> 
> I have a Frame document which will eventually be saved as a
> PDF using Acrobat 9 Pro.  What I want to achieve is
> embedded sound files (I believe acrobat will now only handle
> mp3, so I have those) with an icon representation that, when
> clicked, will play the sound file.
> 
> I have tried embedding the files into the Frame doc, and
> the PDF doesn't play them.  I have tried embedding them
> in the PDF, which works, but when I click the icon an mp3
> file icon appears over the top of it.  This is a grey
> box with very small stop, play and pause buttons and a 'file
> progress play line'.  This remains visible after the
> file has played, and would mean little to any of my
> readers.
> 
> Does anybody have a solution, preferably in Frame, but
> otherwise in the PDF that will allow me to embed a sound
> file that plays when an icon is clicked?
> 
> Multitudinous thanks in advance,
> Ant
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Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.

I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object names
are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21" 1600x1200
monitor).

The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
further couple of columns.

I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and Table
Designer, but I still have the same problem.

Ideas?

TIA



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type vs enter

[Spectrum Writing]

Use "enter" if a user must put something in a field in a window. Do not use
type or type in for this. Type is typically reserved for command line
instructions.

HTH,

TVB

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Subject: type vs enter

Hello all,

I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
information in the text field"
vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
training course.

As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?  and
is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal
preference.



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RE: Embedding sound files in Frame8 docs

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Anthony,

You can do this with pdfmark statements embedded in your FrameMaker
documents. The easiest way to automate this process is with TimeSavers and
the optional Multimedia Assistant. See http://www.microtype.com for details.
This is excellent software and will save you a ton of time if you have a lot
of sounds to embed.

If you want more details on what is possible, please contact me offlist and
I will try to help you. Please let me know if you have any questions or
comments. Thank you very much.

Rick

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Hi everybody,

I have a Frame document which will eventually be saved as a PDF using
Acrobat 9 Pro.  What I want to achieve is embedded sound files (I believe
acrobat will now only handle mp3, so I have those) with an icon
representation that, when clicked, will play the sound file.

I have tried embedding the files into the Frame doc, and the PDF doesn't
play them.  I have tried embedding them in the PDF, which works, but when I
click the icon an mp3 file icon appears over the top of it.  This is a grey
box with very small stop, play and pause buttons and a 'file progress play
line'.  This remains visible after the file has played, and would mean
little to any of my readers.

Does anybody have a solution, preferably in Frame, but otherwise in the PDF
that will allow me to embed a sound file that plays when an icon is clicked?

Multitudinous thanks in advance,
Ant


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Re: type vs enter

[Writer]

Personally, I don't care what term is used, so long as it's used consistently.

FWIW, this is what MS MoS 3ed says about the matter:

type vs. enter 
Use type, not type in or enter, if information that the user types appears on 
the screen. An exception to this rule is that you can tell users to “enter” a 
file name, for example, in a combo box when they have the choice of typing a 
name or selecting one from a list. You can also use a combination of words such 
as “type or select” if space is not an
issue.

Nadine

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Linda Rose  wrote:

> From: Linda Rose 
> Subject: Re: type vs enter
> To: "Clara Hall" 
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 4:14 PM
> When you say Enter the info ... it
> implies that you are pressing the Enter
> key after you type the information.
> 
> 
> ~~
> Linda Rose
> CTD Online Development
> QAD, Inc
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Clara Hall 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I need/would like to give the argument that it is
> better to say "Enter the
> > information in the text field"
> > vs. "type the information in the text field". 
> this is for an online
> > training course.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no
> longer used when talking
> > about online interactive lessons.  Having said
> that, what do you think?
> >  and
> > is there a valid stance I can take to make my point,
> or is this all
> > personal
> > preference.
> >
> >
> >
> > Clara Hall
> >
> > Technical Documentation Manager
> >
> > Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
> >
> > (561) 244-7372
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type vs enter

[Owen, Clint]

In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited vocabulary
and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for international
readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this context. I spent a
few minutes and can't think of a "STE legal" way to write the requested
instructions.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:31 PM
To: Clara Hall
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: type vs enter

When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the
users found it confusing to "Enter text" and "Press Enter". In my
opinion (which will also show how old I am), I still feel you "type"
information if you're actually using the keyboard.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter

> the information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online 
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when 
> talking about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do
you think?
>  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all 
> personal preference.
>
>
>
> Clara Hall
>
> Technical Documentation Manager
>
> Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
>
> (561) 244-7372
> www.atgshades.com 
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RE: type vs enter

[Sharon Burton]

Will your audience be able to make that leap? This one is all about
audience. If they are fairly sophisticated, then enter. If not, then type.


sharon

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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: type vs enter

Hello all,

I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
information in the text field"
vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
training course.

As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?  and
is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal
preference.

 

Clara Hall

Technical Documentation Manager

Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.

(561) 244-7372


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Embedding sound files in Frame8 docs

[Writer]

You can import it as an OLE Object in FM8 as a wav file. I don't know how to 
get it to output to PDF.

Consolidated index - more

[Milton, Cynthia]

Classification: SERCO-PUBLIC

OK, so, I played around a bit more. I hope the following makes sense to
you.

To recap: the book file from which I'm generating the index contains
around 200 files and a book file, thus:

IOM (Index of Markers)
Files . . .
Book

This book file contains ordinary fm files and generated TOC, LOT, LOF
and IX files, thus:

Title
Preface
TOC
LOF
LOT
Files . . . 
IX

Now, I noticed that the TOC/LOF/LOT wodge consisted of 14 pages. So I
inserted a spurious index marker in the Preface (i.e. before the
generated wodge), and regenerated the consolidated book. Bingo, the
spurious index entry had the correct page number, and markers on pages
after the generated wodge produced numbers 14 adrift from reality, as
before.

The 21-page discrepancy between the reported number of pages of the
subsidiary book in the consolidated file and the subsidiary book file is
accounted for by all the generated files, i.e. the front-wodge and the
IX file. And when I generate a PDF, the generated files in the
subsidiary book are ignored.

I can only assume that when one generates a book containing a book (so
to speak), Frame ignores the generated files in the contained book, for
some reason. 

My quick-and-dirty will be to temporarily insert a 14-page file in the
subsidiary book to pad it out. Anyone have any further thoughts?

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Flakey cross references

[Susan McDonald]

If you're only seeing the unresolved cross-reference messages when you open the 
file (in the book, I presume), it's probably because the files that the 
cross-references point to haven't opened yet. If most cross-references point to 
one or two files, open those first, then open all the other files, and you 
should be all set.

If you're not getting unresolved cross-references reported in an error log when 
you update the book, the cross-references are fine.

Hope that helps!


Susan McDonald

On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:00 PM, framers-request at lists.frameusers.com wrote:

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> To: 
> Subject: Flakey cross references
> Message-ID:
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> 
> I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 on XP Professional. I've got a book with about
> 11 chapters in it.
> 
> 
> 
> I continue to get unresolved cross reference messages. I have gone in
> and re-done all of them, since the original files were copied from
> another manual, but when I open the documents again, I get the messages
> again. None of the files have been moved. I have been printing .ps files
> in order to create PDFs of the book. (Somehow that seems to have
> something to do with the problem.) The links in the PDF files are fine,
> and the page numbers are correct. 
> 
> 
> 
> Any idea what's happening here?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Re: type vs enter

[Jerilynne Knight]

When I did some informal (very informal) questioning for a project, the
users found it confusing to "Enter text" and "Press Enter". In my opinion
(which will also show how old I am), I still feel you "type" information if
you're actually using the keyboard.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
> information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
> about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?
>  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all
> personal
> preference.
>
>
>
> Clara Hall
>
> Technical Documentation Manager
>
> Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
>
> (561) 244-7372
> www.atgshades.com 
>
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Re: type vs enter

[John Posada]

Enter works for me...it covers people who are typing it, it also
covers people who may be writing it with a pen in things such as iPad.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
> information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
> about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal
> preference.
>
>

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Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table

[Avraham Makeler]

Hi all,

Sorry I couldn't get back to this sooner.

I read the responses. Since there is a saying in my local culture that says
"*They* are allowed, and *you* are not", which I interpret as meaning that
the individual has to abide by the opinion of the majority (and even maybe
also realign his head)...

... I therefore humbly bow my head to the large majority opinion.

Actually ... it's not the $60 that's the problem. There is going to be a
simply a practical problem of  what will probably turn out to be the $60
multiplied up many times. I am not used to living with deficiencies and
bugs. In Word, I program my own solutions. In FM, for the time being, I am
going to have to pay a lot of money I don't have, or else "justify"
the deficiencies to my clients.

>> OTOH, a VBA Word macro can be written by script kiddies in a few minutes.

I assume this is a joke. I have written whole applications and tools in Word
VBA that took many days. Of my favorite is an auto linker, allowing you to
type in any section name or legal (dot) number and, at a click, the tool
replaces it with a a cross-reference to the section name or legal number.
Another is a package that provides a stable alternative to Word's list
numbering, but using SEQ fields.

This joke reminds me of the one about Pascal programmers that goes like
this: "What's the difference between Pascal programmers and assembly
language programmers. Assembly language programmers play rugby, whereas Pascal
programmers play tiddlywinks..."

Thanks,

  - avi


On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote:

> On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 08:29:19 +0300, Avraham Makeler
>  wrote:
>
> >>> Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin
>
> An excellent tool, as many have said.
>
> >Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes...
>
> You need more sleep.  ;-)
>
> >$60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete
> >applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have
> written
> >a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to
> me
> >to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply & Demand... if it sells...
> it
> >sells...
>
> I'll just add one more kick to this very dead horse, from
> the perspective of a toolmaker.  Frame plugins like Rick
> makes are not trivial.  They require a very experienced
> C/C++ programmer who knows *all* the nasty little bits of
> the FDK that are undocumented, as well as the massive part
> that is documented.  Development time for this is not short.
> And market size is around 1% of that for a Word plugin.
>
> OTOH, a VBA Word macro can be written by script kiddies
> in a few minutes.
>
> A price of $60 for a Frame plugin is very, very low.
>
> A price of $20 for a Word macro, euphemistically called
> a "program", sounds kinda high.  ;-)  Most are free.
>
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type vs enter

[Writer]

Personally, I don't care what term is used, so long as it's used consistently.

FWIW, this is what MS MoS 3ed says about the matter:

type vs. enter 
Use type, not type in or enter, if information that the user types appears on 
the screen. An exception to this rule is that you can tell users to ?enter? a 
file name, for example, in a combo box when they have the choice of typing a 
name or selecting one from a list. You can also use a combination of words such 
as ?type or select? if space is not an
issue.

Nadine

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Linda Rose  wrote:

> From: Linda Rose 
> Subject: Re: type vs enter
> To: "Clara Hall" 
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 4:14 PM
> When you say Enter the info ... it
> implies that you are pressing the Enter
> key after you type the information.
> 
> 
> ~~
> Linda Rose
> CTD Online Development
> QAD, Inc
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Clara Hall 
> wrote:
> 
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I need/would like to give the argument that it is
> better to say "Enter the
> > information in the text field"
> > vs. "type the information in the text field".?
> this is for an online
> > training course.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no
> longer used when talking
> > about online interactive lessons.? Having said
> that, what do you think?
> >? and
> > is there a valid stance I can take to make my point,
> or is this all
> > personal
> > preference.
> >
> >
> >
> > Clara Hall
> >
> > Technical Documentation Manager
> >
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RE: type vs. enter

[Lea Rush]

The MMSTP (Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications) advises
using "type" rather than "enter" for this action. Here's the full quote:

Type or select: Use to refer to an item (as in a combo box) that the user
can either type or select in the accompanying text box. You can use 'enter'
instead if there is no possibility of confusion.

For what it's worth,
Lea

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> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: type vs enter
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
> information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
> training course.
> 
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
> about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?
and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all
personal
> preference.
> 
> 
> 
> Clara Hall
> 
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> 
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> (561) 244-7372
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type vs enter

[Sharon Burton]

Will your audience be able to make that leap? This one is all about
audience. If they are fairly sophisticated, then enter. If not, then type.


sharon

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-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Clara Hall
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 12:21 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: type vs enter

Hello all,

I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
information in the text field"
vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
training course.

As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?  and
is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal
preference.



Clara Hall

Technical Documentation Manager

Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.

(561) 244-7372

Re: type vs enter

[David Spreadbury]

Clara,
The Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications, Version 3.0 states:
 
type vs. enter
Use type, not type in or enter, if information the user types appears on the 
screen. An exception to this rule is that you can tell users to "enter" a file 
name, for example, in a combo box when they have the choice of typing a name or 
selecting one from a list. You can also use a combination of words such as 
"type or select" if space is not an issue.
Correct
Type your password.
Enter the file name.
Type the path to the server or select it from the list.
 
Incorrect
Type in your password.
Enter your password.

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Clara Hall  wrote:


From: Clara Hall 
Subject: type vs enter
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 2:20 PM


Hello all,

I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
information in the text field"
vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
training course.

As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?  and
is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal
preference.



Clara Hall

Technical Documentation Manager

Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.

(561) 244-7372
www.atgshades.com  
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type vs. enter

[Lea Rush]

The MMSTP (Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications) advises
using "type" rather than "enter" for this action. Here's the full quote:

Type or select: Use to refer to an item (as in a combo box) that the user
can either type or select in the accompanying text box. You can use 'enter'
instead if there is no possibility of confusion.

For what it's worth,
Lea

_ 
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> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Clara Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 12:21 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: type vs enter
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
> information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
> training course.
> 
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
> about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?
and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all
personal
> preference.
> 
> 
> 
> Clara Hall
> 
> Technical Documentation Manager
> 
> Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
> 
> (561) 244-7372
> www.atgshades.com 
> 
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type vs enter

[David Spreadbury]

Clara,
The Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications, Version 3.0 states:
?
type vs. enter
Use type, not type in or enter, if information the user types appears on the 
screen. An exception to this rule is that you can tell users to "enter" a file 
name, for example, in a combo box when they have the choice of typing a name or 
selecting one from a list. You can also use a combination of words such as 
"type or select" if space is not an issue.
Correct
Type your password.
Enter the file name.
Type the path to the server or select it from the list.
?
Incorrect
Type in your password.
Enter your password.

--- On Tue, 7/20/10, Clara Hall  wrote:


From: Clara Hall 
Subject: type vs enter
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 2:20 PM


Hello all,

I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
information in the text field"
vs. "type the information in the text field".? this is for an online
training course.

As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
about online interactive lessons.? Having said that, what do you think?? and
is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal
preference.



Clara Hall

Technical Documentation Manager

Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.

(561) 244-7372
www.atgshades.com  

RE: type vs enter

[Spectrum Writing]

Use "enter" if a user must put something in a field in a window. Do not use
type or type in for this. Type is typically reserved for command line
instructions.

HTH,

TVB

Tammy Van Boening
Owner/Principal
Spectrum Writing, LLC
www.spectrumwritingllc.com
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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Clara Hall
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 1:21 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: type vs enter

Hello all,

I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
information in the text field"
vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
training course.

As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?  and
is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal
preference.

 

Clara Hall

Technical Documentation Manager

Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.

(561) 244-7372
www.atgshades.com  

 

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Re: type vs enter

[Linda Rose]

When you say Enter the info ... it implies that you are pressing the Enter
key after you type the information.


~~
Linda Rose
CTD Online Development
QAD, Inc


On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
> information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
> about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?
>  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all
> personal
> preference.
>
>
>
> Clara Hall
>
> Technical Documentation Manager
>
> Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
>
> (561) 244-7372
> www.atgshades.com 
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type vs enter

[Linda Rose]

When you say Enter the info ... it implies that you are pressing the Enter
key after you type the information.


~~
Linda Rose
CTD Online Development
QAD, Inc


On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Clara Hall  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
> information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
> about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?
>  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all
> personal
> preference.
>
>
>
> Clara Hall
>
> Technical Documentation Manager
>
> Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
>
> (561) 244-7372
> www.atgshades.com 
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type vs enter

[Clara Hall]

Hello all,

I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say "Enter the
information in the text field"
vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
training course.

As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when talking
about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you think?  and
is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all personal
preference.

 

Clara Hall

Technical Documentation Manager

Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.

(561) 244-7372
www.atgshades.com  

 

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MIL-STD-40051

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I am looking for  a stylesheet to format a technical manual to the
MIL-STD-40051 format.  I have downloaded the dtd for this standard, it
contains all of the tags, but no formatting.  Has anyone used Framemaker
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Re: Flakey cross references

[Susan McDonald]

If you're only seeing the unresolved cross-reference messages when you open the 
file (in the book, I presume), it's probably because the files that the 
cross-references point to haven't opened yet. If most cross-references point to 
one or two files, open those first, then open all the other files, and you 
should be all set.

If you're not getting unresolved cross-references reported in an error log when 
you update the book, the cross-references are fine.

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> Subject: Flakey cross references
> Message-ID:
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> I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 on XP Professional. I've got a book with about
> 11 chapters in it.
> 
> 
> 
> I continue to get unresolved cross reference messages. I have gone in
> and re-done all of them, since the original files were copied from
> another manual, but when I open the documents again, I get the messages
> again. None of the files have been moved. I have been printing .ps files
> in order to create PDFs of the book. (Somehow that seems to have
> something to do with the problem.) The links in the PDF files are fine,
> and the page numbers are correct. 
> 
> 
> 
> Any idea what's happening here?
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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Embedding sound files in Frame8 docs

[Anthony Davey]

Hi everybody,

I have a Frame document which will eventually be saved as a PDF using Acrobat 9 
Pro.  What I want to achieve is embedded sound files (I believe acrobat will 
now only handle mp3, so I have those) with an icon representation that, when 
clicked, will play the sound file.

I have tried embedding the files into the Frame doc, and the PDF doesn't play 
them.  I have tried embedding them in the PDF, which works, but when I click 
the icon an mp3 file icon appears over the top of it.  This is a grey box with 
very small stop, play and pause buttons and a 'file progress play line'.  This 
remains visible after the file has played, and would mean little to any of my 
readers.

Does anybody have a solution, preferably in Frame, but otherwise in the PDF 
that will allow me to embed a sound file that plays when an icon is clicked?

Multitudinous thanks in advance,
Ant

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Plug for Imposition

[Mike Wickham]

If your client just wants to self-publish a booklet-- say by folding letter 
size pages into 5.5" x 8.5" pages-- many (most?) desktop print drivers have 
"booklet printing" options that will take care of it for them. They'll have 
to fold and staple the sheets on their own, though. You can find saddle 
staplers for around $35.

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MIL-STD-40051

[Arthur Kreitman]

I am looking for  a stylesheet to format a technical manual to the
MIL-STD-40051 format.  I have downloaded the dtd for this standard, it
contains all of the tags, but no formatting.  Has anyone used Framemaker
to create a Technical Manual to this standard?



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(201) 505-0833 x140

Plug for Imposition

[Stuart Rogers]

On 20/07/2010 12:09 AM, Whites wrote:
> Howdy Framers -
>
> Anyone know of a plugin that does imposition on Frame files??
>
> TIA
>
> Will White

It's easier to do imposition in the PDF stream rather than in Frame. 
Quite Imposing is often recommended, but is fairly pricey.  I use 
Clickbook from Blue Squirrel for my very limited needs; it's only $50 
(but it does not handle EPS graphics).

HTH,

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Preventing a text frame from containing text from next page

[Dick Spierings]

Hi Verner,



To make sure you always start at the top of a new page (your rear page)
you can use a first paragraph style (preceding your markers) that always
starts on top of a page. This forces the paragraph (and all subsequent
paragraphs) to move to the rear page (in your case).



In the Paragraph Designer (CTRL-M) you will find a tab or icon named
'pagination'. Click that and you will see a dropdown list named 'start'.
Default setting is 'anywhere'; change that to 'top of page' to make that
paragraph style to always start on top of a (new) page. If this new
style causes a line feed on top of the rear page that you do not want,
you can also change the format to 'run-in-head-default punctuation'. 



Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,



Dick Spierings



' +31 (0)413 343786

"  www.fluidwell.com  

* d.spierings at fluidwell.com 







Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:48:30 +0200

From: "Andersen, Verner Engell VEA" 

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Subject: Preventing a text frame from containing text from next page

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Hi

The right text frame on my cover page contains a list of markers
(chapter titles)



When I update the book the text from the next page (rear cover) is
displayed in the right text frame of the cover page. 



How do I prevent my front and rear page texts to mix?



Best regards



Verner







Radiometer Medical ApS

Akandevej 21

2700 Bronshoj

Denmark

Phone: +45 38 27 38 27

CVR: 27 50 91 85

www.radiometer.com

Re: Plug for Imposition

[Mike Wickham]

If your client just wants to self-publish a booklet-- say by folding letter 
size pages into 5.5" x 8.5" pages-- many (most?) desktop print drivers have 
"booklet printing" options that will take care of it for them. They'll have 
to fold and staple the sheets on their own, though. You can find saddle 
staplers for around $35.


Mike Wickham


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Plug for Imposition

[Jacob Schäffer]

Create a PDF and then use Quite Imposing.

/Jacob

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Howdy Framers -

Anyone know of a plugin that does imposition on Frame files??

TIA

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Plug for Imposition

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Will

Quite Imposing is a plug-in for Acrobat:

http://www.quite.com/products.htm


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Flakey cross references

[Writer]

Is there any hidden conditionalized text? That could cause the message.

Did you do a search on unresolved cross-ref?

Nadine

On 19/07/2010 7:47 PM, Layton, Debbie wrote:
> I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 on XP Professional. I've got a book with about
> 11 chapters in it.
>
>
>
> I continue to get unresolved cross reference messages. I have gone in
> and re-done all of them, since the original files were copied from
> another manual, but when I open the documents again, I get the messages
> again. None of the files have been moved. I have been printing .ps files
> in order to create PDFs of the book. (Somehow that seems to have
> something to do with the problem.) The links in the PDF files are fine,
> and the page numbers are correct.
>
>
>
> Any idea what's happening here?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Debbie Layton
>
> Technical Writer
> Customer Publications
> 503.582.6822
> debbie.layton at xerox.com
>
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Re: Plug for Imposition

[Stuart Rogers]

On 20/07/2010 12:09 AM, Whites wrote:

Howdy Framers -

Anyone know of a plugin that does imposition on Frame files??

TIA

Will White


It's easier to do imposition in the PDF stream rather than in Frame. 
Quite Imposing is often recommended, but is fairly pricey.  I use 
Clickbook from Blue Squirrel for my very limited needs; it's only $50 
(but it does not handle EPS graphics).


HTH,

--
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Phoenix Geophysics Limited
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Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
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RE: Consolidated index - more

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OK, so, I played around a bit more. I hope the following makes sense to
you.

To recap: the book file from which I'm generating the index contains
around 200 files and a book file, thus:

IOM (Index of Markers)
Files . . .
Book

This book file contains ordinary fm files and generated TOC, LOT, LOF
and IX files, thus:

Title
Preface
TOC
LOF
LOT
Files . . . 
IX

Now, I noticed that the TOC/LOF/LOT wodge consisted of 14 pages. So I
inserted a spurious index marker in the Preface (i.e. before the
generated wodge), and regenerated the consolidated book. Bingo, the
spurious index entry had the correct page number, and markers on pages
after the generated wodge produced numbers 14 adrift from reality, as
before.

The 21-page discrepancy between the reported number of pages of the
subsidiary book in the consolidated file and the subsidiary book file is
accounted for by all the generated files, i.e. the front-wodge and the
IX file. And when I generate a PDF, the generated files in the
subsidiary book are ignored.

I can only assume that when one generates a book containing a book (so
to speak), Frame ignores the generated files in the contained book, for
some reason. 

My quick-and-dirty will be to temporarily insert a 14-page file in the
subsidiary book to pad it out. Anyone have any further thoughts?

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Re: Flakey cross references

[Writer]

Is there any hidden conditionalized text? That could cause the message.

Did you do a search on unresolved cross-ref?

Nadine

On 19/07/2010 7:47 PM, Layton, Debbie wrote:

I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 on XP Professional. I've got a book with about
11 chapters in it.



I continue to get unresolved cross reference messages. I have gone in
and re-done all of them, since the original files were copied from
another manual, but when I open the documents again, I get the messages
again. None of the files have been moved. I have been printing .ps files
in order to create PDFs of the book. (Somehow that seems to have
something to do with the problem.) The links in the PDF files are fine,
and the page numbers are correct.



Any idea what's happening here?



Thanks!



Debbie Layton

Technical Writer
Customer Publications
503.582.6822
debbie.lay...@xerox.com



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Preventing a text frame from containing text from next page

[Dick Spierings]

Hi Verner,

 

To make sure you always start at the top of a new page (your rear page)
you can use a first paragraph style (preceding your markers) that always
starts on top of a page. This forces the paragraph (and all subsequent
paragraphs) to move to the rear page (in your case).

 

In the Paragraph Designer (CTRL-M) you will find a tab or icon named
'pagination'. Click that and you will see a dropdown list named 'start'.
Default setting is 'anywhere'; change that to 'top of page' to make that
paragraph style to always start on top of a (new) page. If this new
style causes a line feed on top of the rear page that you do not want,
you can also change the format to 'run-in-head-default punctuation'. 

 

Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,

 

Dick Spierings

 

' +31 (0)413 343786

"  www.fluidwell.com  

* d.spieri...@fluidwell.com 

 

 

 

Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 16:48:30 +0200

From: "Andersen, Verner Engell VEA" 

To: "FrameMaker discussion list (omsys) (FrameMaker discussion list

  (omsys))"   , 

Subject: Preventing a text frame from containing text from next page

Message-ID:

 


  

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

 

Hi

The right text frame on my cover page contains a list of markers
(chapter titles)

 

When I update the book the text from the next page (rear cover) is
displayed in the right text frame of the cover page. 

 

How do I prevent my front and rear page texts to mix?

 

Best regards

 

Verner



 

 

Radiometer Medical ApS

Akandevej 21

2700 Bronshoj

Denmark

Phone: +45 38 27 38 27

CVR: 27 50 91 85

www.radiometer.com

 

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Flakey cross references

[Layton, Debbie]

I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 on XP Professional. I've got a book with about
11 chapters in it.

 

I continue to get unresolved cross reference messages. I have gone in
and re-done all of them, since the original files were copied from
another manual, but when I open the documents again, I get the messages
again. None of the files have been moved. I have been printing .ps files
in order to create PDFs of the book. (Somehow that seems to have
something to do with the problem.) The links in the PDF files are fine,
and the page numbers are correct. 

 

Any idea what's happening here?

 

Thanks!

 

Debbie Layton

Technical Writer
Customer Publications
503.582.6822
debbie.lay...@xerox.com

 

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RE: Plug for Imposition

[Jacob Schäffer]

Create a PDF and then use Quite Imposing.

/Jacob

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Howdy Framers -

Anyone know of a plugin that does imposition on Frame files??

TIA

Will White



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