date:20140120

At 21:25 -0500 19/1/14, Rick Quatro wrote:

The FrameMaker Word import filter leaves a line-feed character at the end of
each paragraph. You can't see it, but it is there and apparently affects
your search. I routinely strip them out in my scripts. A MIF-wash should
remove them.

Thanks Rick - very helpful (as always)

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RE: End-of-flow wildcard?

At 18:51 -0800 19/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:

A slow process (would take me a day or two for around less than 100 page 
documents), but resulted in cleaner FM files ultimately. Also gave me a chance 
to read the document and verify what I wanted it to say and look like. :)

I always 'maggy' a Word document to get a clean copy before import, and I've 
not had too many issues. But it would be good to get the L/F characters out.

Having said 'not too many issues', this book has thrown up some new ones. The 
source is from three authors working in Word in Finland: quite a lot of 
inter-word spaces disappeared, and for some - but not all - files, all the 
ligatures ('fl', 'fi' etc) disappeared too! I've never seen this before in a 
couple of decades of inter-working between Word and FrameMaker. So 'flow' 
became 'ow', 'first' became 'rst', 'configuration' became 'conguration' and so 
on. These are the sorts of things that make an editor's life fun :-(

['Maggying', for anyone not familiar with it, consists of copying all of a Word 
document except the final pilcrow, then pasting it into a new, clean Word 
document and working with that. I believe the technique was named after its 
originator. It can solve a lot of issues with Word, as apparently the final 
pilcrow 'hides' a great deal of Word-crud.]

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FrameMaker 12: e-publishing options

At 06:16 + 17/1/14, Maxwell Hoffmann wrote:

Early Reviews for #Adobe Tech Comm Suite 5 and FrameMaker 12 from TechWhirl - 
http://bit.ly/1cy87qchttp://bit.ly/1cy87qc

The thing that really caught my eye here was the ability to output to ePub and 
Kindle.

I would be *very* interested in any feedback that arises on how well this 
works. At present my clients subcontract Kindle work, at extra cost, and the 
results I've seen have been less than optimal. Were I able to offer 
e-publishing options for FrameMaker-developed books at low (or even zero) cost, 
it would justify the price of a 10-12 upgrade. The dream option would be to 
output to pre-press PDF and Kindle with zero extra work, but I expect it's more 
complex than that. (I know little or nothing about the Kindle format.)

Also, does this require the entire TCS suite, or can it be done from FrameMaker 
only?

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RE: End-of-flow wildcard?

Maggying (named after former list member Maggie Secara, who first promoted the 
technique here and on the copyeditors list) was a useful technique when Word 
used a proprietary binary file format. The entire stylesheet and lots of other 
voodoo was embedded in the final pilcrow character as a big binary lump and the 
only way to force Word to rebuild it if it became corrupted was to Maggie the 
document. 

But in the current XML-based Word file format (.docx, .docm, .dotx, .dotm 
extensions used in Word 2007 and later) does not use the same embed formatting 
in the pilcrow technique. Instead, the single file you see is actually a zip 
archive that contains dozens of separate XML objects that contain all the 
formatting info and other metadata along with other XML objects for graphics 
and the text of the file. There is absolutely no evidence that Maggying has any 
beneficial effect on Word documents that use the Office XML format. It won't 
*hurt* anything to do it, but it won't fix anything, either.

-Fred Ridder

 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:15:57 +
 To: syed.hos...@aeris.net; r...@rickquatro.com; craig...@hotmail.com; 
 framers@lists.frameusers.com
 From: srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
 Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
 
 At 18:51 -0800 19/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) wrote:
 
 A slow process (would take me a day or two for around less than 100 page 
 documents), but resulted in cleaner FM files ultimately. Also gave me a 
 chance to read the document and verify what I wanted it to say and look 
 like. :)
 
 I always 'maggy' a Word document to get a clean copy before import, and I've 
 not had too many issues. But it would be good to get the L/F characters out.
 
 Having said 'not too many issues', this book has thrown up some new ones. The 
 source is from three authors working in Word in Finland: quite a lot of 
 inter-word spaces disappeared, and for some - but not all - files, all the 
 ligatures ('fl', 'fi' etc) disappeared too! I've never seen this before in a 
 couple of decades of inter-working between Word and FrameMaker. So 'flow' 
 became 'ow', 'first' became 'rst', 'configuration' became 'conguration' and 
 so on. These are the sorts of things that make an editor's life fun :-(
 
 ['Maggying', for anyone not familiar with it, consists of copying all of a 
 Word document except the final pilcrow, then pasting it into a new, clean 
 Word document and working with that. I believe the technique was named after 
 its originator. It can solve a lot of issues with Word, as apparently the 
 final pilcrow 'hides' a great deal of Word-crud.]
 
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RE: End-of-flow wildcard?

At 08:03 -0500 20/1/14, Fred Ridder wrote:

But in the current XML-based Word file format (.docx, .docm, .dotx, .dotm 
extensions used in Word 2007 and later) does not use the same embed 
formatting in the pilcrow technique. Instead, the single file you see is 
actually a zip archive that contains dozens of separate XML objects that 
contain all the formatting info and other metadata along with other XML 
objects for graphics and the text of the file. There is absolutely no evidence 
that Maggying has any beneficial effect on Word documents that use the Office 
XML format. It won't *hurt* anything to do it, but it won't fix anything, 
either.

Thanks for that clarification, Fred - you are of course absolutely right. As I 
still work in Word 2004, I still maggy stuff.

[I've not heard anything that leads me to believe that more recent versions of 
Word offer any substantive improvements, but my views are based on the Mac 
versions, which have always been the poor cousins of the Windows versions.)

-- 
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RE: End-of-flow wildcard?

There are two areas of improvements in Word versions from 2007 onwards that 
probably should be of interest to you because they can have a direct effect on 
the problem you described in your previous message. Those improvements relate 
to Unicode fonts and ligatures. The recognition and proper handling of TrueType 
ligatures was one of the major changes in Word 2010, which I assume also 
trickled down to Word 2011 for Mac. Has your client recently upgraded from the 
Word 2007/2008 generation to Word 2010 or later? If their files contain 
ligatures done right from a more current version of Word, that could explain 
why your copy of Word 2004 doesn't recognize them at all.

-Fred

 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:08:34 +
 To: docu...@hotmail.com; syed.hos...@aeris.net; r...@rickquatro.com; 
 craig...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 From: srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk
 Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
 
 At 08:03 -0500 20/1/14, Fred Ridder wrote:
 
 But in the current XML-based Word file format (.docx, .docm, .dotx, .dotm 
 extensions used in Word 2007 and later) does not use the same embed 
 formatting in the pilcrow technique. Instead, the single file you see is 
 actually a zip archive that contains dozens of separate XML objects that 
 contain all the formatting info and other metadata along with other XML 
 objects for graphics and the text of the file. There is absolutely no 
 evidence that Maggying has any beneficial effect on Word documents that use 
 the Office XML format. It won't *hurt* anything to do it, but it won't fix 
 anything, either.
 
 Thanks for that clarification, Fred - you are of course absolutely right. As 
 I still work in Word 2004, I still maggy stuff.
 
 [I've not heard anything that leads me to believe that more recent versions 
 of Word offer any substantive improvements, but my views are based on the Mac 
 versions, which have always been the poor cousins of the Windows versions.)
 
 -- 
 Steve
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RE: End-of-flow wildcard?

At 08:20 -0500 20/1/14, Fred Ridder wrote:

There are two areas of improvements in Word versions from 2007 onwards that 
probably should be of interest to you because they can have a direct effect on 
the problem you described in your previous message. Those improvements relate 
to Unicode fonts and ligatures.

Useful to know.

 The recognition and proper handling of TrueType ligatures was one of the 
 major changes in Word 2010, which I assume also trickled down to Word 2011 
 for Mac. Has your client recently upgraded from the Word 2007/2008 generation 
 to Word 2010 or later?

Hard to be sure, as Word doesn't seem to put a version stamp into its binaries 
(if they are such) denoting its version, as FrameMaker does.  No sign of a 
'docx file anywhere in the delivery. I would also assume that they worked in 
Windows.

I get all manner of stuff coming in from Word, in all manner of qualities and 
with multiple versions, but in this case I'd say probably not Word 2010+ for 
the delivery, as the book arrived as one large .doc file, which I then burst 
into chapters for import into FrameMaker. The interesting thing was that only 
some of the chapters showed the ligature issue: my hunch is that all three 
authors worked in potentially differing versions, and the lead author then 
munged the lot into one file for delivery and to produce a PDF. I guess I could 
ask, if anyone following this thread is interested.

 If their files contain ligatures done right from a more current version of 
 Word, that could explain why your copy of Word 2004 doesn't recognize them at 
 all.

Indeed, I'm sure this is the reason. The whole-book PDF doesn't show the 
ligatures issue, but this is to be expected from your suggestions. And only 
some bits showed it in the .doc import.

I am in no way trying to be critical here - in fact this book's ms was of a 
considerably higher technical standard than many I've worked with.

This also highlights an generic issue with publishers: the level of technical 
guidance for author presentation of manuscripts varies quite a bit, from 
detailed to almost non-existent. Probably the majority of Word users don't 
realise the pitfalls that it can generate. But that's a whole other issue, and 
doesn't belong here, interesting though it is ;-)

Thanks.
-- 
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RE: End-of-flow wildcard?

2014-01-20 Thread Craig Ede

Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into it on
my old laptop.

For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on.

Craig

-Original Message-
From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:32 AM
To: Craig Ede; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard?

At 16:53 -0600 18/1/14, Craig Ede wrote:

/f, isn't it?

It may well be, but if so, this isn't implemented in my ancient version (7).
I'll be moving to Framemaker 10 sometime this year, but not for the current
job.

Just have to do it manually [sigh]. Thanks anyway though.
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RE: End-of-flow wildcard?

2014-01-20 Thread Craig Ede

Well, I'm getting an even more peculiar result in FM7.0p579
The search dialog gives me an error saying I need to have text in the search
box when I look for \f alone.

If I change the search to something like .\f (to search for a period before
and end of flow) it finds all periods. Similarly with space. But it ignores
the end of flow symbol and so finds periods at the end of every sentence or
spaces wherever they occur. Useless!

Regarding Word inserting things: 
It might work to copy one of the offending text sequences and then search
and replace with text via FrameMaker replace so you have a known series of
characters. There are things MIF wash doesn't seem to deal with. I get table
padding from Word that seems to be impossible to remove without creating a
new table and then pasting the content into it.

Good luck,

Craig

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From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] 
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 9:26 AM
To: Craig Ede; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard?

At 09:07 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote:

Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into 
it on my old laptop.

For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on.

This is getting more interesting. \f does work in FrameMaker 7, but it only
finds some instances of the '.\f' combo I'm trying to find.

However - and it's a big 'however' - the source came from Word, and the
instances of '.\f' that FrameMaker *is* finding are those I've typed, but
not those that came from Word. My guess is that - for the Word-sourced
material - what looks like a period/end of flow on screen is something else,
and/or has some invisible Word-type-crud after the period but before the end
of the flow. And copying them from the document to the Find field doesn't
work either: copy/pasting the period alone works, but doesn't work when '\f'
is added to the find string.

Probably the best way to sort this is to de-table the lot, MIF-wash it and
re-table it all again, but it's Sunday...

So the bottom line is that '\f' is what I was looking for - the Word crud is
my problem. So double thanks ;-)

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RE: End-of-flow wildcard?

Are either of you using Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug-in? At my last employer 
about a decade ago (my, how time files when you're having fun...) I converted 
well over 10K pages of legacy Word documentation to FrameMaker and I know I 
could never have done it without Rick's plug-in. It got rid of all sorts of 
Word-specific cruft and dealt with the way Frame imported every Word table with 
the custom ruling and shading flag set so that you wouldn't get the expected 
results when you applied a Frame table style. And it did it all in a single 
step. 

-Fred Ridder

 From: syed.hos...@aeris.net
 To: r...@rickquatro.com; srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk; 
 craig...@hotmail.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 18:51:26 -0800
 Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
 
 Rick Quatro said:
  The FrameMaker Word import filter leaves a line-feed character at the end 
  of each paragraph. You can't see it, but it is there and apparently affects 
  your search. I routinely strip them out in my scripts. A MIF-wash should 
  remove them.
 
 I have seen exactly this too. But, as I recall, a MIF-wash did not clear it 
 up for me ... have not checked recently though.
 
 If the file was not too large and I had a bit of time for initial cleanup, my 
 usual method was to bring it in as text and re-apply what FrameMaker 
 paragraph and character formats I needed.
 
 A slow process (would take me a day or two for around less than 100 page 
 documents), but resulted in cleaner FM files ultimately. Also gave me a 
 chance to read the document and verify what I wanted it to say and look like. 
 :)
 
 Z
 
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 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
 Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:26 AM
 To: Craig Ede; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
 
 At 09:07 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote:
 
 Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into it on 
 my old laptop.
 
 For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on.
 
 This is getting more interesting. \f does work in FrameMaker 7, but it only 
 finds some instances of the '.\f' combo I'm trying to find.
 
 However - and it's a big 'however' - the source came from Word, and the 
 instances of '.\f' that FrameMaker *is* finding are those I've typed, but not 
 those that came from Word. My guess is that - for the Word-sourced material - 
 what looks like a period/end of flow on screen is something else, and/or has 
 some invisible Word-type-crud after the period but before the end of the 
 flow. And copying them from the document to the Find field doesn't work 
 either: copy/pasting the period alone works, but doesn't work when '\f'
 is added to the find string.
 
 Probably the best way to sort this is to de-table the lot, MIF-wash it and 
 re-table it all again, but it's Sunday...
 
 So the bottom line is that '\f' is what I was looking for - the Word crud is 
 my problem. So double thanks ;-)
 
 --
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RE: End-of-flow wildcard?

At 09:13 -0500 20/1/14, Fred Ridder wrote:

Are either of you using Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug-in?

Nope. All those wonderful plug-ins will become available to me when I get a box 
that will run my copy of FrameMaker 10 (trip to local Apple Store to talk to a 
guru scheduled for March).

Authors don't have any contact with FrameMaker, and I'm still using 7 for Mac. 
(And boy has it earned it's keep!)

 At my last employer about a decade ago (my, how time files when you're having 
 fun...) I converted well over 10K pages of legacy Word documentation to 
 FrameMaker and I know I could never have done it without Rick's plug-in. It 
 got rid of all sorts of Word-specific cruft and dealt with the way Frame 
 imported every Word table with the custom ruling and shading flag set so 
 that you wouldn't get the expected results when you applied a Frame table 
 style. And it did it all in a single step.

I'm sure Rick is happy to read this ;-)

Generally - and perhaps fortunately - my source material tends not to be 
table-heavy. The table that started this thread was one that I created here, as 
it's a convenient way of handling reference lists. Or would be, if FrameMaker 7 
didn't suffer from the bug that strips xref markers when you sort a table. (Has 
this gone from later versions, I wonder?)

-- 
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FrameMaker 12--Has anyone tried it yet?

2014-01-20 Thread Gutierrez, Anita


Setting the money discussion aside (fascinating as it is), I'd be interested to 
hear how Frame 12 handles the road.  

Is it stable?  

Do the new features work as advertised? 

How do the resulting HMTL5, Kindle, and other save-as formats look and behave?  

Shlomo, do TimeSavers and your other plugins work with v12 as they are, or is 
there further action required?

Frank/Marjorie, is a corresponding FrameScript version due out soon?

Does Cudspan's TemplateMapper work with v12?  (Admittedly I was on v7 when I 
last used TemplateMapper, but I'm now on v10 and may have need of this 
functionality again soon.)

Anything else of interest?

Anita



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Curriculum Developer
Sage Construction and Real Estate
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OT: looking for a font designer

Hi group

I've got Illustrator EPS vector graphics which I use as icons for notes,
warnings, tips etc. I'd like to create a custom (OpenType) font for these
icons, so I can create a character format and use that in my autonumbering.

So, I'm looking for a professional font designer/developer who can do this.
Any ideas/suggestions/recommendations?

Thanks

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Re: FrameMaker 12--Has anyone tried it yet?

On 20 Jan 2014 at 15:37, Gutierrez, Anita wrote:

 Is it stable?  
Due to the new function Restore Session and the (not documented) behaviour at 
system problems even 
unstable situations can be overcome:
- I have situations (especially when not waiting long enough for the smart 
catalogue
  to pop up for the first time and just typing ahead) that FM-12 consumes 
nearly 100% cpu
  (well, 48% on a dual processor PC).
- In these situations I click on the close button (the X top right) and FM saves
  the open file without a problem.
- In most cases FM quits then, in other cases I kill the process.
- Starting FM and using File  Restore session lets me continue where I just 
was stuck.
- IMHO this is great - because there are numerous situations to bring 
  a Windows program into trouble.

 Do the new features work as advertised? 
I'm only working in unstructured mode and for this not much has changed. 
However the GUI became much 
more user friendly with coloured and/or larger toolbar buttons. Also the icons 
in the pods can be 
coloured. This makes them more easy to recognise.

 Shlomo, do TimeSavers and your other plugins work with v12 as they are, or
 is there further action required?
I dont't know about Time Savers, but you may have a look at 
http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker71.html

 Frank/Marjorie, is a corresponding FrameScript version due out soon?
FrameScript 6 works fine with FM-12. I have no problems with the full script 
suite from itl (called 
[i]-frame)

Just my 5 cents...
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Re: End-of-flow wildcard?

On 19 Jan 2014 at 9:56, Craig Ede wrote:

 If I change the search to something like .\f (to search for a period
 before and end of flow) it finds all periods. Similarly with space. But it
 ignores the end of flow symbol and so finds periods at the end of every
 sentence or spaces wherever they occur. Useless!

May it help to start the search at the end of the document and then find 
backwards. You need this 
technique for example to find those darn superfluous CR:

«
Importing from Word may leave CR characters (\x0D) and other illegal characters 
(e.g. \x01) in the 
file. These restrict an FM search to the paragraph ending with CR. You can find 
these characters only 
by searching backwards from the end of the flow. Clean the file by saving as 
MIF, opening the MIF, 
saving as FM.
»

BTW the 'end of flow' character is entered in the find dialogue (no wildcards!) 
as \f or \x0b .

HTH
Klaus Daube
~~
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Re: OT: looking for a font designer

Hi David

I'm afraid it's not that simple. I have already tested some font editors,
including FontCreator, Fontographer, FontForge and TypeTool and I saw that
the fill and/or stroke of some objects is not always preserved when the EPS
is imported into these editors.

Moreover, the (technical) properties of the font need to be specified
correctly, so that the font embedding/subsetting works properly when we
generate a PDF (and print it) from the FrameMaker files.

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RE: FrameMaker 12--Has anyone tried it yet?

2014-01-20 Thread Shlomo Perets

Latest version of FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers version, 5.6.x, and all
latest versions of the Assistants,  work fine with FrameMaker 12.

Shlomo Perets
http://microtype.com



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Setting the money discussion aside (fascinating as it is), I'd be interested
to hear how Frame 12 handles the road.  

Is it stable?  

Do the new features work as advertised? 

How do the resulting HMTL5, Kindle, and other save-as formats look and
behave?  

Shlomo, do TimeSavers and your other plugins work with v12 as they are, or
is there further action required?

Frank/Marjorie, is a corresponding FrameScript version due out soon?

Does Cudspan's TemplateMapper work with v12?  (Admittedly I was on v7 when I
last used TemplateMapper, but I'm now on v10 and may have need of this
functionality again soon.)

Anything else of interest?

Anita



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Sage Construction and Real Estate
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Applying a character tag to text in FM10

All,

A client is insisting on using a proprietary font in the source FM files
despite my best attempts to keep them vanilla with Times New Roman and
Arial. They have supplied me with two font sets for this font - one is
Regular weight (to be used for any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags)
and a Bold weight (to be used for any paragraph tags that are Heading tags).
I have several character formats in my catalog that I want to be able to
continue to use. One of these tags is Emphasis. All properties for the tag
are set to As Is with the exception of the angle, which I have set to
Italic. 

When I apply this tag to any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags (i.e.,
the tags use the regular weight version of this proprietary font), the tag
is apparently not applied. The font angle does not change, and in the lower
left corner of the page identifying what tags are being used, I see Emphasis
with an asterisk in front of it (*Emphasis).  I thought that maybe I had
corrupted the tag somehow, so I applied the same tag to some text that used
simply good old Times New Roman font in the same document, and voila, the
text was immediately italicized and the tag showed Emphasis without an
asterisk.

I have not really ever had to use proprietary fonts before in a FM source
file, so I am obviously missing something behind the use of such fonts that
is preventing character tags from being applied as expected. 

Any guidance/assistance is greatly appreciated.

Regards,

TVB 



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Re: Applying a character tag to text in FM10

2014-01-20 Thread Stuart Rogers


On 2014-Jan-20 5:43 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:

Applying a character tag to text in FM10

All,

A client is insisting on using a proprietary font in the source FM 
files despite my best attempts to keep them vanilla with Times New 
Roman and Arial. Theyhave supplied me with two font sets for this font 
- one is Regular weight (to be used for any paragraph tags that are 
non-Heading tags) and a Bold weight (to be used for any paragraph tags 
that are Heading tags).  I have several character formats in my 
catalog that I want to be able to continue to use. One of these tags 
is Emphasis. All properties for the tag are set to As Is with the 
exception of the angle, which I have set to Italic.


When I apply this tag to any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags 
(i.e., the tags use the regular weight version of this proprietary 
font), the tag is apparently not applied. The font angle does not 
change, and in the lower left corner of the page identifying what tags 
are being used, I seeEmphasis with an asterisk in front of it 
(*Emphasis).  I thought that maybe I had corrupted the tag somehow, so 
I applied the same tag to some text that used simply good old Times 
New Roman font in the same document, and voila, the text was 
immediately italicized and the tag showed Emphasis without an asterisk.


I have not really ever had to use proprietary fonts before in a FM 
source file, so I am obviously missing something behind the use of 
such fonts that is preventing character tags from being applied as 
expected.


Any guidance/assistance is greatly appreciated.

Regards,

TVB




My first guess is that the Regular font set does not contain the glyphs 
for italics -- especially given that the client has provided a 
completely separate file for Bold. So FM is attempting to apply the tag, 
but it can't change the appearance because the needed characters don't 
exist.  You might be able to redefine the tag to use Obliqued as the 
angle, and FM will try to fake italics by sloping the roman glyphs. But 
the true solution would be to purchase the italic font file required.


HTH,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

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RE: Applying a character tag to text in FM10

2014-01-20 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Thanks all. I was just getting so frustrated having to redo something that I
thought was done, I couldn't take a step back. I was told that the Regular
package included Italic fonts, but upon examination as suggested, it
doesn't. I did try Stuart's suggestion of Oblique and it looks like garbage,
that's for sure as Stuart also warned about.

 

Ok, grumble, grumble, grumble . . . I really wish this client would not be
so stuck on using these fonts.

 

Thanks all,

 

I appreciate the help and understanding from y'all.

 

TVB

 

From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:sullivanma...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:04 PM
To: Tammy Van Boening
Cc: FrameUsers List
Subject: Re: Applying a character tag to text in FM10

 

HI Tammy, 

 

Nothing's broken, you just need an italicized version of the font installed
on your system.


-Matt

Matt R. Sullivan 
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On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Tammy Van Boening
tamm...@spectrumwritingllc.com wrote:





All,

A client is insisting on using a proprietary font in the source FM files
despite my best attempts to keep them vanilla with Times New Roman and
Arial. They have supplied me with two font sets for this font - one is
Regular weight (to be used for any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags)
and a Bold weight (to be used for any paragraph tags that are Heading tags).
I have several character formats in my catalog that I want to be able to
continue to use. One of these tags is Emphasis. All properties for the tag
are set to As Is with the exception of the angle, which I have set to
Italic. 

When I apply this tag to any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags (i.e.,
the tags use the regular weight version of this proprietary font), the tag
is apparently not applied. The font angle does not change, and in the lower
left corner of the page identifying what tags are being used, I see Emphasis
with an asterisk in front of it (*Emphasis).  I thought that maybe I had
corrupted the tag somehow, so I applied the same tag to some text that used
simply good old Times New Roman font in the same document, and voila, the
text was immediately italicized and the tag showed Emphasis without an
asterisk.

I have not really ever had to use proprietary fonts before in a FM source
file, so I am obviously missing something behind the use of such fonts that
is preventing character tags from being applied as expected. 

Any guidance/assistance is greatly appreciated.

Regards,

TVB 

 

 

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RE: Applying a character tag to text in FM10

I think you need the Italic version of that font - you just have the Regular 
and Bold font files apparently. With old Adobe Type 1 fonts, for example, there 
were multiple separate files for each font set that needed to be available.

For example, my old Helvetica, Helvetica-Black and Helvetica-Narrow fonts 
are these - with oblique, bold and bold-oblique versions. And there are the 
associated files font metric files (AFM, PFM) and font info files (INF) for 
each of these, in sub-directories, for the system to read.

C:\Home\sys\psfdir hv*

Volume in drive C is Disk_C

Volume Serial Number is 5CD9-F6B7

Directory of C:\Home\sys\psf

05/01/1990  07:00 AM42,905 HVBLO___.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM31,808 HVBL.PFB

05/27/1996  10:22 PM38,586 HVBO.PFB

05/27/1996  10:22 PM29,276 HVB_.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM28,393 HVK_.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM35,815 HVLO.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM27,333 HVL_.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM38,606 HVNBO___.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM38,572 HVNB.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM38,073 HVNO.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM38,037 HVN_.PFB

05/27/1996  10:22 PM38,053 HVO_.PFB

05/27/1996  10:22 PM28,777 HV__.PFB

  13 File(s)454,234 bytes

So, I'd suggest asking the client for the Italic (or Oblique) file for that 
proprietary font. You may also need the Bold-Italic (or Bold-Oblique) version 
files too.

Z

Tammy Van Boening wrote:

?  All,

?  A client is insisting on using a proprietary font in the source FM files 
despite my best attempts to keep them vanilla with Times New Roman and Arial. 
They have supplied me with two font sets for this font - one is Regular weight 
(to be used for any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags) and a Bold weight 
(to be used for any paragraph tags that are Heading tags).  I have several 
character formats in my catalog that I want to be able to continue to use. One 
of these tags is Emphasis. All properties for the tag are set to As Is with the 
exception of the angle, which I have set to Italic.

?  When I apply this tag to any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags (i.e., 
the tags use the regular weight version of this proprietary font), the tag is 
apparently not applied. The font angle does not change, and in the lower left 
corner of the page identifying what tags are being used, I see Emphasis with an 
asterisk in front of it (*Emphasis).  I thought that maybe I had corrupted the 
tag somehow, so I applied the same tag to some text that used simply good old 
Times New Roman font in the same document, and voila, the text was immediately 
italicized and the tag showed Emphasis without an asterisk.

?  I have not really ever had to use proprietary fonts before in a FM source 
file, so I am obviously missing something behind the use of such fonts that is 
preventing character tags from being applied as expected.

?  Any guidance/assistance is greatly appreciated.

?  Regards,

?  TVB
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RE: Applying a character tag to text in FM10

2014-01-20 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

I also just noticed that some of my older True Type fonts are separate files 
for regular, bold and italic. Here is an example:

C:\Home\sys\fonts\ttf1dir aol*
Volume in drive C is Disk_C
Volume Serial Number is 5CD9-F6B7

Directory of C:\Home\sys\fonts\ttf1

10/11/1992  11:00 PM51,856 AOLIVE.TTF
10/11/1992  11:00 PM53,920 AOLIVEB.TTF
10/11/1992  11:00 PM54,836 AOLIVEI.TTF
   3 File(s)160,612 bytes


From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 3:32 PM
To: 'Tammy Van Boening'; 'FrameUsers List'
Subject: RE: Applying a character tag to text in FM10


I think you need the Italic version of that font - you just have the Regular 
and Bold font files apparently. With old Adobe Type 1 fonts, for example, there 
were multiple separate files for each font set that needed to be available.

For example, my old Helvetica, Helvetica-Black and Helvetica-Narrow fonts 
are these - with oblique, bold and bold-oblique versions. And there are the 
associated files font metric files (AFM, PFM) and font info files (INF) for 
each of these, in sub-directories, for the system to read.

C:\Home\sys\psfdir hv*

Volume in drive C is Disk_C

Volume Serial Number is 5CD9-F6B7

Directory of C:\Home\sys\psf

05/01/1990  07:00 AM42,905 HVBLO___.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM31,808 HVBL.PFB

05/27/1996  10:22 PM38,586 HVBO.PFB

05/27/1996  10:22 PM29,276 HVB_.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM28,393 HVK_.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM35,815 HVLO.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM27,333 HVL_.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM38,606 HVNBO___.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM38,572 HVNB.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM38,073 HVNO.PFB

05/01/1990  07:00 AM38,037 HVN_.PFB

05/27/1996  10:22 PM38,053 HVO_.PFB

05/27/1996  10:22 PM28,777 HV__.PFB

  13 File(s)454,234 bytes

So, I'd suggest asking the client for the Italic (or Oblique) file for that 
proprietary font. You may also need the Bold-Italic (or Bold-Oblique) version 
files too.

Z

Tammy Van Boening wrote:

?  All,

?  A client is insisting on using a proprietary font in the source FM files 
despite my best attempts to keep them vanilla with Times New Roman and Arial. 
They have supplied me with two font sets for this font - one is Regular weight 
(to be used for any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags) and a Bold weight 
(to be used for any paragraph tags that are Heading tags).  I have several 
character formats in my catalog that I want to be able to continue to use. One 
of these tags is Emphasis. All properties for the tag are set to As Is with the 
exception of the angle, which I have set to Italic.

?  When I apply this tag to any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags (i.e., 
the tags use the regular weight version of this proprietary font), the tag is 
apparently not applied. The font angle does not change, and in the lower left 
corner of the page identifying what tags are being used, I see Emphasis with an 
asterisk in front of it (*Emphasis).  I thought that maybe I had corrupted the 
tag somehow, so I applied the same tag to some text that used simply good old 
Times New Roman font in the same document, and voila, the text was immediately 
italicized and the tag showed Emphasis without an asterisk.

?  I have not really ever had to use proprietary fonts before in a FM source 
file, so I am obviously missing something behind the use of such fonts that is 
preventing character tags from being applied as expected.

?  Any guidance/assistance is greatly appreciated.

?  Regards,

?  TVB
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FM12 single-source integration?

2014-01-20 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried

Hi Robert,

Here the configuration is explained:

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/framemaker-12-features/fm12-mcp-setup/

Arnis Gubins said on the Adobe forum that the new formats
are published with the help of the internal RH output engine.
Part of it is incorportated into FrameMaker 12:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/6011232#6011232

Best regards

Winfried

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> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: FM12 single-source integration?
>
> The "Don't intend to use structured authoring?" page of Adobe's FM12
> promo says, "Publish to popular output formats like EPUB 3, KF8, MOBI,
> WebHelp, CHM, and HTML5."
>
> How do they accomplish that? Have they integrated a subset of RoboHelp
> the way they have been integrating a subset of Acrobat for years?



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End-of-flow wildcard?

At 21:25 -0500 19/1/14, Rick Quatro wrote:

>The FrameMaker Word import filter leaves a line-feed character at the end of
>each paragraph. You can't see it, but it is there and apparently affects
>your search. I routinely strip them out in my scripts. A MIF-wash should
>remove them.

Thanks Rick - very helpful (as always)

-- 
Steve

End-of-flow wildcard?

At 18:51 -0800 19/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:

>A slow process (would take me a day or two for around less than 100 page 
>documents), but resulted in cleaner FM files ultimately. Also gave me a chance 
>to read the document and verify what I wanted it to say and look like. :)

I always 'maggy' a Word document to get a clean copy before import, and I've 
not had too many issues. But it would be good to get the L/F characters out.

Having said 'not too many issues', this book has thrown up some new ones. The 
source is from three authors working in Word in Finland: quite a lot of 
inter-word spaces disappeared, and for some - but not all - files, all the 
ligatures ('fl', 'fi' etc) disappeared too! I've never seen this before in a 
couple of decades of inter-working between Word and FrameMaker. So 'flow' 
became 'ow', 'first' became 'rst', 'configuration' became 'conguration' and so 
on. These are the sorts of things that make an editor's life fun :-(

['Maggying', for anyone not familiar with it, consists of copying all of a Word 
document except the final pilcrow, then pasting it into a new, clean Word 
document and working with that. I believe the technique was named after its 
originator. It can solve a lot of issues with Word, as apparently the final 
pilcrow 'hides' a great deal of Word-crud.]

-- 
Steve

FrameMaker 12: e-publishing options

At 06:16 + 17/1/14, Maxwell Hoffmann wrote:

>Early Reviews for #Adobe Tech Comm Suite 5 and FrameMaker 12 from TechWhirl - 
>http://bit.ly/1cy87qc

The thing that really caught my eye here was the ability to output to ePub and 
Kindle.

I would be *very* interested in any feedback that arises on how well this 
works. At present my clients subcontract Kindle work, at extra cost, and the 
results I've seen have been less than optimal. Were I able to offer 
e-publishing options for FrameMaker-developed books at low (or even zero) cost, 
it would justify the price of a 10->12 upgrade. The dream option would be to 
output to pre-press PDF and Kindle with zero extra work, but I expect it's more 
complex than that. (I know little or nothing about the Kindle format.)

Also, does this require the entire TCS suite, or can it be done from FrameMaker 
only?

-- 
Steve

End-of-flow wildcard?

Maggying (named after former list member Maggie Secara, who first promoted the 
technique here and on the copyeditors list) was a useful technique when Word 
used a proprietary binary file format. The entire stylesheet and lots of other 
voodoo was embedded in the final pilcrow character as a big binary lump and the 
only way to force Word to rebuild it if it became corrupted was to Maggie the 
document. 

But in the current XML-based Word file format (.docx, .docm, .dotx, .dotm 
extensions used in Word 2007 and later) does not use the same "embed formatting 
in the pilcrow" technique. Instead, the single file you see is actually a zip 
archive that contains dozens of separate XML objects that contain all the 
formatting info and other metadata along with other XML objects for graphics 
and the text of the file. There is absolutely no evidence that Maggying has any 
beneficial effect on Word documents that use the Office XML format. It won't 
*hurt* anything to do it, but it won't fix anything, either.

-Fred Ridder

> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:15:57 +
> To: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net; rick at rickquatro.com; craigede at 
> hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> From: srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk
> Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
> 
> At 18:51 -0800 19/1/14, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) wrote:
> 
> >A slow process (would take me a day or two for around less than 100 page 
> >documents), but resulted in cleaner FM files ultimately. Also gave me a 
> >chance to read the document and verify what I wanted it to say and look 
> >like. :)
> 
> I always 'maggy' a Word document to get a clean copy before import, and I've 
> not had too many issues. But it would be good to get the L/F characters out.
> 
> Having said 'not too many issues', this book has thrown up some new ones. The 
> source is from three authors working in Word in Finland: quite a lot of 
> inter-word spaces disappeared, and for some - but not all - files, all the 
> ligatures ('fl', 'fi' etc) disappeared too! I've never seen this before in a 
> couple of decades of inter-working between Word and FrameMaker. So 'flow' 
> became 'ow', 'first' became 'rst', 'configuration' became 'conguration' and 
> so on. These are the sorts of things that make an editor's life fun :-(
> 
> ['Maggying', for anyone not familiar with it, consists of copying all of a 
> Word document except the final pilcrow, then pasting it into a new, clean 
> Word document and working with that. I believe the technique was named after 
> its originator. It can solve a lot of issues with Word, as apparently the 
> final pilcrow 'hides' a great deal of Word-crud.]
> 
> -- 
> Steve
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End-of-flow wildcard?

At 08:03 -0500 20/1/14, Fred Ridder wrote:

>But in the current XML-based Word file format (.docx, .docm, .dotx, .dotm 
>extensions used in Word 2007 and later) does not use the same "embed 
>formatting in the pilcrow" technique. Instead, the single file you see is 
>actually a zip archive that contains dozens of separate XML objects that 
>contain all the formatting info and other metadata along with other XML 
>objects for graphics and the text of the file. There is absolutely no evidence 
>that Maggying has any beneficial effect on Word documents that use the Office 
>XML format. It won't *hurt* anything to do it, but it won't fix anything, 
>either.

Thanks for that clarification, Fred - you are of course absolutely right. As I 
still work in Word 2004, I still maggy stuff.

[I've not heard anything that leads me to believe that more recent versions of 
Word offer any substantive improvements, but my views are based on the Mac 
versions, which have always been the poor cousins of the Windows versions.)

-- 
Steve

End-of-flow wildcard?

There are two areas of improvements in Word versions from 2007 onwards that 
probably should be of interest to you because they can have a direct effect on 
the problem you described in your previous message. Those improvements relate 
to Unicode fonts and ligatures. The recognition and proper handling of TrueType 
ligatures was one of the major changes in Word 2010, which I assume also 
trickled down to Word 2011 for Mac. Has your client recently upgraded from the 
Word 2007/2008 generation to Word 2010 or later? If their files contain 
"ligatures done right" from a more current version of Word, that could explain 
why your copy of Word 2004 doesn't recognize them at all.

-Fred

> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:08:34 +
> To: docudoc at hotmail.com; syed.hosain at aeris.net; rick at rickquatro.com; 
> craigede at hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> From: srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk
> Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
> 
> At 08:03 -0500 20/1/14, Fred Ridder wrote:
> 
> >But in the current XML-based Word file format (.docx, .docm, .dotx, .dotm 
> >extensions used in Word 2007 and later) does not use the same "embed 
> >formatting in the pilcrow" technique. Instead, the single file you see is 
> >actually a zip archive that contains dozens of separate XML objects that 
> >contain all the formatting info and other metadata along with other XML 
> >objects for graphics and the text of the file. There is absolutely no 
> >evidence that Maggying has any beneficial effect on Word documents that use 
> >the Office XML format. It won't *hurt* anything to do it, but it won't fix 
> >anything, either.
> 
> Thanks for that clarification, Fred - you are of course absolutely right. As 
> I still work in Word 2004, I still maggy stuff.
> 
> [I've not heard anything that leads me to believe that more recent versions 
> of Word offer any substantive improvements, but my views are based on the Mac 
> versions, which have always been the poor cousins of the Windows versions.)
> 
> -- 
> Steve

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End-of-flow wildcard?

At 08:20 -0500 20/1/14, Fred Ridder wrote:

>There are two areas of improvements in Word versions from 2007 onwards that 
>probably should be of interest to you because they can have a direct effect on 
>the problem you described in your previous message. Those improvements relate 
>to Unicode fonts and ligatures.

Useful to know.

> The recognition and proper handling of TrueType ligatures was one of the 
> major changes in Word 2010, which I assume also trickled down to Word 2011 
> for Mac. Has your client recently upgraded from the Word 2007/2008 generation 
> to Word 2010 or later?

Hard to be sure, as Word doesn't seem to put a version stamp into its binaries 
(if they are such) denoting its version, as FrameMaker does.  No sign of a 
'docx file anywhere in the delivery. I would also assume that they worked in 
Windows.

I get all manner of stuff coming in from Word, in all manner of qualities and 
with multiple versions, but in this case I'd say probably not Word 2010+ for 
the delivery, as the book arrived as one large .doc file, which I then burst 
into chapters for import into FrameMaker. The interesting thing was that only 
some of the chapters showed the ligature issue: my hunch is that all three 
authors worked in potentially differing versions, and the lead author then 
munged the lot into one file for delivery and to produce a PDF. I guess I could 
ask, if anyone following this thread is interested.

> If their files contain "ligatures done right" from a more current version of 
> Word, that could explain why your copy of Word 2004 doesn't recognize them at 
> all.

Indeed, I'm sure this is the reason. The whole-book PDF doesn't show the 
ligatures issue, but this is to be expected from your suggestions. And only 
some bits showed it in the .doc import.

I am in no way trying to be critical here - in fact this book's ms was of a 
considerably higher technical standard than many I've worked with.

This also highlights an generic issue with publishers: the level of technical 
guidance for author presentation of manuscripts varies quite a bit, from 
detailed to almost non-existent. Probably the majority of Word users don't 
realise the pitfalls that it can generate. But that's a whole other issue, and 
doesn't belong here, interesting though it is ;-)

Thanks.
-- 
Steve

End-of-flow wildcard?

Are either of you using Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug-in? At my last employer 
about a decade ago (my, how time files when you're having fun...) I converted 
well over 10K pages of legacy Word documentation to FrameMaker and I know I 
could never have done it without Rick's plug-in. It got rid of all sorts of 
Word-specific cruft and dealt with the way Frame imported every Word table with 
the "custom ruling and shading" flag set so that you wouldn't get the expected 
results when you applied a Frame table style. And it did it all in a single 
step. 

-Fred Ridder

> From: Syed.Hosain at aeris.net
> To: rick at rickquatro.com; srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk; craigede at 
> hotmail.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 18:51:26 -0800
> Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
> 
> Rick Quatro said:
> > The FrameMaker Word import filter leaves a line-feed character at the end 
> > of each paragraph. You can't see it, but it is there and apparently affects 
> > your search. I routinely strip them out in my scripts. A MIF-wash should 
> > remove them.
> 
> I have seen exactly this too. But, as I recall, a MIF-wash did not clear it 
> up for me ... have not checked recently though.
> 
> If the file was not too large and I had a bit of time for initial cleanup, my 
> usual method was to bring it in as text and re-apply what FrameMaker 
> paragraph and character formats I needed.
> 
> A slow process (would take me a day or two for around less than 100 page 
> documents), but resulted in cleaner FM files ultimately. Also gave me a 
> chance to read the document and verify what I wanted it to say and look like. 
> :)
> 
> Z
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rickaby
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 10:26 AM
> To: Craig Ede; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: End-of-flow wildcard?
> 
> At 09:07 -0600 19/1/14, Craig Ede wrote:
> 
> >Hmmm, I know I used it for searches in that version. Let me look into it on 
> >my old laptop.
> >
> >For FM 10 it's \f. Wildcards don't have to be on.
> 
> This is getting more interesting. \f does work in FrameMaker 7, but it only 
> finds some instances of the '.\f' combo I'm trying to find.
> 
> However - and it's a big 'however' - the source came from Word, and the 
> instances of '.\f' that FrameMaker *is* finding are those I've typed, but not 
> those that came from Word. My guess is that - for the Word-sourced material - 
> what looks like a period/end of flow on screen is something else, and/or has 
> some invisible Word-type-crud after the period but before the end of the 
> flow. And copying them from the document to the Find field doesn't work 
> either: copy/pasting the period alone works, but doesn't work when '\f'
> is added to the find string.
> 
> Probably the best way to sort this is to de-table the lot, MIF-wash it and 
> re-table it all again, but it's Sunday...
> 
> So the bottom line is that '\f' is what I was looking for - the Word crud is 
> my problem. So double thanks ;-)
> 
> --
> Steve
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End-of-flow wildcard?

At 09:13 -0500 20/1/14, Fred Ridder wrote:

>Are either of you using Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plug-in?

Nope. All those wonderful plug-ins will become available to me when I get a box 
that will run my copy of FrameMaker 10 (trip to local Apple Store to talk to a 
guru scheduled for March).

Authors don't have any contact with FrameMaker, and I'm still using 7 for Mac. 
(And boy has it earned it's keep!)

> At my last employer about a decade ago (my, how time files when you're having 
> fun...) I converted well over 10K pages of legacy Word documentation to 
> FrameMaker and I know I could never have done it without Rick's plug-in. It 
> got rid of all sorts of Word-specific cruft and dealt with the way Frame 
> imported every Word table with the "custom ruling and shading" flag set so 
> that you wouldn't get the expected results when you applied a Frame table 
> style. And it did it all in a single step.

I'm sure Rick is happy to read this ;-)

Generally - and perhaps fortunately - my source material tends not to be 
table-heavy. The table that started this thread was one that I created here, as 
it's a convenient way of handling reference lists. Or would be, if FrameMaker 7 
didn't suffer from the bug that strips xref markers when you sort a table. (Has 
this gone from later versions, I wonder?)

-- 
Steve

FrameMaker 12--Has anyone tried it yet?

2014-01-20 Thread Gutierrez, Anita


Setting the money discussion aside (fascinating as it is), I'd be interested to 
hear how Frame 12 handles the road.  

Is it stable?  

Do the new features work as advertised? 

How do the resulting HMTL5, Kindle, and other save-as formats look and behave?  

Shlomo, do TimeSavers and your other plugins work with v12 as they are, or is 
there further action required?

Frank/Marjorie, is a corresponding FrameScript version due out soon?

Does Cudspan's TemplateMapper work with v12?  (Admittedly I was on v7 when I 
last used TemplateMapper, but I'm now on v10 and may have need of this 
functionality again soon.)

Anything else of interest?

Anita



Anita Maria Gutierrez
Curriculum Developer
Sage Construction and Real Estate

OT: looking for a font designer

Hi group

I've got Illustrator EPS vector graphics which I use as icons for notes,
warnings, tips etc. I'd like to create a custom (OpenType) font for these
icons, so I can create a character format and use that in my autonumbering.

So, I'm looking for a professional font designer/developer who can do this.
Any ideas/suggestions/recommendations?

Thanks

-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu
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FrameMaker 12--Has anyone tried it yet?

On 20 Jan 2014 at 15:37, Gutierrez, Anita wrote:

> Is it stable?  
Due to the new function Restore Session and the (not documented) behaviour at 
system problems even 
unstable situations can be overcome:
- I have situations (especially when not waiting long enough for the smart 
catalogue
  to pop up for the first time and just typing ahead) that FM-12 consumes 
nearly 100% cpu
  (well, 48% on a dual processor PC).
- In these situations I click on the close button (the X top right) and FM saves
  the open file without a problem.
- In most cases FM quits then, in other cases I kill the process.
- Starting FM and using "File > Restore session" lets me continue where I just 
was stuck.
- IMHO this is great - because there are numerous situations to bring 
  a Windows program into trouble.

> Do the new features work as advertised? 
I'm only working in unstructured mode and for this not much has changed. 
However the GUI became much 
more user friendly with coloured and/or larger toolbar buttons. Also the icons 
in the pods can be 
coloured. This makes them more easy to recognise.

> Shlomo, do TimeSavers and your other plugins work with v12 as they are, or
> is there further action required?
I dont't know about Time Savers, but you may have a look at 
http://www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker71.html

> Frank/Marjorie, is a corresponding FrameScript version due out soon?
FrameScript 6 works fine with FM-12. I have no problems with the full script 
suite from itl (called 
[i]-frame)

Just my 5 cents...
Klaus Daube
~~
Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich
Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper
F: +41-44-422 86 25  E: ddd at daube.ch  W: www.daube.ch

End-of-flow wildcard?

On 19 Jan 2014 at 9:56, Craig Ede wrote:

> If I change the search to something like .\f (to search for a period
> before and end of flow) it finds all periods. Similarly with space. But it
> ignores the end of flow symbol and so finds periods at the end of every
> sentence or spaces wherever they occur. Useless!

May it help to start the search at the end of the document and then "find 
backwards". You need this 
technique for example to find those darn superfluous CR:

?
Importing from Word may leave CR characters (\x0D) and other illegal characters 
(e.g. \x01) in the 
file. These restrict an FM search to the paragraph ending with CR. You can find 
these characters only 
by searching backwards from the end of the flow. Clean the file by saving as 
MIF, opening the MIF, 
saving as FM.
?

BTW the 'end of flow' character is entered in the find dialogue (no wildcards!) 
as \f or \x0b .

HTH
Klaus Daube
~~
Docu + Design Daube; Sch?racher 11; CH-8053 Z?rich
Technical documentation & consultancy; On-line and paper
F: +41-44-422 86 25  E: ddd at daube.ch  W: www.daube.ch

OT: looking for a font designer

Hi David

I'm afraid it's not that simple. I have already tested some font editors,
including FontCreator, Fontographer, FontForge and TypeTool and I saw that
the fill and/or stroke of some objects is not always preserved when the EPS
is imported into these editors.

Moreover, the (technical) properties of the font need to be specified
correctly, so that the font embedding/subsetting works properly when we
generate a PDF (and print it) from the FrameMaker files.

Cheers

-- 
Yves Barbion
www.scripto.nu
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FrameMaker 12--Has anyone tried it yet?

2014-01-20 Thread Shlomo Perets

Latest version of FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers version, 5.6.x, and all
latest versions of the Assistants,  work fine with FrameMaker 12.

Shlomo Perets
http://microtype.com



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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gutierrez, Anita
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:38 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: FrameMaker 12--Has anyone tried it yet?


Setting the money discussion aside (fascinating as it is), I'd be interested
to hear how Frame 12 handles the road.  

Is it stable?  

Do the new features work as advertised? 

How do the resulting HMTL5, Kindle, and other save-as formats look and
behave?  

Shlomo, do TimeSavers and your other plugins work with v12 as they are, or
is there further action required?

Frank/Marjorie, is a corresponding FrameScript version due out soon?

Does Cudspan's TemplateMapper work with v12?  (Admittedly I was on v7 when I
last used TemplateMapper, but I'm now on v10 and may have need of this
functionality again soon.)

Anything else of interest?

Anita



Anita Maria Gutierrez
Curriculum Developer
Sage Construction and Real Estate
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Applying a character tag to text in FM10

All,

A client is insisting on using a proprietary font in the source FM files
despite my best attempts to keep them vanilla with Times New Roman and
Arial. They have supplied me with two font sets for this font - one is
Regular weight (to be used for any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags)
and a Bold weight (to be used for any paragraph tags that are Heading tags).
I have several character formats in my catalog that I want to be able to
continue to use. One of these tags is Emphasis. All properties for the tag
are set to As Is with the exception of the angle, which I have set to
Italic.

When I apply this tag to any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags (i.e.,
the tags use the regular weight version of this proprietary font), the tag
is apparently not applied. The font angle does not change, and in the lower
left corner of the page identifying what tags are being used, I see Emphasis
with an asterisk in front of it (*Emphasis). I thought that maybe I had
corrupted the tag somehow, so I applied the same tag to some text that used
simply good old Times New Roman font in the same document, and voila, the
text was immediately italicized and the tag showed Emphasis without an
asterisk.

I have not really ever had to use proprietary fonts before in a FM source
file, so I am obviously missing something behind the use of such fonts that
is preventing character tags from being applied as expected.

Any guidance/assistance is greatly appreciated.

Regards,

TVB

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2014-01-20 Thread Stuart Rogers

On 2014-Jan-20 5:43 PM, Tammy Van Boening wrote:
> Applying a character tag to text in FM10
>
> All,
>
> A client is insisting on using a proprietary font in the source FM 
> files despite my best attempts to keep them vanilla with Times New 
> Roman and Arial. Theyhave supplied me with two font sets for this font 
> - one is Regular weight (to be used for any paragraph tags that are 
> non-Heading tags) and a Bold weight (to be used for any paragraph tags 
> that are Heading tags).  I have several character formats in my 
> catalog that I want to be able to continue to use. One of these tags 
> is Emphasis. All properties for the tag are set to As Is with the 
> exception of the angle, which I have set to Italic.
>
> When I apply this tag to any paragraph tags that are non-Heading tags 
> (i.e., the tags use the regular weight version of this proprietary 
> font), the tag is apparently not applied. The font angle does not 
> change, and in the lower left corner of the page identifying what tags 
> are being used, I seeEmphasis with an asterisk in front of it 
> (*Emphasis).  I thought that maybe I had corrupted the tag somehow, so 
> I applied the same tag to some text that used simply good old Times 
> New Roman font in the same document, and voila, the text was 
> immediately italicized and the tag showed Emphasis without an asterisk.
>
> I have not really ever had to use proprietary fonts before in a FM 
> source file, so I am obviously missing something behind the use of 
> such fonts that is preventing character tags from being applied as 
> expected.
>
> Any guidance/assistance is greatly appreciated.
>
> Regards,
>
> TVB
>
>

My first guess is that the Regular font set does not contain the glyphs 
for italics -- especially given that the client has provided a 
completely separate file for Bold. So FM is attempting to apply the tag, 
but it can't change the appearance because the needed characters don't 
exist.  You might be able to redefine the tag to use "Obliqued" as the 
angle, and FM will try to fake italics by sloping the roman glyphs. But 
the true solution would be to purchase the italic font file required.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

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