Re: [Framers] Extraneous appended text Re: link for Feature Request

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At 10:17 AM 2/25/2021, Craig Ede wrote:

What's going was going on with all the appended text to this message?


Hi Craig,

I'm not sure whether the problem started with the listserv software 
or if it was caused by the post including too much text from the 
previous message. It may also have been caused by how the recipient's 
email client styled the original text.


I will keep an eye on it and hope that it is a brief burp. In the 
meantime, the list rules are here and I'd encourage subscribers to 
review them. This is a great group with very few problems but it 
never hurts to remind folks that this is a listserv and not regular email.


https://www.frameusers.com/community/

Carol Elkins
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[Framers] ALERT: MESSAGES FROM poshe...@bellsouth.net ARE HACKED

[FrameUsers Admin]

Framers, it looks like one of our member's email account has been 
hacked. You may receive messages from poshe...@bellsouth.net directly 
to your inbox rather than via this Framers listserv. Please do not 
click the link in the message (it purportedly goes to a Dropbox 
document). I will contact Ken to see what is going on, but in the 
meantime I wanted to get out this alert as quickly as possible.


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Re: [Framers] FM on Next - question from a nostalgic person Was: Framers Digest, Vol 171, Issue 8

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Before continuing this thread, please make sure to replace the 
Subject "[Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 171, Issue 8" with Subject "FM 
on Next - question from a nostalgic person" so that the thread 
archives correctly and responses can be searched for.


When replying to messages, digest users should be careful to trim the 
digest to just a sentence or two and to change the subject.


Thanks.

Carol Elkins
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At 02:26 PM 6/18/2020, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote:
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 20:26:24 +
Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 171, Issue 8

Phillip Norman wrote:

> I address this conversation with wish the simple nearly-free 
tools I use, should be packaged for a large new set of users, for 
purchase at very small cost. If Adobe isn't interested, look for 
other possibilities.


Indeed!

I still receive this list because I am (a) a relatively early 
FrameMaker user - started in 1988 on a Sun 3/50, so nostalgia 
applies to me, and (b) still occasionally fire up version FM 12 to 
make *small* changes to existing older FM documents.


Otherwise, due to the high cost of "upgrading" FM decision by Adobe 
form FM 15 onwards, I moved away from their tools some time back.


Now, the last one is Acrobat Pro and I am trying other PDF tools to 
evaluate them as functional replacements - so far, the SoftMaker PDF 
tool appears to be working pretty well for my needs.


My choices - and this will NOT necessarily be applicable to others 
for their documents, of course! - was to switch to LaTeX markup for 
all *my* specification documents (using a very nice editor for 
relatively instant and easy check of the PDF output), and various 
Magix/Xara tools for image editing, video editing, and brochures. 
The Magix/Xara tools are not free, but very low-cost, and much less 
expensive than Adobe ... including upgrades.


I am happy with those decisions ... indeed, the experience has made 
me look for other lower-cost products too. So, I am also evaluating 
SoftMaker Office as an alternative to Microsoft tools that I still 
use (for presentation and spreadsheets for example).


Z
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Re: [Framers] FW: Book and Doc Templates.

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Hi Rick,

No, you did absolutely nothing wrong. Remember that many, many of 
this list's subscribers have been affected by coronavirus-related 
work disruptions. They may not be reading list messages as regularly 
as they had been. Of the ones that are, they perhaps have no solution to offer.


One of the things you can do is search this group's archives at
https://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/maillist.html 



You might be able to unearth some helpful information in previous posts.

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At 10:13 AM 4/15/2020, Richard Melanson wrote:
I didn't get any responses to my email. If I have done something 
wrong or offended anyone, I humbly apologize.


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[Framers] Replying to digest messages

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Framers,

For those who subscribe to the listserv via digest mode, it is so 
easy to forget to change the digest's default Subject line when 
replying to a message. For instance, yesterday, a digest subscriber 
replied to a message in the thread "Mystery Tags in HTML Mapping 
Table" but forgot to change the default Subject line "Framers Digest, 
Vol 159, Issue 11." And a response to her message today perpetuated 
the oversight. These two messages are now unfortunately totally 
detached from the thread in the archived messages 
(https://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/index.html), 
making it really difficult for anyone who wants to search for all 
replies to the original message.


I urge everyone to check the subject line of the message they are 
sending to ensure that it contains the appropriate subject and not 
the default digest subject line.


Carol Elkins (who has forgotten to do this on occasion herself)
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Re: [Framers] FrameScript 7

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Framers,

I wanted to apologize to the members of this Listserv for yesterday's 
email containing profanity. The listserv member who wrote the email 
has been censured and put on moderated status with the promise that 
if it happens again, he will be unsubscribed. Our Framers Listserv 
has, for years, maintained a tone of civility, even when members 
disagree with each other. His language was offensive and in violation 
of the List Rules (http://www.frameusers.com/community/).


I appreciate everyone's help to prevent this thread from going any 
further. It is certainly permissible to discuss pros and cons of 
products that we use as adjuncts to Framemaker. It is not acceptable 
to flame, profane, or attack any list member. If you have any 
questions or further comments, please email me or Rick Quatro off-list.


Now, back to our regularly scheduled, civil, and helpful Framers Listserv.

Carol Elkins
Listserv Moderator

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Re: [Framers] Adobe - WTF

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This group's Web site is a good resource, and it includes a link to 
where Adobe stashes its most current version info. See


http://www.frameusers.com/adobe-resources/

Carol Elkins
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At 02:08 PM 3/29/2018, Fred Wersan wrote:
I went to the adobe site to see what the latest options are for 
FrameMaker. Can't even find it. It isn't listed for downloads and 
isn't there for other downloads. Is there a search field on the web 
page? Can't find that either.


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[Framers] Please trim your posts

[FrameUsers Admin]

Folks, we are getting a lot of posts that contain the entire content 
of a previous digest or the total content of the message being 
responded to. That is poor list etiquette.


When you reply to a message, trim out everything that isn't necessary 
to give readers enough context to understand what you're talking 
about. Headers, footers, and the bulk of the message should go away.


If you are on digest, in addition to trimming, you absolutely MUST 
change the Subject line from "Framers Digest, Vol 583, Issue 8" to a 
relevant subject. This ensures correct message threading in the 
archives. And it keeps me from getting cranky.


We have 945 subscribers that depend on this list for expert help with 
Framemaker. Help us all save time reading messages by thoughtfully 
trimming your replies.


Carol Elkins
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Re: [Framers] Spoofed Framers emails

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Alan, unfortunately, there is no way to detect if emails have been 
harvested from the list or from frameusers.com. You can see every 
legitimate message posted to the list via the archives at 
http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/


I personally have not received any spoofed Framers messages recently.

Carol Elkins
List Mom

At 01:26 PM 8/15/2017, you wrote:
I am getting an increasing number of spoofed Framers emails as spam, 
from the Framers list and now from individuals on it (Robert Naghi, 
I just got one with your name on it).


I realise these are probably farmed but can the admins possibly 
check to make sure there is nothing amiss on the server?


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Re: [Framers] Anyone have any spiffy FM resume templates?

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Frameusers, I've added Lin SIms' resume template to the 
FrameUsers.com site. You can find it here:

http://www.frameusers.com/tasks/

While you are there, look around the site. I believe you can find 
just about everything you'll need for Frame-related work. If you 
can't, please let me know off-list and we'll figure out how to add it 
to the site.


Carol Elkins
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At 11:52 AM 3/15/2017, you wrote:
I've put in a request to Carol to see if she'd be willing to host it 
on the Framers site. In all honesty, all I really did was take the 
two formats that Adobe created and melded them together to suit my tastes.


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[Framers] Reminder re default reply-to for list

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This is just a reminder that the default reply-to behavior of this 
list will be changed from reply-to-sender to reply-to-list this 
coming Sunday, Feb 12.


Carol Elkins
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[Framers] RESULTS: Up for discussion: changing Framers' default Reply-To behavior

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During the last week, I've gotten good responses, both on-list and 
off-list, to my request for comments about changing Framers' default 
Reply-To behavior from Reply to Poster to Reply to List. Thank you 
all so much for being involved in this decision.


By a majority of two to one, respondents would rather have messages 
automatically reply to list.


Therefore, I plan to change the default reply-to setting for this 
group to Reply to List. I will initiate this change on FEBRUARY 12 
and we'll see how it goes. Hopefully no one is emailing content that 
they'd be embarrassed by, regardless of who receives it. Slow down 
and don't be so quick to hit Send. Anytime you're sending an email of 
substance, take a minute to make sure that it says what you want it 
to and that it's addressed to the person or group you want to read 
it. In a world of instant communication, old-fashioned proofreading 
is the most powerful weapon you have against embarrassing emails.


And please don't be put off by the idea of sharing your email with 
the entire group. This is an extremely friendly bunch of people who 
do not bash posters they disagree with. We have very informative 
discussions on the pros and cons of a lot of ideas and solutions.


I'm excited at the idea of having more posts shared with the group 
that were previously, either intentionally or accidentally, sent only 
to the original poster. After all, the purpose of this group is to 
share information.


Carol Elkins
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Re: [Framers] Whenever I post to this list, I get an interesting fraud detection message.

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Syed, the message you are seeing does not originate from the Framers 
list or the software that runs it (Mailman). Bbased on the link 
provided, it looks as if this is a Microsoft thing. Big brother is watching!


Carol

At 07:33 PM 1/26/2017, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote:
Below, you can see the one line of text message (and a link) that I 
see whenever I post to this list ... not sure why(?)


Are others seeing this too?

Z

This is the line below:

[This sender failed our fraud detection checks and may not be who 
they appear to be. Learn about spoofing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutSpoofing]


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[Framers] Up for discussion: changing Framers' default Reply-To behavior

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In the "old days" of this list, it was expected that a poster would 
summarize the comments received, especially any that were sent 
off-list. These days, most of us don't have time for that and we miss 
so much good information that could help us all. I know that often 
someone posts something that I want to watch for replies, only to 
never read another word on the subject except a mention of all the 
great off-list replies.


Related to this is what I find to be a major pain in the a**-- 
pressing Ctrl-R and forgetting that my reply will go only to the 
original poster. I have to then find the Framers email address, 
copy/paste it into the header or a new email, and resend the message. 
I think this may be contributing to the propensity of off-list replies.


When I originally set up this new Framers list, I opted to set the 
default Reply-To behavior to send only to the poster and not the list 
because it was the recommended action for new lists. I'm beginning to 
really regret that decision. So as List Mom, I'd like to change the 
default reply behavior to go to the list and not to the sender. I 
realize that this might create situations that could prove 
embarrassing if one accidentally sends a private reply to the entire 
list. I'm willing to entertain valid arguments both pro and con to 
this change in list behavior. I'd prefer receiving them off-list 
(ca...@frameusers.com) unless you feel that your argument merits all 
1089 of us taking the time to read it. I won't make this decision 
unilaterally -- this list belongs to all of us and relies on all of 
us to provide good content and helpful advice.


Bear in mind that if I DO make this change, I will give plenty of 
advance warning and repeat it a few times before making the change so 
that we all have time to retrain our brains.


Carol Elkins
List Mom
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[Framers] ADMIN: clicking links and sending attachments

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The originator of this post was notified last week and his emails 
have been put on moderated status.


I want to strongly discourage people from clicking links in ANY email 
they receive. If they really want to visit the site, manually type it 
in the address bar of their browser.


Also, while I'm thinking of it, I have not set this list to prevent 
attachments, but I also discourage them. Not only can they be risky, 
attachments to emails on this list download to EVERYONE's computer. 
Most people object to uninvited attachments. It is far better to 
upload whatever it is you want to share to a place on your own server 
or on Dropbox and then provide a link. People can then decide for 
themselves if they want to look at what you want to share. If they 
do, then the aforementioned cautions about clicking links apply.


Carol Elkins
List Mom

At 08:05 AM 4/18/2016, you wrote:

I think Carol may have had her (his?) account compromised. I would advise
not clicking that link. If you have, I suggest running every antivirus and
anti-malware tool you've got.

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 9:18 AM, Abungu, Salome  wrote:

> When I click on the link you sent, I'm directed to TMZ.


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[Framers] Check out FrameUsers.com for everything FrameMaker!

[FrameUsers Admin]

Framers,

Please pay a visit to the newly remodeled FrameUsers.com Web site 
(http://www.frameusers.com/). It is a simple site that provides 
access to everything you may need to help you work with FrameMaker.


~Find user forums and helpful support sites for FrameMaker and related products
~Download all of the FrameMaker template packs
~Find vendors of Framemaker plug-ins and add-ons
~Access a library of FrameMaker documentation and Help files dating 
back to FM4.0 (we'd love it if someone could provide docs for v3.0 and earlier)
~Quickly find links to what you need from Adobe.com, including 
webinars, training videos, bug reporter, and previous FrameMaker releases


I've designed this site to be a GO-TO PORTAL that hopefully will save 
you a lot of time searching elsewhere. Please bookmark it and check 
it first when you need anything relating to FrameMaker. If you have 
links or documents that you think would be helpful to other Frame 
users, please email me off-list at ca...@frameusers.com.


Many thanks to domain owner Brad Anderson for allowing me to get this 
site back up and running as a resource for the FrameMaker community.


Carol Elkins
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