Re: progressindication.swf in the FM10 installation directory

2012-12-12 Thread Roman Banks 
Hi Richard,
 
Thank you for your response! I think you are right. :-)
 
In any case, when Framemaker becomes irresponsive while performing something, 
I would like to know if it crashed miserably or just became 
temporarily irresponsive. There is no way to discover that rather than sit 
and wait. Therefore, I think that in such cases, after a certain timeout, FM 
must issue a message describing the status of the action being performed or, 
alternatively, show a progress bar.
 
So, after I came across the progressindication.swf file, I wondered if it is 
used by Framemaker at all. I've never seen contexts in which this progress bar 
is used by Framemaker.
 
Kind regards,
Roman

From: "Combs, Richard" 
To: Roman Banks ; "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: progressindication.swf in the FM10 installation directory

Roman Banks wrote:

> Sometimes, when Framemaker performs a lengthy and time-consuming
> operation, I get the "Framemaker (Not Responding)" message, even if it
> does not get stuck completely. I think, using a progress bar instead of
> this stupid and misleading message would be more appropriate. When
> seeing this message, an inexperienced user may just try to exit
> Framemaker instead of waiting a bit longer.

I'm guessing that you're running Windows 7 and that "Framemaker (Not 
Responding)" appears in the title bar of the FM window. That's not a message 
from FM, it's from the OS. 

IMO, Win 7 is far too quick to pull the trigger on the "Not Responding" message 
when an application takes more than a (very) few seconds to respond to input. 
I've seen that message for several other apps, including Outlook, Word, and 
Acrobat. 

Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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Re: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Robert Lauriston 
It means that some of the documents in a book are set to show
condition indicators (change bars / underline / text color / whatever)
and some aren't.

The way FM's conditional text is implemented is complicated and confusing.
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RE: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Craig Ede 

It usually means that one or more of the files in a book are not set to "Show 
All" condition indications. (This even happens if there are now conditional 
text formats defined in any of the files.) I routinely set things to with Show 
All checked in each file to avoid this. Craig
 > From: rsh...@iafrica.com
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:10:33 +0200
> 
> Dear Framers:
> I would love to know what this message means.
> Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun would
> indicate no.
> (I do not use conditional text).
> Or does this refer to a condition which is set.
> Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
> The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to go to
> Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special. 
> There is such a total disconnect between the messages which the engineers
> write and the manual, such as it is.
> None of these terms are found.
> 
> IN addition to my earlier post I am writing FM in master book and child book
> mode.
> 
> I have spent the whole day on this.
> 
> Rob Shell
> Windows Seven
> FrameMaker 9 patched
> 4 GB RAM
> 3 TB hd
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FrameMaker 11 – Stability / Crashing on Save.. Help

2012-12-12 Thread Simon Thomson 
Hi All,

Recently updated to Adobe FrameMaker 11 (within TCS4, which was an upgrade to 
my existing TCS 2.5) and all was going well, kind of - until now.

Now with my current project due to be uploaded at the translators asap – a 
small Technical Overview publication, consisting of  11 files (Covers/ .fm’s/ 
.toc, book & 30 images >190 Mb total) – it’s crashing on demand (almost). 
Thankfully I can re-create it with minimal effort.

The crash hasn’t happened on any other projects, but to be honest I haven’t 
tested that – though the project in question Crashes on another FM11 pc..  
conclusion – it’s the content/files for that project, right?

The CRASH – usually happens at/during saving a document you’ve Imported Formats 
into, (All formats or even just Page Layouts) from a corresponding file 
contained in the same book.

So who has had experience of any Crashes using FM 11 (and fixed it) lol?

Or more specifically has anyone had experience of a FM  Project (publication) 
repeatedly Crashing during Save or just after Import Formats; Page Layouts then 
Saving using the Save button.. any one?

I can’t help think it’s related to the Track Text Edits (TT), MaterPage 
formation, Variables &/or Conditional text, I had to create ‘on fly’ for this 
urgent Tech Overview in 4 days from my master set of original FM9 files..  (The 
FM9 utilised files, were opened directly with FM 11, saved as into a new 
project folder, added to a new book created in FM11 then all edited updated 
(with TT on where required) and published as Pdf).

So the way I see there’s 2 options going forward;


1.   Contact support again, and start the (painful) process of a support 
ticket with Adobe FM Support Desk, (correct)?
(As I have a collection of CRASH screen captures and FM crash logs to support 
the problem. I found it strange the 1st support staff didn’t review/ask for 
these?).

The problem with this is the content is confidential – can’t hand out.


2.   Or copy the project, and purge all the files of all functionality, 
Cond. Text & TT Edits, Variables then transfer (copy & paste) the harmless 
text/graphic content into a fresh/clean FM 11 made file, that contains new 
‘hand made’ (not imported Masterpages) and then format all again 
(Conditions/Variables etc), then build & test the project again (40+ pages).  
Joy..

Or is there an easy way, please let there be..

Thanks in advanced..
Sim

Running Dell Precision Workstation M4300 (I7, 4GB Ram & 106 GB free space)… 32 
bit.. and have both FM9 & FM 11 installed on same box. Thx









Many Thanks,
Simon

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RE: "Book is not self-consistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Harpreet Singh Seehra 
 The contents of generated files, the page count, or cross-references continued 
to change while generating and updating files in the book. For example, if a 
book contains both a list of markers and an alphabetical list of markers, and 
if both contain hypertext links, the number of markers grows each time the 
files are generated. If this happens, move one of the generated lists out of 
the Include scroll list when you use the Generate/Update command again.

Regards
Harpreet
Adobe Systems

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rob Shell
Sent: 12 December 2012 19:41
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: "Book is not self-consistent"

Hi Framers:
I am getting this message
"Book is not self-consistent"
Upon generation of indexes and TOC of an unstructured document (9,350 pp).
I have found Verner's post of 2009 in which he claims that all he had to do was 
to "disable track changes" to solve the problem.
This did not work for me.  I wonder if anyone else has had the same problem.
The Adobe forum opines that this is a result of a circular referent within the 
document so that FM can never catch up with the indexing.
I have looked for all such possible solutions, but am still getting the same 
message.
Any help appreciated.
Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 11 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd








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RE: Cross-reference to a previous file

2012-12-12 Thread David Artman 
|From: Lin Sims 
|Date: Tue, December 11, 2012 8:20 pm
|
|Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by
|using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that
|you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it
|beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that
|way, too).

Lin, wouldn't that make it into a link, after PDFing? I'm assuming that
one wants other xrefs to be live links and so one leaves that option
checked in PDF Settings. If xrefs aren't automatically being made into
links, that would work fine.

Roger, can't you use the Volume value at the book level on the files(s)
and then use that building block in the H/F? Or have you already used
that building block for other purposes?

As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use
MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of
those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the
H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another
blank file or in your main template) to apply "major" Variables and the
part-level blank file to apply "minor" variables afterwards. Kind of
manual, but not nearly so much as other methods.

[I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as
books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties
(Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the "Chapter"
values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and
then "Section" would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the
book-in-book.]

HTH;
David
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Re: Cross-reference to a previous file

2012-12-12 Thread Robert Lauriston 
Another way to work around that is to consolidate everything into a single file.

On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Current file only, unless that's changed with FM11 (and I doubt it).
>
> Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by
> using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that
> you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it
> beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that
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"Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Shmuel Wolfson 
It means one of two things:

1. The conditions that are *selected* to be viewed in each file are not 
the same throughout the book. (Even if you do not apply the conditions 
to any text, there still can be conditions defined in the file.)

2. You have conditions that are defined in some, but not all, files.

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


On 12-Dec-12 7:10 PM, Rob Shell wrote:
> Dear Framers:
> I would love to know what this message means.
> Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun would
> indicate no.
> (I do not use conditional text).
> Or does this refer to a condition which is set.
> Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
> The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to go to
> Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special.
> There is such a total disconnect between the messages which the engineers
> write and the manual, such as it is.
> None of these terms are found.
>
> IN addition to my earlier post I am writing FM in master book and child book
> mode.
>
> I have spent the whole day on this.
>
> Rob Shell
> Windows Seven
> FrameMaker 9 patched
> 4 GB RAM
> 3 TB hd
>
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"Book is not self-consistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Harpreet Singh Seehra 
 The contents of generated files, the page count, or cross-references continued 
to change while generating and updating files in the book. For example, if a 
book contains both a list of markers and an alphabetical list of markers, and 
if both contain hypertext links, the number of markers grows each time the 
files are generated. If this happens, move one of the generated lists out of 
the Include scroll list when you use the Generate/Update command again.

Regards
Harpreet
Adobe Systems

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rob Shell
Sent: 12 December 2012 19:41
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: "Book is not self-consistent"

Hi Framers:
I am getting this message
"Book is not self-consistent"
Upon generation of indexes and TOC of an unstructured document (9,350 pp).
I have found Verner's post of 2009 in which he claims that all he had to do was 
to "disable track changes" to solve the problem.
This did not work for me.  I wonder if anyone else has had the same problem.
The Adobe forum opines that this is a result of a circular referent within the 
document so that FM can never catch up with the indexing.
I have looked for all such possible solutions, but am still getting the same 
message.
Any help appreciated.
Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 11 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd








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"Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Rob Shell 
Dear Framers:
I would love to know what this message means.
Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun would
indicate no.
(I do not use conditional text).
Or does this refer to a condition which is set.
Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to go to
Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special. 
There is such a total disconnect between the messages which the engineers
write and the manual, such as it is.
None of these terms are found.

IN addition to my earlier post I am writing FM in master book and child book
mode.

I have spent the whole day on this.

Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 9 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd

FrameMaker 11 – Stability / Crashing on Save.. Help

2012-12-12 Thread Simon Thomson 
Hi All,

Recently updated to Adobe FrameMaker 11 (within TCS4, which was an upgrade to 
my existing TCS 2.5) and all was going well, kind of - until now.

Now with my current project due to be uploaded at the translators asap ? a 
small Technical Overview publication, consisting of  11 files (Covers/ .fm?s/ 
.toc, book & 30 images >190 Mb total) ? it?s crashing on demand (almost). 
Thankfully I can re-create it with minimal effort.

The crash hasn?t happened on any other projects, but to be honest I haven?t 
tested that ? though the project in question Crashes on another FM11 pc..  
conclusion ? it?s the content/files for that project, right?

The CRASH ? usually happens at/during saving a document you?ve Imported Formats 
into, (All formats or even just Page Layouts) from a corresponding file 
contained in the same book.

So who has had experience of any Crashes using FM 11 (and fixed it) lol?

Or more specifically has anyone had experience of a FM  Project (publication) 
repeatedly Crashing during Save or just after Import Formats; Page Layouts then 
Saving using the Save button.. any one?

I can?t help think it?s related to the Track Text Edits (TT), MaterPage 
formation, Variables &/or Conditional text, I had to create ?on fly? for this 
urgent Tech Overview in 4 days from my master set of original FM9 files..  (The 
FM9 utilised files, were opened directly with FM 11, saved as into a new 
project folder, added to a new book created in FM11 then all edited updated 
(with TT on where required) and published as Pdf).

So the way I see there?s 2 options going forward;


1.   Contact support again, and start the (painful) process of a support 
ticket with Adobe FM Support Desk, (correct)?
(As I have a collection of CRASH screen captures and FM crash logs to support 
the problem. I found it strange the 1st support staff didn?t review/ask for 
these?).

The problem with this is the content is confidential ? can?t hand out.


2.   Or copy the project, and purge all the files of all functionality, 
Cond. Text & TT Edits, Variables then transfer (copy & paste) the harmless 
text/graphic content into a fresh/clean FM 11 made file, that contains new 
?hand made? (not imported Masterpages) and then format all again 
(Conditions/Variables etc), then build & test the project again (40+ pages).  
Joy..

Or is there an easy way, please let there be..

Thanks in advanced..
Sim

Running Dell Precision Workstation M4300 (I7, 4GB Ram & 106 GB free space)? 32 
bit.. and have both FM9 & FM 11 installed on same box. Thx









Many Thanks,
Simon

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Technical Writer
Rapiscan Systems
X-Ray House, Bonehurst Road,
Salfords, Surrey.
RH1 5GG,
 United Kingdom (UK)

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"Book is not self-consistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Rob Shell 
Hi Framers:
I am getting this message
"Book is not self-consistent"
Upon generation of indexes and TOC of an unstructured document (9,350 pp).
I have found Verner's post of 2009 in which he claims that all he had to do
was to "disable track changes" to solve the problem.
This did not work for me.  I wonder if anyone else has had the same problem.
The Adobe forum opines that this is a result of a circular referent within
the document so that FM can never catch up with the indexing.
I have looked for all such possible solutions, but am still getting the same
message.
Any help appreciated.
Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 11 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd

"Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Fred Ridder 

Sorry, Shmuel, but this is not correct.

In the first case you describe, the message you would see is something like 
"Show/hide rules are inconsistent".

The second case that you describe is not an error condition and does not 
produce any warning message. There is absolutely no requirement that all the 
components of a book must have the same set of conditions defined. I have many 
books where the generated files and certain "boilerplate" files that are common 
to multiple books contain *no* condition definitions while some of the 
component files have a dozen or more conditions. Requiring identitcal condition 
sets would impose unreasonable restrictions on the ability to use shared files 
in multiple books.

What the message in question actually means is that there is at least one 
condition that is defined in two or more files where the *indication* options 
(the text color and underlining/strikethrough options and/or the "use condition 
indicator" toggle) are not identical. The message is warning you that the same 
condition may be highlighted differently (or not be highlighted at all) across 
all of the files in the book. The issue is easy to fix by importing the 
conditional text formatting properties from one file to all the other files in 
the book.

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:57:07 +0200
> From: shmuelw1 at gmail.com
> To: rshell at iafrica.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"
> 
> It means one of two things:
> 
> 1. The conditions that are *selected* to be viewed in each file are not 
> the same throughout the book. (Even if you do not apply the conditions 
> to any text, there still can be conditions defined in the file.)
> 
> 2. You have conditions that are defined in some, but not all, files.
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
> 
> 
> On 12-Dec-12 7:10 PM, Rob Shell wrote:
> > Dear Framers:
> > I would love to know what this message means.
> > Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun would
> > indicate no.
> > (I do not use conditional text).
> > Or does this refer to a condition which is set.
> > Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
> > The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to go to
> > Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special.
> > There is such a total disconnect between the messages which the engineers
> > write and the manual, such as it is.
> > None of these terms are found.
> >
> > IN addition to my earlier post I am writing FM in master book and child book
> > mode.
> >
> > I have spent the whole day on this.
> >
> > Rob Shell
> > Windows Seven
> > FrameMaker 9 patched
> > 4 GB RAM
> > 3 TB hd
> >
> >
> >
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"Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Craig Ede 

It usually means that one or more of the files in a book are not set to "Show 
All" condition indications. (This even happens if there are now conditional 
text formats defined in any of the files.) I routinely set things to with Show 
All checked in each file to avoid this. Craig
 > From: rshell at iafrica.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:10:33 +0200
> 
> Dear Framers:
> I would love to know what this message means.
> Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun would
> indicate no.
> (I do not use conditional text).
> Or does this refer to a condition which is set.
> Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
> The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to go to
> Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special. 
> There is such a total disconnect between the messages which the engineers
> write and the manual, such as it is.
> None of these terms are found.
> 
> IN addition to my earlier post I am writing FM in master book and child book
> mode.
> 
> I have spent the whole day on this.
> 
> Rob Shell
> Windows Seven
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> 4 GB RAM
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RE: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Combs, Richard 
Rob Shell wrote: 

> Subject: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"
> 
> Dear Framers:
> I would love to know what this message means.
> Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun
> would
> indicate no.

Why would the capitalization indicate no? 

> (I do not use conditional text).
> Or does this refer to a condition which is set.

>From the online help (Home / Using FrameMaker 10 / Books and Long Documents / 
>Interpreting error messages): 

*Inconsistent Show/Hide Settings, Inconsistent Use Condition Indicators, or 
Inconsistent Condition Indicator* The indicated file contains conditional text 
settings that differ from those in the previous file in the book. You can make 
the settings in each file the same (by using Special > Conditional Text) or you 
can update the settings throughout the book at once. To do this, change the 
settings in one file and then use File > Import > Formats to apply the settings 
to the entire book.

> Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
> The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to
> go to
> Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special.

Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say here. In the help, have you 
studied the subtopics in Home / Using FrameMaker 10 / Books and Long Documents 
/ Conditional documents? The help may not be the best source of information 
about FM (see the archives for recommended 3rd-party resources), but studying 
that section should clarify this a bit for you. 

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"Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Combs, Richard 
Rob Shell wrote: 

> Subject: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"
> 
> Dear Framers:
> I would love to know what this message means.
> Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun
> would
> indicate no.

Why would the capitalization indicate no? 

> (I do not use conditional text).
> Or does this refer to a condition which is set.

>From the online help (Home / Using FrameMaker 10 / Books and Long Documents / 
>Interpreting error messages): 

*Inconsistent Show/Hide Settings, Inconsistent Use Condition Indicators, or 
Inconsistent Condition Indicator* The indicated file contains conditional text 
settings that differ from those in the previous file in the book. You can make 
the settings in each file the same (by using Special > Conditional Text) or you 
can update the settings throughout the book at once. To do this, change the 
settings in one file and then use File > Import > Formats to apply the settings 
to the entire book.

> Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
> The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to
> go to
> Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special.

Sorry, I don't understand what you're trying to say here. In the help, have you 
studied the subtopics in Home / Using FrameMaker 10 / Books and Long Documents 
/ Conditional documents? The help may not be the best source of information 
about FM (see the archives for recommended 3rd-party resources), but studying 
that section should clarify this a bit for you. 

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Polycom, Inc.
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RE: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Fred Ridder 

Sorry, Shmuel, but this is not correct.

In the first case you describe, the message you would see is something like 
"Show/hide rules are inconsistent".

The second case that you describe is not an error condition and does not 
produce any warning message. There is absolutely no requirement that all the 
components of a book must have the same set of conditions defined. I have many 
books where the generated files and certain "boilerplate" files that are common 
to multiple books contain *no* condition definitions while some of the 
component files have a dozen or more conditions. Requiring identitcal condition 
sets would impose unreasonable restrictions on the ability to use shared files 
in multiple books.

What the message in question actually means is that there is at least one 
condition that is defined in two or more files where the *indication* options 
(the text color and underlining/strikethrough options and/or the "use condition 
indicator" toggle) are not identical. The message is warning you that the same 
condition may be highlighted differently (or not be highlighted at all) across 
all of the files in the book. The issue is easy to fix by importing the 
conditional text formatting properties from one file to all the other files in 
the book.

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:57:07 +0200
> From: shmue...@gmail.com
> To: rsh...@iafrica.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"
> 
> It means one of two things:
> 
> 1. The conditions that are *selected* to be viewed in each file are not 
> the same throughout the book. (Even if you do not apply the conditions 
> to any text, there still can be conditions defined in the file.)
> 
> 2. You have conditions that are defined in some, but not all, files.
> 
> Regards,
> Shmuel Wolfson
> Technical Writer
> 052-763-7133
> 
> 
> On 12-Dec-12 7:10 PM, Rob Shell wrote:
> > Dear Framers:
> > I would love to know what this message means.
> > Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun would
> > indicate no.
> > (I do not use conditional text).
> > Or does this refer to a condition which is set.
> > Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
> > The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to go to
> > Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special.
> > There is such a total disconnect between the messages which the engineers
> > write and the manual, such as it is.
> > None of these terms are found.
> >
> > IN addition to my earlier post I am writing FM in master book and child book
> > mode.
> >
> > I have spent the whole day on this.
> >
> > Rob Shell
> > Windows Seven
> > FrameMaker 9 patched
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Re: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Shmuel Wolfson 

It means one of two things:

1. The conditions that are *selected* to be viewed in each file are not 
the same throughout the book. (Even if you do not apply the conditions 
to any text, there still can be conditions defined in the file.)


2. You have conditions that are defined in some, but not all, files.

Regards,
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Technical Writer
052-763-7133


On 12-Dec-12 7:10 PM, Rob Shell wrote:

Dear Framers:
I would love to know what this message means.
Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun would
indicate no.
(I do not use conditional text).
Or does this refer to a condition which is set.
Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to go to
Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special.
There is such a total disconnect between the messages which the engineers
write and the manual, such as it is.
None of these terms are found.

IN addition to my earlier post I am writing FM in master book and child book
mode.

I have spent the whole day on this.

Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 9 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd





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Re: "Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Matt Sullivan 
You have one or more conditions in one or more files. One or more of these 
conditions is set to display the condition indicators in one or more of these 
files.

Remove the conditions, set the condition indicators the same across all files, 
and you'll be free of the messages.

Remember to also look at any files from which you import formats.


-Matt

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phone: 714 960-6840 

On Dec 12, 2012, at 9:10 AM, "Rob Shell"  wrote:

> Dear Framers:
> I would love to know what this message means.
> Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun would
> indicate no.
> (I do not use conditional text).
> Or does this refer to a condition which is set.
> Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
> The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to go to
> Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special. 
> There is such a total disconnect between the messages which the engineers
> write and the manual, such as it is.
> None of these terms are found.
> 
> IN addition to my earlier post I am writing FM in 

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progressindication.swf in the FM10 installation directory

2012-12-12 Thread Roman Banks 
Hi Richard,
?
Thank you for your response! I think you are right. :-)
?
In any case, when Framemaker becomes irresponsive while performing something, 
I?would like to know if it crashed miserably or just became 
temporarily?irresponsive. There is no way to discover that rather?than sit 
and?wait. Therefore, I think that in such cases, after a certain timeout, FM 
must issue a?message describing the status of the action being?performed or, 
alternatively, show a progress bar.
?
So,?after I?came across the?progressindication.swf file, I wondered if it is 
used by Framemaker at all. I've never seen contexts in which this progress bar 
is used by Framemaker.
?
Kind regards,
Roman

From: "Combs, Richard" 
To: Roman Banks ; "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
 
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: RE: progressindication.swf in the FM10 installation directory

Roman Banks wrote:

> Sometimes, when Framemaker performs a lengthy and time-consuming
> operation, I get the "Framemaker (Not Responding)" message, even if it
> does not get stuck completely. I think, using a progress bar instead of
> this stupid and misleading?message would be more appropriate. When
> seeing this message, an inexperienced user may just try to exit
> Framemaker instead of waiting a bit longer.

I'm guessing that you're running Windows 7 and that "Framemaker (Not 
Responding)" appears in the title bar of the FM window. That's not a message 
from FM, it's from the OS. 

IMO, Win 7 is far too quick to pull the trigger on the "Not Responding" message 
when an application takes more than a (very) few seconds to respond to input. 
I've seen that message for several other apps, including Outlook, Word, and 
Acrobat. 

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"Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Matt Sullivan 
You have one or more conditions in one or more files. One or more of these 
conditions is set to display the condition indicators in one or more of these 
files.

Remove the conditions, set the condition indicators the same across all files, 
and you'll be free of the messages.

Remember to also look at any files from which you import formats.


-Matt

Matt Sullivan 
technical communication | online training | eLearning

twitter: @mattrsullivan
phone: 714 960-6840 

On Dec 12, 2012, at 9:10 AM, "Rob Shell"  wrote:

> Dear Framers:
> I would love to know what this message means.
> Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun would
> indicate no.
> (I do not use conditional text).
> Or does this refer to a condition which is set.
> Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
> The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to go to
> Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special. 
> There is such a total disconnect between the messages which the engineers
> write and the manual, such as it is.
> None of these terms are found.
> 
> IN addition to my earlier post I am writing FM in 

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"Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Robert Lauriston 
It means that some of the documents in a book are set to show
condition indicators (change bars / underline / text color / whatever)
and some aren't.

The way FM's conditional text is implemented is complicated and confusing.

"Book is not self-consistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Jeff Coatsworth 
I'd be checking if it was the ToC or the IX that was causing it to choke first. 
Then I would create a dummy book and gradually add file by file (generating the 
offending type each time) until I found the culprit .fm file.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rob Shell
Sent: December-12-12 9:11 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: "Book is not self-consistent"

Hi Framers:
I am getting this message
"Book is not self-consistent"
Upon generation of indexes and TOC of an unstructured document (9,350 pp).
I have found Verner's post of 2009 in which he claims that all he had to do
was to "disable track changes" to solve the problem.
This did not work for me.  I wonder if anyone else has had the same problem.
The Adobe forum opines that this is a result of a circular referent within
the document so that FM can never catch up with the indexing.
I have looked for all such possible solutions, but am still getting the same
message.
Any help appreciated.
Rob Shell
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Cross-reference to a previous file

2012-12-12 Thread Lin Sims 
It does, actually, but since we make sure that the text is black, it
doesn't LOOK like it's clickable. People are so accustomed to links
being blue and/or underlined that they never think to hover over text
that looks like all the other text. Social engineering at its finest.
;-)

-- 
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On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:11 AM, David Artman  wrote:
> |From: Lin Sims 
> |Date: Tue, December 11, 2012 8:20 pm
> |
> |Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by
> |using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that
> |you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it
> |beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that
> |way, too).
>
> Lin, wouldn't that make it into a link, after PDFing? I'm assuming that
> one wants other xrefs to be live links and so one leaves that option
> checked in PDF Settings. If xrefs aren't automatically being made into
> links, that would work fine.
>
> Roger, can't you use the Volume value at the book level on the files(s)
> and then use that building block in the H/F? Or have you already used
> that building block for other purposes?
>
> As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use
> MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of
> those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the
> H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another
> blank file or in your main template) to apply "major" Variables and the
> part-level blank file to apply "minor" variables afterwards. Kind of
> manual, but not nearly so much as other methods.
>
> [I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as
> books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties
> (Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the "Chapter"
> values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and
> then "Section" would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the
> book-in-book.]
>
> HTH;
> David

"Use Condition Indicators setting is inconsistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Rob Shell 
Dear Framers:
I would love to know what this message means.
Has it something to do with conditional text? The capitalized noun would
indicate no.
(I do not use conditional text).
Or does this refer to a condition which is set.
Could this be a toggle switch? And the condition is on or off
The toggle for conditional text is very complicated, seems you have to go to
Window to turn on the condition and then back to Special. 
There is such a total disconnect between the messages which the engineers
write and the manual, such as it is.
None of these terms are found.

IN addition to my earlier post I am writing FM in master book and child book
mode.

I have spent the whole day on this.

Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 9 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd





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RE: progressindication.swf in the FM10 installation directory

2012-12-12 Thread Combs, Richard 
Roman Banks wrote:
 
> Sometimes, when Framemaker performs a lengthy and time-consuming
> operation, I get the "Framemaker (Not Responding)" message, even if it
> does not get stuck completely. I think, using a progress bar instead of
> this stupid and misleading message would be more appropriate. When
> seeing this message, an inexperienced user may just try to exit
> Framemaker instead of waiting a bit longer.

I'm guessing that you're running Windows 7 and that "Framemaker (Not 
Responding)" appears in the title bar of the FM window. That's not a message 
from FM, it's from the OS. 

IMO, Win 7 is far too quick to pull the trigger on the "Not Responding" message 
when an application takes more than a (very) few seconds to respond to input. 
I've seen that message for several other apps, including Outlook, Word, and 
Acrobat. 

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progressindication.swf in the FM10 installation directory

2012-12-12 Thread Combs, Richard 
Roman Banks wrote:

> Sometimes, when Framemaker performs a lengthy and time-consuming
> operation, I get the "Framemaker (Not Responding)" message, even if it
> does not get stuck completely. I think, using a progress bar instead of
> this stupid and misleading?message would be more appropriate. When
> seeing this message, an inexperienced user may just try to exit
> Framemaker instead of waiting a bit longer.

I'm guessing that you're running Windows 7 and that "Framemaker (Not 
Responding)" appears in the title bar of the FM window. That's not a message 
from FM, it's from the OS. 

IMO, Win 7 is far too quick to pull the trigger on the "Not Responding" message 
when an application takes more than a (very) few seconds to respond to input. 
I've seen that message for several other apps, including Outlook, Word, and 
Acrobat. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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303-223-5111
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Cross-reference to a previous file

2012-12-12 Thread David Artman 
|From: Lin Sims 
|Date: Tue, December 11, 2012 8:20 pm
|
|Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by
|using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that
|you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it
|beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that
|way, too).

Lin, wouldn't that make it into a link, after PDFing? I'm assuming that
one wants other xrefs to be live links and so one leaves that option
checked in PDF Settings. If xrefs aren't automatically being made into
links, that would work fine.

Roger, can't you use the Volume value at the book level on the files(s)
and then use that building block in the H/F? Or have you already used
that building block for other purposes?

As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use
MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of
those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the
H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another
blank file or in your main template) to apply "major" Variables and the
part-level blank file to apply "minor" variables afterwards. Kind of
manual, but not nearly so much as other methods.

[I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as
books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties
(Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the "Chapter"
values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and
then "Section" would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the
book-in-book.]

HTH;
David

RE: "Book is not self-consistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Jeff Coatsworth 
I'd be checking if it was the ToC or the IX that was causing it to choke first. 
Then I would create a dummy book and gradually add file by file (generating the 
offending type each time) until I found the culprit .fm file.

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Subject: "Book is not self-consistent"

Hi Framers:
I am getting this message
"Book is not self-consistent"
Upon generation of indexes and TOC of an unstructured document (9,350 pp).
I have found Verner's post of 2009 in which he claims that all he had to do
was to "disable track changes" to solve the problem.
This did not work for me.  I wonder if anyone else has had the same problem.
The Adobe forum opines that this is a result of a circular referent within
the document so that FM can never catch up with the indexing.
I have looked for all such possible solutions, but am still getting the same
message.
Any help appreciated.
Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 11 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd








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Re: Cross-reference to a previous file

2012-12-12 Thread Lin Sims 
It does, actually, but since we make sure that the text is black, it
doesn't LOOK like it's clickable. People are so accustomed to links
being blue and/or underlined that they never think to hover over text
that looks like all the other text. Social engineering at its finest.
;-)

-- 
Lin Sims

On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 9:11 AM, David Artman  wrote:
> |From: Lin Sims 
> |Date: Tue, December 11, 2012 8:20 pm
> |
> |Where I work, we have a sort-of-similar issue, and we solved it by
> |using cross-references. It means you'll have to remember to check that
> |you're pointing to the right files if you add any new ones in, but it
> |beats typing everything in (and you'd have to manually update that
> |way, too).
>
> Lin, wouldn't that make it into a link, after PDFing? I'm assuming that
> one wants other xrefs to be live links and so one leaves that option
> checked in PDF Settings. If xrefs aren't automatically being made into
> links, that would work fine.
>
> Roger, can't you use the Volume value at the book level on the files(s)
> and then use that building block in the H/F? Or have you already used
> that building block for other purposes?
>
> As a final, hacky solution, you could make a super-stripped file (I use
> MIF editing to kill, like, EVERY catalog I can) and then have one of
> those files for each part, in which you define a Variable to carry the
> H/F text? That way, you could still use book-wide variables (in another
> blank file or in your main template) to apply "major" Variables and the
> part-level blank file to apply "minor" variables afterwards. Kind of
> manual, but not nearly so much as other methods.
>
> [I don't have/use FM9+, but it seems like setting the parts up as
> books-in-a-book would let you access other Numbering properties
> (Section, Sub-Section). So your 'part' text would be the "Chapter"
> values--with their para styles handling numbering via autonumbering--and
> then "Section" would handle your 'chapter' numbering in the
> book-in-book.]
>
> HTH;
> David
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"Book is not self-consistent"

2012-12-12 Thread Rob Shell 
Hi Framers:
I am getting this message
"Book is not self-consistent"
Upon generation of indexes and TOC of an unstructured document (9,350 pp).
I have found Verner's post of 2009 in which he claims that all he had to do
was to "disable track changes" to solve the problem.
This did not work for me.  I wonder if anyone else has had the same problem.
The Adobe forum opines that this is a result of a circular referent within
the document so that FM can never catch up with the indexing.
I have looked for all such possible solutions, but am still getting the same
message.
Any help appreciated.
Rob Shell
Windows Seven
FrameMaker 11 patched
4 GB RAM
3 TB hd








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