Re: [Framers] Questions about tech docs in an Agile environment (may be off-topic)

[Alastair Dent]

I would say that checkin comments on code should be written in such a way that 
they can be used for release notes. Force standards for the checkin comments. 
Then the build machine can be setup to extract the comments and spit out at 
least a text document containing the notes. 

'Quickstart' guides can be a good idea, as long as they are carefully targeted. 
I've seen requests for this sort of thing "Why can't you just write short 
simple guides like this, we don't need such big detailed manuals" when actually 
the 'short simple' guides were more in-depth, they just covered a very small 
topic and specific instance. If you model user interactions and target the key 
processes, yes I think it is possible. Structured walkthroughs of the use of 
the product can also be very useful. They are painful to write initially but 
then easier to keep up to date. As long as the product has good tooltips in 
theory less gui documentation is required.

-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+alastair.dent=imgtec@lists.frameusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Pat Christenson
Sent: 27 February 2017 22:43
To: fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: [Framers] Questions about tech docs in an Agile environment (may be 
off-topic)

My company has a very large suite of products and I'm the only tech writer. 
Software is developed in an agile environment, with some products releasing new 
features every 2 weeks. The largest product updates quarterly. I can easily 
spend almost a month on its release notes. We are using FrameMaker and 
publishing as a PDF.

In addition to keeping up with release notes (which are very detailed, if I 
didn't mention that), I'm supposed to be writing user & admin guides for the 
sub-products. The ones we have are hopelessly out-of-date.

With all this going on, by the time I finish a user guide, it is soon 
out-of-date and there just isn't time to transfer material from release notes 
to the user guide, repaginate, etc. and post it.

My team director and I are trying to come up with a more efficient way of 
getting this information to the user in a timely way and write much, much 
shorter release notes.

At this point, we're leaning towards the following:

  1.  Instead of long, detailed user guides, write shorter QuickStart guides, 
covering the basics. Once the user has absorbed this, they can go to the 
product's searchable Help to find info on a specific topic. (No one reads a 75+ 
page user guide, right? They read enough to get started and then search for 
info as they need it.)
  2.  Make release notes very brief-one or two sentences describing a 
new/enhanced feature and a couple of keywords so they can search the product 
help for the details.

Although several of our products have very basic Help, there is nothing in 
place like we're thinking of.

So long story short:


  *   Are you producing timely documentation within an agile software 
development environment? If so, how and is it working well?
  *   Is anyone doing something like what we're thinking of?
  *   What are your recommendations for tools? FrameMaker-to-Robohelp? Give up 
on Frame and write in Robohelp? Something else?
  *   Can you quickly add new material (topics & steps) to an existing Help 
system?

I developed a couple of Help systems years ago, using FrameMaker and Webworks. 
I'm not sure if that qualifies me as a newbie since so much time has gone by.

I will appreciate ALL your recommendations, whether sent to me privately or 
posted on the list.

P.S. Please don't recommend structure. There's no way we're going down that 
road for only one tech writer.

Pat Christenson

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RE: Interim tables of contents

[Alastair Dent]

Thanks for this

Sorry to anyone else who has possibly responded; I've been pulled away to a 
different project and haven't had time to catch up with the framers list.

From: rebecca officer [mailto:rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz]
Sent: 17 October 2013 02:48
To: Alastair Dent; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Interim tables of contents

Hi Alastair

I just read this, have been busy lately. In case you're still looking for an 
answer, it's easy: just open the chapter, go to Special  Table of Contents. If 
it asks whether you want to generate a Standalone TOC, say yes. Create the TOC 
with the desired set of paragraph tags. Then save the resulting TOC file and 
import it as a text inset at the start of your chapter.

To update it, create the TOC again, as above, and then update the text inset.

If you've got any questions, let me know.

Cheers
Rebecca

 Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.commailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com 
 3/10/13 22:27 
Is there any way of generating an interim table of contents in a document?

For example, if I have a large chapter, generating a list of the chapter 
headings at the start of the chapter.

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
www.imgtec.comhttp://www.imgtec.com/



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 3/10/13 22:27 
Is there any way of generating an interim table of contents in a document?

For example, if I have a large chapter, generating a list of the chapter 
headings at the start of the chapter.

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
www.imgtec.comhttp://www.imgtec.com/


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Interim tables of contents

[Alastair Dent]

Thanks for this

Sorry to anyone else who has possibly responded; I've been pulled away to a 
different project and haven't had time to catch up with the framers list.

From: rebecca officer [mailto:rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz]
Sent: 17 October 2013 02:48
To: Alastair Dent; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Interim tables of contents

Hi Alastair

I just read this, have been busy lately. In case you're still looking for an 
answer, it's easy: just open the chapter, go to Special > Table of Contents. If 
it asks whether you want to generate a Standalone TOC, say yes. Create the TOC 
with the desired set of paragraph tags. Then save the resulting TOC file and 
import it as a text inset at the start of your chapter.

To update it, create the TOC again, as above, and then update the text inset.

If you've got any questions, let me know.

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Alastair Dent mailto:alastair.dent at 
>>> imgtec.com>> 3/10/13 22:27 >>>
Is there any way of generating an interim table of contents in a document?

For example, if I have a large chapter, generating a list of the chapter 
headings at the start of the chapter.

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
www.imgtec.com<http://www.imgtec.com/>



>>> Alastair Dent mailto:alastair.dent at 
>>> imgtec.com>> 3/10/13 22:27 >>>
Is there any way of generating an interim table of contents in a document?

For example, if I have a large chapter, generating a list of the chapter 
headings at the start of the chapter.

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
www.imgtec.com<http://www.imgtec.com/>


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Interim tables of contents

[Alastair Dent]

Is there any way of generating an interim table of contents in a document?

For example, if I have a large chapter, generating a list of the chapter 
headings at the start of the chapter.

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
www.imgtec.comhttp://www.imgtec.com/

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Is there any way of generating an interim table of contents in a document?

For example, if I have a large chapter, generating a list of the chapter 
headings at the start of the chapter.

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RE: Word and Frame comparisons

[Alastair Dent]

This is 'sort of' possible in Word.

Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then 
it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. 
However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading 
Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading.

The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons

I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that 
I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph 
styles in one step:

(1) Create Heading1 Heading 2 Heading3 next to each other
(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
Designers
(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph 
style and that some of the values are set to As Is (probably font size)
(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
(5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to 
paragraphs in selected area
(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs 
in one step.

You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI



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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
To: Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

Here's a nice solution for that:
http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/



On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
 Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
 I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
 MS Word.

 In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.

 Can this be done in Word?

 Thanks,
 Theresa
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Word and Frame comparisons

[Alastair Dent]

This is 'sort of' possible in Word.

Word cascades style definitions. So you should define all your heading styles 
based on a style called, say, 'Heading Base'.  Then you only alter the design 
as required for each style. If all your headings use the same font family, then 
it is possible to change the font family by altering the 'Heading Base' style. 
However, if one of your headings uses a different font family from 'Heading 
Base', the new 'Heading Base' font family won't cascade to that heading.

The same applies to all other definitions in the paragraph style.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Maxwell Hoffmann
Sent: 19 September 2013 18:19
To: Shmuel Wolfson; Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Word and Frame comparisons

I can think of at least one thing FrameMaker can do with paragraph updates that 
I don't think is possible in Word; you can globally update multiple paragraph 
styles in one step:

(1) Create "Heading1" "Heading 2" "Heading3" next to each other
(2) Drag select through these 3 paragraphs, and Control-M to open Paragraph 
Designers
(3) Go to font level. Notice that there is no name displayed for the paragraph 
style and that some of the values are set to "As Is" (probably font size)
(4) Change the color to Blue and click on Update All
(5) FrameMaker will ask you if you'd like to apply only font changes to 
paragraphs in selected area
(6) Click OK, and you have just changed the catalog definition for 3 paragraphs 
in one step.

You can see a brief video demo of this at: http://adobe.ly/18ddZqI



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-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shmuel Wolfson
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:10 AM
To: Theresa de Valence
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Word and Frame comparisons

Here's a nice solution for that:
http://www.elharo.com/blog/word/2005/12/28/word-tip-1-reapplying-styles/



On 17-Sep-13 6:04 PM, Theresa de Valence wrote:
> Hi, this is possibly not the right place to ask this question, but ... 
> I have a lot of experience with Frame and very little experience with 
> MS Word.
>
> In Frame I can overwrite all paragraph format overrides with a click.
>
> Can this be done in Word?
>
> Thanks,
> Theresa
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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

That's not my experience, Craig.

This isn't the only frame key shortcut that has to be timed.

For example, if I want to apply a style, I press F9

I then need to wait for the list of styles to be displayed. Once it is up, I 
can type the name of the style to select it. If I type too fast - some 
keystrokes seem to go astray. If I type too slowly, Frame thinks I'm starting a 
different style with each letter.

Maybe I need a faster  PC.

From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 19 September 2013 06:13
To: Alastair Dent; 'Framer's List'
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

There is no timing to it. Press Esc; let it go; press m; let it go; press p; 
let it go. These are not keys pressed in combination but in sequence and you 
can count to 10 between the keystrokes if you want to. Works every time. It's 
the shrink-wrap function. Great for making sure you have the entire graphic 
showing in an anchored frame.

Remember: Don't press the keys at the same time; it's one after the other.

Craig

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:39 AM
To: Fred Ridder; Reng, Dr. Winfried; 
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.

I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems for 
some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely crucial.

Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only 
came in with Frame 11.

When I have received off-list responses, I've often responded to the list, not 
directly to the sender. Not all of my responses to the list are coming up on 
the list, and some are taking as long as 3 days to appear.

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 September 2013 03:42
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; 
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions.

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder
 From: alastair.d...@imgtec.commailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com
 To: wr...@tycoint.commailto:wr...@tycoint.com; 
 framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +

 Winfried, I could kiss you.

 That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
 too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
 insertion point.

 Do we have gold star awards for framers?

 -Original Message-
 From: 
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
  [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
 Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

 Hi Alastair,

 I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
 Of course this depends always on your audience ...

 Why don't you do it this way?
 Copy the new icon.
 Place the cursor where you want it to have.
 Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
 Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
 icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
 these keys one after the other.

 If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
 frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
 Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
 Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

 Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
 After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

 Best regards

 Winfried

  -Original Message-
  From: 
  framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
   [mailto:framers-
  boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On 
  Behalf Of Alastair Dent
  Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
  To: Robert Lauriston
  Cc: David Creamer

Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

That's not my experience, Craig.

This isn't the only frame key shortcut that has to be timed.

For example, if I want to apply a style, I press F9

I then need to wait for the list of styles to be displayed. Once it is up, I 
can type the name of the style to select it. If I type too fast - some 
keystrokes seem to go astray. If I type too slowly, Frame thinks I'm starting a 
different style with each letter.

Maybe I need a faster  PC.

From: Craig Ede [mailto:craig...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 19 September 2013 06:13
To: Alastair Dent; 'Framer's List'
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

There is no timing to it. Press Esc; let it go; press m; let it go; press p; 
let it go. These are not keys pressed in combination but in sequence and you 
can count to 10 between the keystrokes if you want to. Works every time. It's 
the shrink-wrap function. Great for making sure you have the entire graphic 
showing in an anchored frame.

Remember: Don't press the keys at the same time; it's one after the other.

Craig

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Alastair Dent
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 2:39 AM
To: Fred Ridder; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at 
lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.

I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems for 
some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely crucial.

Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only 
came in with Frame 11.

When I have received off-list responses, I've often responded to the list, not 
directly to the sender. Not all of my responses to the list are coming up on 
the list, and some are taking as long as 3 days to appear.

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 September 2013 03:42
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at 
lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions.

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder
> From: alastair.dent at imgtec.com<mailto:alastair.dent at imgtec.com>
> To: wreng at tycoint.com<mailto:wreng at tycoint.com>; framers at 
> lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
>
> Winfried, I could kiss you.
>
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
> too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
> insertion point.
>
> Do we have gold star awards for framers?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
> Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Hi Alastair,
>
> I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
> Of course this depends always on your audience ...
>
> Why don't you do it this way?
> Copy the new icon.
> Place the cursor where you want it to have.
> Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
> Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
> icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
> these keys one after the other.
>
> If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
> frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
> Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
> Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
>
> Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
> After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> > --

RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.

I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems for 
some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely crucial.

Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only 
came in with Frame 11.

When I have received off-list responses, I've often responded to the list, not 
directly to the sender. Not all of my responses to the list are coming up on 
the list, and some are taking as long as 3 days to appear.

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 September 2013 03:42
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions.

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder
 From: alastair.d...@imgtec.commailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com
 To: wr...@tycoint.commailto:wr...@tycoint.com; 
 framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
 Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +

 Winfried, I could kiss you.

 That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
 too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
 insertion point.

 Do we have gold star awards for framers?

 -Original Message-
 From: 
 framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
  [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
 Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

 Hi Alastair,

 I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
 Of course this depends always on your audience ...

 Why don't you do it this way?
 Copy the new icon.
 Place the cursor where you want it to have.
 Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
 Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
 icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
 these keys one after the other.

 If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
 frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
 Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
 Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

 Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
 After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

 Best regards

 Winfried

  -Original Message-
  From: 
  framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
   [mailto:framers-
  boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On 
  Behalf Of Alastair Dent
  Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
  To: Robert Lauriston
  Cc: David Creamer; 
  framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
 
  I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
 
  The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame
  doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
  doesn't replace it.
  Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the
  centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
 
  Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for
  the end user.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: robert.lauris...@gmail.commailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com 
  [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com]
  On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
  Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
  To: Alastair Dent
  Cc: David Creamer; 
  framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
  Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
 
  Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult,
  they're usually all in one directory.
 
  Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file
  create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you 
  want them.
  Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon
  bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
 
  I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote
  a FrameScript macro

Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I'm sorry you feel that way, Fred.

I did try your solution and couldn't get it to work straight off. It seems for 
some reason that the timing of the entry of esc m p is absolutely crucial.

Winfried was the first to suggest using object styles, maybe because they only 
came in with Frame 11.

When I have received off-list responses, I've often responded to the list, not 
directly to the sender. Not all of my responses to the list are coming up on 
the list, and some are taking as long as 3 days to appear.

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 18 September 2013 03:42
To: Alastair Dent; Reng, Dr. Winfried; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

For the record, I recommended this exact solution in a direct (off-list) reply 
to Alastair last Monday, within hours of his original query appearing on the 
list. I use it all the time and would go crazy without it.

It appears that perhaps Alastair (or his employer) has his email account set up 
to block messages from unknown individuals and only accepts messages that are 
posted to the list. At least one other poster has noted he sent several private 
replies to you that had gone unacknowledged even though they proposed workable 
solutions.

If you're posting a query, it probably would be a very good idea for you to 
mention any restriction to how list members should reply (e.g. direct replies 
only because you're on digest, or on-list replies only due to email filtering) 
so that the rest of us don't waste too much time and energy.

Cranky in New Jersey...
-Fred Ridder
> From: alastair.dent at imgtec.com<mailto:alastair.dent at imgtec.com>
> To: wreng at tycoint.com<mailto:wreng at tycoint.com>; framers at 
> lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 08:54:51 +
>
> Winfried, I could kiss you.
>
> That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; 
> too fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the 
> insertion point.
>
> Do we have gold star awards for framers?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
> Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Hi Alastair,
>
> I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
> Of course this depends always on your audience ...
>
> Why don't you do it this way?
> Copy the new icon.
> Place the cursor where you want it to have.
> Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
> Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
> icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
> these keys one after the other.
>
> If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
> frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
> Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
> Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.
>
> Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
> After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.
>
> Best regards
>
> Winfried
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
> > lists.frameusers.com> [mailto:framers-
> > bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:bounces at lists.frameusers.com>] On 
> > Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> > To: Robert Lauriston
> > Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at 
> > lists.frameusers.com>
> > Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
> >
> > I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
> >
> > The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame
> > doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
> > doesn't replace it.
> > Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the
> > centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
> >
> > Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for
> > the end user.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com<mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com> 
> > [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com]
> > On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> > Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> > To: Alastair Dent
> > Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com<ma

RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

Winfried, I could kiss you. 

That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; too 
fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the insertion 
point.

Do we have gold star awards for framers?

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

Hi Alastair,

I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends always on your audience ...

Why don't you do it this way?
Copy the new icon.
Place the cursor where you want it to have.
Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
these keys one after the other.

If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

Best regards

Winfried

 -Original Message-
 From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
 boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
 Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
 To: Robert Lauriston
 Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

 I'm using something like your suggested workflow.

 The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame 
 doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
 doesn't replace it.
 Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
 centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

 Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for 
 the end user.

 -Original Message-
 From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] 
 On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
 Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
 To: Alastair Dent
 Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

 Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, 
 they're usually all in one directory.

 Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file 
 create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you 
 want them.
 Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon 
 bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

 I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote 
 a FrameScript macro.

 To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

 On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
 alastair.d...@imgtec.com
 wrote:
  I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
 buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button 
 icons from the entire product and convert them would be a huge job.



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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

Winfried, I could kiss you. 

That works - although I have to be careful with the timing of the ESC m p; too 
fast and it doesn't work, too slow and it just types 'mp' at the insertion 
point.

Do we have gold star awards for framers?

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Dr. Winfried
Sent: 17 September 2013 08:51
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

Hi Alastair,

I also think that icons are far better than just the tooltip text.
Of course this depends always on your audience ...

Why don't you do it this way?
Copy the new icon.
Place the cursor where you want it to have.
Paste the graphic there (CTRL + V).
Press ESC m p (which will shrinkwrap the anchored frame to the size of your 
icon; additonally the anchoring position is set to At Insertion Point). Press 
these keys one after the other.

If the icon should be moved up or down, then you have to select the anchored 
frame and change the Distance above Baseline.
Create an object style with the correct distance and save it.
Then you can apply this setting with a mouse click.

Or do you have other settings of your anchored frame?
After all these e-mails I do not know your actual settings.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- 
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:54 AM
> To: Robert Lauriston
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics
>
> I'm using something like your suggested workflow.
>
> The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame 
> doesn't work well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting 
> doesn't replace it.
> Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the 
> centre of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.
>
> Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for 
> the end user.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauriston at gmail.com] 
> On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
> To: Alastair Dent
> Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics
>
> Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, 
> they're usually all in one directory.
>
> Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file 
> create one frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you 
> want them.
> Copy and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon 
> bitmap, select the scratch icon bitmap, and paste.
>
> I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote 
> a FrameScript macro.
>
> To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent 
> 
> wrote:
> > I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which
> buttons I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button 
> icons from the entire product and convert them would be a huge job.



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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I'm using something like your suggested workflow.

The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work 
well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it. 
Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre 
of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end 
user. 

-Original Message-
From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: David Creamer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're 
usually all in one directory.

Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one 
frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them. Copy 
and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap, select the 
scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a 
FrameScript macro.

To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com wrote:
 I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
 I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
 entire product and convert them would be a huge job.

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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I'm using something like your suggested workflow.

The downside of it is that pasting into the pre-formatted frame doesn't work 
well. Even if the scratch icon bitmap is selected, pasting doesn't replace it. 
Selecting the frame and pasting results in the bitmap appearing in the centre 
of the page. It has to be manually dragged from there to the frame.

Just documenting the tooltip text is a huge failure in usability for the end 
user. 

-Original Message-
From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 15 September 2013 18:30
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: David Creamer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

Extracting the icons from the plug-in source should not be difficult, they're 
usually all in one directory.

Assuming the icons are all the same size, in a separate .fm file create one 
frame with one scratch icon bitmap with all the settings as you want them. Copy 
and paste that into your main document, copy your new icon bitmap, select the 
scratch icon bitmap, and paste.

I think that's the fastest workflow you'll get unless maybe you wrote a 
FrameScript macro.

To me it seems like a huge waste of time. I'd just document the tooltip text.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 1:40 AM, Alastair Dent  
wrote:
> I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons 
> I need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the 
> entire product and convert them would be a huge job.

RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I don't think you quite understand.

I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons I 
need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the entire 
product and convert them would be a huge job.

What Frame needs is a way of defining frame 'tags'. These could be set up in 
the reference pages of a template, then applied to a frame.

Also, pasting a bitmap into a selected frame should not result in the bitmap 
appearing outside the frame, in the centre of the display. 

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: 12 September 2013 23:00
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

 As a workflow that would be simply impractical.

You are right--manually inserting hundreds of graphics is better than setting 
up a character tag or table tag and changing a letter to show the desired 
button. 

I my mind, I see it easier to put all the buttons in one font  (not one font 
per button). When typing, one could simply enter in a character for the button 
desired. 

David Creamer
IDEAS Training
http://www.ideastraining.com


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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I don't think you quite understand.

I'm documenting a complex plugin for Eclipse. I will only know which buttons I 
need in the text as I'm writing. To pull out the button icons from the entire 
product and convert them would be a huge job.

What Frame needs is a way of defining frame 'tags'. These could be set up in 
the reference pages of a template, then applied to a frame.

Also, pasting a bitmap into a selected frame should not result in the bitmap 
appearing outside the frame, in the centre of the display. 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: 12 September 2013 23:00
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Inserting inline graphics

> As a workflow that would be simply impractical.

You are right--manually inserting hundreds of graphics is better than setting 
up a character tag or table tag and changing a letter to show the desired 
button. 

I my mind, I see it easier to put all the buttons in one font  (not one font 
per button). When typing, one could simply enter in a character for the button 
desired. 

David Creamer
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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

That sounds like a good idea, except that in Frame 11, selecting an bitmap in a 
frame and pasting a bitmap doesn't replace the selection! I can paste into an 
empty frame. The pasted bitmap is placed on the centre of the page but can be 
manually dragged into the frame.
I'm very disappointed in how poor Frame is at handling this. I could literally 
code HTML faster in a text editor, including adding graphics, than do this work 
in Frame.



From: robert.lauris...@gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 10 September 2013 21:20
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: m...@mattrsullivan.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

It might save time to copy and paste an existing frame containing an icon, copy 
the icon you need, select the icon in the frame, and paste to replace it.
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RE: Printing Color Images

[Alastair Dent]

So you are embedding a pdf in the frame document?

When you output your pdfs, what are the colour settings in pdfmaker?

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Sent: 11 September 2013 03:46
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Printing Color Images

This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.

I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a 
pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document 
that will be sent for commercial printing using Spot Color not process 
printing.  How can I accomplish this?

The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into Frame 
10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced  Print 
Production  Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK not my spot 
pantone colors.

I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format should 
display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution might start 
there.

Ed Nodland
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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

As a workflow that would be simply impractical.

This product has many, many button icons. More than exist in Word, for example. 
Many more.

I won't be using all of them. As I'm writing I will be 'inventing' procedures 
where I need to say 'Click X to ...'

I need a quick method for placing a screenshot of the button icon inline in a 
paragraph.

If I were writing in Word, I'd just paste the bitmap and use a macro to adjust 
size (if required).
If I were writing in HTML I'd save the bitmap as a file, then type a link in 
the html (using a class to control size and placing).

In Frame it seems to be a four-step manual process to paste and place the 
bitmap - and the placing and sizing can't even be controlled with a style.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: 11 September 2013 13:55
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

What about converting the graphic to a font?
http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/typetool/

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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

That sounds like a good idea, except that in Frame 11, selecting an bitmap in a 
frame and pasting a bitmap doesn't replace the selection! I can paste into an 
empty frame. The pasted bitmap is placed on the centre of the page but can be 
manually dragged into the frame.
I'm very disappointed in how poor Frame is at handling this. I could literally 
code HTML faster in a text editor, including adding graphics, than do this work 
in Frame.



From: robert.lauriston at gmail.com [mailto:robert.lauris...@gmail.com] On 
Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: 10 September 2013 21:20
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: matt at mattrsullivan.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

It might save time to copy and paste an existing frame containing an icon, copy 
the icon you need, select the icon in the frame, and paste to replace it.
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Printing Color Images

[Alastair Dent]

So you are embedding a pdf in the frame document?

When you output your pdfs, what are the colour settings in pdfmaker?

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Ed Nodland
Sent: 11 September 2013 03:46
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Printing Color Images

This seems like it should be simple and done routinely by many others.

I have an image of a flammable substance label.  It has a pantone red, a 
pantone yellow, and black. I want to use the image in a Framemaker document 
that will be sent for commercial printing using "Spot Color" not process 
printing.  How can I accomplish this?

The image is an Illustrator file. I save the file to PDF, load it into Frame 
10, save the Frame file as PDF, open in acrobat pro and use Advanced > Print 
Production > Output Preview to see that the image is a mix of CMYK not my spot 
pantone colors.

I also suspect that the image saved from Illustrator as a PDF format should 
display the spot colors but it does not. So the problem/solution might start 
there.

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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

As a workflow that would be simply impractical.

This product has many, many button icons. More than exist in Word, for example. 
Many more.

I won't be using all of them. As I'm writing I will be 'inventing' procedures 
where I need to say 'Click X to ...'

I need a quick method for placing a screenshot of the button icon inline in a 
paragraph.

If I were writing in Word, I'd just paste the bitmap and use a macro to adjust 
size (if required).
If I were writing in HTML I'd save the bitmap as a file, then type a link in 
the html (using a class to control size and placing).

In Frame it seems to be a four-step manual process to paste and place the 
bitmap - and the placing and sizing can't even be controlled with a style.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Creamer
Sent: 11 September 2013 13:55
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

What about converting the graphic to a font?
http://www.fontlab.com/font-editor/typetool/

David Creamer
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http://www.ideastraining.com
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RE: Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

Thanks for your reply, Matt.

When I do the initial paste, FM defaults to placing the button icon below the 
insertion point line. Can I configure it to paste inline?


Thank other people for their responses. Setting up a document and 
pre-configuring the graphics in there is simply not practical. There are 
hundreds of icons in this product and I will only know which ones I need to use 
as I'm writing.

From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]
Sent: 09 September 2013 22:20
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the Fm11 
book!

I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used Alt+(down 
arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll find a faster 
solution than that...

-Matt
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I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.

I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.

I still end up with a button icon floating too high.

What am I missing?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
www.imgtec.comhttp://www.imgtec.com/

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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

Thanks for your reply, Matt.

When I do the initial paste, FM defaults to placing the button icon below the 
insertion point line. Can I configure it to paste inline?


Thank other people for their responses. Setting up a document and 
pre-configuring the graphics in there is simply not practical. There are 
hundreds of icons in this product and I will only know which ones I need to use 
as I'm writing.

From: Matt Sullivan [mailto:m...@mattrsullivan.com]
Sent: 09 September 2013 22:20
To: Alastair Dent
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Inserting inline graphics

I had to do that approximately eleventh-six hundred times in writing the Fm11 
book!

I set my cursor in the text, between ()'s, and hit paste. Then I used Alt+(down 
arrow) to wrangle it into position. I don't know that you'll find a faster 
solution than that...

-Matt
Matt R. Sullivan
co-author Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured FrameMaker 
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I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.

I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.

I still end up with a button icon floating too high.

What am I missing?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
www.imgtec.com<http://www.imgtec.com/>

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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.

I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.

I still end up with a button icon floating too high.

What am I missing?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
www.imgtec.comhttp://www.imgtec.com/

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Inserting inline graphics

[Alastair Dent]

I need to be able to quickly insert graphics (button icons) into instructions.

I've had a brief go at this and it seems needlessly complex
Paste graphic
Select frame, chance to 'anchor at insertion point'.

I still end up with a button icon floating too high.

What am I missing?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
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RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?

[Alastair Dent]

Blast, you are right. Same problem with Frame 11.



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 04 September 2013 18:50
To: Alastair Dent; Jaime Zuniga; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?

I was going to suggest this same workaround, but I thought I'd better test it 
before I recommended it since I have not used it since FM6 or maybe 7.

I currently use FM9, and with this version (at least) the workaround doesn't 
work quite right. It does successfully leave the condition tag in effect for 
the new paragraph, since the new paragraph is not an empty paragraph due to the 
dummy character. But the new pilcrow at the end of the existing paragraph 
becomes unconditional, which *will* cause problems downstream because you'll 
wind up with vertical whitespace for every not-quite-fully-conditionalized 
paragraph. Bummer.

-Fred Ridder

From: alastair.d...@imgtec.commailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com
To: jzun...@protranslating.commailto:jzun...@protranslating.com; 
framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:23:13 +
Enter a 'dummy' character to the right of your cursor before pressing enter 
(making sure that the condition applies to this).

From: 
framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
 [framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Jaime Zuniga 
[jzun...@protranslating.com]
Sent: 29 August 2013 20:53
To: Frame Users 
(framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com) 
(framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?
Hi Everyone,

How do I maintain conditional formatting on text from one paragraph to the next.

For example, if I am typing text in a certain condition and I need to create a 
new paragraph in that same condition I want to be able to just press Enter and 
keep typing in that same condition. Every time that I press Enter I lose the 
conditional formatting in the new paragraph.

I know that I can just select the new paragraph and assign the condition to it 
manually, but I want to avoid that extra step, if possible.

Any help would be appreciated.

Jaime


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Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?

[Alastair Dent]

Blast, you are right. Same problem with Frame 11.



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: 04 September 2013 18:50
To: Alastair Dent; Jaime Zuniga; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?

I was going to suggest this same workaround, but I thought I'd better test it 
before I recommended it since I have not used it since FM6 or maybe 7.

I currently use FM9, and with this version (at least) the workaround doesn't 
work quite right. It does successfully leave the condition tag in effect for 
the new paragraph, since the new paragraph is not an empty paragraph due to the 
"dummy" character. But the new pilcrow at the end of the existing paragraph 
becomes unconditional, which *will* cause problems downstream because you'll 
wind up with vertical whitespace for every not-quite-fully-conditionalized 
paragraph. Bummer.

-Fred Ridder

From: alastair.dent at imgtec.com<mailto:alastair.d...@imgtec.com>
To: JZuniga at protranslating.com<mailto:JZuniga at protranslating.com>; 
framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2013 14:23:13 +
Enter a 'dummy' character to the right of your cursor before pressing enter 
(making sure that the condition applies to this).

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com> [framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of 
Jaime Zuniga [jzun...@protranslating.com]
Sent: 29 August 2013 20:53
To: Frame Users (framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at 
lists.frameusers.com>) (framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at 
lists.frameusers.com>)
Subject: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?
Hi Everyone,

How do I maintain conditional formatting on text from one paragraph to the next.

For example, if I am typing text in a certain condition and I need to create a 
new paragraph in that same condition I want to be able to just press Enter and 
keep typing in that same condition. Every time that I press Enter I lose the 
conditional formatting in the new paragraph.

I know that I can just select the new paragraph and assign the condition to it 
manually, but I want to avoid that extra step, if possible.

Any help would be appreciated.

Jaime


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RE: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?

[Alastair Dent]

Enter a 'dummy' character to the right of your cursor before pressing enter 
(making sure that the condition applies to this).

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Jaime Zuniga 
[jzun...@protranslating.com]
Sent: 29 August 2013 20:53
To: Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com) (framers@lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?

Hi Everyone,

How do I maintain conditional formatting on text from one paragraph to the next.

For example, if I am typing text in a certain condition and I need to create a 
new paragraph in that same condition I want to be able to just press Enter and 
keep typing in that same condition. Every time that I press Enter I lose the 
conditional formatting in the new paragraph.

I know that I can just select the new paragraph and assign the condition to it 
manually, but I want to avoid that extra step, if possible.

Any help would be appreciated.

Jaime

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[Alastair Dent]

Enter a 'dummy' character to the right of your cursor before pressing enter 
(making sure that the condition applies to this).

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [framers-bounces at 
lists.frameusers.com] on behalf of Jaime Zuniga [jzun...@protranslating.com]
Sent: 29 August 2013 20:53
To: Frame Users (framers at lists.frameusers.com) (framers at 
lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Conditional formatting lost when pressing Enter?

Hi Everyone,

How do I maintain conditional formatting on text from one paragraph to the next.

For example, if I am typing text in a certain condition and I need to create a 
new paragraph in that same condition I want to be able to just press Enter and 
keep typing in that same condition. Every time that I press Enter I lose the 
conditional formatting in the new paragraph.

I know that I can just select the new paragraph and assign the condition to it 
manually, but I want to avoid that extra step, if possible.

Any help would be appreciated.

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'as is' option for conditional text

[Alastair Dent]

What does the 'as is' option do when applying conditional text?

Alastair Dent
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Blocking local formatting when copying

[Alastair Dent]

When I copy text from, say, a heading, and past it into a Body paragraph, the 
font formatting from the heading is copied along with the text.

Is there a hotkey to remove local formatting (overrides) or a way of avoiding 
this?

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What does the 'as is' option do when applying conditional text?

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Blocking local formatting when copying

[Alastair Dent]

When I copy text from, say, a heading, and past it into a Body paragraph, the 
font formatting from the heading is copied along with the text.

Is there a hotkey to remove local formatting (overrides) or a way of avoiding 
this?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
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Chapter numbers

[Alastair Dent]

Ok, I've found out why it was going wrong.

It seems that the first document in the book using chapnum has to have an 
override setting the chapnum to start at 1 (this document being the third in 
the book, after the cover and ToC).

-Original Message-
From: Harro de Jong [mailto:harro.dej...@triviewgroup.com] 
Sent: 13 August 2013 11:05
To: Alastair Dent; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Chapter numbers

Alastair Dent wrote:

> I have documents that start with a tag called 'ChapTitle' and some 
> that start with Heading1.
> 
> The reference pages are set up so that pages with 'ChapTitle' on them 
> will use the 'First' master page. This has a header with the chapter 
> number in it. Pages starting with Heading1 are Right/Left and don't 
> have a chapternumber
> 
> Every file in the book is set to 'Continue Numbering from Previous 
> Chapter in book'.
> 
> The chapter numbers increment correctly.
> 
> The document with a Heading1 tag should show the numbering '3.1'. It 
> doesn't, it shows '4.1'.? The chapter number has incremented.
> 
> Why is this?

It sounds like you've got two numbering systems going on. One uses <$Chapnum>, 
the other uses paragraph numbers instead.
You can influence the <$Chapnum> numbering with the Format-Document-Numbering 
dialog, tab 'Chapter'
You can influence the paragraph numbering with the Format-Document-Numbering 
dialog, tab 'Paragraph'.

Check the Numbering properties of the ChapTitle and the Heading1 paragraph 
tags. You should use the same numbering system in all para tags that have a 
paragraph number. 

Harro de Jong

RE: Chapter numbers

[Alastair Dent]

Ah - solved my own problem with help of 'Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured 
Framemaker'.

Set the numbering to continue from previous page in book. I don't know why this 
wasn't set in my original template.

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Subject: Chapter numbers

I have a template (taken from a book) that has a master page with a chapter 
number style defined - it's used on the header.

This works fine in the original book.

When I create a new book and new fm documents in that book, the chapter numbers 
don't update.

Why could this be?
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RE: Chapter numbers

[Alastair Dent]

Ignore previous email.

I have documents that start with a tag called 'ChapTitle' and some that start 
with Heading1.

The reference pages are set up so that pages with 'ChapTitle' on them will use 
the 'First' master page. This has a header with the chapter number in it. Pages 
starting with Heading1 are Right/Left and don't have a chapternumber

Every file in the book is set to 'Continue Numbering from Previous Chapter in 
book'.

The chapter numbers increment correctly.

The document with a Heading1 tag should show the numbering '3.1'. It doesn't, 
it shows '4.1'.  The chapter number has incremented.

Why is this?

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
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To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Chapter numbers

I have a template (taken from a book) that has a master page with a chapter 
number style defined - it's used on the header.

This works fine in the original book.

When I create a new book and new fm documents in that book, the chapter numbers 
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Chapter numbers

[Alastair Dent]

Ah - solved my own problem with help of 'Publishing Fundamentals: Unstructured 
Framemaker'.

Set the numbering to continue from previous page in book. I don't know why this 
wasn't set in my original template.

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Subject: Chapter numbers

I have a template (taken from a book) that has a master page with a chapter 
number style defined - it's used on the header.

This works fine in the original book.

When I create a new book and new fm documents in that book, the chapter numbers 
don't update.

Why could this be?
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Chapter numbers

[Alastair Dent]

Ignore previous email.

I have documents that start with a tag called 'ChapTitle' and some that start 
with Heading1.

The reference pages are set up so that pages with 'ChapTitle' on them will use 
the 'First' master page. This has a header with the chapter number in it. Pages 
starting with Heading1 are Right/Left and don't have a chapternumber

Every file in the book is set to 'Continue Numbering from Previous Chapter in 
book'.

The chapter numbers increment correctly.

The document with a Heading1 tag should show the numbering '3.1'. It doesn't, 
it shows '4.1'.  The chapter number has incremented.

Why is this?

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alastair Dent
Sent: 08 August 2013 21:16
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Chapter numbers

I have a template (taken from a book) that has a master page with a chapter 
number style defined - it's used on the header.

This works fine in the original book.

When I create a new book and new fm documents in that book, the chapter numbers 
don't update.

Why could this be?
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Chapter numbers

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I have a template (taken from a book) that has a master page with a chapter 
number style defined - it's used on the header.

This works fine in the original book.

When I create a new book and new fm documents in that book, the chapter numbers 
don't update.

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I have a template (taken from a book) that has a master page with a chapter 
number style defined - it's used on the header.

This works fine in the original book.

When I create a new book and new fm documents in that book, the chapter numbers 
don't update.

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Catalog definitions ... fonts not available

[Alastair Dent]

Ok, I've inherited some Frame docs that use Helvetica, Times and Courier. Those 
fonts aren't on my system.

I'm using these docs to create a template.

I've opened the book and all documents, then used the Fonts pod to locate 
missing fonts and replace with an existing font. I've saved the documents, 
closed and re-opened them.

I still get the 'missing fonts' message. The error log says that the catalog 
contains fonts that aren't on my system.

Obviously the styles catalog has styles using the missing fonts (but those 
styles aren't used in my documents).

What is the best way of tackling this?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
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Catalog definitions ... fonts not available

[Alastair Dent]

Ok, I've inherited some Frame docs that use Helvetica, Times and Courier. Those 
fonts aren't on my system.

I'm using these docs to create a template.

I've opened the book and all documents, then used the Fonts pod to locate 
missing fonts and replace with an existing font. I've saved the documents, 
closed and re-opened them.

I still get the 'missing fonts' message. The error log says that the catalog 
contains fonts that aren't on my system.

Obviously the styles catalog has styles using the missing fonts (but those 
styles aren't used in my documents).

What is the best way of tackling this?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
www.imgtec.com<http://www.imgtec.com/>

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Updating user and system variables across a book

[Alastair Dent]

Is there any way of updating the definitions of a system or user variable so 
that the change is reflected across a whole book?

Alastair Dent
Technical Author
Imagination Technologies Limited
t: +44 (0)113 242 9814
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Updating user and system variables across a book

[Alastair Dent]

Is there any way of updating the definitions of a system or user variable so 
that the change is reflected across a whole book?

Alastair Dent
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Eclipse Help from Frame books

[Alastair Dent]

Has anyone tried generating Eclipse help directly from Frame books?

Alastair Dent
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Replacing one paragraph/character format with another

[Alastair Dent]

I need to import Word documents, some of them large, into FM. Is there any way 
of automatically mapping the Word styles to specific FM styles on import? Can 
this be done post-import?

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Eclipse Help from Frame books

[Alastair Dent]

Has anyone tried generating Eclipse help directly from Frame books?

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Replacing one paragraph/character format with another

[Alastair Dent]

I need to import Word documents, some of them large, into FM. Is there any way 
of automatically mapping the Word styles to specific FM styles on import? Can 
this be done post-import?

Alastair Dent
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Imagination Technologies Limited
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Embarrasing simple question - identifying current style

[Alastair Dent]

It is many, many years since I've used Framemaker.

We are now moving our documentation to Frame 11.

One very basic task eludes me; how do I tell what style has been assigned to 
the selected text (or the paragraph where I've placed the insertion cursor)?

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RE: Embarrasing simple question - identifying current style

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Thanks all.

I found the Paragraph designer - but didn't notice the name in the bottom left! 
Non so blind as those who will not see.

-Original Message-
From: rebecca officer [mailto:rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz] 
Sent: 28 June 2013 12:55
To: Alastair Dent
Subject: Re: Embarrasing simple question - identifying current style

Hi Alastair

Assuming Frame 10 and 11 are the same, I know of two ways.

The quick way: look at the bottom left corner of the screen. That includes the 
paragraph style name. There's a small gotcha: if you select multiple 
paragraphs, it only gives you info for the first one. If it's got an * next to 
the name, it means there's some override on the style.

The more reliable way: open up the paragraph designer and look there. I haven't 
got FM on this PC, but I think you get the paragraph designer via the View 
menu. (I've got the pod permanently open, so can't remember how to open it!)

Cheers
Rebecca

 Alastair Dent alastair.d...@imgtec.com 06/28/13 10:59 PM 
It is many, many years since I've used Framemaker.

We are now moving our documentation to Frame 11.

One very basic task eludes me; how do I tell what style has been assigned to 
the selected text (or the paragraph where I've placed the insertion cursor)?


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RE: Translating FM files into Japonese

[Alastair Dent]

It is very strange indeed and I doubt that your translator is experienced.

Trados is a translation tool. It is normal for the translators to import files 
into Trados and export as appropriate.

Send them the files in rtf format and save yourselves a bundle. Or find a 
translator who knows what they are doing.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: 28 June 2013 15:16
To: Frame Users (framers@lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
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Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer
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RE: Basic (Silly) Questions ?

[Alastair Dent]

You can convert most ebook formats directly to PDF via 3rd party software

Ebookconverter is one such piece of software.

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Sent: 28 June 2013 16:20
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Basic (Silly) Questions ?

Someone asked me to review a transcript,
except it is in an E Book file .

- Can one print (on paper) an Ebook via Framemaker or Windoze Word
(on Win XP) ?
- Can the file be saved in a typical PDF Reader ?

Thanks in Advance

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Embarrasing simple question - identifying current style

[Alastair Dent]

Thanks all.

I found the Paragraph designer - but didn't notice the name in the bottom left! 
Non so blind as those who will not see.

-Original Message-
From: rebecca officer [mailto:rebecca.offi...@alliedtelesis.co.nz] 
Sent: 28 June 2013 12:55
To: Alastair Dent
Subject: Re: Embarrasing simple question - identifying current style

Hi Alastair

Assuming Frame 10 and 11 are the same, I know of two ways.

The quick way: look at the bottom left corner of the screen. That includes the 
paragraph style name. There's a small gotcha: if you select multiple 
paragraphs, it only gives you info for the first one. If it's got an * next to 
the name, it means there's some override on the style.

The more reliable way: open up the paragraph designer and look there. I haven't 
got FM on this PC, but I think you get the paragraph designer via the View 
menu. (I've got the pod permanently open, so can't remember how to open it!)

Cheers
Rebecca

>>> Alastair Dent  06/28/13 10:59 PM >>>
It is many, many years since I've used Framemaker.

We are now moving our documentation to Frame 11.

One very basic task eludes me; how do I tell what style has been assigned to 
the selected text (or the paragraph where I've placed the insertion cursor)?


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Translating FM files into Japonese

[Alastair Dent]

It is very strange indeed and I doubt that your translator is experienced.

Trados is a translation tool. It is normal for the translators to import files 
into Trados and export as appropriate.

Send them the files in rtf format and save yourselves a bundle. Or find a 
translator who knows what they are doing.

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: 28 June 2013 15:16
To: Frame Users (framers at lists.frameusers.com)
Subject: Translating FM files into Japonese

Hi,

We have located a translator in Japan to translate a 300-page training booklet 
written in English. The document is very largely table based with typically an 
image in row 1 and the caption underneath in row 2 with straddled narrow 
columns containing arrows to show a sequence of actions.

The translator is charging reasonable translation costs and then there is an 
additional 12$/page cost because the files are from FrameMaker. When we 
questioned that cost, he asked if we could provide files in Trados format. 
Maybe he is not familiar with FrameMaker files.

Anyway, I find this strange as in the past I have always provided FM files and 
the company doing the translation took care of everything else on their side. I 
received my Fm files translated into the target language from which I made PDFs.

Can anyone familiar with translating FM files explain why the individual is 
requesting files in Trados format? Can that be done - just pay a company to 
generate Trados files from FM files?

Many thanks (cold and wet here in Quebec City at 10 Celcius),

Stephen O'BRIEN
Coordonnateur ? la documentation et r?dacteur technique senior | Documentation 
Coordinator and Senior Technical Writer
InnovMetric Logiciels | Software
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Basic (Silly) Questions ?

[Alastair Dent]

You can convert most ebook formats directly to PDF via 3rd party software

Ebookconverter is one such piece of software.

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Peter Courlis
Sent: 28 June 2013 16:20
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Basic (Silly) Questions ?

Someone asked me to review a transcript,
except it is in an E Book file .

- Can one print (on paper) an Ebook via Framemaker or Windoze Word
(on Win XP) ?
- Can the file be saved in a typical PDF Reader ?

Thanks in Advance

peter
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Embarrasing simple question - identifying current style

[Alastair Dent]

It is many, many years since I've used Framemaker.

We are now moving our documentation to Frame 11.

One very basic task eludes me; how do I tell what style has been assigned to 
the selected text (or the paragraph where I've placed the insertion cursor)?

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RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

[Alastair Dent]

I believe this is the same in the UK.



-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Shaked
Sent: 21 May 2013 20:55
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

An aspect I haven't seen mentioned in this thread: taxes

According to Israeli tax law, if I purchase a perpetual license for a software 
application, it's a capital expense. I have to depreciate the purchase over 
several years. I cannot deduct the full expense from this year's tax return.

If I pay a smaller fee for an annual subscription license, I not only smooth 
out the cost, but I can deduct the full amount in the current year.

Is the tax treatment the same in the US and other countries?

Truth in Advertising Disclosure: I am biased. I am a reseller for a software 
application that is sold mainly by subscription (WebWorks ePublisher). But I 
purchase other software by subscription, and I prefer it.

David Shaked (Wernick)

AlmondWeb Ltd.
http://www.almondweb.com
Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants

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OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

[Alastair Dent]

I believe this is the same in the UK.



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of David Shaked
Sent: 21 May 2013 20:55
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: OT: Corporate madness - Adobe software to be subscription

An aspect I haven't seen mentioned in this thread: taxes

According to Israeli tax law, if I purchase a perpetual license for a software 
application, it's a capital expense. I have to depreciate the purchase over 
several years. I cannot deduct the full expense from this year's tax return.

If I pay a smaller fee for an annual subscription license, I not only smooth 
out the cost, but I can deduct the full amount in the current year.

Is the tax treatment the same in the US and other countries?

Truth in Advertising Disclosure: I am biased. I am a reseller for a software 
application that is sold mainly by subscription (WebWorks ePublisher). But I 
purchase other software by subscription, and I prefer it.

David Shaked (Wernick)

AlmondWeb Ltd.
http://www.almondweb.com
Technical Documentation * Web Development * Word and WebWorks Consultants

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