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Modifying color defintions in Framemaker 7.0

2011-03-28 Thread Garnier Garnier
Hi listers,
 
I am facing inconsistent color definition issues and have tried all the 
solutions provided by the listers and others on the Web. Nothing could resolve 
the issue. I now want to know how do I change the color definitions? In the 
color definitions dialog the Add and Delete options are disabled so am not able 
to modify or delete the defective color. Any suggestions? 
 
TIA
 
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RE: Missing text insets that aren't missing

2011-03-28 Thread LG Lists
Well, after who knows how many unbillable hours, my book is finally clean.
I found that at least two text insets and one chapter that didn't have
insets were causing the odd unresolved text inset problems.
 
After meticulously recreating every offending chapter (about four in total)
and text inset (just two), I've gotten everything cleared up.
 
It's not been fun, but it's been a learning experience. I still don't know
what really caused the problems, but I guess I need to be more careful and
use new, pristine files when I create a new book.
 

~
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From: Alison Craig [mailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com] 
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:15 AM
To: LG Lists; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Missing text insets that aren't missing



Under different circumstances I've had the same problem (unstructured FM9,
all patched on Windows 7).

 

To get rid of the unresolved text inset complaints, I completely deleted the
all text insets in the relevant files, including the paragraph tags to which
they were attached. Then I reinserted the P tags and text insets. That did
the trick for me.

 

The P tag issue was important as I found that deleting all the text insets -
without reinserting them - then updating the files still resulted in
complaints about unresolved text insets. I have no idea why this would be.

 

Alison 

 


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Subject: Missing text insets that aren't missing

 

All,

 

FM 8 (unstructured)

Win XP

 

I've created a book by copying over the files from another similar book,
renaming the book, TOC, and IX files, then changing the text to suit the new
book. 

 

Both the original book and the new one use lots of text insets. In the new
book, I've replaced every text inset from a new location. When I create an
LOR, all the insets are coming from the correct folder. When I search for
unresolved text insets, I find none.

 

But, when I update the book, 3 files always come up with unresolved text
insets. I notice that the book errors show a path to the original file for
the old book for these 3 files, but I can't find anything pointing to that
folder. 

 

When I open the 3 files, no error messages about unresolved text insets.

 

I've tried the following:

 

*   I opened one file as a mif and searched for the old folder/book file
name. I found just one instance in an xref. I didn't think that was the
cause of this. 

*   Created a whole new book file, added the chapters, updated, same
unresolved text inset messages after updating. 

*   Washed all files via MIF. No change.



*   Opened a blank file, copied all of a chapter into it, and updated
with the newly created chapter. No change. 

Anyone know where FM is storing the old folder/book name information and how
to expunge it? Of course, I'm on a deadline.

 

Thanks!!

 

~
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RE: Slightly OT: CE guidelines for organizing, formatting documentation

2011-03-28 Thread Anthony Davey
Hi Brian,

It's a long time since I looked at any of the British Standards for technical 
documentation, but what I saw was teaching grandma to suck eggs.  The BSs 
should now comply with European standards, so if you want to Goo.., sorry, 
'search for' the British versions these are likely to be the most relevant to 
your work.

BS 4884 - Technical manuals
Part 1 : 1992 - Specification for the presentation of essential information
Part 2 : 1993 - Guide to content
Part 3 : 1992 - Guide to presentation

BS 4899 - User's requirements for technical manuals (based on BS 4884)
Part 1 : 1991 - Content
Part 2 : 1992 - Presentation

BS 7137 : 1989 - User documentation and cover information for consumer software 
packages (= ISO 9127 : 1988)

BS 7649 : 1993 - Guide to: The design and preparation of documentation for 
users of application software

BS 7830 : 1996 - Guide to: The design and preparation of on-screen 
documentation for users of application software (complementary to BS 7649)

ISO/IEC GUIDE 37:1996

And these European Directives:

Product Liability Directive 85/374/EEC

General Product Safety Directive

Electrical Equipment (LVD) 73/23/EEC

Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) 89/336/EEC

Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) 92/31/EEC

Best regards,
Ant

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I'm trying to find formatting and organization guidelines, standards, or even 
templates for manuals that document CE-compliant 
products sold in the EU. Does anyone know where I can find these guidelines or 
standards, if they even exist?

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Re: Slightly OT: CE guidelines for organizing, formatting documentation

2011-03-28 Thread Yves Barbion
There's also the European Machinery Directive:

http://www.tuvamerica.com/services/mechanical/md.pdf

Search for: 1.7.4. Instructions

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On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Anthony Davey anthony.da...@rssb.co.ukwrote:

 Hi Brian,

 It's a long time since I looked at any of the British Standards for
 technical documentation, but what I saw was teaching grandma to suck eggs.
  The BSs should now comply with European standards, so if you want to Goo..,
 sorry, 'search for' the British versions these are likely to be the most
 relevant to your work.

 BS 4884 - Technical manuals
 Part 1 : 1992 - Specification for the presentation of essential information
 Part 2 : 1993 - Guide to content
 Part 3 : 1992 - Guide to presentation

 BS 4899 - User's requirements for technical manuals (based on BS 4884)
 Part 1 : 1991 - Content
 Part 2 : 1992 - Presentation

 BS 7137 : 1989 - User documentation and cover information for consumer
 software packages (= ISO 9127 : 1988)

 BS 7649 : 1993 - Guide to: The design and preparation of documentation for
 users of application software

 BS 7830 : 1996 - Guide to: The design and preparation of on-screen
 documentation for users of application software (complementary to BS 7649)

 ISO/IEC GUIDE 37:1996

 And these European Directives:

 Product Liability Directive 85/374/EEC

 General Product Safety Directive

 Electrical Equipment (LVD) 73/23/EEC

 Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) 89/336/EEC

 Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) 92/31/EEC

 Best regards,
 Ant

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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Thomas Scalise
Esteemed colleagues,

A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word (docx) 
document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate folder 
from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are converting a 
number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would very much like 
to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.


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Re: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Shmuel Wolfson


  
  
Here a solution that David Creamer gave
(http://www.IDEAStraining.com):

"If the file is Word 2007 (and presumably 2010), you can make a copy
of the
file, change the extension from .docx to .zip.

Uncompress the zip and the graphics (Word optimized and originals)
will all
be in a media folder. (This works for PowerPoint 2007 too.)

I have not tried taking a Word 2003 file and saving it as 2007 to
process
this way, so I don't know if it will work or not."

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

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Esteemed colleagues,

A while back there was a technique noted on
  this forum for saving a Word (docx) document such that the art
  was automatically extracted into a separate folder from the
  text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are
  converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame
  templates and would very much like to have this technique in
  hand. Thanks in advance.



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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
I seem to remember something like renaming it as a zip file  using the 
extractor to unpack the files?


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To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Extracting art from Word docs

Esteemed colleagues,

A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word (docx) 
document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate folder 
from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are converting a 
number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would very much like 
to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.


Tom Scalise
Information Development Manager
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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Fred Ridder

Note that there's no particular reason why you need to make a copy of the file 
and change the extension. If you launch WinZip and choose Open, the dialog you 
see will display all file types (including .docx, .docm, and .dotx) by default. 
In other words, you can open the Word file directly from WinZip and then 
extract any of the content contained within the normally hidden folder 
structure. Extracting the graphics from the Word file does not change the 
contents of the Word file in any way. You'd have to explicitly delete (or add) 
files using the WinZip UI to change the file from Word's perspective; extract 
files is a completely non-destructive operation.
 
-Fred Ridder
 


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Subject: Re: Extracting art from Word docs
CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com


Here a solution that David Creamer gave (http://www.IDEAStraining.com):

If the file is Word 2007 (and presumably 2010), you can make a copy of the
file, change the extension from .docx to .zip.

Uncompress the zip and the graphics (Word optimized and originals) will all
be in a media folder. (This works for PowerPoint 2007 too.)

I have not tried taking a Word 2003 file and saving it as 2007 to process
this way, so I don't know if it will work or not.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 3/28/2011 4:01 PM, Thomas Scalise wrote: 






Esteemed colleagues,
 
A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word (docx) 
document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate folder 
from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are converting a 
number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would very much like 
to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.
 
 
Tom Scalise 
Information Development Manager
Office (561) 622-5416
Fax (561) 622-9938
thomas.scal...@crossmatch.com

 
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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Richard Melanson
I use Microsoft Photo Editor. You can simply select the graphic you
want, copy it and paste it into Photo Editor with no loss of quality and
you also have multiple formats to save it as out of Photo Editor. I use
this for Word XP, 2003, and 2007. Hope this helps.
Rick



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I seem to remember something like renaming it as a zip file  using the
extractor to unpack the files?



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Subject: Extracting art from Word docs



Esteemed colleagues,

 

A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word
(docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted into a
separate folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique?
We are converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame
templates and would very much like to have this technique in hand.
Thanks in advance.

 

 

Tom Scalise 

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Fax (561) 622-9938

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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Pinkham, Jim
I've found Lyn Eggleston's advice helpful also, particularly with our
Word 2003 docs: Extracting Images Embedded in Word Documents
http://http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/ss/extractword.ht
m  or (
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/ss/extractword.htm).



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Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:02 AM
To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Extracting art from Word docs



Esteemed colleagues,

 

A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word
(docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted into a
separate folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique?
We are converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame
templates and would very much like to have this technique in hand.
Thanks in advance.

 

 

Tom Scalise 

Information Development Manager

Office (561) 622-5416

Fax (561) 622-9938

thomas.scal...@crossmatch.com

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Re: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Scott Turner
It's very simple. When saving, select Save As... And select .html.

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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Thomas Scalise
Esteemed colleagues,

Again, your generosity and support are overwhelming. Thank you all for sharing 
the solution with us. We will save a lot of time.


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Re: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Bernard Gagne
Hi Thomas,
I've had to do this on a number of occasions and the method I prefer is to save 
the Word doc as an HTML file. Word then creates a separate folder where it 
places all the images, both re-scaled for web and original imported size. So 
mind which ones you choose.

Bernard Gagne




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Esteemed colleagues,
 
A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word (docx) 
document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate folder 
from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are converting a 
number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would very much like 
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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Anthony Davey
Save the doc as a Web page.  This produces a folder full of all the images.

Regards,
Ant

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Esteemed colleagues,

A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word (docx) 
document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate folder 
from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are converting a 
number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would very much like 
to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.


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FOLLOW UP RE: Slightly OT: CE guidelines for organizing, formatting documentation

2011-03-28 Thread Brian C. Keith

Thank you all for your assistance! So, in case anyone cares, after researching 
this, apparently I want the following documents:

* European Machinery 
Directivehttp://www.tuvamerica.com/services/mechanical/md.pdf 2006/42/EC, 
Annex I, Section 1.7.4. Instructions
* DIN, BS EN, or IEC 62079:2001 Preparation of instructions - Structuring, 
content and presentation

and

IEC 61082-1:2006-04 Preparation of documents used in electrotechnology

although this last document references many other documents, including IEC 
62079:2001.

-briank

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I'm trying to find formatting and organization guidelines, standards, or even 
templates for manuals that document CE-compliant products sold in the EU. Does 
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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Marguerite Krupp
Wish I'd known about this about a month ago!Two questions:Does the technique of changing the file extension to .zip require that the graphics be imported by reference, so they exist as separate files when unpacked?Using the MS Photo Editor, I get 96dpi files (IOW, screen captures), which are not adequate for my purposes.Thanks,Marguerite--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Richard Melanson rmelan...@spirecorp.com wrote:From: Richard Melanson rmelan...@spirecorp.comSubject: RE: Extracting art from Word docsTo: "Jeff Coatsworth" jeff.coatswo...@jonassoftware.com, framers@lists.frameusers.comDate: Monday, March 28, 2011, 10:31 AM

 
 

I use Microsoft Photo Editor. You can simply select the 
graphic you want, copy it and paste it into Photo Editor with no loss of quality 
and you also have multiple formats to save it as out of Photo Editor. I use this 
for Word XP, 2003, and 2007. Hope this helps.
Rick


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I seem to remember something like renaming it as a zip 
file  using the extractor to unpack the files?


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Esteemed colleagues, 
  
A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for 
saving a Word (docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted into 
a separate folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are 
converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would 
very much like to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance. 
  
  
Tom 
Scalise 
 
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622-5416 
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Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread David Boss
Save as Web page and you get a folder with all the graphics.

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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Fred Ridder

Marguerite Krupp wrote:

Does the technique of changing the file extension to .zip require 
that the graphics be imported by reference, so they exist as separate 
files when unpacked?

First, note that it is *not* necessary to change the filename extension. All 
that is necessary is to open it with a tool like WinZip that looks past the 
extension to see what's inside the file itself. 
 
Second, the word/media folder you will find inside the Word file will contain a 
graphic object for every graphic in the document whether it was pasted, 
inserted by reference, or embedded as an editable object. Graphics that are in 
a vector format (WMF, Visio objects, etc.) are in the word/media folder as .emf 
or .wmf objects, and raster graphics seem to be in .png format. I was just 
working on a document that had a mixture of pasted vector figures, pasted 
raster images, and embedded Visio drawing objects, and all of them were present 
in the word/media folder.
 
Third, if the graphics were imported by reference you'd already have spearate 
external files for each one, so there seems to be little point in extracting 
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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Fred Ridder

The WinZip technique only works for the new Microsoft Word formats (.docx, 
.docm, .dotx rather than .doc and .dot) that were introduced in Office 2007 and 
continued in Office 2010. These file formats all contain a collection of XML 
text files and graphics objects that have been zipped into a single wrapper. 
 
Word 2003 was still the era of the monolithic binary file format and Word 2003 
files *cannot* be opened with WinZip regardless of the filename extension. If 
you open a Word 2003 .doc file in Word 2007 or Word 2010 it will initially keep 
the file in compatibility mode, which is not the zip-type file. Even if you 
specifically save it in Word 2007 .docx format , it will not necessarily handle 
the graphics the same was as if it were a native Word 2007 file. All of which 
leaves you with the other two methods of extracting graphics if you are 
starting with a Word 2003 or older file. 
 
-Fred Ridder
 


Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:02:31 -0700
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; docu...@hotmail.com






Thanks for the good advice, Fred!
 
I'm with you on all but the last point. Unfortunately, this is one of those 
legacy docs that has a long and checkered history. It was originally done in 
PageMaker 6.5, and it was only through a series of gyrations and extractions 
that I got a Word doc at all. No source art files, nobody left to tell the tale!
 
I tried changing the extension, but I have only Word 2003 at work, and WinZip 
wouldn't buy it. Will have to try it at home with a more recent version, but I 
do see your point. Will try more maneuvers tomorrow.
 
This list is such a great resource! You've saved me enormous amounts of work so 
many times!
 
Thanks again,
Marguerite
 

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From: Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs
To: mkrupp...@yahoo.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 6:03 PM




Marguerite Krupp wrote:

Does the technique of changing the file extension to .zip require 
that the graphics be imported by reference, so they exist as separate 
files when unpacked?

First, note that it is *not* necessary to change the filename extension. All 
that is necessary is to open it with a tool like WinZip that looks past the 
extension to see what's inside the file itself. 
 
Second, the word/media folder you will find inside the Word file will contain a 
graphic object for every graphic in the document whether it was pasted, 
inserted by reference, or embedded as an editable object. Graphics that are in 
a vector format (WMF, Visio objects, etc.) are in the word/media folder as .emf 
or .wmf objects, and raster graphics seem to be in .png format. I was just 
working on a document that had a mixture of pasted vector figures, pasted 
raster images, and embedded Visio drawing objects, and all of them were present 
in the word/media folder.
 
Third, if the graphics were imported by reference you'd already have spearate 
external files for each one, so there seems to be little point in extracting 
another copy from the Word document.
 
-Fred Ridder  
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RE: F8 F9 to show catalog formats

2011-03-28 Thread McLean, Malcolm
Prompted by Steve Johnson (thx) - I should have noted:

FM9
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The dropdown is on the Status Bar - where the popup used to appear.


 
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RE: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Marguerite Krupp
Thanks for the good advice, Fred!
 
I'm with you on all but the last point. Unfortunately, this is one of those 
legacy docs that has a long and checkered history. It was originally done in 
PageMaker 6.5, and it was only through a series of gyrations and extractions 
that I got a Word doc at all. No source art files, nobody left to tell the tale!
 
I tried changing the extension, but I have only Word 2003 at work, and WinZip 
wouldn't buy it. Will have to try it at home with a more recent version, but I 
do see your point. Will try more maneuvers tomorrow.
 
This list is such a great resource! You've saved me enormous amounts of work so 
many times!
 
Thanks again,
Marguerite
 

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Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs
To: mkrupp...@yahoo.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 6:03 PM




Marguerite Krupp wrote:

Does the technique of changing the file extension to .zip require 
that the graphics be imported by reference, so they exist as separate 
files when unpacked?

First, note that it is *not* necessary to change the filename extension. All 
that is necessary is to open it with a tool like WinZip that looks past the 
extension to see what's inside the file itself. 
 
Second, the word/media folder you will find inside the Word file will contain a 
graphic object for every graphic in the document whether it was pasted, 
inserted by reference, or embedded as an editable object. Graphics that are in 
a vector format (WMF, Visio objects, etc.) are in the word/media folder as .emf 
or .wmf objects, and raster graphics seem to be in .png format. I was just 
working on a document that had a mixture of pasted vector figures, pasted 
raster images, and embedded Visio drawing objects, and all of them were present 
in the word/media folder.
 
Third, if the graphics were imported by reference you'd already have spearate 
external files for each one, so there seems to be little point in extracting 
another copy from the Word document.
 
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Modifying color defintions in Framemaker 7.0

2011-03-28 Thread Garnier Garnier
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Slightly OT: CE guidelines for organizing, formatting documentation

2011-03-28 Thread Anthony Davey
Hi Brian,

It's a long time since I looked at any of the British Standards for technical 
documentation, but what I saw was teaching grandma to suck eggs.  The BSs 
should now comply with European standards, so if you want to Goo.., sorry, 
'search for' the British versions these are likely to be the most relevant to 
your work.

BS 4884 - Technical manuals
Part 1 : 1992 - Specification for the presentation of essential information
Part 2 : 1993 - Guide to content
Part 3 : 1992 - Guide to presentation

BS 4899 - User's requirements for technical manuals (based on BS 4884)
Part 1 : 1991 - Content
Part 2 : 1992 - Presentation

BS 7137 : 1989 - User documentation and cover information for consumer software 
packages (= ISO 9127 : 1988)

BS 7649 : 1993 - Guide to: The design and preparation of documentation for 
users of application software

BS 7830 : 1996 - Guide to: The design and preparation of on-screen 
documentation for users of application software (complementary to BS 7649)

ISO/IEC GUIDE 37:1996

And these European Directives:

Product Liability Directive 85/374/EEC

General Product Safety Directive

Electrical Equipment (LVD) 73/23/EEC

Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) 89/336/EEC

Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) 92/31/EEC

Best regards,
Ant

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I'm trying to find formatting and organization guidelines, standards, or even 
templates for manuals that document CE-compliant 
products sold in the EU. Does anyone know where I can find these guidelines or 
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Slightly OT: CE guidelines for organizing, formatting documentation

2011-03-28 Thread Yves Barbion
There's also the European Machinery Directive:

http://www.tuvamerica.com/services/mechanical/md.pdf

Search for: 1.7.4. Instructions

Cheers


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On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:10 AM, Anthony Davey wrote:

> Hi Brian,
>
> It's a long time since I looked at any of the British Standards for
> technical documentation, but what I saw was teaching grandma to suck eggs.
>  The BSs should now comply with European standards, so if you want to Goo..,
> sorry, 'search for' the British versions these are likely to be the most
> relevant to your work.
>
> BS 4884 - Technical manuals
> Part 1 : 1992 - Specification for the presentation of essential information
> Part 2 : 1993 - Guide to content
> Part 3 : 1992 - Guide to presentation
>
> BS 4899 - User's requirements for technical manuals (based on BS 4884)
> Part 1 : 1991 - Content
> Part 2 : 1992 - Presentation
>
> BS 7137 : 1989 - User documentation and cover information for consumer
> software packages (= ISO 9127 : 1988)
>
> BS 7649 : 1993 - Guide to: The design and preparation of documentation for
> users of application software
>
> BS 7830 : 1996 - Guide to: The design and preparation of on-screen
> documentation for users of application software (complementary to BS 7649)
>
> ISO/IEC GUIDE 37:1996
>
> And these European Directives:
>
> Product Liability Directive 85/374/EEC
>
> General Product Safety Directive
>
> Electrical Equipment (LVD) 73/23/EEC
>
> Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) 89/336/EEC
>
> Electromagnetic Compatibility (EMC) 92/31/EEC
>
> Best regards,
> Ant
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Slightly OT: CE guidelines for organizing, formatting
> documentation
>
> I'm trying to find formatting and organization guidelines, standards, or
> even templates for manuals that document CE-compliant
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> or standards, if they even exist?
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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Thomas Scalise
Esteemed colleagues,

A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word (docx) 
document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate folder 
from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are converting a 
number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would very much like 
to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.


Tom Scalise
Information Development Manager
Office (561) 622-5416
Fax (561) 622-9938
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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Jeff Coatsworth
I seem to remember something like renaming it as a zip file & using the 
extractor to unpack the files?


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Subject: Extracting art from Word docs

Esteemed colleagues,

A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word (docx) 
document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate folder 
from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are converting a 
number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would very much like 
to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.


Tom Scalise
Information Development Manager
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Fax (561) 622-9938
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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Fred Ridder

Note that there's no particular reason why you need to make a copy of the file 
and change the extension. If you launch WinZip and choose Open, the dialog you 
see will display all file types (including .docx, .docm, and .dotx) by default. 
In other words, you can open the Word file directly from WinZip and then 
extract any of the content contained within the normally hidden folder 
structure. Extracting the graphics from the Word file does not change the 
contents of the Word file in any way. You'd have to explicitly delete (or add) 
files using the WinZip UI to change the file from Word's perspective; "extract 
files" is a completely non-destructive operation.

-Fred Ridder



Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:16:21 +0200
From: shmue...@gmail.com
To: Thomas.Scalise at CrossMatch.com
Subject: Re: Extracting art from Word docs
CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com


Here a solution that David Creamer gave (http://www.IDEAStraining.com):

"If the file is Word 2007 (and presumably 2010), you can make a copy of the
file, change the extension from .docx to .zip.

Uncompress the zip and the graphics (Word optimized and originals) will all
be in a media folder. (This works for PowerPoint 2007 too.)

I have not tried taking a Word 2003 file and saving it as 2007 to process
this way, so I don't know if it will work or not."

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133

On 3/28/2011 4:01 PM, Thomas Scalise wrote: 






Esteemed colleagues,

A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word (docx) 
document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate folder 
from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are converting a 
number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would very much like 
to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.


Tom Scalise 
Information Development Manager
Office (561) 622-5416
Fax (561) 622-9938
thomas.scalise at crossmatch.com


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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Richard Melanson
I use Microsoft Photo Editor. You can simply select the graphic you
want, copy it and paste it into Photo Editor with no loss of quality and
you also have multiple formats to save it as out of Photo Editor. I use
this for Word XP, 2003, and 2007. Hope this helps.
Rick



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I seem to remember something like renaming it as a zip file & using the
extractor to unpack the files?



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Thomas
Scalise
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:02 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Extracting art from Word docs



Esteemed colleagues,



A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word
(docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted into a
separate folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique?
We are converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame
templates and would very much like to have this technique in hand.
Thanks in advance.





Tom Scalise 

Information Development Manager

Office (561) 622-5416

Fax (561) 622-9938

thomas.scalise at crossmatch.com

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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Pinkham, Jim
I've found Lyn Eggleston's advice helpful also, particularly with our
Word 2003 docs: Extracting Images Embedded in Word Documents
<http://http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/ss/extractword.ht
m>  or (
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/aboutgraphics/ss/extractword.htm).



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Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 9:02 AM
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Extracting art from Word docs



Esteemed colleagues,



A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word
(docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted into a
separate folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique?
We are converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame
templates and would very much like to have this technique in hand.
Thanks in advance.





Tom Scalise 

Information Development Manager

Office (561) 622-5416

Fax (561) 622-9938

thomas.scalise at crossmatch.com

  <http://www.crossmatch.com/> 




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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Scott Turner
It's very simple. When saving, select Save As... And select .html.

Scott

On Mar 28, 2011, at 9:01, Thomas Scalise  
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> Esteemed colleagues,
> 
>  
> 
> A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word 
> (docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate 
> folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are 
> converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would 
> very much like to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Tom Scalise
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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Thomas Scalise
Esteemed colleagues,

Again, your generosity and support are overwhelming. Thank you all for sharing 
the solution with us. We will save a lot of time.


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F8 & F9 to show catalog formats

2011-03-28 Thread McLean, Malcolm
When I press F8 / F9 I see a dropdown in which I can type the first few
letters of the format I want to apply.

However, I used to see a popup list of catalog formats, and I cannot
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the Preferences/Interface with no avail.

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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Bernard Gagne
Hi Thomas,
I've had to do this on a number of occasions and the method I prefer is to save 
the Word doc as an HTML file. Word then creates a separate folder where it 
places all the images, both re-scaled for web and original imported size. So 
mind which ones you choose.

Bernard Gagne




From: Thomas Scalise <thomas.scal...@crossmatch.com>
To: "'framers at lists.frameusers.com'" 
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:01:52 AM
Subject: Extracting art from Word docs



Esteemed colleagues,
?
A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word (docx) 
document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate folder 
from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are converting a 
number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would very much like 
to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.
?
?
Tom Scalise
Information Development Manager
Office (561) 622-5416
Fax (561) 622-9938
thomas.scalise at crossmatch.com
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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Anthony Davey
Save the doc as a Web page.  This produces a folder full of all the images.

Regards,
Ant

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Scalise
Sent: 28 March 2011 15:02
To: 'framers at lists.frameusers.com'
Subject: Extracting art from Word docs

Esteemed colleagues,

A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for saving a Word (docx) 
document such that the art was automatically extracted into a separate folder 
from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are converting a 
number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would very much like 
to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance.


Tom Scalise
Information Development Manager
Office (561) 622-5416
Fax (561) 622-9938
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FOLLOW UP RE: Slightly OT: CE guidelines for organizing, formatting documentation

2011-03-28 Thread Brian C. Keith
Thank you all for your assistance! So, in case anyone cares, after researching 
this, apparently I want the following documents:

* European Machinery 
Directive<http://www.tuvamerica.com/services/mechanical/md.pdf> 2006/42/EC, 
Annex I, Section 1.7.4. Instructions
* DIN, BS EN, or IEC 62079:2001 Preparation of instructions - Structuring, 
content and presentation

and

IEC 61082-1:2006-04 Preparation of documents used in electrotechnology

although this last document references many other documents, including IEC 
62079:2001.

-briank

-Original Message-
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Sent: 25 March 2011 18:07
To:framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Slightly OT: CE guidelines for organizing, formatting documentation

I'm trying to find formatting and organization guidelines, standards, or even 
templates for manuals that document CE-compliant products sold in the EU. Does 
anyone know where I can find these guidelines or standards, if they even exist?

-briank


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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Marguerite Krupp
Wish I'd known about this about a month ago!

Two questions:

Does the technique of changing the file extension to .zip require that the 
graphics be imported by reference, so they exist as separate files when 
unpacked?
Using the MS Photo Editor, I get 96dpi files (IOW, screen captures), which are 
not adequate for my purposes.
Thanks,
Marguerite


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Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs
To: "Jeff Coatsworth" , framers at 
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Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 10:31 AM





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I use Microsoft Photo Editor. You can simply select the 
graphic you want, copy it and paste it into Photo Editor with no loss of 
quality 
and you also have multiple formats to save it as out of Photo Editor. I use 
this 
for Word XP, 2003, and 2007. Hope this helps.
Rick



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I seem to remember something like renaming it as a zip 
file & using the extractor to unpack the files?



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Esteemed colleagues, 
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A while back there was a technique noted on this forum for 
saving a Word (docx) document such that the art was automatically extracted 
into 
a separate folder from the text. Can anyone help me with this technique? We are 
converting a number of art-rich Word docs into our Frame templates and would 
very much like to have this technique in hand. Thanks in advance. 
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Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread David Boss
Save as Web page and you get a folder with all the graphics.

David

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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Fred Ridder

Marguerite Krupp wrote:

>Does the technique of changing the file extension to .zip require 
>that the graphics be imported by reference, so they exist as separate 
>files when unpacked?

First, note that it is *not* necessary to change the filename extension. All 
that is necessary is to open it with a tool like WinZip that looks past the 
extension to see what's inside the file itself. 

Second, the word/media folder you will find inside the Word file will contain a 
graphic object for every graphic in the document whether it was pasted, 
inserted by reference, or embedded as an editable object. Graphics that are in 
a vector format (WMF, Visio objects, etc.) are in the word/media folder as .emf 
or .wmf objects, and raster graphics seem to be in .png format. I was just 
working on a document that had a mixture of pasted vector figures, pasted 
raster images, and embedded Visio drawing objects, and all of them were present 
in the word/media folder.

Third, if the graphics were imported by reference you'd already have spearate 
external files for each one, so there seems to be little point in extracting 
another copy from the Word document.

-Fred Ridder  
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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Fred Ridder

The WinZip technique only works for the new Microsoft Word formats (.docx, 
.docm, .dotx rather than .doc and .dot) that were introduced in Office 2007 and 
continued in Office 2010. These file formats all contain a collection of XML 
text files and graphics objects that have been zipped into a single wrapper. 

Word 2003 was still the era of the monolithic binary file format and Word 2003 
files *cannot* be opened with WinZip regardless of the filename extension. If 
you open a Word 2003 .doc file in Word 2007 or Word 2010 it will initially keep 
the file in "compatibility mode", which is not the zip-type file. Even if you 
specifically save it in Word 2007 .docx format , it will not necessarily handle 
the graphics the same was as if it were a native Word 2007 file. All of which 
leaves you with the other two methods of extracting graphics if you are 
starting with a Word 2003 or older file. 

-Fred Ridder



Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 17:02:31 -0700
From: mkrupp...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; docudoc at hotmail.com






Thanks for the good advice, Fred!

I'm with you on all but the last point. Unfortunately, this is one of those 
legacy docs that has a long and checkered history. It was originally done in 
PageMaker 6.5, and it was only through a series of gyrations and extractions 
that I got a Word doc at all. No source art files, nobody left to tell the tale!

I tried changing the extension, but I have only Word 2003 at work, and WinZip 
wouldn't buy it. Will have to try it at home with a more recent version, but I 
do see your point. Will try more maneuvers tomorrow.

This list is such a great resource! You've saved me enormous amounts of work so 
many times!

Thanks again,
Marguerite


--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Fred Ridder  wrote:


From: Fred Ridder <docu...@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs
To: mkrupp128 at yahoo.com, framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 6:03 PM




Marguerite Krupp wrote:

>Does the technique of changing the file extension to .zip require 
>that the graphics be imported by reference, so they exist as separate 
>files when unpacked?

First, note that it is *not* necessary to change the filename extension. All 
that is necessary is to open it with a tool like WinZip that looks past the 
extension to see what's inside the file itself. 

Second, the word/media folder you will find inside the Word file will contain a 
graphic object for every graphic in the document whether it was pasted, 
inserted by reference, or embedded as an editable object. Graphics that are in 
a vector format (WMF, Visio objects, etc.) are in the word/media folder as .emf 
or .wmf objects, and raster graphics seem to be in .png format. I was just 
working on a document that had a mixture of pasted vector figures, pasted 
raster images, and embedded Visio drawing objects, and all of them were present 
in the word/media folder.

Third, if the graphics were imported by reference you'd already have spearate 
external files for each one, so there seems to be little point in extracting 
another copy from the Word document.

-Fred Ridder  

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F8 & F9 to show catalog formats

2011-03-28 Thread McLean, Malcolm
Prompted by Steve Johnson (thx) - I should have noted:

FM9
Win XP
3G of memory

The dropdown is on the Status Bar - where the popup used to appear.



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When I press F8 / F9 I see a dropdown in which I can type the first few
letters of the format I want to apply.

However, I used to see a popup list of catalog formats, and I cannot
figure out what I have done to make the UI change from the popup to the
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the Preferences/Interface with no avail.

What do I need to do to see the popup again?

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Extracting art from Word docs

2011-03-28 Thread Marguerite Krupp
Thanks for the good advice, Fred!
?
I'm with you on all but the last point. Unfortunately, this is one of those 
legacy docs that has a long and checkered history. It was originally done in 
PageMaker 6.5, and it was only through a series of gyrations and extractions 
that I got a Word doc at all. No source art files, nobody left to tell the tale!
?
I tried changing the extension, but I have only Word 2003 at work, and WinZip 
wouldn't buy it. Will have to try it at home with a more recent version, but I 
do see your point. Will try more maneuvers tomorrow.
?
This list is such a great resource! You've saved me enormous amounts of work so 
many times!
?
Thanks again,
Marguerite
?

--- On Mon, 3/28/11, Fred Ridder  wrote:


From: Fred Ridder <docu...@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Extracting art from Word docs
To: mkrupp128 at yahoo.com, framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 6:03 PM




Marguerite Krupp wrote:

>Does the technique of changing the file extension to .zip require 
>that the graphics be imported by reference, so they exist as separate 
>files when unpacked?

First, note that it is *not* necessary to change the filename extension. All 
that is necessary is to open it with a tool like WinZip that looks past the 
extension to see what's inside the file itself. 
?
Second, the word/media folder you will find inside the Word file will contain a 
graphic object for every graphic in the document whether it was pasted, 
inserted by reference, or embedded as an editable object. Graphics that are in 
a vector format (WMF, Visio objects, etc.) are in the word/media folder as .emf 
or .wmf objects, and raster graphics?seem to be in .png format. I was just 
working on a document that had a mixture of pasted vector figures, pasted 
raster images, and embedded Visio drawing objects, and all of them were present 
in the word/media folder.
?
Third, if the graphics were imported by reference you'd already have?spearate 
external files for each one, so there seems to be little point in extracting 
another copy from the Word document.
?
-Fred Ridder??
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