Framemaker Uses

[Gordon McLean]

Once upon a time I used to create the company newsletter (A5 booklet) in
FrameMaker.

If ever there was a way to find the limitations of the mighty FM... It was a
painful experience (that was for version 4 mind you).

Gordon 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Deirdre Reagan
Sent: 07 May 2008 17:05
To: Frame Users
Subject: Framemaker Uses

Just out of curiosity, what kinds of documents are people producing in
Framemaker?

Our department produces aeronautial documents, such as Component Maintenance
Manuals, Aircraft Maintenance Manuals, Wiring Diagram Manuals, and
Illustrated Parts Catalogs.

Do people produce books and magazines with Framemaker?  Is Stephen King
writing his next masterpiece on Framemaker?  Does Anna Wintour use
Framemaker to kick the next issue of Vogue to the curb? Are there websites
that have been created in a Framemaker environment?

I'm curious to know how widely used this product is and for what
applications.

Thanks!

Deirdre
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RE: Framemaker Uses

[Gordon McLean]

Once upon a time I used to create the company newsletter (A5 booklet) in
FrameMaker.

If ever there was a way to find the limitations of the mighty FM... It was a
painful experience (that was for version 4 mind you).

Gordon 

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Sent: 07 May 2008 17:05
To: Frame Users
Subject: Framemaker Uses

Just out of curiosity, what kinds of documents are people producing in
Framemaker?

Our department produces aeronautial documents, such as Component Maintenance
Manuals, Aircraft Maintenance Manuals, Wiring Diagram Manuals, and
Illustrated Parts Catalogs.

Do people produce books and magazines with Framemaker?  Is Stephen King
writing his next masterpiece on Framemaker?  Does Anna Wintour use
Framemaker to kick the next issue of Vogue to the curb? Are there websites
that have been created in a Framemaker environment?

I'm curious to know how widely used this product is and for what
applications.

Thanks!

Deirdre
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delivering XML on the web

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https://info2.lotus.com/bluegrass/

This flipped across my path recently and sounds similar to what you are
doing, might be worth a look??

Gordon 

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Subject: delivering XML on the web

Dear Framers,

I'm working on a fun project (for an equipment manufacturer) using Frame to
author structured files that may (for a time) be published to PDF as well as
to XML. The XML files will be checked into a CMS and delivered to the web
for dynamic publication based on metadata and/or search.

Is anyone doing the same or something similar? I'm interested your
production path details, information model, lessons learned and, very soon,
navigation in the delivery environment.

I look forward to and appreciate any replies.

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ClearPath, LLC
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RE: delivering XML on the web

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https://info2.lotus.com/bluegrass/

This flipped across my path recently and sounds similar to what you are
doing, might be worth a look??

Gordon 

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Dear Framers,

I'm working on a fun project (for an equipment manufacturer) using Frame to
author structured files that may (for a time) be published to PDF as well as
to XML. The XML files will be checked into a CMS and delivered to the web
for dynamic publication based on metadata and/or search.

Is anyone doing the same or something similar? I'm interested your
production path details, information model, lessons learned and, very soon,
navigation in the delivery environment.

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MadCap Blaze

[Gordon McLean]

The other products in the MadCap lineup hint more at the CMS route (check
their press release pages).

Once they get those items in play it could be an interesting product set,
and personally I think they are right to take on Adobe, even if they are
falling short at the moment. Should keep Adobe on their toes (as well as the
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Gordon 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Flato, Gillian
Sent: 19 March 2008 16:33
To: Frame Users
Subject: RE: MadCap Blaze

Sharon Burton, from MadCap, did a presentation at our last STC meeting. She
said that Blaze was for people who only did print publishing and Flare was
for print and help files etc. 

Both Blaze and Flare make you write in a topic-oriented way, yet it doesn't
do DITA. Sharon talked about all of the advantages of doing topic-oriented
writing. 

I asked her why MadCap would make a product that doesn't do DITA when they
are trying to compete with Frame. I said that right now, with Frame 8, all I
had to do was flip it to structured and I had DITA, so moving to Blaze or
Flare was a step backward. She didn't really have an answer for me on that.

She said that Madcap was creating a CMS first, and then it was going to make
Blaze and Flare DITA compatible. I told her that in my opinion, that was a
bad plan. They will never be competitive with Frame until they do DITA, and
no one is going to buy a CMS when they can get Subversion and CVS for free
so they would be better off doing DITA now and the CMS later.

I don't know if she passed on what I said to the MadCap people but we'll
see. 


Thank you,



Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
1550 Buckeye Dr. 
Milpitas, CA. 95035
408.545.6316
408.232.5911
gflato at nanometrics.com


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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael
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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:17 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: MadCap Blaze

Am 19.03.2008 um 17:05 schrieb Rick Henkel:

> Flare has more than Blaze. Kind of like   Flare : Blaze ::  
> Acrobat : Reader

They must have something up their sleeve... or why did they once position
Blaze as FrameMaker killer? You wouldn't expect a serious company to
exaggerate things like that, would you? Maybe I forgot, that in marketing
everything is allowed...

Well, FrameMaker is still listed two times on the Blaze website: As possible
import format and as output format (which would only be necessary if the
products own print layout capabilities are somewhat limited).

BTW, I am hesitant to install .NET 3.0 and enjoy your reports!

- Michael

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RE: MadCap Blaze

[Gordon McLean]

The other products in the MadCap lineup hint more at the CMS route (check
their press release pages).

Once they get those items in play it could be an interesting product set,
and personally I think they are right to take on Adobe, even if they are
falling short at the moment. Should keep Adobe on their toes (as well as the
other vendors). Personally I think the MadCap product suite will more
closely compete with AuthorIT but... hey, only time will tell.

Gordon 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Flato, Gillian
Sent: 19 March 2008 16:33
To: Frame Users
Subject: RE: MadCap Blaze

Sharon Burton, from MadCap, did a presentation at our last STC meeting. She
said that Blaze was for people who only did print publishing and Flare was
for print and help files etc. 

Both Blaze and Flare make you write in a topic-oriented way, yet it doesn't
do DITA. Sharon talked about all of the advantages of doing topic-oriented
writing. 

I asked her why MadCap would make a product that doesn't do DITA when they
are trying to compete with Frame. I said that right now, with Frame 8, all I
had to do was flip it to structured and I had DITA, so moving to Blaze or
Flare was a step backward. She didn't really have an answer for me on that.

She said that Madcap was creating a CMS first, and then it was going to make
Blaze and Flare DITA compatible. I told her that in my opinion, that was a
bad plan. They will never be competitive with Frame until they do DITA, and
no one is going to buy a CMS when they can get Subversion and CVS for free
so they would be better off doing DITA now and the CMS later.

I don't know if she passed on what I said to the MadCap people but we'll
see. 


Thank you,

 

Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
1550 Buckeye Dr. 
Milpitas, CA. 95035
408.545.6316
408.232.5911
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 9:17 AM
To: Frame Users
Subject: Re: MadCap Blaze

Am 19.03.2008 um 17:05 schrieb Rick Henkel:

> Flare has more than Blaze. Kind of like   Flare : Blaze ::  
> Acrobat : Reader

They must have something up their sleeve... or why did they once position
Blaze as FrameMaker killer? You wouldn't expect a serious company to
exaggerate things like that, would you? Maybe I forgot, that in marketing
everything is allowed...

Well, FrameMaker is still listed two times on the Blaze website: As possible
import format and as output format (which would only be necessary if the
products own print layout capabilities are somewhat limited).

BTW, I am hesitant to install .NET 3.0 and enjoy your reports!

- Michael

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FrameMaker DITA and CMS

[Gordon McLean]

Thanks Russ, and everyone else who has responded.

It's good to get confirmation that we'll need to head down the bespoke
custom path for now. Although I'd challenge the vendors to come up with the
goods ASAP. There is obviously a need for SOMETHING in the market..

Gordon 

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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
russ at weststreetconsulting.com
Sent: 13 March 2008 12:02
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker DITA and CMS

Hi Gordon,

If you want to publish instantly, you'll probably have to build something or
pay somebody lots of $$$ to customize something else. There is a conspicuous
absence of off-the-shelf, dynamic publishing systems that also support
multichannel publishing. There are things like Wiki pages which are good for
quick publishing and revision management, but they certainly lack the
information management and layout features that a professional techcommer
would demand.

I've done something similar to what you suggest, albiet with a fair amount
of effort. We had a need to publish PDF manuals at normal release intervals
as always, but there was also a need to view the current information in real
time, as products were being developed. The ultimate solution uses
FrameMaker to author the content in XML and produce the PDFs from it. On the
web side, we built a Java-based publishing system that takes the same XML
and delivers it over a website, making heavy use of XSLT. This is an example
of an end-to-end system that works very well and was worth every second we
put into it, but it certainly isn't something you can just go out and buy.
We don't use DITA or a CMS.

There is unlimited potential to do cool things if you have the will. And,
you don't necessarily need DITA or a CMS to make amazing things happen, but
you may find that one and/or the other turns out to be the best solution.

Russ 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:52:55 -
From: "Gordon McLean" 
Subject: RE: FrameMaker DITA and CMS
To: 
Message-ID:
<000301c88426$d87885a0$61284d0a at devtestpub.inchinnan.grahamtech.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

DITA isn't a publishing standard, it's a content structure standard I
thought.

Perhaps I need to state my question more clearly.

Does anyone have an example of all the applications (names!) used in an end
to end publishing system that is based on XML single source (DITA is a bit
of a red herring I guess, it's a standard, not an application).

I know FrameMaker 8 supports DITA, and I'll be evaluating that soon (I
presume it handles the transformation from XML to 'FM editable' and back?).
But what CMS are people using? And what publishing engines? Webworks? Or
something from the DITA Open Toolkit?

I'm wary of getting sucked into a proprietary path, and also of having an
overly complex build system (ultimately we want to publish on a schedule as
well as instantly to a website). I've visited and read up on a lot of vendor
propositions, and I'm aware that consultancies will have favoured solutions,
so I'm asking the Framers for THEIR recommendations if they have such a
system in place.

Gordon 

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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RE: FrameMaker DITA and CMS

[Gordon McLean]

Thanks Russ, and everyone else who has responded.

It's good to get confirmation that we'll need to head down the bespoke
custom path for now. Although I'd challenge the vendors to come up with the
goods ASAP. There is obviously a need for SOMETHING in the market..

Gordon 

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Sent: 13 March 2008 12:02
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FrameMaker DITA and CMS

Hi Gordon,

If you want to publish instantly, you'll probably have to build something or
pay somebody lots of $$$ to customize something else. There is a conspicuous
absence of off-the-shelf, dynamic publishing systems that also support
multichannel publishing. There are things like Wiki pages which are good for
quick publishing and revision management, but they certainly lack the
information management and layout features that a professional techcommer
would demand.

I've done something similar to what you suggest, albiet with a fair amount
of effort. We had a need to publish PDF manuals at normal release intervals
as always, but there was also a need to view the current information in real
time, as products were being developed. The ultimate solution uses
FrameMaker to author the content in XML and produce the PDFs from it. On the
web side, we built a Java-based publishing system that takes the same XML
and delivers it over a website, making heavy use of XSLT. This is an example
of an end-to-end system that works very well and was worth every second we
put into it, but it certainly isn't something you can just go out and buy.
We don't use DITA or a CMS.

There is unlimited potential to do cool things if you have the will. And,
you don't necessarily need DITA or a CMS to make amazing things happen, but
you may find that one and/or the other turns out to be the best solution.

Russ 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Message: 3
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 09:52:55 -
From: "Gordon McLean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: FrameMaker DITA and CMS
To: 
Message-ID:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

DITA isn't a publishing standard, it's a content structure standard I
thought.

Perhaps I need to state my question more clearly.

Does anyone have an example of all the applications (names!) used in an end
to end publishing system that is based on XML single source (DITA is a bit
of a red herring I guess, it's a standard, not an application).

I know FrameMaker 8 supports DITA, and I'll be evaluating that soon (I
presume it handles the transformation from XML to 'FM editable' and back?).
But what CMS are people using? And what publishing engines? Webworks? Or
something from the DITA Open Toolkit?

I'm wary of getting sucked into a proprietary path, and also of having an
overly complex build system (ultimately we want to publish on a schedule as
well as instantly to a website). I've visited and read up on a lot of vendor
propositions, and I'm aware that consultancies will have favoured solutions,
so I'm asking the Framers for THEIR recommendations if they have such a
system in place.

Gordon 

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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FrameMaker DITA and CMS

[Gordon McLean]

DITA isn't a publishing standard, it's a content structure standard I
thought.

Perhaps I need to state my question more clearly.

Does anyone have an example of all the applications (names!) used in an end
to end publishing system that is based on XML single source (DITA is a bit
of a red herring I guess, it's a standard, not an application).

I know FrameMaker 8 supports DITA, and I'll be evaluating that soon (I
presume it handles the transformation from XML to 'FM editable' and back?).
But what CMS are people using? And what publishing engines? Webworks? Or
something from the DITA Open Toolkit?

I'm wary of getting sucked into a proprietary path, and also of having an
overly complex build system (ultimately we want to publish on a schedule as
well as instantly to a website). I've visited and read up on a lot of vendor
propositions, and I'm aware that consultancies will have favoured solutions,
so I'm asking the Framers for THEIR recommendations if they have such a
system in place.

Gordon 

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Sent: 12 March 2008 09:08
To: Gordon McLean
Subject: Re: FrameMaker DITA and CMS

You need an XML editor such as Xmetal or Structured Frame. The CMS helps for
version control and knowing which chinks are used in which books. 
This is useful information when considering editing a chunk. DITA is a
popular XML publishing standard, although there are others. There is a
plug-in for structured Frame to have DITA support in Frame, and in Frame
8 it is built in.

HTH

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Gordon McLean wrote:
> I'm currently evaluating a variety of tools and solutions with an aim to
> moving the team to some form of single source process.
>  
> We have looked at, and like, DITA, and will be using that as the basis for
> our content.
>  
> However trying to find an end-to-end solution is proving hard, or perhaps
> I'm looking in the wrong places?
>  
> My belief is we need a database (CMS) to hold the content (as XML chunks),
> an editing application (FrameMaker?) as well as a set of rules to
transform
> the XML into something editable (or we get an XML editor like... XMetal?).
> We then need publishing engines to convert the XML to PDF, JavaHelp, HTML
> etc.
>  
> Ohh and we need to maintain three different versions (releases) of the
> documentation set.
>  
> The DITA side I've done a lot of research on, we have the beginnings of an
> Information Model and have planned out how we will specialise the schema
for
> our own use.
>  
> It's the tooling side that seems wide open. I've looked at the Open
Toolkit
> but (and this may be a strange admission for a TECHNICAL writer) it's a
> little heavy on the tech side. 
>  
> So, in short, I'm looking for any/all recommendations in this area. If you
> have a DITA based publishing system in place, with version control, I'd
love
> to hear about it!
>  
> Gordon
>  
> P.S. This is not an excuse for vendors to cold call me!
>
>


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FrameMaker DITA and CMS

[Gordon McLean]

I'm currently evaluating a variety of tools and solutions with an aim to
moving the team to some form of single source process.

We have looked at, and like, DITA, and will be using that as the basis for
our content.

However trying to find an end-to-end solution is proving hard, or perhaps
I'm looking in the wrong places?

My belief is we need a database (CMS) to hold the content (as XML chunks),
an editing application (FrameMaker?) as well as a set of rules to transform
the XML into something editable (or we get an XML editor like... XMetal?).
We then need publishing engines to convert the XML to PDF, JavaHelp, HTML
etc.

Ohh and we need to maintain three different versions (releases) of the
documentation set.

The DITA side I've done a lot of research on, we have the beginnings of an
Information Model and have planned out how we will specialise the schema for
our own use.

It's the tooling side that seems wide open. I've looked at the Open Toolkit
but (and this may be a strange admission for a TECHNICAL writer) it's a
little heavy on the tech side. 

So, in short, I'm looking for any/all recommendations in this area. If you
have a DITA based publishing system in place, with version control, I'd love
to hear about it!

Gordon

P.S. This is not an excuse for vendors to cold call me!


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RE: FrameMaker DITA and CMS

[Gordon McLean]

DITA isn't a publishing standard, it's a content structure standard I
thought.

Perhaps I need to state my question more clearly.

Does anyone have an example of all the applications (names!) used in an end
to end publishing system that is based on XML single source (DITA is a bit
of a red herring I guess, it's a standard, not an application).

I know FrameMaker 8 supports DITA, and I'll be evaluating that soon (I
presume it handles the transformation from XML to 'FM editable' and back?).
But what CMS are people using? And what publishing engines? Webworks? Or
something from the DITA Open Toolkit?

I'm wary of getting sucked into a proprietary path, and also of having an
overly complex build system (ultimately we want to publish on a schedule as
well as instantly to a website). I've visited and read up on a lot of vendor
propositions, and I'm aware that consultancies will have favoured solutions,
so I'm asking the Framers for THEIR recommendations if they have such a
system in place.

Gordon 

-Original Message-
From: Shmuel Wolfson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 12 March 2008 09:08
To: Gordon McLean
Subject: Re: FrameMaker DITA and CMS

You need an XML editor such as Xmetal or Structured Frame. The CMS helps for
version control and knowing which chinks are used in which books. 
This is useful information when considering editing a chunk. DITA is a
popular XML publishing standard, although there are others. There is a
plug-in for structured Frame to have DITA support in Frame, and in Frame
8 it is built in.

HTH

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson



Gordon McLean wrote:
> I'm currently evaluating a variety of tools and solutions with an aim to
> moving the team to some form of single source process.
>  
> We have looked at, and like, DITA, and will be using that as the basis for
> our content.
>  
> However trying to find an end-to-end solution is proving hard, or perhaps
> I'm looking in the wrong places?
>  
> My belief is we need a database (CMS) to hold the content (as XML chunks),
> an editing application (FrameMaker?) as well as a set of rules to
transform
> the XML into something editable (or we get an XML editor like... XMetal?).
> We then need publishing engines to convert the XML to PDF, JavaHelp, HTML
> etc.
>  
> Ohh and we need to maintain three different versions (releases) of the
> documentation set.
>  
> The DITA side I've done a lot of research on, we have the beginnings of an
> Information Model and have planned out how we will specialise the schema
for
> our own use.
>  
> It's the tooling side that seems wide open. I've looked at the Open
Toolkit
> but (and this may be a strange admission for a TECHNICAL writer) it's a
> little heavy on the tech side. 
>  
> So, in short, I'm looking for any/all recommendations in this area. If you
> have a DITA based publishing system in place, with version control, I'd
love
> to hear about it!
>  
> Gordon
>  
> P.S. This is not an excuse for vendors to cold call me!
>
>


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FrameMaker DITA and CMS

[Gordon McLean]

I'm currently evaluating a variety of tools and solutions with an aim to
moving the team to some form of single source process.
 
We have looked at, and like, DITA, and will be using that as the basis for
our content.
 
However trying to find an end-to-end solution is proving hard, or perhaps
I'm looking in the wrong places?
 
My belief is we need a database (CMS) to hold the content (as XML chunks),
an editing application (FrameMaker?) as well as a set of rules to transform
the XML into something editable (or we get an XML editor like... XMetal?).
We then need publishing engines to convert the XML to PDF, JavaHelp, HTML
etc.
 
Ohh and we need to maintain three different versions (releases) of the
documentation set.
 
The DITA side I've done a lot of research on, we have the beginnings of an
Information Model and have planned out how we will specialise the schema for
our own use.
 
It's the tooling side that seems wide open. I've looked at the Open Toolkit
but (and this may be a strange admission for a TECHNICAL writer) it's a
little heavy on the tech side. 
 
So, in short, I'm looking for any/all recommendations in this area. If you
have a DITA based publishing system in place, with version control, I'd love
to hear about it!
 
Gordon
 
P.S. This is not an excuse for vendors to cold call me!


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I spy a Mark Twain quote in your email signature...

Are you familiar with the one about sarcasm?

Gordon 

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Sent: 01 November 2007 02:49
To: peter at knowhowpro.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: radical revamping of techpubs

Amen.


On Oct 31, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Peter Gold wrote:

> I've been deleting messages on this thread for some time because it's 
> not relevant to me.

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I'm on that list too Peter, I find both to be engaging at different times. 

Glad to hear that someone is using the delete key though!

Gordon

P.S. TechCommPro is currently discussing the horror of the fact that
postings there may be being archived by another service. Not really that
engaging at the moment! ;-)

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Subject: Re: radical revamping of techpubs

Hi, folks:

I've been deleting messages on this thread for some time because it's not
relevant to me.

However, you all might find a more engaging community at techcommpros, the
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I spy a Mark Twain quote in your email signature...

Are you familiar with the one about sarcasm?

Gordon 

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Amen.


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> I've been deleting messages on this thread for some time because it's 
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I'm on that list too Peter, I find both to be engaging at different times. 

Glad to hear that someone is using the delete key though!

Gordon

P.S. TechCommPro is currently discussing the horror of the fact that
postings there may be being archived by another service. Not really that
engaging at the moment! ;-)

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Hi, folks:

I've been deleting messages on this thread for some time because it's not
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[Gordon McLean]

So, is there a "Tech Writers in Agile Dev" mailing list? I'm a member of the
Agile Usability one but haven't, yet, stumbled across a scrum of writers
(sorry!).

Gordon 

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com] On Behalf Of Susan Modlin
Sent: 31 October 2007 00:03
To: Technical Writer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: radical revamping of techpubs

I've followed this thread with interest, even though it has precious little
to do with FrameMaker. 

My perspective differs somewhat from what I've seen so far in the
discussion. I've been working in and with agile development groups as a
writer or doc manager since late in the last century. When I first heard
about agile, I thought it was the devil's spawn, but it hasn't turned out
that way at all. In my experience, a writer in a well-run agile environment
can be involved from day one of the first iteration all the way through to
delivery of a final product -- and not just writing and rewriting the same
stuff over and over again. In fact, I find that I don't spend as much time
writing as I once did. However, as an integral part of the development
organization, I have no shortage of interesting and impactful (terrible
word) tasks on my plate. 

As a side note, I'm a certified (and very interested) scrum master. 

...Susan 



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[Gordon McLean]

So, is there a "Tech Writers in Agile Dev" mailing list? I'm a member of the
Agile Usability one but haven't, yet, stumbled across a scrum of writers
(sorry!).

Gordon 

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Subject: Re: radical revamping of techpubs

I've followed this thread with interest, even though it has precious little
to do with FrameMaker. 

My perspective differs somewhat from what I've seen so far in the
discussion. I've been working in and with agile development groups as a
writer or doc manager since late in the last century. When I first heard
about agile, I thought it was the devil's spawn, but it hasn't turned out
that way at all. In my experience, a writer in a well-run agile environment
can be involved from day one of the first iteration all the way through to
delivery of a final product -- and not just writing and rewriting the same
stuff over and over again. In fact, I find that I don't spend as much time
writing as I once did. However, as an integral part of the development
organization, I have no shortage of interesting and impactful (terrible
word) tasks on my plate. 

As a side note, I'm a certified (and very interested) scrum master. 

...Susan 



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>
> The movement toward Extreme Programming and Agile Development is a 
> case in point; documentation is considered a waste of valuable 
> developer time, and only needs to be slapped together in minimalist 
> form at the last minute. That is at odds with the "TW perspective"
> of involvement during the entire development process (which is ONLY 
> appropriate for Waterfall, because everything else changes).
>

Tosh.

http://www.agilemodeling.com/essays/agileModelingXP.htm#Documentation

"Outside your extreme programming project, you will probably need
documentation: by all means, write it. Inside your project, there is so much
verbal communication that you may need very little else.  Trust yourselves
to know the difference."

Ohhh wait, you mean that internal documentation is a waste of time, not
customer facing (and requested) documentation. Right?

That'll be why, as one of three technical authors working within an XP
driven development team (and I mean within as in sitting alongside,
contributing to design discussions, arguing UI points, trying early builds)
we are struggling to keep up with the (external) documentation requirements.

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RE: radical revamping of techpubs

[Gordon McLean]

>
> The movement toward Extreme Programming and Agile Development is a 
> case in point; documentation is considered a waste of valuable 
> developer time, and only needs to be slapped together in minimalist 
> form at the last minute. That is at odds with the "TW perspective"
> of involvement during the entire development process (which is ONLY 
> appropriate for Waterfall, because everything else changes).
>

Tosh.

http://www.agilemodeling.com/essays/agileModelingXP.htm#Documentation

"Outside your extreme programming project, you will probably need
documentation: by all means, write it. Inside your project, there is so much
verbal communication that you may need very little else.  Trust yourselves
to know the difference."

Ohhh wait, you mean that internal documentation is a waste of time, not
customer facing (and requested) documentation. Right?

That'll be why, as one of three technical authors working within an XP
driven development team (and I mean within as in sitting alongside,
contributing to design discussions, arguing UI points, trying early builds)
we are struggling to keep up with the (external) documentation requirements.

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Seeking info on AuthorIt vs. FrameMaker

[Gordon McLean]

And did you miss the bit on their website that offers the product to download 
for evaluation? That's the FULL product, with only the output crippled.

I've used it previously and other than the fact that it relies (relied?) on 
Word as the print output, and the limitations that brings to long documents, it 
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If you have the time, download it and try it.

For a one team single source solution, it's worth a look. 

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Subject: Seeking info on AuthorIt vs. FrameMaker

I have 3 potential customers who are rejecting FrameMaker in favor of AuthorIt. 
All 3 accounts are in e_Learning. Does anyone have an experienced opinion on 
what areas AuthorIt may have any advantages over FrameMaker?

I want to make sure that these accounts are making an informed opinion. I have 
gone over AuthorIt's website fairly thoroughly, and a comparison with 
FrameMaker is not obvious, based on their data.


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RE: Seeking info on AuthorIt vs. FrameMaker

[Gordon McLean]

And did you miss the bit on their website that offers the product to download 
for evaluation? That's the FULL product, with only the output crippled.

I've used it previously and other than the fact that it relies (relied?) on 
Word as the print output, and the limitations that brings to long documents, it 
was pretty good. From memory we had a 250 page manual that it dealt with quite 
happily. And, of course, you can spit out XML (it stores content in an SQL DB 
(or local JET db)) and refactor that if required.

If you have the time, download it and try it.

For a one team single source solution, it's worth a look. 

HTH

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All 3 accounts are in e_Learning. Does anyone have an experienced opinion on 
what areas AuthorIt may have any advantages over FrameMaker?
 
I want to make sure that these accounts are making an informed opinion. I have 
gone over AuthorIt's website fairly thoroughly, and a comparison with 
FrameMaker is not obvious, based on their data.
 

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Wow. Don't let the stereotypes door hit you on the arrse on the way out.


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Subject: Re: lest we forget

Donald M Rinderknecht wrote:
> Wow. And I thought that _I_ had been using Frame for a long time... 
> what version were they using then?
> 

I think they must have been the baa-ta testers of FrameMake.

> 
> Graeme R Forbes wrote:
this was when ambitious landowners cleared the
>> land of people in favor of sheep farming...the upshot was that 
>> thousands of poor framers...were thrown off their ancestral lands or 
>> out of their townships to fend for themselves with little or no 
>> resources to help them.
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RE: lest we forget

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Wow. Don't let the stereotypes door hit you on the arrse on the way out.


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> Wow. And I thought that _I_ had been using Frame for a long time... 
> what version were they using then?
> 

I think they must have been the baa-ta testers of FrameMake.

> 
> Graeme R Forbes wrote:
this was when ambitious landowners cleared the
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Documentum and FrameMaker advice

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The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in production (and
can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

Gordon


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Subject: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

My company just purchased documentum (in conjunction with another software
program) and I am trying to find a quick and dirty way for us to get
acclimated. Does anyone know of a good beginner's course or a  "documentum
for dummies" book that they can recommend?

  Thank you
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RE: Documentum and FrameMaker advice

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The Documentum documentation is pretty good, and I think they offer an end
user guide that covers all the fundamentals as well as the basics of
document management.

Working with FrameMaker and DCTM is another thing altogether. There was an
add-on application that helped but not sure if it's still in production (and
can't recall the name at the moment either).

HTH

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Unavailable Character Encodings

[Gordon McLean]

Thank you.

It's one of those things that is:
A. not something I do very often
B. obvious! 

Gordon

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Subject: Re: Unavailable Character Encodings

Just to clarify a bit, you have to turn off the "Remember..." option
*before* you open the file. And then after you have opened the file and
saved it with the font substitutions, you shouldn't forget to turn the
"Remember..." option back on, because in most circumstances it is a very
good idea.

Also, if you are not happy with the substitution mapping that FrameMaker
uses (which may not make a very appropriate substitution in every case
because FrameMaker has no knowledge about the characgteristics of the
missing font), you either need to do the substitution manually (by *not*
turning the Remember...
option off) or by editing the substitution table (which is moderately
arcane) before you use the Remember... option to make a permanent
substitution.


>From: Rene Stephenson 
>To: Gordon McLean ,
>framers at frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Unavailable Character Encodings
>Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
>
>If you do want to just use available fonts as automatically mapped by 
>FM, you can turn off "Remember Missing Font Names" in the General 
>Preferences, then save the doc.
>
>HTH
>Rene Stephenson
>
>Gordon McLean  wrote: Two questions.
>
>Where are the archives for this list... sorry, where are the SEARCHABLE 
>archives for this list??
>
>I have a FrameMaker document which has unavailable character encodings. 
>I'm told that "To reformat the document using available fonts, click OK."
>
>I click OK. Document opens, I save the document, close it and... get 
>the same message when I open it again. A common issue (I think) but not 
>one I've had for .. years? so the solution evades me.
>
>Help me Obi-wan, you are my only hope...
>
>Gordon
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Unavailable Character Encodings

[Gordon McLean]

Two questions.

Where are the archives for this list... sorry, where are the SEARCHABLE
archives for this list??

I have a FrameMaker document which has unavailable character encodings. I'm
told that "To reformat the document using available fonts, click OK."

I click OK. Document opens, I save the document, close it and... get the
same message when I open it again. A common issue (I think) but not one I've
had for .. years? so the solution evades me.

Help me Obi-wan, you are my only hope...

Gordon

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RE: Unavailable Character Encodings

[Gordon McLean]

Thank you.

It's one of those things that is:
A. not something I do very often
B. obvious! 

Gordon

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Subject: Re: Unavailable Character Encodings

Just to clarify a bit, you have to turn off the "Remember..." option
*before* you open the file. And then after you have opened the file and
saved it with the font substitutions, you shouldn't forget to turn the
"Remember..." option back on, because in most circumstances it is a very
good idea.

Also, if you are not happy with the substitution mapping that FrameMaker
uses (which may not make a very appropriate substitution in every case
because FrameMaker has no knowledge about the characgteristics of the
missing font), you either need to do the substitution manually (by *not*
turning the Remember...
option off) or by editing the substitution table (which is moderately
arcane) before you use the Remember... option to make a permanent
substitution.


>From: Rene Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: Gordon McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Unavailable Character Encodings
>Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2007 09:09:53 -0700 (PDT)
>
>If you do want to just use available fonts as automatically mapped by 
>FM, you can turn off "Remember Missing Font Names" in the General 
>Preferences, then save the doc.
>
>HTH
>Rene Stephenson
>
>Gordon McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Two questions.
>
>Where are the archives for this list... sorry, where are the SEARCHABLE 
>archives for this list??
>
>I have a FrameMaker document which has unavailable character encodings. 
>I'm told that "To reformat the document using available fonts, click OK."
>
>I click OK. Document opens, I save the document, close it and... get 
>the same message when I open it again. A common issue (I think) but not 
>one I've had for .. years? so the solution evades me.
>
>Help me Obi-wan, you are my only hope...
>
>Gordon
>
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Unavailable Character Encodings

[Gordon McLean]

Two questions.
 
Where are the archives for this list... sorry, where are the SEARCHABLE
archives for this list??
 
I have a FrameMaker document which has unavailable character encodings. I'm
told that "To reformat the document using available fonts, click OK."
 
I click OK. Document opens, I save the document, close it and... get the
same message when I open it again. A common issue (I think) but not one I've
had for .. years? so the solution evades me.
 
Help me Obi-wan, you are my only hope...
 
Gordon
 
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Which is better, FM with DocBook or DITA

[Gordon McLean]

Depends on your needs Diane. And I wouldn't worry about FM 'playing' with
either, getting the right standard is more important than the tool and FM is
capable of round-trip to either standard.

I'm assuming you will be storing the content as XML, pulling it from a CMS
(or CCMS as I heard recently) and using the standard to help control the
input (using FM as the editor). If not then the following may still be of
use but not a direct answer.

You can specialise (customise) either to meet your specific needs. In a
nutshell, and I'm not expert but from what I've read etc etc, DocBook looks
very comprehensive and may be overkill for some... DITA has fewer elements
and was created specifically to support topic/task based documentation.

Personally I've been looking at DITA I think DocBook is overkill for our
needs but you'd need to do some more digging into each standard first. Get
your requirements together (from EVERYONE who will be contributing content)
and then assess each standard.

I know that the DITA guys and gals have a working committee in the process
of looking at interoperability but it's early days for that (the premise
being that you should be able to use, for example, a DITA topic within a
DocBook manual).

I'm sure there will be whitepapers out there on this, or at the very least
some well informed opinions from people more knowledgeable in this area than
I, so fire up Google.

This may be of use as well: http://norman.walsh.name/2006/03/24/dita2006
(scroll down for some great content!)

HTH

Gordon


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Sent: 08 June 2007 07:00
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Which is better, FM with DocBook or DITA

Hi everyone,

You might remember that a few weeks ago I asked about FM vs AT.  I got some
REALLY good information which is now all in a huge spreadsheet that I will
make available when it is complete.  Many thanks to all of you who provided
all that great information.

Now I have another question, almost as complicated.  Structured FM can work
with both OASIS XML standards: DocBook and DITA.  But which one is the
better standard to use?  Or does it make any difference?  One of our
divisions in Japan has decided on AT with Docbook 4.2 because it is what one
of our OEM customers use.  They want us to do the same.  We would rather use
FM, but are undecided on which standard to use.

According to Adobe,

FM 7.2 supports DocBood 4.1 and xDocBook 4.1.2.  Does anyone know if it
supports later versions such as 4.2?  I found info on the OASIS website that
says the latest verion they support is 4.4, and other information that says
there is a least a verion 5.0 of DocBook. 

Thanks everybody!

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems
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RE: Which is better, FM with DocBook or DITA

[Gordon McLean]

Depends on your needs Diane. And I wouldn't worry about FM 'playing' with
either, getting the right standard is more important than the tool and FM is
capable of round-trip to either standard.

I'm assuming you will be storing the content as XML, pulling it from a CMS
(or CCMS as I heard recently) and using the standard to help control the
input (using FM as the editor). If not then the following may still be of
use but not a direct answer.

You can specialise (customise) either to meet your specific needs. In a
nutshell, and I'm not expert but from what I've read etc etc, DocBook looks
very comprehensive and may be overkill for some... DITA has fewer elements
and was created specifically to support topic/task based documentation.

Personally I've been looking at DITA I think DocBook is overkill for our
needs but you'd need to do some more digging into each standard first. Get
your requirements together (from EVERYONE who will be contributing content)
and then assess each standard.

I know that the DITA guys and gals have a working committee in the process
of looking at interoperability but it's early days for that (the premise
being that you should be able to use, for example, a DITA topic within a
DocBook manual).

I'm sure there will be whitepapers out there on this, or at the very least
some well informed opinions from people more knowledgeable in this area than
I, so fire up Google.

This may be of use as well: http://norman.walsh.name/2006/03/24/dita2006
(scroll down for some great content!)

HTH

Gordon


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com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: 08 June 2007 07:00
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Which is better, FM with DocBook or DITA

Hi everyone,

You might remember that a few weeks ago I asked about FM vs AT.  I got some
REALLY good information which is now all in a huge spreadsheet that I will
make available when it is complete.  Many thanks to all of you who provided
all that great information.

Now I have another question, almost as complicated.  Structured FM can work
with both OASIS XML standards: DocBook and DITA.  But which one is the
better standard to use?  Or does it make any difference?  One of our
divisions in Japan has decided on AT with Docbook 4.2 because it is what one
of our OEM customers use.  They want us to do the same.  We would rather use
FM, but are undecided on which standard to use.

According to Adobe,

FM 7.2 supports DocBood 4.1 and xDocBook 4.1.2.  Does anyone know if it
supports later versions such as 4.2?  I found info on the OASIS website that
says the latest verion they support is 4.4, and other information that says
there is a least a verion 5.0 of DocBook. 

Thanks everybody!

Diane Gaskill
Hitachi Data Systems
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Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5? [CLOSED]

[Gordon McLean]

Thanks to all who responded both on and off list.

Turns out the files themselves are corrupt, so looks like I'll be reworking
them from HTML into FrameMaker... Joy.

Much appreciated everyone, favours are owed!

Gordon

P.S. Lest anyone think otherwise, I haven't been active on the list recently
because... Umm... I suspended delivery when I went on holiday and forgot to
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[mailto:framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.
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Sent: 31 May 2007 11:51
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Subject: Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5?

I've been asked to re-work an old document and the source docs are in
FrameMaker 5. No problem, I thought, as version 7 should just upgrade them
but...

I'm getting errors and can't open the files. I can't decide whether the ZIP
files have been corrupted, or whether it's a FrameMaker issue and as my
predecessors seemed to have binned the old version 5 CDs (or hid them very
well!) I'm kinda stuck.

Any suggestions? Is version 5 available to buy anywhere? I can't find a
source for it at all.

Gordon

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Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5?

[Gordon McLean]

I've been asked to re-work an old document and the source docs are in
FrameMaker 5. No problem, I thought, as version 7 should just upgrade them
but...

I'm getting errors and can't open the files. I can't decide whether the ZIP
files have been corrupted, or whether it's a FrameMaker issue and as my
predecessors seemed to have binned the old version 5 CDs (or hid them very
well!) I'm kinda stuck.

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source for it at all.

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RE: Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5? [CLOSED]

[Gordon McLean]

Thanks to all who responded both on and off list.

Turns out the files themselves are corrupt, so looks like I'll be reworking
them from HTML into FrameMaker... Joy.

Much appreciated everyone, favours are owed!

Gordon

P.S. Lest anyone think otherwise, I haven't been active on the list recently
because... Umm... I suspended delivery when I went on holiday and forgot to
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Subject: Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5?

I've been asked to re-work an old document and the source docs are in
FrameMaker 5. No problem, I thought, as version 7 should just upgrade them
but...
 
I'm getting errors and can't open the files. I can't decide whether the ZIP
files have been corrupted, or whether it's a FrameMaker issue and as my
predecessors seemed to have binned the old version 5 CDs (or hid them very
well!) I'm kinda stuck.
 
Any suggestions? Is version 5 available to buy anywhere? I can't find a
source for it at all.
 
Gordon
 
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Help, anyone got FrameMaker 5?

[Gordon McLean]

I've been asked to re-work an old document and the source docs are in
FrameMaker 5. No problem, I thought, as version 7 should just upgrade them
but...
 
I'm getting errors and can't open the files. I can't decide whether the ZIP
files have been corrupted, or whether it's a FrameMaker issue and as my
predecessors seemed to have binned the old version 5 CDs (or hid them very
well!) I'm kinda stuck.
 
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source for it at all.
 
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Answers: CMS for FrameMaker

[Gordon McLean]

Brilliant info Dianne, thanks for sharing this.

REALLY needs stored somewhere other than the archives, this kind of thing!

Gordon

www.onemanwrites.co.uk 

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[mailto:framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.
com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: 02 May 2007 02:58
To: Rick Quatro; framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: Answers: CMS for FrameMaker

Hi Rick,

As part of my research on FM and AT, I have also been looking at CMS.  And I
found some good info.  I know of at least three CMS systems that will work
with FM and I have just begun to scratch the surface of the lists I am
looking at.

FM7 can be used with SiberSafe XML CMS.  See the article at
http://www.frameusers.com/?q=node/182

It can also be used with Astoria.  Actually it's a second version called
LightSpeedAstoria.
Go to www.cmsreview.com/Proprietary/directory.html  There are many systems
described and compared on that site.  Incidentally, Astoria can also be used
with AT.

Another good CMS system that can be used with FM is Vasont.  Vasont has a
plug-in for FM that allows you direct access to the CMS.
http://www.vasont.com/vasont/software/extensions.asp

The Vasont UI streamlines the writing and publishing process by providing an
editorial interface so that authors and editors can access Vasont?s
functionality from the main menu of their favorite authoring and publishing
tools, such as:
- Adobe? FrameMaker?
- Arbortext Epic Editor
- Just Systems XMetaL?
- Microsoft? Word

A CMS for Word...?  Yeah, but who'd wanna...  never mind.

Another good site with information on CMS is http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ There
are about a hundred systems listed there.  You can select any 10 of them and
the site will build a table comparing those ten.

Incidentally, Adobe has officially adopted DITA and CMS.   See the article
at
http://www.travelthepath.com/structure3.html

I am hoping that FM8 (which I've read in another email on this list is a
full release with new features) will put this all together very nicely.

Hope this helps.

Diane



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Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:59 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: CMS for FrameMaker


Hello Framers,

Does anyone have a ready-list of CMS that work specifically with FrameMaker
documents? Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



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RE: Answers: CMS for FrameMaker

[Gordon McLean]

Brilliant info Dianne, thanks for sharing this.

REALLY needs stored somewhere other than the archives, this kind of thing!

Gordon

www.onemanwrites.co.uk 

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com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill
Sent: 02 May 2007 02:58
To: Rick Quatro; framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Answers: CMS for FrameMaker

Hi Rick,

As part of my research on FM and AT, I have also been looking at CMS.  And I
found some good info.  I know of at least three CMS systems that will work
with FM and I have just begun to scratch the surface of the lists I am
looking at.

FM7 can be used with SiberSafe XML CMS.  See the article at
http://www.frameusers.com/?q=node/182

It can also be used with Astoria.  Actually it's a second version called
LightSpeedAstoria.
Go to www.cmsreview.com/Proprietary/directory.html  There are many systems
described and compared on that site.  Incidentally, Astoria can also be used
with AT.

Another good CMS system that can be used with FM is Vasont.  Vasont has a
plug-in for FM that allows you direct access to the CMS.
http://www.vasont.com/vasont/software/extensions.asp

The Vasont UI streamlines the writing and publishing process by providing an
editorial interface so that authors and editors can access Vasont’s
functionality from the main menu of their favorite authoring and publishing
tools, such as:
- Adobe® FrameMaker®
- Arbortext Epic Editor
- Just Systems XMetaL®
- Microsoft® Word

A CMS for Word...?  Yeah, but who'd wanna...  never mind.

Another good site with information on CMS is http://www.cmsmatrix.org/ There
are about a hundred systems listed there.  You can select any 10 of them and
the site will build a table comparing those ten.

Incidentally, Adobe has officially adopted DITA and CMS.   See the article
at
http://www.travelthepath.com/structure3.html

I am hoping that FM8 (which I've read in another email on this list is a
full release with new features) will put this all together very nicely.

Hope this helps.

Diane



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Subject: CMS for FrameMaker


Hello Framers,

Does anyone have a ready-list of CMS that work specifically with FrameMaker
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Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



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Geeky Friday Humor

[Gordon McLean]

Thank you to all who have contacted me. 

I MAY have gotten around to figuring that one out... Sometime in the middle
of a very important meeting in the middle of next week, probably...

Yeah. It IS funny!!

Yay for Fridays. Boo for being at work at 8.30pm! 

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com] On Behalf Of Gordon McLean
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Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Geeky Friday Humor

It is?

Don't get it. Is this a USA specific funny?? 

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[mailto:framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.
com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: 20 April 2007 19:16
To: Sarah O'Keefe
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Geeky Friday Humor

Now THAT is funny!

On 4/20/07, Sarah O'Keefe  wrote:
> There's a car in our area that has a license plate that reads:
>
> FEATURE
>
> You get ONE guess as to the model.
>
> Sarah
>
> Hint: It's a VW...


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Geeky Friday Humor

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It is?

Don't get it. Is this a USA specific funny?? 

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[mailto:framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.
com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: 20 April 2007 19:16
To: Sarah O'Keefe
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Geeky Friday Humor

Now THAT is funny!

On 4/20/07, Sarah O'Keefe  wrote:
> There's a car in our area that has a license plate that reads:
>
> FEATURE
>
> You get ONE guess as to the model.
>
> Sarah
>
> Hint: It's a VW...


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RE: Geeky Friday Humor

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Thank you to all who have contacted me. 

I MAY have gotten around to figuring that one out... Sometime in the middle
of a very important meeting in the middle of next week, probably...

Yeah. It IS funny!!

Yay for Fridays. Boo for being at work at 8.30pm! 

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It is?

Don't get it. Is this a USA specific funny?? 

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Now THAT is funny!

On 4/20/07, Sarah O'Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> You get ONE guess as to the model.
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RE: Geeky Friday Humor

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It is?

Don't get it. Is this a USA specific funny?? 

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com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
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Subject: Re: Geeky Friday Humor

Now THAT is funny!

On 4/20/07, Sarah O'Keefe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There's a car in our area that has a license plate that reads:
>
> FEATURE
>
> You get ONE guess as to the model.
>
> Sarah
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> Hint: It's a VW...


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Do we an import tool to import .mif files into AuthorIT

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Don't quote me on this but I think the registered version turns off the
"Jabberwocky" text. The evaluation has that limitation permanently but I've
used the MIF import filter extensively without problem.

Gordon 

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[mailto:framers-bounces+gordon.mclean=grahamtechnology.com at lists.frameusers.
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Subject: RE: Do we an import tool to import .mif files into AuthorIT

The MIF filter provided with standard AuthorIt is an evaluation version that
adds weird words in the import process. I tried it and it did so too. You
have to buy the MIF filter extension.

Mathieu.


>From: vikram chugh 
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Do we an import tool to import .mif files into AuthorIT
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:28:02 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hi,
>We have been asked to used AuthorIT to generate onlinr help. Our source 
>files are in FrameMaker, but when we want to import these files into 
>AuthirIT we getting a lot of junk text. I wanted to konow if there is 
>any import tool where we can import .mif files into AuthorIT. Any kind 
>of help would be appriciated.
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RE: Do we an import tool to import .mif files into AuthorIT

[Gordon McLean]

Don't quote me on this but I think the registered version turns off the
"Jabberwocky" text. The evaluation has that limitation permanently but I've
used the MIF import filter extensively without problem.

Gordon 

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The MIF filter provided with standard AuthorIt is an evaluation version that
adds weird words in the import process. I tried it and it did so too. You
have to buy the MIF filter extension.

Mathieu.


>From: vikram chugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Do we an import tool to import .mif files into AuthorIT
>Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:28:02 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hi,
>We have been asked to used AuthorIT to generate onlinr help. Our source 
>files are in FrameMaker, but when we want to import these files into 
>AuthirIT we getting a lot of junk text. I wanted to konow if there is 
>any import tool where we can import .mif files into AuthorIT. Any kind 
>of help would be appriciated.
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need help selecting doc tools

[Gordon McLean]

Aaron,

Have you posted this question anywhere else? To a "non" FrameMaker list for
example (TechWR?). Just a thought.

As others have said, I'd want to know more about what outputs were required,
how often you have to build them, and what the usage of the docs will be. 

FrameMaker + WWP is a good package but depending on your needs there are
better ones out there.

Gordon 

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Hello all:

I am starting a new venture on Monday at a startup company that has never
had a tech writer and needs me to write all the doc from scratch.  I've been
using FrameMaker 6.0 for several years now with WebWorks Professional 2003.
My new boss (VP of Engineering) has asked me to put together a doc tools
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RE: need help selecting doc tools

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Aaron,

Have you posted this question anywhere else? To a "non" FrameMaker list for
example (TechWR?). Just a thought.

As others have said, I'd want to know more about what outputs were required,
how often you have to build them, and what the usage of the docs will be. 

FrameMaker + WWP is a good package but depending on your needs there are
better ones out there.

Gordon 

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Hello all:

I am starting a new venture on Monday at a startup company that has never
had a tech writer and needs me to write all the doc from scratch.  I've been
using FrameMaker 6.0 for several years now with WebWorks Professional 2003.
My new boss (VP of Engineering) has asked me to put together a doc tools
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NagGram

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Read the manual? Are you mad? NO-ONE DOES THAT!!

Call yerself a technical author... ;-)

And yes, it's Friday.

(valid point though, although I use The Complete Reference book more than
the manual).

Gordon

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 From the tenor of a lot of the recent postings here, I can only conclude
that a lot of folks out there are not reading the FM Manual.  
At all.
My suggestion is to keep a copy of the FM manual handy for bedroom -- or
bathroom -- reading.
And don't forget the Quick Reference Card.
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RE: NagGram

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Read the manual? Are you mad? NO-ONE DOES THAT!!

Call yerself a technical author... ;-)

And yes, it's Friday.

(valid point though, although I use The Complete Reference book more than
the manual).

Gordon

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 From the tenor of a lot of the recent postings here, I can only conclude
that a lot of folks out there are not reading the FM Manual.  
At all.
My suggestion is to keep a copy of the FM manual handy for bedroom -- or
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Frame's future

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Sales figures will reveal the story.

What sells more, Photoshop or FrameMaker?

*yawns*

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What sells more, Photoshop or FrameMaker?

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How do you store your information?

[Gordon McLean]

Many thanks Marcus. Some clarifications follow, as does one more question. 

As you rightly point out, FM is not a content management product. I am fully
aware of that fact, but unfortunately it seems my predecessors either
weren't, or (as is more likely) hadn't managed to take the next step forward
towards 'better' single sourcing. I'm eternally grateful that I inherited a
well formed EDD though!

As for breaking up the files into XML chunks, I have the level of
granularity pretty much sorted, content and re-use maps in place, and the
only thing that is stopping me hacking it all up is covered by this sentence
of yours:

"Then I'd get a programmer to write something that built a consolidated
document for the purpose of publishing." 

When you say "consolidated document" I'm presuming that that is an XML file
that, more or less, equates to a chapter (for example)? I'm also presuming
that, once such a document is in place, I can use FM to handle book files
(which don't contain any content), and generated lists (TOC, IX etc) as per
usual.

We have SVN in place here, so storing and maintaining the XML files isn't
too much of a hassle (it's just a glorified file system, innit!). So I guess
I "just" need to crack that middle stage. The techie in me, naturally,
baulks at the idea of asking a programmer for help.. ;-)

Thanks for the clarification. I think I had the basic ideas in my head but
without hearing this I was fearly of venturing off down a darkened path.

More reading for me it seems.

Thanks again,

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RE: How do you store your information?

[Gordon McLean]

Many thanks Marcus. Some clarifications follow, as does one more question. 

As you rightly point out, FM is not a content management product. I am fully
aware of that fact, but unfortunately it seems my predecessors either
weren't, or (as is more likely) hadn't managed to take the next step forward
towards 'better' single sourcing. I'm eternally grateful that I inherited a
well formed EDD though!

As for breaking up the files into XML chunks, I have the level of
granularity pretty much sorted, content and re-use maps in place, and the
only thing that is stopping me hacking it all up is covered by this sentence
of yours:

"Then I'd get a programmer to write something that built a consolidated
document for the purpose of publishing." 

When you say "consolidated document" I'm presuming that that is an XML file
that, more or less, equates to a chapter (for example)? I'm also presuming
that, once such a document is in place, I can use FM to handle book files
(which don't contain any content), and generated lists (TOC, IX etc) as per
usual.

We have SVN in place here, so storing and maintaining the XML files isn't
too much of a hassle (it's just a glorified file system, innit!). So I guess
I "just" need to crack that middle stage. The techie in me, naturally,
baulks at the idea of asking a programmer for help.. ;-)

Thanks for the clarification. I think I had the basic ideas in my head but
without hearing this I was fearly of venturing off down a darkened path.

More reading for me it seems.

Thanks again,

Gordon McLean



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How do you store your information?

[Gordon McLean]

Thanks Yves, I'm well aware of DITA.

So let's take a step forward. Let's presume I have all my content properly
chunked. What then? Is it living on a file system? How do I work with it in
FrameMaker, do I NEED FrameMaker? Do I pull content from a database? I'm not
worried about the low-level technical details of XML, DITA and so on. I'm
learning those, and will understand them better as time goes on. 

When I first looked at DITA I suggested that one big stumbling block would
be the lack of "ease-into-ability" that switching to that kind of system
would imply. Any subsequent discussions along these lines veers between the
business reasons of WHY you would want to go down the single source route,
or heads off into techie-land discussing the details of how you get it done
at an XML level. Surely we are missing a level in-between?

Or, again, is it just me? 

Yes, I know why my current situation suggests single source is something we
need to be embracing. 
Yes I know that DITA is the upcoming player in this space. 
Yes, we already have an EDD but the content is still stored in FM. 
Yes, I know I have some work converting things to use DITA as the basis of
the structure.

I guess what I'm asking for is an inbetween message that says something
like: You should save all your files to XML, store them in a database (we
suggest product XYZ), then use FrameMaker and...??? to build books and
generate PDFs as you normally would.

I've used AuthorIT in the past, and that level of re-use is simple and
efficient, would I be better switching products?? Is there really not any
FrameMaker based solution that can match it? 

Or does this information simply not yet exist? If not, then I'm curious as
to how everyone is managing their content.

Yours, still somewhat befuddled,

Gordon


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From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 26 February 2007 13:40
To: Gordon McLean
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How do you store your information?


Hi Gordon,

you want to take a look at DITA:

- http://dita.xml.org/

- http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-dita1/index.html
<http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-dita1/index.html> 

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DITA

- http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/framemaker_ap/

Best regards

-- 
Yves Barbion 
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
 


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How do you store your information?

[Gordon McLean]

We use structured FrameMaker. We have a mature EDD, we are happy with the
way things are.

But it's not really any closer to single source, or modular documentation,
as we still have the content stored in .FM files and organised in books.
However, trying to find out the best way to store the documentation, so it
will be properly modular, is proving tricky (of course, it may just be my
interpretation and understanding that is lacking).

Does anyone store their content in a database? Or as XML? How re-usable is
your solution?

We have a lot of similar areas of our product, and I want to make the best
use of the existing content but at present it's still a lot of cut-n-paste
which is not good. 

Where am I going wrong?

Gordon 

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RE: How do you store your information?

[Gordon McLean]

Thanks Yves, I'm well aware of DITA.
 
So let's take a step forward. Let's presume I have all my content properly
chunked. What then? Is it living on a file system? How do I work with it in
FrameMaker, do I NEED FrameMaker? Do I pull content from a database? I'm not
worried about the low-level technical details of XML, DITA and so on. I'm
learning those, and will understand them better as time goes on. 
 
When I first looked at DITA I suggested that one big stumbling block would
be the lack of "ease-into-ability" that switching to that kind of system
would imply. Any subsequent discussions along these lines veers between the
business reasons of WHY you would want to go down the single source route,
or heads off into techie-land discussing the details of how you get it done
at an XML level. Surely we are missing a level in-between?
 
Or, again, is it just me? 
 
Yes, I know why my current situation suggests single source is something we
need to be embracing. 
Yes I know that DITA is the upcoming player in this space. 
Yes, we already have an EDD but the content is still stored in FM. 
Yes, I know I have some work converting things to use DITA as the basis of
the structure.
 
I guess what I'm asking for is an inbetween message that says something
like: You should save all your files to XML, store them in a database (we
suggest product XYZ), then use FrameMaker and...??? to build books and
generate PDFs as you normally would.
 
I've used AuthorIT in the past, and that level of re-use is simple and
efficient, would I be better switching products?? Is there really not any
FrameMaker based solution that can match it? 
 
Or does this information simply not yet exist? If not, then I'm curious as
to how everyone is managing their content.
 
Yours, still somewhat befuddled,
 
Gordon
 

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From: Yves Barbion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 26 February 2007 13:40
To: Gordon McLean
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: How do you store your information?


Hi Gordon,

you want to take a look at DITA:

- http://dita.xml.org/

- http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-dita1/index.html
<http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-dita1/index.html> 

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DITA

- http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/framemaker_ap/

Best regards

-- 
Yves Barbion 
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor
 


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How do you store your information?

[Gordon McLean]

We use structured FrameMaker. We have a mature EDD, we are happy with the
way things are.
 
But it's not really any closer to single source, or modular documentation,
as we still have the content stored in .FM files and organised in books.
However, trying to find out the best way to store the documentation, so it
will be properly modular, is proving tricky (of course, it may just be my
interpretation and understanding that is lacking).
 
Does anyone store their content in a database? Or as XML? How re-usable is
your solution?
 
We have a lot of similar areas of our product, and I want to make the best
use of the existing content but at present it's still a lot of cut-n-paste
which is not good. 
 
Where am I going wrong?
 
Gordon 
 
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Frame's future

[Gordon McLean]

Whilst it may be wrong to compare this scenario to one offered by a free
product...

Firefox and extensions anyone? Add in some charges/licensing and you have
what seems to be a good model that is flexible enough for everyone involved,
including Adobe?

I agree with Shlomo, I think a lot of people use FM out of the box, and I'd
guess that it's largely because it's not made obvious that there ARE
plugins, and then once you are aware they exist, finding them can be quite
tricky (that list of Index plugins includes some I've never even heard
of...).

Gordon

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Subject: RE: Frame's future

Licensing and integrating existing plug-ins is an excellent way to extend
functionality of a core product. In response to Hedley's suggestion, I
mentioned the DITA and Apply Master Pages plug-ins as examples for plug-ins
that are already incorporated into FrameMaker.

There are many high-quality plug-ins out there that could significantly
improve the end user experience -- handling tables, indexing, markers,
conversion, manage formats, archiving, and many more. The FrameScript
runtime is also a great idea.

Even though some of the existing 3rd party add-ons are low cost (or even
free), my impression is that the vast majority of FrameMaker users use
FrameMaker as it comes out of the box (this is probably true with respect to
other products).


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RE: Frame's future

[Gordon McLean]

Whilst it may be wrong to compare this scenario to one offered by a free
product...

Firefox and extensions anyone? Add in some charges/licensing and you have
what seems to be a good model that is flexible enough for everyone involved,
including Adobe?

I agree with Shlomo, I think a lot of people use FM out of the box, and I'd
guess that it's largely because it's not made obvious that there ARE
plugins, and then once you are aware they exist, finding them can be quite
tricky (that list of Index plugins includes some I've never even heard
of...).

Gordon

-Original Message-
Subject: RE: Frame's future

Licensing and integrating existing plug-ins is an excellent way to extend
functionality of a core product. In response to Hedley's suggestion, I
mentioned the DITA and Apply Master Pages plug-ins as examples for plug-ins
that are already incorporated into FrameMaker.

There are many high-quality plug-ins out there that could significantly
improve the end user experience -- handling tables, indexing, markers,
conversion, manage formats, archiving, and many more. The FrameScript
runtime is also a great idea.

Even though some of the existing 3rd party add-ons are low cost (or even
free), my impression is that the vast majority of FrameMaker users use
FrameMaker as it comes out of the box (this is probably true with respect to
other products).


Shlomo Perets



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rant moan fm to word rant moan

[Gordon McLean]

Funny.

No not your response, but the way I reached out here before even considering
heading to the Tech Support for the product.

And yes, I do need to sit down and read the help, alas the consultants who
are sitting on my desk don't really have the time for me to do that,
especially as I'm still "evaluating" MIF2GO (although I'm tempted to publish
the output spackled with Jabberwocky... Just to see if anyone reads it!

Thanks to all, will have another play today,

Gordon 

-Original Message-
From: Caroline Tabach [mailto:carol...@radcom.com] 
Sent: 20 February 2007 09:02
To: Gordon McLean; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: rant moan fm to word rant moan

" as ever, I'm
sure someone out there has some top tips?"

I would just like to  clarify something, MIF2Go is the only technical
writing product I work with that has real customer support, that is why you
see so few MIF2GO questions on the lists, and you can write directly to them
to get the quick tip you need.
You just need the patience to sit down and read the help/User guide.

Caroline?Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer


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Email:?? caroline at radcom.com
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www.protocols.com


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[mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Gordon McLean
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:32 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: rant moan fm to word rant moan

I've been playing with the Mif2Go product this morning as I have a
requirement to produce "editable" versions of part of the product docs set.
Having laughed off FMs "Save As" feature (which generated a 51MB .RTF
file!!), I've tried converting a PDF to Word, which places all the text
within frames in the Word doc, and then recalled discussions here about
Mif2Go.

It's far better than the other options but it's still not all that great,
the bulk of the text is fine but any images which have callouts just get
borked. 

So, I guess I'm asking for any suggestions or tips in improving the Mif2Go
output. I'm trawling through their help file at the moment but, as ever, I'm
sure someone out there has some top tips?

Gordon

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RE: rant moan fm to word rant moan

[Gordon McLean]

Funny.

No not your response, but the way I reached out here before even considering
heading to the Tech Support for the product.

And yes, I do need to sit down and read the help, alas the consultants who
are sitting on my desk don't really have the time for me to do that,
especially as I'm still "evaluating" MIF2GO (although I'm tempted to publish
the output spackled with Jabberwocky... Just to see if anyone reads it!

Thanks to all, will have another play today,

Gordon 

-Original Message-
From: Caroline Tabach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 20 February 2007 09:02
To: Gordon McLean; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: rant moan fm to word rant moan

" as ever, I'm
sure someone out there has some top tips?"

I would just like to  clarify something, MIF2Go is the only technical
writing product I work with that has real customer support, that is why you
see so few MIF2GO questions on the lists, and you can write directly to them
to get the quick tip you need.
You just need the patience to sit down and read the help/User guide.

Caroline Tabach
Technical/Marcom Writer


    
Fax: +972 3 6474681
Email:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.radcom.com
www.protocols.com


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Gordon McLean
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 2:32 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: rant moan fm to word rant moan

I've been playing with the Mif2Go product this morning as I have a
requirement to produce "editable" versions of part of the product docs set.
Having laughed off FMs "Save As" feature (which generated a 51MB .RTF
file!!), I've tried converting a PDF to Word, which places all the text
within frames in the Word doc, and then recalled discussions here about
Mif2Go.
 
It's far better than the other options but it's still not all that great,
the bulk of the text is fine but any images which have callouts just get
borked. 
 
So, I guess I'm asking for any suggestions or tips in improving the Mif2Go
output. I'm trawling through their help file at the moment but, as ever, I'm
sure someone out there has some top tips?
 
Gordon
 
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rant moan fm to word rant moan

[Gordon McLean]

I've been playing with the Mif2Go product this morning as I have a
requirement to produce "editable" versions of part of the product docs set.
Having laughed off FMs "Save As" feature (which generated a 51MB .RTF
file!!), I've tried converting a PDF to Word, which places all the text
within frames in the Word doc, and then recalled discussions here about
Mif2Go.

It's far better than the other options but it's still not all that great,
the bulk of the text is fine but any images which have callouts just get
borked. 

So, I guess I'm asking for any suggestions or tips in improving the Mif2Go
output. I'm trawling through their help file at the moment but, as ever, I'm
sure someone out there has some top tips?

Gordon

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rant moan fm to word rant moan

[Gordon McLean]

I've been playing with the Mif2Go product this morning as I have a
requirement to produce "editable" versions of part of the product docs set.
Having laughed off FMs "Save As" feature (which generated a 51MB .RTF
file!!), I've tried converting a PDF to Word, which places all the text
within frames in the Word doc, and then recalled discussions here about
Mif2Go.
 
It's far better than the other options but it's still not all that great,
the bulk of the text is fine but any images which have callouts just get
borked. 
 
So, I guess I'm asking for any suggestions or tips in improving the Mif2Go
output. I'm trawling through their help file at the moment but, as ever, I'm
sure someone out there has some top tips?
 
Gordon
 
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Reasons to structure

[Gordon McLean]

I'm on the FM-DITA mailing list Art, and was invovled about a year or two
ago when it was just starting out. 

I still keep on top of things, but in my last place we switched to AuthorIT
as it meet our needs. My current position already has a structured
FrameMaker setup, so I've missed the chance to 'learn it hands on'. 

I'm not against structured FrameMaker, but, and I said this in the early
DITA days as well, it's a bit daunting for some people and would benefit
from a simple way to 'get into it'. I agree that DITA is probably that very
way.

G 

-Original Message-

You may want to look over, and play with, the FM DITA plug in. It's a
structured tool, obviously, but seems to be a rationally usable tool rather
than an entire philosophy.

Art

On 2/15/07, Gordon McLean  wrote:
> "If you work in the tech industry and don't have time to learn, your 
> fate is sealed."
>
> I know what you are saying, but you are presuming that learning how to 
> use a technology is more important than learning whether or not that 
> technology is cost-effective to me in my current situation.
>
> On top of that, at the moment and to a lot of people, structured 
> FrameMaker talks the talk but -heavens to betsy- the walk looks like a
complicated one.
> When the walk is a little easier, I'll start to learn the steps. Just 
> as I did with HTML, then CSS.
>
> There is a brewing thought in here about Tipping Points but time 
> marches on..
>



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Reasons to structure

[Gordon McLean]

"If you work in the tech industry and don't have time to learn, your fate is
sealed."

I know what you are saying, but you are presuming that learning how to use a
technology is more important than learning whether or not that technology is
cost-effective to me in my current situation.

On top of that, at the moment and to a lot of people, structured FrameMaker
talks the talk but -heavens to betsy- the walk looks like a complicated one.
When the walk is a little easier, I'll start to learn the steps. Just as I
did with HTML, then CSS. 

There is a brewing thought in here about Tipping Points but time marches
on..

So, that's what I have learned about structured FrameMaker, but then I tend
to let the early adopters do all the work and then swoop in later on. ;-)

G


-Original Message-
Jeremy, I don't think that is harsh at all. What I think is harsh is the
constant discouragement from learning and professional development from
certain members of this list.  It is so important for any tech writer to
learn about structured content, and I do not think I am any smarter than
anyone else just because I have expertise in structure. The only difference
with me is that I just spent the last five years being interested in it, and
I would like others to be interested in it as well. And that excuse about
"not having time" is really quite worn out. If you work in the tech industry
and don't have time to learn, your fate is sealed.

And by the way, HTML is a perfect example of fully structured content, and
the web is a good example of the miracles that are possible with it. Thanks
for bringing that up.




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RE: Reasons to structure

[Gordon McLean]

I'm on the FM-DITA mailing list Art, and was invovled about a year or two
ago when it was just starting out. 

I still keep on top of things, but in my last place we switched to AuthorIT
as it meet our needs. My current position already has a structured
FrameMaker setup, so I've missed the chance to 'learn it hands on'. 

I'm not against structured FrameMaker, but, and I said this in the early
DITA days as well, it's a bit daunting for some people and would benefit
from a simple way to 'get into it'. I agree that DITA is probably that very
way.

G 

-Original Message-

You may want to look over, and play with, the FM DITA plug in. It's a
structured tool, obviously, but seems to be a rationally usable tool rather
than an entire philosophy.

Art

On 2/15/07, Gordon McLean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "If you work in the tech industry and don't have time to learn, your 
> fate is sealed."
>
> I know what you are saying, but you are presuming that learning how to 
> use a technology is more important than learning whether or not that 
> technology is cost-effective to me in my current situation.
>
> On top of that, at the moment and to a lot of people, structured 
> FrameMaker talks the talk but -heavens to betsy- the walk looks like a
complicated one.
> When the walk is a little easier, I'll start to learn the steps. Just 
> as I did with HTML, then CSS.
>
> There is a brewing thought in here about Tipping Points but time 
> marches on..
>



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RE: Reasons to structure

[Gordon McLean]

"If you work in the tech industry and don't have time to learn, your fate is
sealed."

I know what you are saying, but you are presuming that learning how to use a
technology is more important than learning whether or not that technology is
cost-effective to me in my current situation.

On top of that, at the moment and to a lot of people, structured FrameMaker
talks the talk but -heavens to betsy- the walk looks like a complicated one.
When the walk is a little easier, I'll start to learn the steps. Just as I
did with HTML, then CSS. 

There is a brewing thought in here about Tipping Points but time marches
on..

So, that's what I have learned about structured FrameMaker, but then I tend
to let the early adopters do all the work and then swoop in later on. ;-)

G


-Original Message-
Jeremy, I don't think that is harsh at all. What I think is harsh is the
constant discouragement from learning and professional development from
certain members of this list.  It is so important for any tech writer to
learn about structured content, and I do not think I am any smarter than
anyone else just because I have expertise in structure. The only difference
with me is that I just spent the last five years being interested in it, and
I would like others to be interested in it as well. And that excuse about
"not having time" is really quite worn out. If you work in the tech industry
and don't have time to learn, your fate is sealed.

And by the way, HTML is a perfect example of fully structured content, and
the web is a good example of the miracles that are possible with it. Thanks
for bringing that up.
 



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Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

[Gordon McLean]

Problem solved.

Solution: I am an idiot.

The RestoreWindows plugin was turning on element boundaries everytime I
opened the file. Like I asked it to...

I've left your suggestions in this reply Peter, as they are exactly what I
WAS doing and should help anyone without the RestoreWindows plugin
installed.

Thanks to all for their responses. My new brain arrives on Friday.

Gordon


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Subject: Re: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

Hi, Gordon:

It sounds as if you're not saving the files in the state you want them to
open in. The display of element boundaries and tags, as well as text
symbols, and borders, and zoom percentage, are all saved with files. A quick
way to manipulate multiple files is to use Shift+File. When used from a book
window, the Open All, Save All, Close All, actions only work on book files;
when used from a non-book window, the Save All and Close all work on all
open files, book members or free-standing.




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RE: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

[Gordon McLean]

Problem solved.

Solution: I am an idiot.

The RestoreWindows plugin was turning on element boundaries everytime I
opened the file. Like I asked it to...

I've left your suggestions in this reply Peter, as they are exactly what I
WAS doing and should help anyone without the RestoreWindows plugin
installed.

Thanks to all for their responses. My new brain arrives on Friday.

Gordon
 

-Original Message-
Subject: Re: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

Hi, Gordon:

It sounds as if you're not saving the files in the state you want them to
open in. The display of element boundaries and tags, as well as text
symbols, and borders, and zoom percentage, are all saved with files. A quick
way to manipulate multiple files is to use Shift+File. When used from a book
window, the Open All, Save All, Close All, actions only work on book files;
when used from a non-book window, the Save All and Close all work on all
open files, book members or free-standing.




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Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

[Gordon McLean]

Yes Peter, and if I keep the files open I can generate a PDF without the
boundaries showing.

But if I hide the boundaries, close the file, and re-open it, the boundaries
re-appear after a brief (flicker) delay.

Same goes if I hide boundaries at the book level. Opening the file itself
causes the boundaries to re-appear.

I have the workaround of leaving the files open but:
A. This shouldn't be happening, should it?
B. I don't recall changing anything so why is this happening now?
C. This SHOULDN'T be happening!

G

-Original Message-
From: Peter Gold [mailto:pe...@knowhowpro.com] 
Sent: 06 February 2007 15:24
To: Gordon McLean
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

Hi, Gordon:

Have you tried opening all the files in the book, then applying View > Hide
Element Boundaries, before generating the PDF?

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Gordon McLean wrote:
> Hi all,
>  
> Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to 
> turn off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??
>  
> The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like 
> them. How do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?
>  
> I've tried selecting all the files in the book and selecting the 
> relevant VIEW menu, but when I go back into the book and open a file, 
> the boundaries re-appear!
>  
> Any suggestions?
>  
> Gordon
>   





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Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

[Gordon McLean]

Hi all,

Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to turn
off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??

The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like them. How
do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?

I've tried selecting all the files in the book and selecting the relevant
VIEW menu, but when I go back into the book and open a file, the boundaries
re-appear! 

Any suggestions?

Gordon

Technical Author
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RE: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

[Gordon McLean]

Yes Peter, and if I keep the files open I can generate a PDF without the
boundaries showing.

But if I hide the boundaries, close the file, and re-open it, the boundaries
re-appear after a brief (flicker) delay.

Same goes if I hide boundaries at the book level. Opening the file itself
causes the boundaries to re-appear.

I have the workaround of leaving the files open but:
A. This shouldn't be happening, should it?
B. I don't recall changing anything so why is this happening now?
C. This SHOULDN'T be happening!

G

-Original Message-
From: Peter Gold [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 06 February 2007 15:24
To: Gordon McLean
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

Hi, Gordon:

Have you tried opening all the files in the book, then applying View > Hide
Element Boundaries, before generating the PDF?

HTH

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Gordon McLean wrote:
> Hi all,
>  
> Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to 
> turn off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??
>  
> The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like 
> them. How do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?
>  
> I've tried selecting all the files in the book and selecting the 
> relevant VIEW menu, but when I go back into the book and open a file, 
> the boundaries re-appear!
>  
> Any suggestions?
>  
> Gordon
>   





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Auto Hide Element Boundaries?

[Gordon McLean]

Hi all,
 
Still finding my feet with Structured Framemaker.. is there a way to turn
off Element Boundaries when generating a PDF (save as PDF option)??
 
The boundaries are great to work with but my reviewers don't like them. How
do I get rid of them across an entire book before PDFing?
 
I've tried selecting all the files in the book and selecting the relevant
VIEW menu, but when I go back into the book and open a file, the boundaries
re-appear! 
 
Any suggestions?
 
Gordon
 
Technical Author
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Harvesting and Comparing Screenshots for use in FM

[Gordon McLean]

What tools do your test team use?

For the harvesting side of things, would they be able to add a step into
their automated test scripts, something that bashed the PrintScreen button?

Just an idea.

No clue how you'd run a DIFF on an image file relating to the content of an
image. Would imagine that may be a specialist (expensive) app, but very
willing to be proven wrong.

Gordon McLean


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From: owner-framers at omsys.com [mailto:owner-fram...@omsys.com] On Behalf Of
Elks, Loren
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:10 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: Harvesting and Comparing Screenshots for use in FM

Hi:

We are a software company.  Our product (Dialogue) is very expansive with
lots of menus, dialog boxes, etc in the GUI.  We use unstructured FM 7.2.

Every time we have a new release, undoubtedly some (or many) of the
software's menus and dialog boxes change due to enhancements.  This requires
us to identify these changes (somehow) and re-do any screenshots in our
documentation and training materials.

Is anyone aware of a tool that can go through an application and harvest
screenshots of all menus and dialog boxes?  Then, would it be able to
compare screenshots of the last version to indicate where changes have
occurred on the GUI?

Any suggestions or resources would be appreciated.




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RE: Harvesting and Comparing Screenshots for use in FM

[Gordon McLean]

What tools do your test team use?

For the harvesting side of things, would they be able to add a step into
their automated test scripts, something that bashed the PrintScreen button?

Just an idea.

No clue how you'd run a DIFF on an image file relating to the content of an
image. Would imagine that may be a specialist (expensive) app, but very
willing to be proven wrong.

Gordon McLean


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Elks, Loren
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 8:10 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Harvesting and Comparing Screenshots for use in FM

Hi:

We are a software company.  Our product (Dialogue) is very expansive with
lots of menus, dialog boxes, etc in the GUI.  We use unstructured FM 7.2.

Every time we have a new release, undoubtedly some (or many) of the
software's menus and dialog boxes change due to enhancements.  This requires
us to identify these changes (somehow) and re-do any screenshots in our
documentation and training materials.

Is anyone aware of a tool that can go through an application and harvest
screenshots of all menus and dialog boxes?  Then, would it be able to
compare screenshots of the last version to indicate where changes have
occurred on the GUI?

Any suggestions or resources would be appreciated.




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Disk vs memory

[Gordon McLean]

Depends how you have things set up.

If you have been working from the network, and selected for FrameMaker to
create a backup file, I'm afraid the default is to place the backup file in
the working directory (right next to each other, it's daft!).

I don't think FrameMaker keeps a local cache on the client machine I'm
afraid..

Sorry. I hope someone else has a more encouraging answer for you.

*heads off to commit changes to SVN!*

Gordon 

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Sent: 30 January 2007 15:56
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Subject: Disk vs memory

All,

My associate and I have just discovered that all our work in FrameMaker
yesterday is likely lost. The network people were updating servers yesterday
and unknowingly lost our files and probably others. Can anyone tell if and
where I can find those files on our C drives, which I assume is the "disk"
referred to in Frame doc?

I recall and find references in Frame doc to the interaction between
computer memory and disk, which suggests that copies of all saves are stored
on C. But I find no information identifying a location on the disk that
files are saved to.  A search of C for the .fm files didn't turn up the
targets.

Tips are welcome--the sooner the better.

Thanks,
Mike


Mike Long
Team Leader, User Documentation
Thomson Medstat




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RE: Disk vs memory

[Gordon McLean]

Depends how you have things set up.

If you have been working from the network, and selected for FrameMaker to
create a backup file, I'm afraid the default is to place the backup file in
the working directory (right next to each other, it's daft!).

I don't think FrameMaker keeps a local cache on the client machine I'm
afraid..

Sorry. I hope someone else has a more encouraging answer for you.

*heads off to commit changes to SVN!*

Gordon 

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Subject: Disk vs memory

All,
 
My associate and I have just discovered that all our work in FrameMaker
yesterday is likely lost. The network people were updating servers yesterday
and unknowingly lost our files and probably others. Can anyone tell if and
where I can find those files on our C drives, which I assume is the "disk"
referred to in Frame doc?
 
I recall and find references in Frame doc to the interaction between
computer memory and disk, which suggests that copies of all saves are stored
on C. But I find no information identifying a location on the disk that
files are saved to.  A search of C for the .fm files didn't turn up the
targets.
 
Tips are welcome--the sooner the better.
 
Thanks,
Mike


Mike Long
Team Leader, User Documentation
Thomson Medstat




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FrameMaker and read-only files

[Gordon McLean]

Hello all,



We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly
working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a
locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but
FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try and
save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an hour or
two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal.



What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to
'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal
locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being edited by
others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files.



My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, whether
a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at all but a
'nuance' of Tortoise?



Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but
very much in the 'annoyance' category!



Thanks in advance,



Gordon McLean



Technical Author

Graham Technology



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FrameMaker and read-only files

[Gordon McLean]

Hello all,

 

We are using Tortoise SVN to version control our FM files. It's mainly
working fine but we are having problems getting FrameMaker to detect a
locked file. You can set files to be locked when you edit them, but
FrameMaker doesn't seem to pay any attention to the lock UNTIL you try and
save the file. So you could open a locked file, work on it for an hour or
two and only be notified when you try and save it. Not ideal.

 

What we think is happening is that the file being locked is set to
'read-only', but FrameMaker isn't detecting that, as it has an internal
locking mechanism which looking for files that are currently being edited by
others. So it seems to be ignoring the read-only files.

 

My question is: Is there anyway to get FrameMaker to flag, ON OPEN, whether
a file is read-only or not. Or is this not a FrameMaker issue at all but a
'nuance' of Tortoise?

 

Any and all suggestions gratefully welcomed. This isn't a showstopper but
very much in the 'annoyance' category!

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Gordon McLean

 

Technical Author

Graham Technology



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Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2

[Gordon McLean]

The only problem comes if they edit enough to change the page numbers (which
will screw up cross references). If it's only very minor changes (say form
fields or UI element names?) then they might get away with just editing and
saving the RTF. No 'republishing' required.

Alternatively you are probably looking at something clever with XML, XSLT
(?) and some sort of engine that they can use to rebuild things... be
quicker asking them to buy a copy of FrameMaker to be honest.

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Sent: 09 January 2007 05:46
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2



   Hi:

   My current client wants me to provide them with output from the Frame
guide
   I created for them in a format they can edit, not using Frame. Then they
   want to be able to re-publish these files (again, not using Frame) and
have
   them look the same way they looked when I created them in Frame.

   I am an experienced Frame user but not a guru and I doubt that what they
   want is possible.

   I know I can save Frame files as html, xml, text, or rtf and edit them.
But
   I doubt that I can republish them and have them look like they did in
Frame
   without using Frame

   Thoughts?
   Greg Thompson
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RE: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2

[Gordon McLean]

The only problem comes if they edit enough to change the page numbers (which
will screw up cross references). If it's only very minor changes (say form
fields or UI element names?) then they might get away with just editing and
saving the RTF. No 'republishing' required.

Alternatively you are probably looking at something clever with XML, XSLT
(?) and some sort of engine that they can use to rebuild things... be
quicker asking them to buy a copy of FrameMaker to be honest.

Gordon McLean
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Sent: 09 January 2007 05:46
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Subject: Looking for an editable output from Frame 7.2



   Hi:

   My current client wants me to provide them with output from the Frame
guide
   I created for them in a format they can edit, not using Frame. Then they
   want to be able to re-publish these files (again, not using Frame) and
have
   them look the same way they looked when I created them in Frame.

   I am an experienced Frame user but not a guru and I doubt that what they
   want is possible.

   I know I can save Frame files as html, xml, text, or rtf and edit them.
But
   I doubt that I can republish them and have them look like they did in
Frame
   without using Frame

   Thoughts?
   Greg Thompson
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